Bob is a racist

[timesjoke]

 

Oh my, you're just all over the place. And yes, unless illegals are using someone else's documents who are eligible or have naturalized children, I don't see how they are eligible for welfare. So moving on your "you just can't let yourself see the truth, because that truth is not what you want it to be." - funny how most people can say that of you.

 

Everyone, even eddo has tried to inform you that illegals still get welfare but your need to believe everyone is racist does not let you accept the truth Chi, I understand your feeling a great deal of connection and even sympathy for people of your race, I also feel bad for these people who are mostly just looking to improve their life but at the same time we have to understand there are limits to everything, we have reached the end of how many illegals we can support, the money is gone and we have to make tough decisions as to who we give priority to, Americans who need help or illegals who need help.

 

 

 

And why didn't you plan ahead for a better mother and wife for yourself before you are out judging and casting your inane, illogical, non-issue thinking on others?

 

I did what any human can do, we shared many interests including our faith, she got depressed, walked away from our faith and walked away from our marriage, sometimes people change, there is no real explanation for it but I do know that she rejected my requests for counseling and time to see if we could repair our marriage and find her a path back to God. She got pregnant by the other man, the other man died and only then did she make a attempt to come back but at that point she had already done irreparable damage to the marriage, without trust there is no basis of marriage.

 

 

All people make mistakes in life, I made a lot of them in my life and still do. Sharing what we learned from our mistakes is a good thing.

[hugo]

Why the hell do fat people mate? They know they gonna have unhealthy children that face constant ridicule.

[eddo]

Why the hell do fat people mate? They know they gonna have unhealthy children that face constant ridicule.

 

or black people during slavery?

 

 

Or Native Americans after whitey showed up?

 

 

Or people from Poland? Haven't they heard the jokes?

 

 

Or blondes??

 

 

THINK OF THE CHILDREN PEOPLE!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

 

 

 

 

...

[hugo]

If you are a racist scumbag do not expect people to treat you "fairly". There is no excuse for TJ. Scumbags should be given no respect, nor their ancestors to the tenth generation.

[Anna Perenna]

You wake up one day and you get ready for work, eat a light breakfast, and take your usual drive to start your day, never understanding that you are about to be transformed into a racist. While at work a down on their luck, hard working couple from Mexico breaks into your home and move in. When you come home after a long day you discover the couple cooking some food in your kitchen and you’re surprised. You attempt to talk to them but obviously they do not speak English so you call your next door neighbor because you know he speaks Spanish and after some time with them talking he turns to you and tells you that they are poor people who need your help and they will be living with you from now on……

 

You stand there not really believing what was just said and you tell your neighbor that these people can’t stay in your home, that you feel bad they have some hardships but you can’t take responsibility for their lives when you have your own problems to deal with. You neighbor looks at you funny, then says, “You know Bob, I didn’t know you were a racist�.

 

Suddenly you can feel a little uneasy and even a little angry, you wonder at how this guy can call you a racist just because you don’t want someone breaking into your home and living off you so you try to explain that this has nothing to do with race, your just not capable of taking responsibility for fixing the broken lives of strangers who break into your home. But that has your neighbor on the phone and before you know it, you now have 30 Latino people on your lawn with signs all calling you a racist.

 

“Bob is a racist� is chanted in your front lawn and your neighbor is sitting down to eat a meal with the people who have taken over your home while all you can do is ask yourself a question….�how did I become a racist?�

 

Feeling tired and mentally shredded you sit down in your favorite chair and as you start to watch the news, you hear a great commotion at the dinner table where your new ‘guests’ are eating their meal so you get up to see what is happening. As you enter the room your neighbor comes to you and says the wife is about to have a baby and you need to take her to the hospital, and just as you have them loaded up and start to drive away from what used to be your home, the neighbor leans over to you and says, “I hope you have insurance, your going to have to pay for the baby being born…..�.

 

I'm going to assume this story is used as an excuse for xenophobic Americans to justify their ultra-hard stances on immigration. These people might not technically be racists, but they are selfish and ridiculously fearful.

 

Bob's home in this story is supposed to represent the USA. Unfortunately no citizen "owns" the USA. It would be great if the narrator could stop trying to make us feel sorry for Bob, and instead make Bob so grateful for living in a bountiful home (that he didn't actually earn the right to live in - he was just lucky enough to be born there), that he wants to share it with the world.

 

Try to find a better analogy next time.

[ImWithStupid]

I'm going to assume this story is used as an excuse for xenophobic Americans to justify their ultra-hard stances on immigration. These people might not technically be racists, but they are selfish and ridiculously fearful.

 

Bob's home in this story is supposed to represent the USA. Unfortunately no citizen "owns" the USA. It would be great if the narrator could stop trying to make us feel sorry for Bob, and instead make Bob so grateful for living in a bountiful home (that he didn't actually earn the right to live in - he was just lucky enough to be born there), that he wants to share it with the world.

 

Try to find a better analogy next time.

 

In just a little defense of TJ. There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

Calling illegal immigrants undocumented workers is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.

[hugo]

There is one rational way to deal with illegal immigration; crack down on the employer. A coalition of pro-diversity Democrats and pro-business Republicans prevent that from happening.

