breast milk attack?

[timesjoke]

I am amazed at the pussification of America. I remember when I was 13 getting bit in the ankle, when riding my bike, by a dog deep enough to draw blood. I went home washed it in hot water and put a bandaid on it. Never caught rabies. We wonder why health care costs are so high.

 

It is in' pussies that created Obamacare.

 

I have no issue with 'some' reform. We do need to do things like tort reform and erasing the invisible State lines that stop competition from State to State. But we do not have a "right" to free healthcare in America, trying to force this to happen will change the fundamental system of America and give us no choice but to fully embrace socialist programs from now on because there will be no other way to fund this monster.

 

 

How did we get to the point where people can even argue that breast milk squirting should be a felony?

 

Your rights end where another's rights begin hugo.

 

Do what you want to your own body, but if you force yourself onto another person in any way, then your trampling on the rights of that other person. I should have the right to not be assaulted by another person in any way. You say yourself that your okay with charging a felony as long as the person is infected with a disease so in your case the disease is more important than the issue of forcing yourself on another person, but I see each of our individual rights to freedom to be more important than any one case of disease.

 

 

 

How did we get to the point where even people like you hugo are spending more time arguing why people should not be held accountable for their own actions instead of making personal responsibility a priority in America life?

 

 

 

"The great thought, the great concern, the great anxiety of men is to restrict, as much as possible, the limits of their own responsibility." ~ Giosu? Borsi

 

"Why do children want to grow up? Because they experience their lives as constrained by immaturity and perceive adulthood as a condition of greater freedom and opportunity. But what is there today, in America, that very poor and very rich adolescents want to do but cannot do? Not much: they can "do" drugs, "have" sex, "make" babies, and "get" money (from their parents, crime, or the State). For such adolescents, adulthood becomes synonymous with responsibility rather than liberty. Is it any surprise that they remain adolescents?" ~ Thomas Szasz

[hugo]

The pussification of America continues. Obama care is the natural reult. Most conservatives are against our civil courts being filled with idiots filing frivolous lawsuits yet they are happy to fill up our prisons and criminal courts with crimes based on the same pussification of America policies these same lawsuits often represent.

 

Hepatitis B and C Infections

Hepatitis B Virus Infection

Is it safe for a mother infected with hepatitis B virus (HBV) to breastfeed her infant immediately after birth?

Yes. Even before the availability of hepatitis B vaccine, HBV transmission through breastfeeding was not reported. All infants born to HBV-infected mothers should receive hepatitis B immune globulin and the first dose of hepatitis B vaccine within 12 hours of birth. The second dose of vaccine should be given at aged 1–2 months, and the third dose at aged 6 months. The infant should be tested after completion of the vaccine series, at aged 9–18 months (generally at the next well-child visit), to determine if the vaccine worked and the infant is not infected with HBV through exposure to the mother's blood during the birth process. However, there is no need to delay breastfeeding until the infant is fully immunized. All mothers who breastfeed should take good care of their nipples to avoid cracking and bleeding.

 

For additional information on HBV infection and pregnancy, visit CDC's Viral Hepatitis B Frequently Asked Questions.

 

Hepatitis C Virus Infection

Is it safe for a mother infected with hepatitis C virus (HCV) to breastfeed her infant?

Yes. There is no documented evidence that breastfeeding spreads HCV. Therefore, having HCV-infection is not a contraindication to breastfeed. HCV is transmitted by infected blood, not by human breast milk. There are no current data to suggest that HCV is transmitted by human breast milk.

 

There are also no reported cases of HIV adult transmission through breast milk. Only a paranoid pussy would make a big deal out of being squirted by breast milk. It is the pussification of America that makes heath care costs so high.

 

We do not commonly see in a tax a diminution of freedom, and yet it clearly is one.

Herbert Spencer

 

Prisons must be paid for with taxes.

[timesjoke]

The pussification of America continues. Obama care is the natural reult. Most conservatives are against our civil courts being filled with idiots filing frivolous lawsuits yet they are happy to fill up our prisons and criminal courts with crimes based on the same pussification of America policies these same lawsuits often represent.

 

While other people who claim to be embracing conservative values at the same time spend the majority of their time making excuses for bad behaviors that in itself causes bad bahaviors because you have eliminated penalties.

