Is it constitutional?

[phreakwars]

Try to justify it any way you want. If you get back more than you pay in, it isn't "earned", It's welfare, and if a person is getting said welfare, they obviously can't support themselves and their brood or are just another parasite sucking on the government teet.

Like I said, I would REALLY LOVE to see Republicans try and convince fellow Republicans who are in that credit bracket to give up their hand out.. I'd laugh my ass off if the EIC credit was taken away. Guarantee you the first thing that would happen, is someone (more then likely a right winger), will say removing those credits, is a tax increase on the working class.

 

Your completely talking tea bagger and you know it. And I still don't believe you about your tax returns.. what, never claimed your daughter? Or was it that your ex ole lady does, so you can squeek by and claim to have never have taken the credits? Yeah, I know how this is, you ain't fooling me for a second. Too many Puritan tea baggers don't live up to their own purity test to be taken serious. I doubt your the exception.

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[ImWithStupid]

Like I said, I would REALLY LOVE to see Republicans try and convince fellow Republicans who are in that credit bracket to give up their hand out.. I'd laugh my ass off if the IEC credit was taken away. Guarantee you the first thing that would happen, is someone (more then likely a right winger), will say removing those credits, is a tax increase on the working class.

 

Your completely talking tea bagger and you know it. And I still don't believe you about your tax returns.. what, never claimed your daughter? Or was it that your ex ole lady does, so you can squeek by and claim to have never have taken the credits? Yeah, I know how this is, you ain't fooling me for a second. Too many Puritan tea baggers don't live up to the purity test to be taken serious. I doubt your the exception.

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I could care less who did it, Republican, Democrat, Independent, the tax code, welfare, and social security, medicare/medicaid systems need to be changed. We can't afford them, nor can we keep going like we are.

 

As for my tax return, yes I claim one of my children and get the child tax credit, my ex claims the other one, I don't take the EIC, and wouldn't qualify if I wanted to (because I didn't breed past what I can support, myself), I still end up paying in more than I get back. Even in 2008 when the federal government sent me $900 in a supposed "stimulus" check, I was in the positive taxpayer category. I honestly don't care what credits, people take, but as soon as the money returned is more than money paid in, it's welfare and is a liability.

 

I could care less if you believe me, I know the truth because it's my money.

[phreakwars]

yes I claim one of my children and get the child tax credit

 

Credit is NOT money you have paid in, if you owe no tax, then taking this on your return gives you money that you did not pay into the system. It is exactly what it says it is... a CREDIT. Therefore, even without the EIC credit, you STILL took a socialist child tax credit. Yet another puritan who can't pass the purity test. Your a damn welfare case like everyone else you wanna slam who are taking credits.

 

As for you paying in still, it doesn't matter, your taking socialist money in the form of credit to reduce your debt to the government. Just because someone else can take that same credit and get a better return doesn't mean they aren't just as entitled as you are.. I detect a bit of jealousy.

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[ImWithStupid]

Credit is NOT money you have paid in, if you owe no tax, then taking this on your return gives you money that you did not pay into the system. It is exactly what it says it is... a CREDIT. Therefore, even without the EIC credit, you STILL took a socialist child tax credit. Yet another puritan who can't pass the purity test. Your a damn welfare case like everyone else you wanna slam who are taking credits.

 

As for you paying in still, it doesn't matter, your taking socialist money in the form of credit to reduce your debt to the government. Just because someone else can take that same credit and get a better return doesn't mean they aren't just as entitled as you are.. I detect a bit of jealousy.

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I didn't say people shouldn't take advantage of the tax code. I said the tax system needs to be changed so everyone has a stake in it. A lower end of 11% sounds fair, with no deductions or credits.

 

It doesn't matter how much you pay, my point is, that anything that you get back, in excess of what you paid in, is welfare and should be called welfare.

 

Calling it "earned" is BS. It isn't earned if it's someone else's money. Using these terms, let people feel good about taking welfare.

[phreakwars]

Anything you can enter on lines 29-33 of your form 1040a, is welfare. As is line 41a-43. Another case of "ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT SOCIALISM" by NOT taking those welfare credits.

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[ImWithStupid]

Anything you can enter on lines 29-33 of your form 1040a, is welfare. As is line 41a-43. Another case of "ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT SOCIALISM" by NOT taking those welfare credits.

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Sorry. It's not welfare until it's money given to you, not your own money back.

[phreakwars]

Sorry, but it is NOT your own money back and I'll tell you why... Because EVERYBODY who has paid to have their child in day care or has paid a sitter, can take the credit.

 

Your only thinking of your own income level. What about people with a lower income then you? You know... the welfare queens who actually get a refund? Obviously, if they are due a refund, then chances are, they will get back all they have paid in, save for a couple hundred bucks... at what, $1000 a kid, you'll cross over into socialism territory with one swift deduction. Just because all it is doing for you is reducing your debt, doesn't make it any less of a socialist credit.

 

If you owed someone $100, and I gave you $60 to pay down the debt, you still owe the debt, and it is still a hand out even though it's still costing you $40 to pay it.

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[ImWithStupid]

Sorry, but it is NOT your own money back and I'll tell you why... Because EVERYBODY who has paid to have their child in day care or has paid a sitter, can take the credit.

 

Your only thinking of your own income level. What about people with a lower income then you? You know... the welfare queens who actually get a refund? Obviously, if they are due a refund, then chances are, they will get back all they have paid in, save for a couple hundred bucks... at what, $1000 a kid, you'll cross over into socialism territory with one swift deduction. Just because all it is doing for you is reducing your debt, doesn't make it any less of a socialist credit.

 

 

You aren't listening to what I'm saying. I understand that people claim these credits. Great, awesome, until the tax code changes, bully for them.

 

What I am saying is that any amount that you get back, beyond the amount that you paid in (the part that was your earned property), is welfare and should be labeled what it is.

 

If you owed someone $100, and I gave you $60 to pay down the debt, you still owe the debt, and it is still a hand out even though it's still costing you $40 to pay it.

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No. Once you are allowed the credit, you no longer "owe" that amount. That's why I say get rid of all credits and adjust the tax liability so everyone pays something.

 

Flat tax, with a few different levels. That way everybody has a vested interest. I agree that the more you make, the more you should pay, but don't agree that anyone should be able to through life, never contributing because they are given welfare in the form of a "refund".

[RoyalOrleans]

 

“We have constructed a governmental welfare scheme, which has been a machine for producing poor people.� - Milton Friedman

[eddo]

I also have never received back more than what I paid in.

 

A couple years while I was working part time while in college I got back all that I had paid into the Federal Income Tax, but never got more than what I had paid in.

 

 

and I don't like giving the Gov't a loan on my money, but I sure do like that rebate check at the end of the year for my overpayments. If I was better at just saving my monies all year, I would do like RO does.

[snafu]

Can you do that? Make a profit from paying taxes? That would be a new one on me. I get a return because I pay more than I'm supposed to. I claim 0 so they take more out. It's my money I'm getting back Phreak.