Specter out, lol

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So the Republican turned Democrat who Obama took special care to say how much he would support Specter for re-election at the time he switches parties..........has found out Obama politics are not what you think they are, lol.

 

 

Obama seeing that no Democrat showed very much promise of winning the seat in the end made a political decision not to campaign for Specter as he originally promised. Obama saw that another canidate losing after he was campaigning for them would just destroy him so Obama decided not to help Specter when there was no way to win.......but what about integrity? What about doing what you promised to do?

 

 

Change? Or more of the same old partisan politics?

 

 

I just think it is funny as hell this idiot hitched his wagon to the Democrats and they deserted him

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I think it's funny as hell the Democrats seen right through this Democrat wannabe and chose a real progressive instead.

 

No room for DINOS here.

 

Democratic Underground members are cheering loudly today.

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[timesjoke]

I think it's funny as hell the Democrats seen right through this Democrat wannabe and chose a real progressive instead.

 

No room for DINOS here.

 

Democratic Underground members are cheering loudly today.

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You obviously never saw Specter's voting record, lol. Hes was a liberal for most of his career. Obama didn't campaign for the other guy either Bender, it had nothing to do with who was the greater progressive, it was all about the understanding that no Democrat can win that seat based on what Obama understands about the race so he refused to hitch his wagon to another failed campaign.

 

 

But how about integrity Bender?

 

Does it bother you at all that Obama made a promise and backed out of it? Is that really the kind of leadership you guys want?

[hugo]

I think it's funny as hell the Democrats seen right through this Democrat wannabe and chose a real progressive instead.

 

No room for DINOS here.

 

Democratic Underground members are cheering loudly today.

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Moderates in both parties are taking a beating. Bipartisanship is dead.

[phreakwars]

I think it's funny as hell the Democrats seen right through this Democrat wannabe and chose a real progressive instead.

 

No room for DINOS here.

 

Democratic Underground members are cheering loudly today.

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You obviously never saw Specter's voting record, lol. Hes was a liberal for most of his career. Obama didn't campaign for the other guy either Bender, it had nothing to do with who was the greater progressive, it was all about the understanding that no Democrat can win that seat based on what Obama understands about the race so he refused to hitch his wagon to another failed campaign.

 

 

But how about integrity Bender?

 

Does it bother you at all that Obama made a promise and backed out of it? Is that really the kind of leadership you guys want?

That's because Obama is a LIBERAL and I'm a progressive you MORON. No sense in trying to explain the difference to you, your convinced they are one in the same.

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[timesjoke]

 

Moderates in both parties are taking a beating. Bipartisanship is dead.

I support true bipartisanship but more often than not the only people giving up their possitions are the conservatives while the liberals end up getting everything they want, they just get it little baby steps at a time.

[ImWithStupid]

So the Republican turned Democrat who Obama took special care to say how much he would support Specter for re-election at the time he switches parties..........has found out Obama politics are not what you think they are, lol.

 

 

Not to get picky, but Specter was actually a Democrat, turned Republican, turned Democrat.

[phreakwars]

Makes me wonder if he'll try a run as an independent now. The guy obviously doesn't care about the people he represents, he just likes the position he holds.

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That's because Obama is a LIBERAL and I'm a progressive you MORON. No sense in trying to explain the difference to you, your convinced they are one in the same.

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What is the "REAL" difference when you all stick together for voting purposes anyway Bender? Your all voting Democrat, that is the one thing us Conservatives don't do, we have splintered groups so blinded by their search for 100% perfection they actually hurt instead of help conservative values in America, but their radical mindsets don't let them see that truth.

 

 

So, as far as legislation and voting is concerned, there is no difference between a liberal and a progressive, both want to control America with big government and both have as their main political objective as "social justice", all the other tiny pieces are meaningless to the political picture.

[phreakwars]

Progressives want big government?

 

Yep, you have no clue what the difference is, that's for certain.

 

Try reading this for starters Mr. Beck :

 

http://en.wikipedia....i/Progressivism

 

Particularly note this:

Yet progressives tend to be more concerned with environmentalism than mainstream liberals, and are often more skeptical of the government, positioning themselves as whistleblowers and advocates of governmental reform.

 

 

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[timesjoke]

Progressives want big government?

 

Yep, you have no clue what the difference is, that's for certain.

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How exactly do you redistribute wealth and give handouts without a big government behind you using it's power to take from one group to give to another Bender?

 

And Barack Obama has been called a progressive even by progressive groups.

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Wow, get a clue dude.

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[timesjoke]

Wow, get a clue dude.

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Exactly, get a clue, you can pretend all you want but the only way to enact things like universal healthcare (one of the main beliefs of the progressives) is to have an all powerful government to enact and run it. Everything you progressives want requires the power of a monster government entity to put it into place. Sure, at the same time all of you guys blog about not trusting government as a kind of camouflage but you know there is no way to do what you want to do without the force of the Federal Government behind you.

[phreakwars]

Yeah, you know all about what progressives want, yet can't tell the difference between a progressive and a liberal.

 

Your about a joke and a half.

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[timesjoke]

Yeah, you know all about what progressives want, yet can't tell the difference between a progressive and a liberal.

 

Your about a joke and a half.

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And your constant dodging and attempts to redirect attention away from the facts is even more of a joke.

 

You know what Bender, this is a great opportunity for you to prove me wrong and give some details of how you progressives enact the many "social justice" programs without increasing the size or power of Government, let's hear it, educate me and anyone else who may see your points and be turned to your ideas. Show me what you got, give specifics and how your going to pay for these things without big Government stealing more money from the people to give to other people? You do understand that the Government taking more from the private sector is still bigger Government right?

