Schoolyard Taunting

[timesjoke]

First off, I like Mark Steyn's DIABLO (Democrat In All But Label Only) over RINO, but that said, TJ still won't address the fact that since the reality of conservative candidates winning anything, as we all know that 2006 and 2008 were going to happen know matter what, that it's people like him that lost New York 23, by voting for Skozzavava over Hoffman because the RNC said that she was most likely to win, but when presented with a real conservative, and if he were backed from the beginning the real conservatives would have elected him, but the TJ's (sellouts) of the world put a Democrat in that seat for the first time in over a quarter century.

 

You guys spend a lot of time talking about stalin and new york but you can't live in the past, the future is formed by today and if you refuse to support what few conservative values we have access to then it will only get worse. You guys have the all or nothing attitude, and your getting nothing.

 

 

 

 

RO, I did not read your post, I saw where you resoreted to flames calling me a chind and simply tuned you out, if you want to be a reasonable man and leave your flames out of the conversation I will gladly debate any topic with you but your taking everything as personal like I am hurting you or something. It is only a discussion, people are not good or evil just because they agree or do not agree on a specific point. In this we do not agree, I believe any conservative values are better than no conservative values, you IWS and hugo believe in an all or nothing attitude, and you have been rewarded with nothing.

 

 

 

I voted for the conservative who could win, I have nothing to be ashamed of, but anyone who did not vote for McCain but is vocally conservative should be ashamed because this healthcare bill was made possible by people like you. Being as this one is pure flames I will again be the bigger man and leave this conversation as well, I see no point in getting mad while talking about things, it does not solve anything.

[timesjoke]

Why did you edit out my reply to your flame of me RO?

 

your gross inequities as a man

 

Why do you feel it necessary to flame someone in the process of a debate your losing? I just do not understand why you act this way but I will be the bigger man and not return your flames, I point them out though to show how it is not me who is starting stuff.

 

Funny as hell that you have to censor out my reply though, lol.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

I'm starting to become of the opinion that the RINO choice we had on the losing ticket the last election was the best thing that could have happened. Losing the last election, and then electing a 41st RINO afterward, to retain some type of control in the senate, was almost perfect for true conservatives.

 

Losing the election, but retaining some control, showed the people how power hungry the democrats and liberals are. The American people will mandate that healthcare be repealed, and the more they vote for true reform in Washington, the more we can do to get back to a constitutional republic and independent states. We will be able to get all the crap entitlements repealed and a fair tax implemented. We will be able to pay down the national debt and return to a truly powerful people.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

If it weren't for the horrors and utter failures of a Jimmy Carter, it's unlikely the American people would have ever elected a Ronald Reagan.

 

barka hussein bam bam will bring about the next Ronny Reagan.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

First off, I like Mark Steyn's DIABLO (Democrat In All But Label Only) over RINO, but that said, TJ still won't address the fact that since the reality of conservative candidates winning anything, as we all know that 2006 and 2008 were going to happen know matter what, that it's people like him that lost New York 23, by voting for Skozzavava over Hoffman because the RNC said that she was most likely to win, but when presented with a real conservative, and if he were backed from the beginning the real conservatives would have elected him, but the TJ's (sellouts) of the world put a Democrat in that seat for the first time in over a quarter century.

 

You're exactly right. Sellouts lost the election in NY and they cost Ron Paul the election when barka was elected. Letting barka get elected was probably a good thing though.

 

 

DIABLO... that is good.

 

You guys spend a lot of time talking about stalin and new york but you can't live in the past, the future is formed by today and if you refuse to support what few conservative values we have access to then it will only get worse. You guys have the all or nothing attitude, and your getting nothing.

 

 

 

 

RO, I did not read your post, I saw where you resoreted to flames calling me a chind and simply tuned you out, if you want to be a reasonable man and leave your flames out of the conversation I will gladly debate any topic with you but your taking everything as personal like I am hurting you or something. It is only a discussion, people are not good or evil just because they agree or do not agree on a specific point. In this we do not agree, I believe any conservative values are better than no conservative values, you IWS and hugo believe in an all or nothing attitude, and you have been rewarded with nothing.

 

 

 

I voted for the conservative who could win, I have nothing to be ashamed of, but anyone who did not vote for McCain but is vocally conservative should be ashamed because this healthcare bill was made possible by people like you. Being as this one is pure flames I will again be the bigger man and leave this conversation as well, I see no point in getting mad while talking about things, it does not solve anything.

