Big Government

[phreakwars]

OK all you teabaggers, how about a list of all that "BIG GOVERNMENT" we could be slashing?

 

Who on the governments payroll needs to be sent to the unemployment line?

 

Let's here it.

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[eddo]

the IRS.

 

Establish a flat tax.

[hugo]

The UPS, get rid of them. HUD close it. Most congressional staffers. Most of the White House staff.

[phreakwars]

I assume you mean the USPS, not UPS.

 

BTW, The USPS, is technically, NOT a government ran company... LOOK IT UP!!

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[ImWithStupid]

IRS - Flat tax. Nearly all duties obsolete.

 

Dept. of Agriculture - end farm subsidies and government manipulation of the market. Anything that is left should/could be done by Dept. of the Interior and Dept of Commerce.

 

Dept. of Education - Should be a state and local concern.

 

DEA - FDA, FBI and ICE can do the duties of the DEA.

 

Ethanol subsidies - It's an example of what happens when .gov decides what the market should be and who the winners and losers are. A big, bloated, boondoggle with taxpayer money propping it up forever.

[ImWithStupid]

 

BTW, The USPS, is technically, NOT a government ran company... LOOK IT UP!!

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If you mean that it isn't a company, I'll agree, but it is government ran. It is owned and controlled by the government.

[hugo]

Tell South Korea to defend their own borders.

[hugo]

White House Executive Pastry Chef

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

The White House Executive Pastry Chef is responsible for the planning, managing and preparing of all desserts and pastries served at the White House, the official residence of the President of the United States. This includes State Dinners, official dinners, and private entertaining by the First Family.

 

The Executive Pastry Chef works separate from the White House Executive Chef and reports directly to the Chief Usher. He works in coordination with these two, as well as the White House Social Secretary, and the First Lady for all events and dinners. The Executive Pastry Chef serves at the First Lady's pleasure and is appointed, or reappointed, by each administration.

 

The current White House Executive Pastry Chef is William Yosses

 

Fire him.

[phreakwars]

If you mean that it isn't a company, I'll agree, but it is government ran. It is owned and controlled by the government.

But it does not get any tax payer subsidies what so ever. It hasn't since the Reagan years.

 

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[ImWithStupid]

But it does not get any tax payer subsidies what so ever. It hasn't since the Reagan years.

 

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Only if you believe that borrowing money from the Treasury (which is broke and is taxpayer money) somehow not being subsidized by the government.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Will-Obama-create-the-Post-Office-of-health-care_-90701679.html

[phreakwars]

Trying to predict the future again I see.

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[ImWithStupid]

Trying to predict the future again I see.

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Me and the GAO...

 

[attach=full]2764[/attach]

 

 

www.gao.gov/new.items/d10191t.pdf

 

 

We're a bunch of lyin' bastids.

[phreakwars]

So I'm curious... is the P.O. the "BIG GOVERNMENT" the tea baggers are protesting about?

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[snafu]

I assume you mean the USPS, not UPS.

 

BTW, The USPS, is technically, NOT a government ran company... LOOK IT UP!!

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No he was right the first time. .

Edited April 2, 2016 by rem

[phreakwars]

http://www.ydr.com/ci_14881176 :blink:

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Me and the GAO...

 

[attach=full]2765[/attach]

 

 

www.gao.gov/new.items/d10191t.pdf

 

 

We're a bunch of lyin' bastids. .

 

 

Arggg......

Edited April 2, 2016 by rem

[ImWithStupid]

So I'm curious... is the P.O. the "BIG GOVERNMENT" the tea baggers are protesting about?

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How the fukk would I know? I was just pointing out your "misleading" or "misinformed" claims.

 

I posted what I would do first. There would be much to follow.

 

As for the USPS, other than do what can be done to make it more efficient, the US Constitution says the Congress is in charge of having a post office. Without a Constitutional amendment, not sure what else can be done.

[phreakwars]

Hey, I'm just trying to stay on topic here.

 

I have seen all kinds of protest videos with teabaggers complaining about "BIG GOVERNMENT".

