Is Bush right?

[builder]

Builder for prez!!!

 

If there's one thing worse than a retard, it's a fucking crawler.

 

Fuck you wesley. Three times and sideways.

[wez]

If there's one thing worse than a retard, it's a fucking crawler.

 

Fuck you wesley. Three times and sideways.

 

 

Get a fucking life.

[snafu]

What kind of cum-lickin' response was that shit Jhony?

 

The Bin Laden family have been in bed with your coke-head loser of a prez for decades.

 

The same drivelling shit-head loser that declared a holy war on Islam. The fucking loser. He's playing with our money, and our lives, for his own profit.

 

Get that up ya, Mister righteous tryhard.

 

Umm no builder. In case you didn't know, our presedents only have a four year term. He's on his second. Not decades. I don't know what coke-head prez your talking about but Bush had no dealings with bin Laden. Clinton on the other hand did. Also I'm sure your trying to be deragatory but we fighting terror not a holy war.

[phreakwars]

I don't believe he said Bush was president for decades, he said Bush dealt ( as in business dealings)with Bin Laden for decades. Read it again !!

 

And if you are telling me he DIDN'T snafu, then you obviously have led a very sheltered life in your igloo.

 

Same thing with the coke... boy, where the hell have you been ??

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[snafu]

I don't believe he said Bush was president for decades, he said Bush dealt ( as in business dealings)with Bin Laden for decades. Read it again !!

 

And if you are telling me he DIDN'T snafu, then you obviously have led a very sheltered life in your igloo.

 

Same thing with the coke... boy, where the hell have you been ??

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I read it just fine the first time. You show me were bin Laden and Bush have had dealings in anything in the past. I asume you mean financial dealings that his father did with bin laden's family? Was this ever proven?

[phreakwars]

I read it just fine the first time. You show me were bin Laden and Bush have had dealings in anything in the past. I asume you mean financial dealings that his father did with bin laden's family? Was this ever proven?

2 words: Arbusto Energy

 

On the morning of September 11, 2001, George W. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, was meeting with Osama bin Laden's brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on Carlyle Group business. Two days later, 13 bin Ladens were cleared by the White House to fly out of the United States when overseas flights were again cleared for departure. The New York Times reported that they were quickly called together by officials from the Saudi Embassy, which feared that they might become the victims of American reprisals. With approval from the F.B.I., according to a Saudi official, the bin Ladens flew by private jet from Los Angeles to Orlando, then on to Washington, D.C. and finally to Boston. Once the FAA permitted overseas flights, the jet flew to Europe.

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[snafu]

2 words: Arbusto Energy

 

 

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I remember that. Although it's probably true it was never proven that Bush Sr. and Salem bin Laden had any ties. Bush was working with the Saudi goverment. And he did help the Ladens get out of the country.

 

buiders (blanket statment) as he would say, suggested that Bush Jr and Osama bin Laden had dealings.

 

PS: I'll go back to my rock now.

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

idiot fuckstick

 

To the cocksucker put this in my rep:

 

FUCK YOU AND YOUR RIGHT-WING NAZI LOVING BULLSHIT

[hugo]

Yes, Bin Laden's family and the Bush's had business ties. Rosalyn Carter was also photographed with John Gacy. Neither mean anything.

[snafu]

Yes, Bin Laden's family and the Bush's had business ties. Rosalyn Carter was also photographed with John Gacy. Neither mean anything.

I couldn't agree more. It's not like none of us don't use oil.

I think an I'll check but Bush Sr was doing business with the Saudi's. The Saudi family were being funded by the bin Ladens. Wheather Bush new or not is a matter of debate.

[kellyjaz]

Sadaam Hussien = Adolf Hitler

Bin Laden = Heinrich Himmler

Taliban = Gestapo

Islamic Fundamentalists = The SS

Islam = The Nazi Part

Muslim = Nazi

your mom = sucks dick 24/7

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

and of course there's KellyJiz, her name says it all!

[Hamza123]

The Bush family, or most have done dealings with The Bin Laden family, or most.

 

What could that mean?

 

One of two things...