 

You are talking in circles again. You're refusing to see it from another viewpoint. You really sounds like a broken record. You are actually the one that caused the health bill to be passed. The 'sellout' crowd that will vote for the "most likely to win" instead of sticking to your guns. Vote for McCain (Dubya's last 2 year clone) instead of voting for a conservative candidate. I like Palin's social policies, I haven't made a determination on her fiscal policies as I don't have enough information thus far, but even voting for her would have been a vote for McCain, who I did not want in office. I would have rather had him than barka, but... I think that barka getting in may have been the best thing, as now the people realize how screwed up he and his party are.

[RoyalOrleans]

Why did you edit out my reply to your flame of me RO?

 

 

 

Why do you feel it necessary to flame someone in the process of a debate your losing? I just do not understand why you act this way but I will be the bigger man and not return your flames, I point them out though to show how it is not me who is starting stuff.

 

Funny as hell that you have to censor out my reply though, lol.

 

I apologized for accidentally deleting your response. What more do you want? A kidney?

 

Now can you try to stay on topic, TJ?

 

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At any rate...

[RoyalOrleans]

I'm starting to become of the opinion that the RINO choice we had on the losing ticket the last election was the best thing that could have happened. Losing the last election, and then electing a 41st RINO afterward, to retain some type of control in the senate, was almost perfect for true conservatives.

 

Losing the election, but retaining some control, showed the people how power hungry the democrats and liberals are. The American people will mandate that healthcare be repealed, and the more they vote for true reform in Washington, the more we can do to get back to a constitutional republic and independent states. We will be able to get all the crap entitlements repealed and a fair tax implemented. We will be able to pay down the national debt and return to a truly powerful people.

 

I don't doubt that this could be a great move for the real "conservatives" out there (the Goldwaters and the Reagans). Socialism in this country needed to be exposed for the insane evil that it really is and voted to a minority at best.

 

There is not a doubt in my mind that the GOP will gain control of Congress and the Senate. The nation will be watching and they better not screw it up again!

[timesjoke]

 

You are talking in circles again. You're refusing to see it from another viewpoint. You really sounds like a broken record. You are actually the one that caused the health bill to be passed. The 'sellout' crowd that will vote for the "most likely to win" instead of sticking to your guns. Vote for McCain (Dubya's last 2 year clone) instead of voting for a conservative candidate. I like Palin's social policies, I haven't made a determination on her fiscal policies as I don't have enough information thus far, but even voting for her would have been a vote for McCain, who I did not want in office. I would have rather had him than barka, but... I think that barka getting in may have been the best thing, as now the people realize how screwed up he and his party are.

But the "best thing" as you call it is a new entitlement program that cannot be removed now.

 

That is my point, by refusing to support the only conservative who could win an election, your simply helping the liberals who do not splinter off.

 

 

Trying to say I caused this is silly, there was nobody else to vote for. There was not one "more conservative" canidate who was well known enough to win on a National ticket. I have voted for many independent canidates who were more conservative then the running Republican on local elections because they can get enough exposure to let the people know who they are. They have a chance to get elected so I support them. But, on a National election, if they are unknown, they have no possible way to get elected. Ron Paul was basically running "like" an independent where he was vocally against his own party but even he was relatively unknown and only showed around a 10% recognition rate for likely voters, you can't win an election when 90% of the voters don't know what your possitions are.

 

 

What I am talking about is reality, I can accept reality and vote based on my understand of that cold, hard, truth. I will not bury my head in the sand and pretend there is another reality.

 

 

The fact is, only one of two people can win (right now). Maybe one day there will be other possibilities but unless the liberals splinter off like the conservatives are doing now, I don't see the payoff to stop supporting the only conservative who can win. Division makes us weak and them strong, it is like we are falling for their game, I know they are happy as hell we are divided, too bad so many normally conservative minded people are so stuck on their "purity" that they are forgetting the real threat to America....the liberals like Obama who are mad stronger by our division.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Is there an echo in here?

[timesjoke]

The Republicans will win a majority but I doubt they will gain enough power to change anything with a hard liberal President there tossing the veto around.

 

If we did not just get a new entitlement passed because of the last election I might agree with you guys that it was good but this is something we cannot eliminate, this is like social security and welfare, and Obama gets to go down in history as the guy who put this new entitlement into place, that is all he wanted to do. With all the attempts by liberals in the past who tried to get something similar passed, Obama actually made it happen, I cannot call this a good thing no matter how I look at it.

[timesjoke]

Is there an echo in here?

Lots of echos, from many sources

[RegisteredAndEducated]

The Republicans will win a majority but I doubt they will gain enough power to change anything with a hard liberal President there tossing the veto around.

 

If we did not just get a new entitlement passed because of the last election I might agree with you guys that it was good but this is something we cannot eliminate, this is like social security and welfare, and Obama gets to go down in history as the guy who put this new entitlement into place, that is all he wanted to do. With all the attempts by liberals in the past who tried to get something similar passed, Obama actually made it happen, I cannot call this a good thing no matter how I look at it.