 

Just wanna get to the bottom of what "BIG GOVERNMENT is, that they are all complaining about.

 

Evidently, the teabaggers have lowered themselves to attack the postmen too, as evidenced by this link: http://www.ydr.com/ci_14881176

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[ImWithStupid]

Hey, I'm just trying to stay on topic here.

 

I have seen all kinds of protest videos with teabaggers complaining about "BIG GOVERNMENT".

 

Just wanna get to the bottom of what "BIG GOVERNMENT is, that they are all complaining about.

 

Evidently, the teabaggers have lowered themselves to attack the postmen too, as evidenced by this link: http://www.ydr.com/ci_14881176

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If that's "ALL" you were doing, why would you go off on the false tangent about the post office not being government controlled or taking taxpayer subsidies?

[phreakwars]

Because were talking about peoples jobs here.. or does that fact elude you? USPS is one of those hybrid companies, yes controlled by government, but NOT tax payer funded. And like I said, it hasn't taken subsidies since Reagan.. I mean, you can go ahead and post all the pretty pictures you want about how in the tank the PO is, but that's besides the point... they are STILL not subsidized.

 

Hugo mentioned getting rid of them... for what reason? Is he (and you) saying "WELL THEY MIGHT NEED A BAIL OUT... ELIMINATE THEM"?

 

How about all the other .gov agency's that were mentioned.. HUD, Dept. of Education, Dept of Agriculture?

 

Why are these so wasteful that they need to put literally millions of people in the unemployment line?

 

Are these programs "big government" too?

 

Like I said, I just want to get an idea of what "BIG GOVERNMENT" really is.

 

Perhaps, by someone else's reasoning, we have no need for county investigators either. Another job that could be eliminated and send some people to the unemployment line... why can't the police/deputy's do their own detective work?

 

Evidently Colorado Springs thought it was a great idea and eliminated their's to save money. What makes THAT job so important?

 

It's way too easy to say... yeah, lets get rid of this and that and these guys... but like I said... your talking about jobs just as much as your talking about waste.

 

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[ImWithStupid]

Because were talking about peoples jobs here.. or does that fact elude you? USPS is one of those hybrid companies, yes controlled by government, but NOT tax payer funded. And like I said, it hasn't taken subsidies since Reagan.. I mean, you can go ahead and post all the pretty pictures you want about how in the tank the PO is, but that's besides the point... they are STILL not subsidized.

 

You really do just read what you want to read. The chart showed that there were billions of dollars of deficits, payed by the taxpayer, in 2007 and 2008 and projected same substantially more in 2009.

 

 

Hugo mentioned getting rid of them... for what reason? Is he (and you) saying "WELL THEY MIGHT NEED A BAIL OUT... ELIMINATE THEM"?

 

How about all the other .gov agency's that were mentioned.. HUD, Dept. of Education, Dept of Agriculture?

 

Why are these so wasteful that they need to put literally millions of people in the unemployment line?

 

Are these programs "big government" too?

 

My suggestions wouldn't put every employee on the unemployment line. Many would lose their jobs.

 

Like I said, I just want to get an idea of what "BIG GOVERNMENT" really is.

 

Perhaps, by someone else's reasoning, we have no need for county investigators either. Another job that could be eliminated and send some people to the unemployment line... why can't the police/deputy's do their own detective work?

 

Evidently Colorado Springs thought it was a great idea and eliminated their's to save money. What makes THAT job so important?

 

It's way too easy to say... yeah, lets get rid of this and that and these guys... but like I said... your talking about jobs just as much as your talking about waste.

 

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Not sure what you're getting at. First off we were talking about federal agencies.

 

Secondly, if you are trying to make some kind of jab at my job, I'm just a Deputy assigned to Investigations. Never got any kind of pay raise or promotion for my job. I carry out all the duties of a uniformed officer except do traffic control. If you're trying to suggest that I'd be hurt by only having to deal with day to day calls and traffic and not rapes, burglaries, deaths, frauds, embezzlement, major drug enforcement, CPS, robberies, etc... for the same pay as the average Deputy, like I get now... Lead the charge. Bring it on.