 

One would be because Bin Ladens brothers and sisters, who are normal and not extremist Muslims, own some of the Largest Oil/Construction companies in the Middle East, if you're talking about rebuilding or building anything in Iraq or if you want to own Oil, you talk to the Bin Ladens. I wouldn't call you guilty of dealing with them.

 

The other could mean that Bush JR and the Saudis are in on the Iraqi oil for there own personal wealth/agenda.

 

To be rational, I would say #1, but that doesn't mean the Bush JR has not dealt with Osama, he probobly even knew about it just it didn't affect him as a politician...

[builder]

I couldn't agree more. It's not like none of us don't use oil.

I think an I'll check but Bush Sr was doing business with the Saudi's. The Saudi family were being funded by the bin Ladens. Wheather Bush new or not is a matter of debate.

 

No it isn't. It's common knowledge, snafu.

[snafu]

So the Dem's have been screaming "Bush and his scare tactics!" Well now the assholes are crying "he's looking at terror through rose colored glasses!" Well which is it? Make up you fucking minds you pieces of shit! Anything to get the vote. Well that's what Bush has over them. He doesn't play the poll game. He doesn't go by what the critics say. He goes by what he feels is right. Were he went wrong is listing to strategists in the beginning that we could do it with very little troops. He fucked up there big time. Well you preemptive assholes, what do you think now? Well I think we shoulda gone in and made a big glass marble out of the place! We wouldn't be worrying about terrorist then!

[Peace]

Elmo = Adolf Hitler

 

You might wonder why? Think about this, a highly beloved public figure. Often considered to be very loving of children. However, creates a new and perfect world which places individuals of contradicting opinions (other Sesame Street characters) outside where they're limited in their moving space to "concentration camp" worthy sections of the show. In other words, elmo is trying to push the other sesame street characters, out of his show, and out of mind. A forced disappearance of a group of individuals.

 

McDonalds = Gestapo

A highly systematic and organized heirachy that uses modern tactics to slowly, but surely kill off a part of society. However, under the bright and shiny uniforms and the cold smiles, their intentions remain hidden.

 

The Trix Kids = Nazi

Yes, Depriving a person of their natural rights. Whether that may be the right to live in peace, a right to live with dignity, or the right to live eating Trix, they divide society into two groups: Those who are worthy of these rights, and those who are unworthy. They're displayed on television in bright and exciting colors, with messages that strike fervor into any respectable citizens hearts, while still spreading messages of hate.

 

We need to do something about this...

[snafu]

Elmo = Adolf Hitler

 

You might wonder why? Think about this, a highly beloved public figure. Often considered to be very loving of children. However, creates a new and perfect world which places individuals of contradicting opinions (other Sesame Street characters) outside where they're limited in their moving space to "concentration camp" worthy sections of the show. In other words, elmo is trying to push the other sesame street characters, out of his show, and out of mind. A forced disappearance of a group of individuals.

 

McDonalds = Gestapo

A highly systematic and organized heirachy that uses modern tactics to slowly, but surely kill off a part of society. However, under the bright and shiny uniforms and the cold smiles, their intentions remain hidden.

 

The Trix Kids = Nazi

Yes, Depriving a person of their natural rights. Whether that may be the right to live in peace, a right to live with dignity, or the right to live eating Trix, they divide society into two groups: Those who are worthy of these rights, and those who are unworthy. They're displayed on television in bright and exciting colors, with messages that strike fervor into any respectable citizens hearts, while still spreading messages of hate.

 

We need to do something about this...

 

Dude... don't bogart the joint!

 

Okay in your intriguing way with analogies, is laden and others are "Elmos"? Or more like the Cookie Monster were they just like to bury the crumbs instead of just pushing them out of the show??

[Peace]

Dude... don't bogart the joint!

 

Okay in your intriguing way with analogies, is laden and others like him Elmos? Or more like the Cookie Monster were they just like to bury the crumbs instead of just pushing them out of the show??

 

Laden is sorta like the cookie monster. LOL

 

The only point of my last post was my reaction against a post by Mohammad_Rots_in_Hell.