 

One of the major problems with the states taking off where the feds have failed is it currently takes three years, or more, to deport an illegal alien who fights deportation. During this period the alien can legally work in the US. A greater influx of arrested illegals could make this period even longer.

[ImWithStupid]

[timesjoke]

There is one rational way to deal with illegal immigration; crack down on the employer. A coalition of pro-diversity Democrats and pro-business Republicans prevent that from happening.

 

And the Obama administration is also going after the Arizona law that targets employers for hiring illegals.

 

 

The vast majority of ilegals are not employed hugo, they are surviving on welfare programs so targeting just employers will not deal with the biggest problem.

 

 

 

One of the major problems with the states taking off where the feds have failed is it currently takes three years, or more, to deport an illegal alien who fights deportation. During this period the alien can legally work in the US. A greater influx of arrested illegals could make this period even longer.

 

The illegal must get busted before the three years (or more) can start, right now the feds are not trying to catch even 2% of the total illegals in America so your three year estimate is based on a broken system where the federal government refuses to actually do their job.

 

 

If the states start feeding new illegals into theur system it will force them to redesign the process to actually handle the kind of volumn of illegals that can make a difference to the problem, right now the INS is losing considerable ground to the illegal problem.

 

 

 

 

 

Anna,

 

You missed the biggest point that Bob does own his home in the sense that Bob is a tax paying American who is paying for the services (like welfare) that the illegal is living on. The billions of tax dollars President Obama talks about in emergency room care bills is a large degree caused by illegals who get free medical care and the taxpayers have to pay for it. We are all Americans, and us Americans have laws and rules as well as requirements to help pay for the services and care we receive, none of the illegals live under any kind of responsibility to America.

 

No other County in the world allows the kind of open border acceptence of illegals the way America does for Mexicans, not one. No other Country allows illegals to have free welfare and housing the way America does, at least not on this kind of scale.

 

Selfish Anna?

 

America has around 30 million illegals all getting welfare in one form or another, how many illegals does your Country support?

 

It all comes down to the money, we simply cannot afford to pay for these illegals anymore, the money is gone, our communities cannot pay their bills anymore and tax money is spent long before they ever get it in their hands. This has nothign to do with being selfish, this is about hurting our own families to help those who invaded America, broke our laws and are sucking out the life of every community they gather in, raise the crime rates, and are the key element in drug smuggling on that shared border with Mexico.

[ImWithStupid]

The vast majority of ilegals are not employed hugo, they are surviving on welfare programs so targeting just employers will not deal with the biggest problem.

 

 

 

America has around 30 million illegals all getting welfare in one form or another,

 

 

 

I'd like to see some facts, scientific or fact based evidence of these claims. I think this is another opinion trying to be passed off as fact.

[timesjoke]

The vast majority of ilegals are not employed hugo, they are surviving on welfare programs so targeting just employers will not deal with the biggest problem.

 

 

 

America has around 30 million illegals all getting welfare in one form or another,

 

 

 

I'd like to see some facts, scientific or fact based evidence of these claims. I think this is another opinion trying to be passed off as fact.

Well it is based on my memory but I will see if I can find the study I am talking about.

 

The point of the study was even with one illegal working, there are dependents like a wife and a couple kids who are not working, combine that with on average they are not working every day but are usually following seasonal work from place to place and while ready to work, can't work because the time is not right.

 

 

I believe it is reasonable to believe that especially in this climate that jobs are harder to find, not easier and that would make the issues for illegals to work harder as well.

 

 

 

Consider that even the San Francisco Board of Supervisors President David Chiu was asking for illegals to have the right to vote for school board elections because he says 1 in 3 parents of school age children are illegal immigrants. Even if the children are born in America while the parents are illegal, they still represent a massive burdon on the taxpayer to pay for things like their education and welfare programs while their parents are not contributing to the tax pool.

[Anna Perenna]

 

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

[hugo]

 

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

He's racist scum. Get's all his "facts" from white nationalist websites.

 

In ten to fifteen years the Republican Party will no longer be able to win a national election if his kind are not purged from the party.

[builder]

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Wasn't America an un-discovered wilderness found completely unoccupied Anna?

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

 

Hmmm, I was thinking I was the only one feeling this way. Thank-you.

[timesjoke]

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

And everyone also had to take care of themselves, work hard and many died not being able to adjust ot the new requirements for survival, the illegals are leeching off taxpayers to provide for their survival, a completely different situation.

 

My biggest problem with illegal immigration is how much it costs the taxpayer, look at how broke California is and a large part of that problem is how much they spend to support illegals.

 

 

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

 

UN-CHRISTIAN?

 

You obviously have no concept of what is or is not a Christian. What do you think, I have to turn a blind eye to an invasion that is bankrupting the Nation just to be seen as a Christian in your eyes?

 

Facts are facts no matter if they are negative or positive and the facts are clear that America is already broke, we are out of money and cannot afford to play "social justice" to the world. I don't care what color their skin is or what religion they follow, or what language they speak, all of that is irrelivent to the fact that we can no longer afford to support 30 million illegals on the backs of the taxpayers.

