Right or Wrong?

[ren]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility? I would accept your stance except that I've seen too many posts demoralizing or degrading women. As far as truth telling pre sex it is something both sexes do and I'll give that at least a 50/50.

[RoyalOrleans]

Karma is a bitch of a mistress.

[snafu]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility? I would accept your stance except that I've seen too many posts demoralizing or degrading women. As far as truth telling pre sex it is something both sexes do and I'll give that at least a 50/50.

 

 

Yes I'll give you a 50/50. We had a thread in the past that presented the delima of a man spiking his girfriends drink with the day after abortion pill. Shouldn't it be his right to do so?

[eddo]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility?

 

He's scum.

[RoyalOrleans]

Any man who shrugs responsibility for his actions should be whipped in the square of his hometown.

[eddo]

Any man who shrugs responsibility for his actions should be whipped in the square of his hometown.

 

yeah, that too.

[wez]

[/i][/b]

2 things regarding this quote:

 

#1- if this woman feels that way about a pregnancy, then the kid is prolly better off dead than being raised by her. What a horrible outlook on the beginning of a life.

 

#2- an animal gets caught unsuspectingly in a trap. They are hidden. Pretty sure most women of child bearing age (at least in this country) have an understanding of how it is that one gets pregnant. Since over 98% of abortions are simply used as a post-conception birth control- maybe there are better alternatives than ending a life.

 

 

Well.. the point of the quote wasn't how the animal got in the trap.. or how a women got pregnant.. but rather how they may feel once there.

 

 

 

He's scum.

 

Yeah.. not too cool of a man to pressure a woman to have an abortion.. should be supportive of her choice either way..

 

 

What do you think of men who pressure women to give birth against their will?

 

 

Some nuts actually wanna make laws taking control of a woman's uterus.. Handmaidens Tale.. shudder

[emkay64]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility? I would accept your stance except that I've seen too many posts demoralizing or degrading women. As far as truth telling pre sex it is something both sexes do and I'll give that at least a 50/50.

 

Ren.....back away from this discussion. Trust me....we've all been through this. Don't bother. It'll just piss you off and it isn't worth it....reallllly...truly...back away...quickly. It is already gone away from the original discussion and we're now back to evils of women and their uteruses, and the timeless abortion debate.

[hugo]

Or is this just another flame attempt hugo? You angry again? If so maybe you should go see what God said about that.

 

Nothing worse then the misuse of bible quotes to defend divorce and fornication, TJ. I ain't angry, just trying to save you from hellfire.

[ren]

Ren.....back away from this discussion. Trust me....we've all been through this. Don't bother. It'll just piss you off and it isn't worth it....reallllly...truly...back away...quickly. It is already gone away from the original discussion and we're now back to evils of women and their uteruses, and the timeless abortion debate.

LOL em , duly noted. Me and my evil uterus are out.

[snafu]

Ren.....back away from this discussion. Trust me....we've all been through this. Don't bother. It'll just piss you off and it isn't worth it....reallllly...truly...back away...quickly. It is already gone away from the original discussion and we're now back to evils of women and their uteruses, and the timeless abortion debate.

 

 

LMAO .

Edited April 2, 2016 by rem

[snafu]

It's the gods truth ren. Didn't we ban this topic anyway? . Edited April 2, 2016 by rem

[timesjoke]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility? I would accept your stance except that I've seen too many posts demoralizing or degrading women. As far as truth telling pre sex it is something both sexes do and I'll give that at least a 50/50.

 

So you dodge my questions but then ask more questions yourself?

 

Well I do not dodge questions, but you seem very selective to only try and paint me a certain way and ignore everything else I say.

 

The part you refuse to admit to is I am not only critical of women, I am critical of men too but you blind yourself to my many, many hard line possitions on men so you can pretend I am only attacking women from what you assume is hard feelings from my experiences with women in my past.......but your wrong.

 

 

In this question the man is a piece of garbage to try and avoid his responsibility, in pretty much every possition I take there is a heavy responsibility connection and I do not give breaks to one sex or the other, either your responsible or your not. I may seem a bit more hard on women on the abortion issue because only women kill their babies, once the woman has decided to allow the child to live I am severely supportive of even harsher laws to make men stand up to their responsibility.

 

 

Let me offer an example, once a man is behind on his child support by $5,000 I believe that should be mandatory work release jail time until he has cought up his back child support. This let's him still work but he can't go out and have fun if he is refusing to support his children.

 

 

 

Nothing worse then the misuse of bible quotes to defend divorce and fornication, TJ. I ain't angry, just trying to save you from hellfire.

 

Misuse?