 

I have a sense of duty to my community that drives me to do more serious and in depth cases than the average Deputy. Something I'm sure you wouldn't understand.

 

Let's see, responsible for investigating rapes, or mailbox murders for the same pay. You decide.

[phreakwars]

You really do just read what you want to read. The chart showed that there were billions of dollars of deficits, payed by the taxpayer, in 2007 and 2008 and projected same substantially more in 2009.

The chart is wrong, plain and simple.. If it was "PAYED BY THE TAXPAYER" it would have been paid by rate increase, not by a tax increase.

 

 

 

 

My suggestions wouldn't put every employee on the unemployment line. Many would lose their jobs.

And destroy our economy more.

 

 

 

Not sure what you're getting at. First off we were talking about federal agencies.

No, were talking about Government

 

Secondly, if you are trying to make some kind of jab at my job, I'm just a Deputy assigned to Investigations. Never got any kind of pay raise or promotion for my job. I carry out all the duties of a uniformed officer except do traffic control. If you're trying to suggest that I'd be hurt by only having to deal with day to day calls and traffic and not rapes, burglaries, deaths, frauds, embezzlement, major drug enforcement, CPS, robberies, etc... for the same pay as the average Deputy, like I get now... Lead the charge. Bring it on.

My point was, why is it you need to be assigned that duty? Why can't other deputy's pull equal weight?

 

I have a sense of duty to my community that drives me to do more serious and in depth cases than the average Deputy. Something I'm sure you wouldn't understand.

 

Let's see, responsible for investigating rapes, or mailbox murders for the same pay. You decide.

Isn't that kind of an insult to your co-workers who might feel the same about the effort they put into their jobs?

 

No, I'm not knocking you or your job personally, I'm just saying A: you are paid by tax payers because you are government, so why can't you be subject to the same scrutiny of "BIG GOVERNMENT" and B: EVERYBODY likes to feel they are doing there job with a little more commitment and drive then their co-workers... doesn't really matter what your career is. I.E. everybody thinks their special. Hey, it's human nature....but.... how is it, you can look at someone else's line of work, which might perhaps also be something paid for by tax payers, and say "WELL, THEY NEED TO GO, NOT REALLY NEEDED"

 

That's all I'm saying.

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[ImWithStupid]

The chart is wrong, plain and simple.. If it was "PAYED BY THE TAXPAYER" it would have been paid by rate increase, not by a tax increase.

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False claim on the government thing by the way. The majority of Tea Party Protests are against the federal government overreach, and are in support of the 10th Amendment. The opposition to state/local government may be by the same people, but under a different guise.

 

 

No. The USPS is running deficits, that it is getting money to cover, by getting loans from the Treasury, which is taxpayer revenue. It's either tax revenue, or borrowed money that will have to be paid back by taxpayers.

[phreakwars]

False claim on the government thing by the way. The majority of Tea Party Protests are against the federal government overreach, and are in support of the 10th Amendment. The opposition to state/local government may be by the same people, but under a different guise.

Ahh OK, so it's overreach and NOT big government.. NOW maybe we are getting somewhere.

 

So why then, are people not protesting the places that are asking for the over reach? Protesting Wall-street.

 

What was one of the complaints... the bailouts? Wow, all the companies, even GM have payed the money back.

 

Makes me wonder what the Teabaggers are gonna have for fuel... surely you can't complain about government takeover and socialism and big government and bailouts and tax payer money if the money has been returned (with interest).

 

Not that I wanna stick onto just the P.O. but would a P.O. bailout be so bad either?Even if they paid it back like the other bailed out companies did?

 

So again... what is all this "big government" bitch about? You can't fairly claim Obama has put us 13 trillion in debt that our grandchildren will have to pay back without acknowledging that 11 trillion of that was on the books before he was even elected.

 

You also can't claim he has expanded government while denying Bush expanded it more.