 

 

This is where you're wrong. This CAN be eliminated. I have no doubt that it WILL be eliminated. If not in the Legislative branch, then in the Judicial. I'm guessing that it will be repealed as well, and all traces will be destroyed.

[timesjoke]

This is where you're wrong. This CAN be eliminated. I have no doubt that it WILL be eliminated. If not in the Legislative branch, then in the Judicial. I'm guessing that it will be repealed as well, and all traces will be destroyed.

 

Once an entitlement gets rooted, it will not be removed. Social security is doomed to failure but nobody is willing to lay a hand on it from fear of the political backlash.

 

Who do you think will remove it? Do you think Obama will sign anything that will remove it? No, so that means we need enough power in congress to act without the President, and we will not gain that many seats. The only chance I see for stopping this is in the courts.

 

 

If you see another possibility please teach me with some specifics because I just don't see it.

[Chi]

 

 

 

 

 

That was a good dodge of the point, I did not say a single bad thing about Chi, not one. I was showing her respect for supporting those who believe what she believes and I see no real fault for a liberal to help a fellow liberal get elected. My point was that while a liberal helping a liberal is expected, it is not expected for a vocal conservative like you and hugo to support the liberal as well.

 

 

 

 

 

For the billionth time, I'm not an f-ing liberal! Nor a Democrat nor any of those boxes some of you like putting yourselves in when it comes to politics!

[timesjoke]

For the billionth time, I'm not an f-ing liberal! Nor a Democrat nor any of those boxes some of you like putting yourselves in when it comes to politics!

 

I am not trying to be insulting, we all tend to lean one way or ther other, what I do remember is your being very supportive of Obama before the election and supporting most of his possitions so based on your own words you were 'mostly' liberal anyway.

 

 

My point was that you were simply supporting what you believed in, nothing wrong with that, you made your choice and truly believed you were doing the right thing. The other guys who talk about being conservative but not support a conservative who can win the election seems to be a contradiction in my mind.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Once an entitlement gets rooted, it will not be removed. Social security is doomed to failure but nobody is willing to lay a hand on it from fear of the political backlash.

 

Who do you think will remove it? Do you think Obama will sign anything that will remove it? No, so that means we need enough power in congress to act without the President, and we will not gain that many seats. The only chance I see for stopping this is in the courts.

 

 

If you see another possibility please teach me with some specifics because I just don't see it.

 

obama only has 2 years left as president. it's supposed to take a min of 4 years for this to take effect...

[Chi]

I am not trying to be insulting, we all tend to lean one way or ther other, what I do remember is your being very supportive of Obama before the election and supporting most of his possitions so based on your own words you were 'mostly' liberal anyway.

 

 

My point was that you were simply supporting what you believed in, nothing wrong with that, you made your choice and truly believed you were doing the right thing. The other guys who talk about being conservative but not support a conservative who can win the election seems to be a contradiction in my mind.

 

And I was supportive of Bush and his war at the time (not any more.) Anyways, just because one leans to more so-called liberal views, doesn't mean they should lean towards EVERYTHING liberal, conservative, etc. That would just be blind, sheepish and stupid. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with what you are accussing RO, Hugo and whoever else of doing, they have every right (and sense) to.

[timesjoke]

obama only has 2 years left as president. it's supposed to take a min of 4 years for this to take effect...

 

True, but the more time that goes by the less likely it will be completely eliminated. I am just talking form how things tend to be, I would be very glad to see this be the exception to the rule.

 

 

 

And I was supportive of Bush and his war at the time (not any more.) Anyways, just because one leans to more so-called liberal views, doesn't mean they should lean towards EVERYTHING liberal, conservative, etc. That would just be blind, sheepish and stupid. Therefore, I see nothing wrong with what you are accussing RO, Hugo and whoever else of doing, they have every right (and sense) to.

My point was consistency and hypocrisy.

 

You were consistent and was fully supportive of Obama and all he represented the entire time. You were true to the values you were vocal about, I respect you for that even if I do not agree with your choices.

 

Other people chatter constantly about wanting conservative values to come back but fail to support the only conservative who can win the election, that to me is inconsistent because you have to start somewhere, you can't expect to get everything you want the first time around, the idea is to encourage conservative minded people to run for office.

 

 

I would have voted for Sarah Palin just to piss off the liberals, they seem so completely scared of a conservative woman who is successful and did not have to look like a smashed mushroom or give up being a woman to gain her success. The disruption Palin caused alone would have blocked pretty much everything the liberals tried to do.