[phreakwars]

Perhaps you should go find out on your own before spewing what you think you might know about progressives. Try hanging out on Democratic Underground for a while, you might even learn the difference and see the divide.

 

BTW, it's LIBERALS who like big government and being cradled by big brother. But like I said, you have NO CLUE, so no use even trying with you, your convinced of what you read on right wing blogs and the Glenn Beck show.

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[timesjoke]

Perhaps you should go find out on your own before spewing what you think you might know about progressives. Try hanging out on Democratic Underground for a while, you might even learn the difference and see the divide.

 

BTW, it's LIBERALS who like big government and being cradled by big brother. But like I said, you have NO CLUE, so no use even trying with you, your convinced of what you read on right wing blogs and the Glenn Beck show.

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lol, more dodging and redirecting but not one answer, because you can't answer. Nice try with your attempt to say you don't want big brother but all progressives want things like government run healthcare, and that is as much big brother as you can ever get in one program.

 

 

 

I do know the difference, but it is like Joe Liberman, he was rejected by the Democrats, ran on his own as an independent, won and is "called" an independent but in reality is just as much a liberal as anyone else with the title Democrat. Progressives like to try and say their not the same as liberals but they share more than they are different and when it comes down to party politics, a progressive and a liberal will both sign the same bills like this healthcare bill that was signed.

 

 

 

From a conservative standpoint, there is absolutely no difference between a liberal and a progressive, both want to put the Government in control of more things (like government run free healthcare) and kill most private sector jobs. Both believe that at some point, making money is evil and once a person reaches that point of earning in their life, they should be stolen from and give that stolen money to what the Progressives and liberal both call disadvantaged. Both believe in the "man caused" global warming lie and want to punnish all humans everywhere for what they see as their contribution to that lie.

 

 

 

How about this Bender, name some things liberals want to do you would not support in any way, that is if you can........

[phreakwars]

Sure, Socialist company's, their pro-choice stance, drug control policy's, bigger government, immigration, education, the list goes on and on, but like I said, you have no clue, so point in even bothering.

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What you don't understand, is progressives are just a couple social policy's away from being Libertarians, left center fence sitters (notice I tend to agree with Hugo more then I disagree?), but in your very very tiny pea sized mind, progressives are more left the liberals. Hell, you even think Hugo (paleo-conservative Libertarian) is a liberal... I'd expect nothing less from a neo-con like you who has no clue what true Conservatism is.

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[hugo]

What you don't understand, is progressives are just a couple social policy's away from being Libertarians, left center fence sitters (notice I tend to agree with Hugo more then I disagree?), but in your very very tiny pea sized mind, progressives are more left the liberals. Hell, you even think Hugo (paleo-conservative Libertarian) is a liberal... I'd expect nothing less from a neo-con like you who has no clue what true Conservatism is.

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I'm a Goldwater conservative. Not many of us left.

[ImWithStupid]

Hell, you even think Hugo (paleo-conservative Libertarian) is a liberal... I'd expect nothing less from a neo-con like you who has no clue what true Conservatism is.

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I know it in no way has any kind of relationship to progressivism.

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Sure, Socialist company's, their pro-choice stance, drug control policy's, bigger government, immigration, education, the list goes on and on, but like I said, you have no clue, so point in even bothering.

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lol, no you only pretend to be against things when in reality your completely onboard witht hem, take the immegration example, you "SAY" you don't want the illegals here, but you fight against any attempt to directly identify and deport them. Your only wearing a different dress as a costume, in reality you want exactly the same things the liberals do.

 

 

 

And as far as hugo is concerned, you still refuse to understand basic english, I have said many times that hugo is a radical and the "results" of what he does is what helps the liberals, and the two of you agree on many things because that is the nature of radicals to respect each sides off the charts possitions as kindred souls.

 

 

 

A progressive wants the Government to impose "social justice", you can't snake out of that basic truth about progressives and that is why from a conservative possition, there is absolutely no difference between a progressive and a liberal. That is why you avoided my question about what new policies you want, and how you pay for them, and how you impliment them without big Government power, you know the answer to that very simple question is you can't.

 

 

If you want to play Robin Hood, your a liberal, you want to redistribute wealth by force of big Government Bender, so your a liberal, nuff said.

[hugo]

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! Barry Goldwater 1964 Republican nominee for President.

 

Think how much better off we would be if that radical had won and we had limited government and balanced budgets.

 

Moderate change can't get us out of the hole we have dug.

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Moderate change can't get us out of the hole we have dug.

We can dissagree on what person may or may not have been large or moderate change but how about this:

 

Moderate change would at least have stopped the digging on the hole, while your refusal to even support that meant the digging was increased ten fold. Your requirement of 'perfect or nothing' has given us nothing, and that nothing is taking us out of the pan and into the fire.

[hugo]

At some point we need to have radical believers in liberty to undo the damage done by radical believers in socialism.

 

Talk to Democrats about past Democratic Presidents and they will brag on FDR, brag on Truman, brag on Kennedy, brag on Clinton, brag on LBJ besides the war, they will even brag on Jimmy Carter. The reason, they were all socialists.

 

Talk to Republicans there is only one man they brag about a man who was considered too radical by many at the time to win an election. The only Republican President in recent times whose strongest political influence was the tenets of classical liberalism. The idea of individual liberty that inspired Reagan is a radical idea,