timesjoke Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 Woman Charged for Squirting Breast Milk at Deputy - Incredible Health - FOXNews.com A Kentucky woman was charged with assault after she allegedly squirted breast milk into the face of a deputy, sparking online debate Sunday in the local media. Toni Tramel, 31, was arrested Thursday for public intoxication in Owensboro, WYMT-TV reported, but it is what she did next which has attracted headlines. As Tramel changed into an inmate uniform, she squirted a stream of breast milk into the face of the female deputy watching over her. A press release from the Daviess County, Kentucky, Detention Center, said that after the deputy decontaminated herself from the "bio-hazard", Tramel was charged with third degree assault. While the public drunkenness was merely a misdemeanor offense, the assault is a felony charge and a US$10,000 bond was set. Reports of the case have sparked debates about whether using breast milk as a weapon should constitute a felony assault case, with many readers likening it to an accused person spitting on an officer. Also sparking feedback has been the use of the term "bio-hazard" to describe breast milk. So how about it? Should the woman face felony charges for this or not? Is it the same thing as spitting on an officer? And emkay, what the heck were you doing in Kentucky? Quote
emkay64 Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 I would hardly call breast milk a biohazard...but...how bizarre and kudos for her aim. I may charge her with drunk and disorderly...but a felony for a squirt of boob juice..nawww. Spit and blood are disgusting and should be treated according. Now that I think of it I could go either way. I could take or leave the breast milk That being said...TJ...I have representatives everywhere. No one is safe. Quote
timesjoke Posted March 9, 2010 Author Posted March 9, 2010 I would hardly call breast milk a biohazard...but...how bizarre and kudos for her aim. I may charge her with drunk and disorderly...but a felony for a squirt of boob juice..nawww. Spit and blood are disgusting and should be treated according. Did you know many diseases and even HIV can be passed through breast milk? Now that I think of it I could go either way. I could take or leave the breast milk So your up for the wet nurse fantasy? Sweet That being said...TJ...I have representatives everywhere. No one is safe. I am starting to get the picture Quote
ren Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 Now that I think of it I could go either way. I could take or leave the breast milk . I feel the same way about buggering ^^........................not Quote "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -Goethe Bigotry: Because everyone different from you deserves to be gutted with scrap metal.
emkay64 Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 Ehhh...charge her I guess. It is a bodily fluid so yeah..if blood, spit etc. is chargeable then let's use some more tax dollars to house a chick for breast milk assault. Geeze...what is this world coming to? The whole story comes off as laughable. It's getting so nothing is surprising anymore...absolutely nothing. Quote
ren Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 So I guess we can look forward to Nancy Grace calling her "tit mom" ? Quote "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -Goethe Bigotry: Because everyone different from you deserves to be gutted with scrap metal.
Chi Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 I say charge her trashy ass. Like it's been mentioned, breast milk is a bodily fluid which can transmit diseases if the person is infected. Plus that's just gross. She don't want your breast milk! She don't know you like that! 1 Quote
timesjoke Posted March 9, 2010 Author Posted March 9, 2010 To me I have to consider the intent. The tool she used in her assault should not really be as important. Blood, urine, breast milk, they are all the same in that the intent is to harm the officer in any way possible. The woman tried to do harm, I believe she deserves to be charged with a felony. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 I think someone needs to just get over it. She's in law enforcement. Getting assaulted either physically or by spit, or tit juice is just part of the job. Quote
eddo Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 in Tit mom's defense, the officer had just asked for some cream for her coffee.... Quote I'm trusted by more women.