 

 

Nobody at any time said to put this woman in prison, your intentionally obscuring the discussion hugo, just because she would be charged with a felony that would not put her or 95% of the other Americans charged with felonies into a prison cell. Also there is no change in the criminal courts, either charge level includes time standing before a Judge so that is a non-issue you insert to try and divert attention away from the real discussion as to your insistence that you should be alowed to force your body fluids onto someone else against their will with only a slap on the wrist or even no penalty at all as long as your not infected with a disease.

 

Like our freedoms and rights change based on our medical status. You know hugo, your sounding a lot like the activist Judges who believe the Constitution should be an evolving concept, where we try to understand changes in society and ADAPT our laws around new accepted standards.

 

 

We should be kinder, gentler, go easy on people because it is not their fault they mess up right hugo? You starting to come around to the progressive movement now?

 

 

 

Personal freedoms.

 

Personal responsibility.

 

These things made America great, not making excuses for bad behaviors.

[hugo]

I work in an industry that provides liquids and gases to medical providers as part of our customer base. 20 years ago when a cylinder came in with dried blood on it we would wash it with hot water and put it back in service, now we isolate the cylinder until some safety guy comes down and gives us the approval to wash it with hot water. Yes, I have been subjected to dangers of biohazards videos and meetings. Unlike TJ, I recognize you are more likely to die from suffocating in your chair because all the oxygen molecules have migrated to one corner of the room than from a squirt of mother's milk. He has let them biohazard videos turn him into another of America's paranoid pussies who flee at the drop of blood. Let us return to the ole days when boxers could bleed all over each other. Let us return to America the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Not America the home of the Paranoid Pussies.

 

This incident may not have happened if there were still height requirements for cops; which were dropped so women could be cops in another advancement down the road to pussidom.

 

It is the same pussification of America, irrational fear of a practically non-existant danger, that fuels Al Gore's coffers.

[timesjoke]

And a time before we had something called Aids, lol.

 

At one time we had open air markets too hugo, you want to go back to leaving your meats out in the open?

 

Unlike hugo, I am actually trained in basic medical care as a first responder to include one way breathing masks and splints that are in ever car I drive because there is a responsibility that goes with training as a first responder. And my biggest responsibility is not to create another victim ( like myself and my family) while I am trying to help one victim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why does hugo believe he should have the rignt to expose other people by force to his fluids without penalty as long as he is not carrying a disease? Let me say again, your rights end where another's rights begin hugo. When you force your fluids on another person against their will you are in my mind doing something severe.

 

 

I guess you do not believe in individual rights and protecting them.

 

We should be more understanding of the criminals who can't control themselves and offer them kindness and help when they offer disobediance and nasty behaviors to society........because after all, society made them do it right hugo?

 

 

I am going to post this one again because hugo is missing the point of responsibility in the discussion and maybe he will take the time to read it this time:

 

 

"Why do children want to grow up? Because they experience their lives as constrained by immaturity and perceive adulthood as a condition of greater freedom and opportunity. But what is there today, in America, that very poor and very rich adolescents want to do but cannot do? Not much: they can "do" drugs, "have" sex, "make" babies, and "get" money (from their parents, crime, or the State). For such adolescents, adulthood becomes synonymous with responsibility rather than liberty. Is it any surprise that they remain adolescents?" ~ Thomas Szasz

 

 

 

 

 

 

Society did not force this woman to do what she did hugo, that was her decision, and that decision should hold a penalty.

 

 

"We have not passed that subtle line between childhood and adulthood until... we have stopped saying "It got lost," and say "I lost it." ~ Sidney J. Harris

[hugo]

If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law. – Winston Churchill

 

Where is the politician who has not promised to fight to the death for lower taxes- and who has not proceeded to vote for the very spending projects that make tax cuts impossible?

Barry Goldwater

[timesjoke]

"The price of greatness is responsibility." ~ Winston Churchill

 

 

 

The real shame is a society of people who require ten thousand regulations because they are more interested in splitting hairs than doing what is right.

 

 

You hugo are part of that minset to try and offer excuses for bad behavior instead of just saying that forcing your body fluids on someone else is wrong.

 

"Ninety-nine percent of all failures come from people who have a habit of making excuses." ~ George Washington Carver

 

 

"The willingness to accept responsibility for one's own life is the source from which self-respect springs." ~Joan Didion

 

"Man must cease attributing his problems to his environment, and learn again to exercise his will - his personal responsibility. ~ Albert Einstein

[hugo]

It comes down to this, boys and girls. You can be a brave American and risk that someone may engage you in an unprovoked food fight, or you can be a phucking pussy and demand taxpayers pay 30-40K a year, plus the court costs, to keep such dangerous individuals behind bars.