 

Sadaam Hussein = Adolf Hitler

Bin Laden = Heinrich Himmler

Taliban = Gestapo

Islamic Fundamentalists = The SS

 

I guess I can sort of see that.

 

Islam = The Nazi Part

Muslim = Nazi

 

And this is where MIRH comes up with generalizing statements as he always does. Ironically, in the arguments that I've had with him before, he's consistently told me that he has nothing against most Muslims, but it's the philosophy of Islam itself that he dislikes. Which is odd, because he quickly associated all Muslims with Nazis in that last post.

 

So why my post? I was just trying to show that anyone can go and easily make comparisons with two contrasting ideas and even go as far to write proofs surrounding them.

 

Yes, I think my arguments are ridiculous. I really don't honestly think that Adolph Hitler has anything to do with a small red puppet that giggles when you squeeze its belly. But look, I can write out a proof for it. Hey, I could have kept on going.

 

Anyone can go as far to pull a random assortment of facts to prove that two ideas are related, if they put their mind to it. However, it doesn’t mean that the two actually are similar ideas. It just shows that one can debate in a convincing manner.

 

And hey, if it's easy to write a proof about these comparisons, it’s even easier to go onto a forum and write generalizing statements like Islam is to the Nazi party and Muslims are to Nazis without any explanation.

 

But I'm just saying that even if I requested an explanation, I'm pretty sure that someone could pull out some obscure statistic that Islam has always supported a terrorist campaign and that all 1.2 billion Muslims are just as ruthless as a party that had campaigned against the Jews, Homosexuals, and Gypsies.

 

But if in reality, if we were to compare these concepts, we'd see they were apples to oranges.

 

One of the fundamental concepts behind Nazism was the belief in a superior race. Other races were biologically inferior and could no way ever choose to hold themselves comparable to the superior race.

 

Islam considers Muslims to not be superior but in a way the ultimate inferior. As Islam means "to submit", in terms of submission to god, the Muslim is the ultimate "submitter". Just as a side note: A lot of individuals feel that "submission" is harsh and feudalist term, but seen in the historical context, it makes sense. Similar to the use of the term, Lord, in the bible, as to describe God.

 

Also, Muslims don't consider non-Muslims to be more inferior or following an incorrect fold, as Nazis did to the “non-Aryans”. Actually, Muslims have a term for Christians and Jews (and themselves) called Ahl Al-Kitthab which means People of the Book. It just means a general acceptance that their scriptures and beliefs are valid.

 

Nazis had never ever felt that different races were on the same platform as them. They saw the world as a hierarchy with themselves being the ultimate.

 

In the end of the day, all I'm saying is that not only was the Islam = Nazism argument faulty, but this need to consistently turn to comparisons to Adolf Hitler and Nazism to assert one's point is also a faulty method of debate.

 

I think we've all heard Godwin's theory. That whenever a debate occurs, the longer the debate extends, the probability of a reference towards Hitler or the Nazi party becomes 1, or definite. At that point, the debate ends, and the one who mentions Hitler, automatically wins. Because of course, they have immediately mentioned that any denial of this comparison is similar to the denial of the massacre of the Jews.

 

Hence, they create a "hey If you don't support our idea, then you're against us...and hence evil" theory.

 

Ironically, Hitler was the biggest supporter of this theory.

 

...and also the guy to ask when it comes to comparing a group of people to evil...

[snafu]

Well your analogy was obscure but accrete if Elmo wanted to push others off the show. The two ideas do have the same end product. Islamic Muslims do think they are superior. They do think we are all infidels to be owned or slaughtered. The submission part is supposed to be to Allah not infidels. People like Bin laden and Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are exactly like Hitler. And I’m not trying to invoke the “Hitler” dogma. They want total elimination of all religions other than theirs. They take political advocacies and exterminate them in mass graves. They teach their young to strap bombs on and terrorize the masses. They are taught to hate and kill not just by these leaders but also by their clergy. You have to be walking around with blinders on not to notice the similarities. The leaders are the Hitler’s and their religion are the Nazis.