 

Your the one who tried to hit me over the head with what you claimed was commanded by God and was proven wrong hugo, not me. You tried to bring faith into a discussion to flame me, nothing else. I am saved hugo, no hellfire for me, all men fall short, but you pointing your finger at me with false claims is not really helping your cause.

 

 

I am still waiting for you to tell me what I should have done?

 

Force her to stay? Tie her to the bed and make her be faithful? Force her to go to church and brainwash her to believe in a faith she had rejected?

 

Tell me hugo, what should I have done in this situation, your the one claiming I was irresponsible so it is up to you to explain what you feel the responsible thing was.

[timesjoke]

Looks like several posts were deleted, interesting how the attack on me from hugo is allowed to stay, lol.

 

Your bias is showing RO. I am sure you will delete this again but if your allowing other people to flame, I will reply not with returned flames but simply to defend myself and point out the flames for what they are.

 

Nothing worse then the misuse of bible quotes to defend divorce and fornication, TJ. I ain't angry, just trying to save you from hellfire.

 

 

Again, hugo your the one who claimed I was irresponsible and you took the direction of trying to use religion and the Bible as a weapon to flame me. All I did was teach you what is really in the Bible. It is not my fault you do not truly understand the teachings God has given us. Jesus is a savior, not you, hugo, lol.

 

 

So being as you are the one who claimed I was irresponsible for letting my wife decide to leave and be unfaithful back your words up, explain what you feel the responsible thing would have been to do?

 

 

Should I have restrained her, tie her to the bed and refuse to let her leave? Should I have tried to brainwash her to follow a faith she had turned her back on? Exactly what should i have done hugo?

[timesjoke]

Another one, why it is only all of my posts are deleted RO? It was Ren and Hugo who took to flames on me and I replied to but you delete even my first post that was 100% on topic?

 

What are you doing?

 

 

And this is the crux of the problem. One or two women have colored your perception of the whole gender and everything we do. I've seen you talk about this many times. This is something that you have to let go of although it seems so deeply ingrained that I don't know if you'll ever do it. Everyone plays the fools at one time in their life. What we do with it is up to us. It's ok to feel ambivalent for awhile but after awhile you have to let it go.

 

Being as RO is on a delete what Times says move I can only say that again I am not only critical of women, your assertion that I am harsher on women is false.

 

 

I place responsibility where it belongs, responsibility does not see gender, it is what it is. I understand the decisions are complex but just because I hold all people responsible for their actions, that does not mean I am against women in any way. I love women, I cherish all the women in my life and I see women as equals, and as being equal I can honestly apply responsibility to them just as strictly as I do all men.

[emkay64]

Ren never flamed you TJ.

[timesjoke]

Ren never flamed you TJ.

Claiming I was anti-woman is a flame em, that is tossing accusations at the person speaking instead of addressing the topic. The same thing is done when people are vocal against the Obama policies, they are called racist in order to discount the words that are being spoken.

 

I am not against women at all, in fact I would say I am more strict on men when it comes to responsibility issues but responsibility does not change just because of your sex.

 

 

You even added to it with your little "evil women" comment. Where did I ever say all women were evil? You have to insert that into my words in order to pretend I am being over the top. I have never said anything close to that and by pretendiong like I have is also a type of flame em.

[emkay64]

Good Grief TJ...you sure do love being a victim.

[timesjoke]

Good Grief TJ...you sure do love being a victim.

Again, that is not fair, most of the big blowups in the past was because when people would flame me I would reply in kind, a back and forth would result and what did it get us?

 

Either people are talking about me or they are not Em. hugo and Ren made their replies not about the topic but they directed negative comments about me as a person, attacked my character, and made wrong comments about me. Now if that is not a flame, what is it? Why are comments directed at me in the first place? What is being accomplished by calling me names?

[emkay64]

When people disagree with your truths you resort to classic degradation practices. I have to come to believe that you are in fact trying to be less inflammatory, but certain topics are a lost cause with you. With regards to abortion you view women as cold and that the choice is as easy as ordering a hamburger.

 

I am pro-choice because I would never presume to tell a woman or any man what to do with his/her body. I have carried children, and while I am pro-choice, at this stage in my life I don't like the idea of abortion because I've HAD my babies, and they were a joy. However...when I was 15 my views were a lot different. Teenagers are so driven by messed up hormones and rebellion, they make mistakes..and even if this student was pro-life, her fear of being disowned, of the pain of childbirth, the unrealistic idea that she would have no future...etc. etc...likely drove her to that decision, not the people at the clinic. YOU don't understand what it's like...because YOU aren't female. You don't have to deal with all the life altering decisions, you don't have to puke for 4 months as a fetus grows. YOU will never understand. Men can walk away. You might not, but many , many do. Women get left with all the rest. So for you to make your snap judgement calls on sensitive matters such as this are degrading and shameful. I have no doubt you love the women in your life...I never said you didn't. I sincerely hope though that your daughter never makes a mistake that forces her to accept your judgement over making her own decisions. You are so rigid and incapable of being flexible at all. It comes off as being hateful of women. I'm sorry if you dislike that but your admittedly "crass" and "edgy" attitude have portrayed you in that light. If it's an image you'd like to overcome...change the way you present yourself.