 

The decision is yours.

[timesjoke]

It comes down to this, boys and girls. You can be a brave American and risk that someone may engage you in an unprovoked food fight, or you can be a phucking pussy and demand taxpayers pay 30-40K a year, plus the court costs, to keep such dangerous individuals behind bars.

 

 

The decision is yours.

 

Another distortion, your trying to divert the discussion away from reality hugo.

 

People with felony charges do not go to prison very often, around 5% will but most of them will have several prior convictions showing a pattern of problems or they will have one very big charge like attempted murder or something.

 

 

So this decision does not involve 30-40k a year as you just said, while on probation the person has to pay for their time so there is no cost of supervision to the State at all. All crimes end up with the person in a court of law so charging them with a felony instead of a misdemeanor does not change that, both charges require the state to spend that money.

 

 

 

So no change in the cost.

 

The decision is not about the money, the decision is about the mindeset of holding people accountable for what they do or not. The decision is if a person should be allowed to force exposure to their body fluids or not. The concept the liberals and hugo want you to believe is that some crime is reasonable and we should just accept them as the fault of society, not the individual. The liberals and hugo want to set aside individual responsibility and make excuses for people so they do not have to face punnishments for what these progressive minded people see as "reasonable" or minor.

 

 

Give somebody an inch and they'll take a mile.

 

If you condone crime in one area, they will take what you condone then a step further, so again your out there giving in again and they take more again, over and over again until the day you say, no more, I will give no more, this is the limit, going further than this is not acceptable.

 

Liberals and hugo are still in the mode of giving in, letting behavior slip a little at a time, over and over again to placate the unruly masses. And it is that attitude by liberals and hugo that has eroded our morals in America.

[hugo]

The fact is, boys and girls 50 years ago the cops would be laughing about the dumb broad and asking the "victim" what the gal's boob looked like. It is the pussification of America that has brought us to the point where someone could seriously consider this a felony. We have become a nation of pussies. (Ladies, pardon me for not using the non-gender term wussie, people were not real PC fifty years ago either.)

 

What would have been entertaining was if the cop had also been lactating and she had retaliated and a dueling boob squeeze milk fight had ensued.

 

People with felony charges do not go to prison very often, around 5%

 

Do you expect people to believe your lies? Newsflash: the internet allows such bogus stats to be quickly proved bogus.

[timesjoke]

The fact is, boys and girls 50 years ago the cops would be laughing about the dumb broad and asking the "victim" what the gal's boob looked like. It is the pussification of America that has brought us to the point where someone could seriously consider this a felony. We have become a nation of pussies. (Ladies, pardon me for not using the non-gender term wussie, people were not real PC fifty years ago either.)

 

50 years ago the woman would have had more self-respect than to expose their breasts or even consider using their breast milk as a weapon. Of course 50 years ago the average woman with child was married as well while today the fastest growing segment of society is the never married mother of two.

 

Did we get to this point in one big step or did it instead take millions of baby steps?

 

The answer is baby steps and these baby steps are made possible by people like hugo who make excuses for bad behavior instead of saying the bad behavior is wrong. The Liberals and hugo want us to believe this kind of thing is normal, but it is not normal, and should not be seen as normal. We should be encouraging our members of society to behave themselves, not encouraging them to misbehave by comming up with all kinds of excuses in the name of being a progressive.

 

 

Hugo is not stupid, even in his own police State of Texas, it is rare that anyone charged with a felony ever goes to Prison, hugo also knows that the State of Texas actually makes money from the probation system because the felon must pay for the cost of his supervision. So why is hugo misrepresenting the debate? Because maybe he is more liberal than he admits to being.

 

 

 

What would have been entertaining was if the cop had also been lactating and she had retaliated and a dueling boob squeeze milk fight had ensued.

 

 

This would have made the situation mutual permission of exposure and yes, very funny.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you expect people to believe your lies? Newsflash: the internet allows such bogus stats to be quickly proved bogus.

 

Okay, here you go again trying to misrepresent what I was trying to say so let me make it more clear.