[snafu]

Again the GOP picked McCain because he was a centrlist. Ron Paul was too conservative for the change America was clambering for. Everybody had enough of the Bush era. Sure did come to bite them in the ass later though

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Again the GOP picked McCain because he was a centrlist. Ron Paul was too conservative for the change America was clambering for. Everybody had enough of the Bush era. Sure did come to bite them in the ass later though

 

The problem is, McCain is exactly like Dubya was during his last 2 years... Centrist/left leaning. That's what America had enough with, they just didn't realize it. So they voted in somebody who was totally left. The exact opposite of what we needed.

[hugo]

The fact is every sane person who went to the polls knew that Obama would win the Presidency. Every sane person who went to the polls in Texas knew that McCain would carry Texas, Knowing this any sane person would vote for the man they thought was best. To vote for McCain says you approved a farther left GW with a bimbo communist running mate. The fact is if GW and many Republicans had not pushed through the expansion of Medicare Obamacare would not have happened. It was Floridians and other idiots that got Obama elected.

 

Yes, we have Obamacare thanks to conservatives like TJ who vote for socialists.

[timesjoke]

The fact is every sane person who went to the polls knew that Obama would win the Presidency. Every sane person who went to the polls in Texas knew that McCain would carry Texas, Knowing this any sane person would vote for the man they thought was best. To vote for McCain says you approved a farther left GW with a bimbo communist running mate. The fact is if GW and many Republicans had not pushed through the expansion of Medicare Obamacare would not have happened. It was Floridians and other idiots that got Obama elected.

 

Every sane person who followed college football in 2007 knew the Michigan Wolverines were going to win their game against the barely known Appalachian St. Mountaineers. The Wolverines were ranked number 5 in the nation and were considered the drop down favorite to win the Big Ten championship and go to the National championship game. The tiny school from Boon NC pulled off what is considered by most the biggest upset in recent history in the college football world. The Wolverines even had a chance to save the game in a last few seconds field goal attempt and guess what, the Mountaineers blocked it winning 34 to 32.

 

 

They won because they never believed they were beaten before the game was played.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, we have Obamacare thanks to conservatives like TJ who vote for socialists.

My vote was cast for the only conservative on the ticket, yours was not.

 

 

Nobody will ever deprive the American people of the right to vote except the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

In my opinion wasting your vote on someone who is not even in the running is the same thing as not voting at all.

[ImWithStupid]

My vote was cast for the only conservative on the ticket, yours was not.

 

 

You voted for either Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr?

 

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/candidate/CanList.asp

[RoyalOrleans]

You voted for either Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr?

 

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/candidate/CanList.asp

 

Silly IWS! Conservatives have an "R" next to their name!

 

(sarcastic guffaw and knee slap)

[RoyalOrleans]

Every sane person who followed college football in 2007 knew the Michigan Wolverines were going to win their game against the barely known Appalachian St. Mountaineers. The Wolverines were ranked number 5 in the nation and were considered the drop down favorite to win the Big Ten championship and go to the National championship game. The tiny school from Boon NC pulled off what is considered by most the biggest upset in recent history in the college football world. The Wolverines even had a chance to save the game in a last few seconds field goal attempt and guess what, the Mountaineers blocked it winning 34 to 32.

 

They won because they never believed they were beaten before the game was played.

 

What has that got to do with voting for principle versus voting on party lines?

 

You assume that everyone in politics is playing for different teams, but the left-right paradigm is the only thing transparent in Washington. They all play for the same team. The team serves their own interests and hinders growth rather than to heal the wrongs of previous despots.

 

As far as Obamacare is concerned, the Republicans overwhelmingly voted against the bill. The luke-warm, centrist Republicans only voted against the bill because of the upcoming elections.

 

Laws are no longer made by a rational process of public discussion; they are made by a process of blackmail and intimidation, and they are executed in the same manner. The typical lawmaker of today is a man wholly devoid of principle — a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him, he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology or cannibalism. - H.L. Mencken

 

 

 

My vote was cast for the only conservative on the ticket, yours was not.

 

 

Nobody will ever deprive the American people of the right to vote except the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

In my opinion wasting your vote on someone who is not even in the running is the same thing as not voting at all.

 

 

If he became convinced tomorrow that coming out for cannibalism would get him the votes he needs so sorely, he would begin fattening a missionary in the White House yard come Wednesday. - H.L. Mencken referring to Franklin D. Roosevelt.

 

FDR has the unique distinction of making a bad situation worse during his own presidency. By turning what should have been an ordinary fractional reserve banking recession into the worsened and prolonged Great Depression. And at the same time laying the foundation for the continuation of the bad situation through establishing the ever expanding Welfare State.

 

That said, FDR's quote might pertain to the discussion. Yet... I wouldn't quote him if you are trying to argue the conservative vs. liberal paradigm.