[ren]

@Times. Flame you? Where? I was just pointing out where I thought you were coming from IMO. I can't help but laugh at some of the things people say around here, But it wasn't personal. Flaming would be calling you names n stuffs

I'm not sucking up but this place has some of the wittiest funny people here and that's why I hang around. Not much into politics gasp but there are plenty of other threads here that I enjoy. I find if people have a strong opinion let them have it. If I disagree well that's ok. If I get upset about it then that's my problem. Go with the flow, go with the flo. You'll be much happier.

[timesjoke]

Where did I ever say the decision was easy?

 

This has always been the problem with many of you, you have to insert things I never said into my mouth so you have an excuse to flame me because I am none of the things you just claimed I am, why do you guys feel compelled to lie about my possitions on these thing?

 

So now what? Should I respond to your lie with attacks of my own? This is how this stuff gets out of hand, your taking it too personal and flamming me instead of paying attention to the information. If you question something I offer as a fact concerning abortions simply ask me to back it up, don't call me names just because you do not like what I said. In the last big abortion discussion I proved every one of my stated facts with the most respected source for abortion facts in America and most of the world but still the facts are ignored and I am a bad guy and deserve to be lied about just because I say the facts.

 

 

 

Let me say this again, I do not believe the decision to get an abortion is an easy one, it is horrible that someone would even think that they have to kill a child growing in their womb. I have offered in the past many studies of where it has been proven that most women suffer from their decision to kill their child their entire life and they have many mental issues because of it. But you and most women will never admit that an unwanted pregnancy more often than not is because of irresponsible behaviors "BY BOTH THE MAN AND WOMAN". The only thing that is more severe on the woman is she is the only person who can decide to kill the child. If a man drugs a woman against her will to cause an abortion, that is called murder.

 

 

You equate my refusal to call women blameless for unwanted pregnancies as me saying the abortion is no big deal to women, and that is simply wrong.

 

 

 

Again, my point is one of responsibility, the greater responsibility is to not kill to escape taking responsibility for a "choice" already made by both the man and woman to have sex without using any kind of prevention. I am not saying this about all men and women, just the ones who have irresponsible sex. If you do not have irresponsible sex that can lead to unwanted pregnancies, than I am not talking about you, male or female.

 

 

 

 

Now, I think it was pretty low to try and say I would not be loving to my daughter, this is the kind of thing that I get so frustrated with because I don't do this with other people just because they say something I do not agree with. This sort of personal attack is just not reasonable.

 

I love my daughter, even if she did have an abortion I would not disown her or reject her as your trying to imply. But she would have made the wrong decision, and like any bad decision humans make we have to learn from them and move foward instead of trying to twist wrong into right under the guise of saving hurt feelings. I would hope I can teach my daughter to have enough self-respect to not make that mistake of an unwanted pregnancy in the first place and if not to teach her the proper response to a mistake is not to kill a baby, but as I said, if she did make several big mistakes like this, I would love her and support her and help her to move foward, not trash her or hate her.

 

 

But you are right about one thing, when it comes to responsibility I am not flexible. A person is either responsible for their actions or they are not. I do not give a pass for bad behavior just because someone might get hurt feelings being made to see the truth of their irresponsibility.

 

 

 

 

 

Ren,

 

You took the time to directly call into question my integrity and assign a false motive for my posts, that is a flame.

 

Instead of making personal commentary about me as a person, why not get involved in the discussion at hand instead?

[emkay64]

Whatever TJ...I gave my opinion on the post and you twisted it all into a giant clusterfuk as usual. I'm done with this thread, please feel free to talk to yourself.

[ren]

I think I did get involved with the hijacked question and stated my opinion. The whole situation sucked. Better? I agree with em's assessment though, perhaps this is the time to hold your fingers and listen.

We all agreed on one thing and that was the way it happened and the schools involvement.

[mercury]

How do you feel about the man that pressures abortion to avoid responsibility? I would accept your stance except that I've seen too many posts demoralizing or degrading women. As far as truth telling pre sex it is something both sexes do and I'll give that at least a 50/50.

 

Oh here we go again.....

 

Men are not responsible for Irresponsible Vaginas!

 

Would you like to join our club, Ren? We're known as.... The Estrogen Mafia