 

If this was her "only" felony as was pointed out in the story, then she has a 95% chance of getting no more than probation, if during her sentencing it is discovered that she has several other felony convictions then the sentencing guidelines would possibly give her a very short time in a local jail, there is almost no way she could be given prison time on this kind of charge. She would have to be charged with a VOP (violation of probation) for this charge to send her to prison and even then it is not this charge but instead the conditions of their probation that said they were supposed to stay out of trouble that really was why they went to prison.

[hugo]

To cut through all the BS I'd give her 400 hours of community service cleaning up biohazards. We have to recognize we live in a pussified world.

[ImWithStupid]

The fact is, boys and girls 50 years ago the cops would be laughing about the dumb broad and asking the "victim" what the gal's boob looked like.

 

 

50 years ago the cop wouldn't have been female and the woman would have been slapped, beaten, or worse and the prevailing viewpoint would have been that she deserved a beating.

[timesjoke]

To cut through all the BS I'd give her 400 hours of community service cleaning up biohazards. We have to recognize we live in a pussified world.

And community service would be the most likely penalty even if it was a felony, just because you charge a person with a felony that does not mean they go to prison, I have started a new thread to try and explain this to you using your own State as a basis.

 

 

 

And part of the pussified world is people like you want to protect people from the results of their own folly hugo.

[hugo]

50 years ago the cop wouldn't have been female and the woman would have been slapped, beaten, or worse and the prevailing viewpoint would have been that she deserved a beating.

 

Yep, and the cop would have been at least 5' 10".

[hugo]

And community service would be the most likely penalty even if it was a felony, just because you charge a person with a felony that does not mean they go to prison, I have started a new thread to try and explain this to you using your own State as a basis.

 

 

 

And part of the pussified world is people like you want to protect people from the results of their own folly hugo.

 

 

You ever tried to convince your HR department to allow you to hire a convicted felon? I have.

[timesjoke]

You ever tried to convince your HR department to allow you to hire a convicted felon? I have.

 

 

Wow, the picture of liberal thinking and understanding hugo, no wonder you Libertarians are starting to support people like Obama.......

 

 

As it stands I don't see anything wrong with hiring a convicted felon within reasonable exceptions, such as a bank robber should not be working in a bank, but I truly believe in paying your debt to society and the chance to live down the past. I have hired a few myself, mostly in construction to be honest, but still I give then trust until they prove they are not worthy of it.

 

 

But "FIRST" they must pay that price to society, and that is not possible if someone is out there making excuses for what they did that prevents that person from learning from their mistake.

[hugo]

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TJ and Tammi.

 

Once we were a nation of brave pioneers.

[timesjoke]

 

 

TJ and Tammi.

 

Once we were a nation of brave pioneers.

 

So we back to personal flames to dodge your losing a discussion hugo?

 

What part of consensual exposure do you fail to understand? I do not want people to force exposure on anyone else so you think that is the exact same thing as not wanting "ANY" exposures to include fun times?

 

 

 

Your exactly like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, people do not want "THEIR" version of healthcare reform so all those three do is run around and claim the conservatives do not want "ANY" reform. Amazing how much you have in common with the radical liberals hugo. right down to how you use false claims to try and derail attention away from a topic your weak on.

 

 

 

You lied about the woman being forced into prison if she was charged with a felony.

 

You lied about the cost to the State if she was convicted with a felony

 

You lied about the cost to bring her to court if she was charged with a felony.

 

You lie about me not wanting any exposure to a woman.

 

Yep, you fit into the liberal scheme of things nicely.

 

 

The point is that hugo is the kind of progressive who loves to come up with excuses for bad behavior in society, these behaviors would never had been tolerated by people like Thomas Jefferson hugo, do you think this is what our founding fathers had for personal freedom? Do you believe they would approve of how your trying to protect peopel from their own bad behaviors? Dignity was very important to them in those days hugo, where is the dignity is snatching out your breast and squirting peopel with it? Where is the self-control? Where is the self-discipline?

 

 

“With self-discipline most anything is possible.� ~ Theodore Roosevelt

“Everyone tries to define this thing called Character. It's not hard. Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking.� ~ unknown

[ren]

Yeah hugo you're scum of the earth but I just love your irreverent humor

[eddo]

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TJ and Tammi.

 

Once we were a nation of brave pioneers.

 

+50 for the Naked Gun reference!

[Ahhlee]

+50 for the Naked Gun reference!

 

I repped it, too.