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[hugo]

S.C. politician blasted for welfare remarks - More politics- msnbc.com

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Hmm... I can see both sides. Of course he's right, but he does sound like an ass saying it that way..

 

I say I need to move to South Carolina...

[timesjoke]

Bauer said Monday that he regrets his choice of words but that government should expect welfare recipients to try to better themselves. He wants to require them to take drug tests and attend parent-teacher conferences if they have children in school.

 

A child of divorce who benefited from free lunches himself, Bauer insisted he wasn't bad-mouthing people laid off from work in the recession or advocating taking food from children, but rather emphasizing the need to break the cycle of dependency.

 

"Do I wish I'd used a different metaphor? Of course I do," the 40-year-old said. "I didn't intend to offend anyone."

 

Well he backed off it a little bit. And he benefitted from welfare programs too so his message is a tad confusing to be honest. If he turned out okay and a great member of society after getting help, why is he saying that same help sould be witheld from other people?

 

I don't really have an issue with helping people, I just don't want the Federal Government running it. Their rules and buracracy ensures that massive amounts of money will be wasted, people who deserve help will not get it, while people who do not deserve help will get it.

 

 

Comminities should be running welfare, not Federal Governments. Comminities know if your just a bumb or a good person just in a bad situation.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Well he backed off it a little bit. And he benefitted from welfare programs too so his message is a tad confusing to be honest. If he turned out okay and a great member of society after getting help, why is he saying that same help sould be witheld from other people?

 

I don't really have an issue with helping people, I just don't want the Federal Government running it. Their rules and buracracy ensures that massive amounts of money will be wasted, people who deserve help will not get it, while people who do not deserve help will get it.

 

 

Comminities should be running welfare, not Federal Governments. Comminities know if your just a bumb or a good person just in a bad situation.

 

His message to me seems to be, stop paying welfare to people on drugs and people who don't try to help themselves.

[timesjoke]

His message to me seems to be, stop paying welfare to people on drugs and people who don't try to help themselves.

 

Well that is what he changed it to anyway, lol.

 

The problem is not what he says, but how to impliment it. How do we distinguish between the bum who is not trying to help himself and the guy who lost his job because Government regulation drove his job to another Country?

 

I have supported drug testing for anyone on welfare and other Government assistence for over 20 years, that is not really a new idea.

 

 

 

I guess it is easy to say you do not want to give money to bums but hard to actually turn that into a Government policy, the government machine will always screw it all up, that is why I don't want the Federal Government involved in it at all.

 

 

 

 

But, again look at this guy hugo calles a great conservative, this guy is not saying eliminate welfare, he just wants to eliminate welfare for the "wrong" kind of person, welfare is great as long as the people "he" approves of get that welfare...........including himself when he was a child.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Well that is what he changed it to anyway, lol.

 

The problem is not what he says, but how to impliment it. How do we distinguish between the bum who is not trying to help himself and the guy who lost his job because Government regulation drove his job to another Country?

 

I have supported drug testing for anyone on welfare and other Government assistence for over 20 years, that is not really a new idea.

 

 

 

I guess it is easy to say you do not want to give money to bums but hard to actually turn that into a Government policy, the government machine will always screw it all up, that is why I don't want the Federal Government involved in it at all.

 

 

 

 

But, again look at this guy hugo calles a great conservative, this guy is not saying eliminate welfare, he just wants to eliminate welfare for the "wrong" kind of person, welfare is great as long as the people "he" approves of get that welfare...........including himself when he was a child.

 

The difference is, it appears the his family got off of any kind of welfare, and he is in the running to become a state governor... Sounds like they used it as a stepping stone to move through the hard times.

 

Looks like a great conservative indeed.

[timesjoke]

The difference is, it appears the his family got off of any kind of welfare, and he is in the running to become a state governor... Sounds like they used it as a stepping stone to move through the hard times.

 

Looks like a great conservative indeed.

 

But before they got off welfare.....they were 'on' welfare, lol.

 

 

To understand my point you have to know that hugo does not allow any consideration for welfare in any way, he first posted that link believing this guy was a 'no welfare' guy who opposed any kind of "socialist" program but in fact this guy does support welfare programs, is a product of welfare, and is a success story for welfare.

 

 

He wants welfare reform, severe reform sure, and I fully support those reforms to be honest. And I also agree that this guy is a good conservative and someone I would vote for.

 

 

 

But.....he still wants there to be welfare programs, and based on that fact, he is a "socialist" based on hugo's definition of a socialist previously given to include any policy that gives away "free money".

 

 

 

I also believe we need "some" forms of welfare, but limited and not in the Federal Government's hands.