 

No I'm not playing a Republicans .vs Democrats game here, but I do need to ask.... why now?

 

Where were all the freedom loving patriots at when the economy was starting to tank a couple years ago? So Obama added 2 trillion more to an already 11 trillion dollar prob.. why all the bitching now? Why blame him for the huge debt? Why say he is overreaching when he hasn't?

 

I mean if "BIG GOVERNMENT" means more people inspecting our food to make sure it is safe, more policemen to patrol our streets, more mailmen to bring us our junk mail and bills, more investigators to help us solve crimes, more firemen to save our homes, and etc...etc... I have no problem with that.

 

You get what you pay for, but on the flip side, you get what you don't pay for.

 

So when I hear about "big government" that my tax dollars are being sucked from me to pay for. I have to wonder what I'm getting for that money.

 

Personally, the thought of big government doesn't bother me as much as the thought of wasteful government.

 

We hear about all the waste and pet projects all the time... what I wonder though.. is why the people who are earmarking the waste are never protested against.

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[ImWithStupid]

Ahh OK, so it's overreach and NOT big government.. NOW maybe we are getting somewhere.

 

So why then, are people not protesting the places that are asking for the over reach? Protesting Wall-street.

 

What was one of the complaints... the bailouts? Wow, all the companies, even GM have payed the money back.

 

Makes me wonder what the Teabaggers are gonna have for fuel... surely you can't complain about government takeover and socialism and big government and bailouts and tax payer money if the money has been returned (with interest).

 

Not that I wanna stick onto just the P.O. but would a P.O. bailout be so bad either?Even if they paid it back like the other bailed out companies did?

 

So again... what is all this "big government" bitch about? You can't fairly claim Obama has put us 13 trillion in debt that our grandchildren will have to pay back without acknowledging that 11 trillion of that was on the books before he was even elected.

 

You also can't claim he has expanded government while denying Bush expanded it more.

 

No I'm not playing a Republicans .vs Democrats game here, but I do need to ask.... why now?

 

Where were all the freedom loving patriots at when the economy was starting to tank a couple years ago? So Obama added 2 trillion more to an already 11 trillion dollar prob.. why all the bitching now? Why blame him for the huge debt? Why say he is overreaching when he hasn't?

 

I mean if "BIG GOVERNMENT" means more people inspecting our food to make sure it is safe, more policemen to patrol our streets, more mailmen to bring us our junk mail and bills, more investigators to help us solve crimes, more firemen to save our homes, and etc...etc... I have no problem with that.

 

You get what you pay for, but on the flip side, you get what you don't pay for.

 

So when I hear about "big government" that my tax dollars are being sucked from me to pay for. I have to wonder what I'm getting for that money.

 

Personally, the thought of big government doesn't bother me as much as the thought of wasteful government.

 

We hear about all the waste and pet projects all the time... what I wonder though.. is why the people who are earmarking the waste are never protested against.

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Why do you continue to only see what you want to. I said the P.O. is a Constitutional obligation.

 

The problem with bailouts is the same thing that happened in the depression. The government picks the winners and losers, harms advancement and as you liberals ought to respect, defies survival of the fittest. If the company is worth saving, it would be by another company. Just like JP Morgan Chase saved WaMu and Bear Stearns.

 

False claim on the national debt. It went from 5.7 to 9.8 Trillion after 8 years of Bush. Scheduled dept in 2010 is 14 Trillion. As much of an increase in two years under Obama as 8 years under Bush.

 

Expansion of government. Bush did too much. (I'd argue that he expanded it more) I said that then, Ill say it now. Obama has kept all the power gained under Bush and has gone into a sprint to aquire more. Where are all you guys on this? I was against it then, and I'm against the expansion now. How bout you lefties? You all don't care as long as your guy is in power.

 

Let me put it in perspective for you. Under Republicans the big cry was, "keep gov out of our bedroom", under the Dems, it's, "keep gov out of my car, my thermostat, my lunch box, my drink cup, my water usage, and every other room of my house, along with my bedroom."