Chi Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 I think someone needs to just get over it. She's in law enforcement. Getting assaulted either physically or by spit, or tit juice is just part of the job. So if an inmate/someone you are arresting "attacks" you with a money shot, you will be okay with it and get over it? Quote
ImWithStupid Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 So if an inmate/someone you are arresting "attacks" you with a money shot, you will be okay with it and get over it? It's likely the person would need to stop by the hospital, before going to jail, for treatment of the injuries he sustained while "resisting arrest" but it's all part of the job. Quote
timesjoke Posted March 9, 2010 Author Posted March 9, 2010 It's likely the person would need to stop by the hospital, before going to jail, for treatment of the injuries he sustained while "resisting arrest" but it's all part of the job. The story said she was already at the jail and changing when she assulted the officer with the breast milk so other than arranging to watch her fall down some stairs, I believe the only recourse for the assaulted officer was to do the proper paperwork. I don't believe being assaulted with various body fluids should ever be considered "part of the job" for any law enforcement professional. The officer did not force any person to break the law. Each officer of the law is doing a job just like any other job and everyone deserves to be treated with a small measure of respect to include not attacking them with your body fluids just because your upset. Quote
Chi Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 It's likely the person would need to stop by the hospital, before going to jail, for treatment of the injuries he sustained while "resisting arrest" but it's all part of the job. Yeah, that's smart... Especially if there is footage of said causes of "resisting arrest" and police brutality charges from said low life. It's not worth it. Better to have them get in trouble for doing stupid e like throwing bodily fluids at officers than comitting a "crime" yourself over a low life criminal who can't obey the laws. Not worth the risk. 1 Quote
Chi Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 The story said she was already at the jail and changing when she assulted the officer with the breast milk so other than arranging to watch her fall down some stairs, I believe the only recourse for the assaulted officer was to do the proper paperwork. I don't believe being assaulted with various body fluids should ever be considered "part of the job" for any law enforcement professional. The officer did not force any person to break the law. Each officer of the law is doing a job just like any other job and everyone deserves to be treated with a small measure of respect to include not attacking them with your body fluids just because your upset. Surprisingly, totally agree again. Quote
timesjoke Posted March 9, 2010 Author Posted March 9, 2010 Yeah, that's smart... Especially if there is footage of said causes of "resisting arrest" and police brutality charges from said low life. It's not worth it. Better to have them get in trouble for doing stupid e like throwing bodily fluids at officers than comitting a "crime" yourself over a low life criminal who can't obey the laws. Not worth the risk. Unfortunately Chi, this does happen more often than you might think. During my time as an investigator for the State I had seen a lot of examples of people 'getting revenge' instead of doing the right thing and using the legal tools that are available to them. I have seen everything from messing with an inmates food to 'accidents' resulting in inmates being sent to emergency rooms all because an officer got mad and decided to get his own form of justice at the time. But I want to say the vast majority of law enforcement officers do not do these things. Only a very tiny percentage of them are out there doing this. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 First off. I was joking on both accounts. The part of the job thing and the visit to the hospital thing. I was kind of playing devil's advocate because there are many people in the public who do believe that when an officer gets assaulted or killed in the line of duty, that it's part of the job. The local county court judge has rutinely dismissed charges of assaulting an officer in both people physically striking the officer and spitting on the officer, and says in the court record that that kind of stuff just goes with the job. Quote
ren Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 So if an inmate/someone you are arresting "attacks" you with a money shot, you will be okay with it and get over it? Depending on what bodily fluid hits you and where, usually a blood test is taken for a baseline then a medical tail given for preventative measures. This is followed by further testing etc. And prisoners can be prosecuted and receive more time. Sheesh those censors I meant c o c k tail Quote "None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." -Goethe Bigotry: Because everyone different from you deserves to be gutted with scrap metal.
Chi Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 First off. I was joking on both accounts. The part of the job thing and the visit to the hospital thing. I was kind of playing devil's advocate because there are many people in the public who do believe that when an officer gets assaulted or killed in the line of duty, that it's part of the job. The local county court judge has rutinely dismissed charges of assaulting an officer in both people physically striking the officer and spitting on the officer, and says in the court record that that kind of stuff just goes with the job. Ah, makes more sense now. Yeah, I don't know how some judges got to where they're at. Some of their decisions are ludicrous. Quote
hugo Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted March 10, 2010 Author Posted March 10, 2010 The local county court judge has rutinely dismissed charges of assaulting an officer in both people physically striking the officer and spitting on the officer, and says in the court record that that kind of stuff just goes with the job. That must be reginal, we really do not have many Judges down here that much against law enforcement. When even the Judges believe you deserve to be abused, why would anyone want to work that job? Seems to me the Judge needs to be spit on a few times to see how he feels about it. Quote
Ahhlee Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony. I agree with hugo. But yes, she should be punished to some degree. Quote
timesjoke Posted March 10, 2010 Author Posted March 10, 2010 I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony. So would you apply the same standard to all body fluids? If the person has no infections then blood, urine, spit and even fecal matter are all just a minor concern when tossed at a law enforcement officer if these things are free of infections that could be passed to the officer? Quote
hugo Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 So would you apply the same standard to all body fluids? If the person has no infections then blood, urine, spit and even fecal matter are all just a minor concern when tossed at a law enforcement officer if these things are free of infections that could be passed to the officer? I think I would leave most of these decisions up to the DA to press and a jury to decide. My general guideline is what degree of harm was intended. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted March 10, 2010 Author Posted March 10, 2010 I think I would leave most of these decisions up to the DA to press and a jury to decide. My general guideline is what degree of harm was intended. Well you were very vocal to exclude breast milk from being harmful as long as there are no infections so I was wondering how you came to that decision? The DA is a politician, and makes decisions based on political correctness and preservation, not on the basis of law. Each of us as members of society have a voice and can vote to remove DA's that are not representing our morals and ideas for that office. To me, body fluid is body fluid and should be handled fairly and equally no matter what type is used to assault the officer. You say you go by intentions, The intent was to harm in any way possible, even if the method or tool for the assault seemed silly, is that really an excuse? You of all people should know the dangers of shielding people from the results of their own folly. Quote
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