 

 

 

Your the bigot Anna, your so stuck on what you feel is "right" that you strike out at those who do not conform to your views, you make nasty accusations and call people names because you can't accept their right to have independent thought outside of your belief structure. I dissagree with people all the time, but I don't go to the extremes of hate like you and a couple other people here do Anna.

 

 

I guess the real difference between us is I respect your right to your opinions even if I don't agree with them, you have never afforded me the same respect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Out of curiosity I just took a fast look at some info about illegals in Australia and was pretty surprised at how many people there don't even want the Government to use the term "illegal immigrants", it seems the correct term is supposed to be "unauthorised arrivals".

 

 

So a huge stom of arguements are happening in that Country over what is estimated to be about 30,000 illegals and how much they are taking away from legal residents but Anna feels America should ignore 30 MILLION illegals?

 

I have to laugh at that, by the way Anna, you do know that your also an invader of Australia right? Why not go back to where you came from if you think that the current owners of a Country have no right to defend their current borders?

[wez]

 

Your the bigot Anna, your so stuck on what you feel is "right" that you strike out at those who do not conform to your views, you make nasty accusations and call people names because you can't accept their right to have independent thought outside of your belief structure. I dissagree with people all the time, but I don't go to the extremes of hate like you and a couple other people here do Anna.

 

 

Deja vu ..

 

Here's TJ's brand of Christianity..

We've made mistakes along the way, but that's no reason to start tearing up the best flag God ever gave to any country. ~ The Duke of Christianity

I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to the point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. ~ The Duke of Bigotry

Have you ever heard of some fellows who first came over to this country? You know what they found? They found a howling wilderness, with summers too hot and winters freezing, and they also found some unpleasant little characters who painted their faces. Do you think these pioneers filled out form number X6277 and sent in a report saying the Indians were a little unreasonable? Did they have insurance for their old age, for their crops, for their homes? They did not! They looked at the land, and the forest, and the rivers. They looked at their wives, their kids and their houses, and then they looked up at the sky and they said, "Thanks, God, we'll take it from here. ~ The Duke of Stupidity

God loves genocide, the American Flag, white skinned males, John Wayne, and Louis.. amen ~ Baby Jesus

 

[Chi]

 

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country. If you want to play that game (not you, but those with TJ's thinking.)

[Chi]

 

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country. If you want to play that game (not you, but those with TJ's thinking.)

[Chi]

sorry, double post

[hugo]

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country.

 

 

From the looks of ya I would say your country is Spain. <_<

[ImWithStupid]

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country. If you want to play that game (not you, but those with TJ's thinking.)

 

No. Most are descendants of Mexico/Central American native populations. Not from here. I'm 1/8th Cheyenne. I have more claim than any Guatemalan to this area. At least my people's land is incorporated in the borders of the US.

[hugo]

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country. If you want to play that game (not you, but those with TJ's thinking.)

 

No. Most are descendants of Mexico/Central American native populations. Not from here. I'm 1/8th Cheyenne. I have more claim than any Guatemalan to this area. At least my people's land is incorporated in the borders of the US.

http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/mexico_1824.htm

[Chi]

There is next to nobody in the US who has an ultra-hard stance on immigration.

 

There is a broad and majority opinion against "illegal immigration" or more appropriately, "illegal aliens".

 

Almost all those for tougher stance on immigration are for a better, expanded way to immigrate legally or expanded alien worker programs.

 

What about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and all the redneck freaks who think he's great?

 

The thing that really annoys me about this (bullshit) issue is that everyone who came over on the Mayflower was an illegal alien. Everyone "legal" living in America today, except for Native Indians, is a descendant of an 'illegal immigrant'.

 

Then, to add to the bullshit, you have bigots in denial like TJ who live to spread negative 'facts' about illegal immigrants to justify their own selfishness and hatred, and to try to breed it in others. How very UN-CHRISTIAN of him.

 

And TJ wonders why I can't stand him.

 

And not only that, but the "illegal aliens" who are being targeted now ironically are or are descendants of those Native Indians who were here first. If anything, everyone else should go back to their country. We are in our country. If you want to play that game (not you, but those with TJ's thinking.)

 

No. Most are descendants of Mexico/Central American native populations. Not from here. I'm 1/8th Cheyenne. I have more claim than any Guatemalan to this area. At least my people's land is incorporated in the borders of the US.

 

But they are from at least this continent. What about the Natives in the lands that used to belong to Mexico? - California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona (more irony), New Mexico, Texas, parts of Colorado, Kansas and Wyoming. Over 55% of the land that used to belong to Mexico. A lot of those Mexican people stayed in those lands and their descendants are still there.

[ImWithStupid]

No. Most are descendants of Mexico/Central American native populations. Not from here. I'm 1/8th Cheyenne. I have more claim than any Guatemalan to this area. At least my people's land is incorporated in the borders of the US.

http://www.emersonke...mexico_1824.htm

 

 

I was talking of current national borders. Most of those who were here, decendants of the tribes in the old Mexico/US area, never left. Those from the current border areas were that, from tribes in those areas.

 

That's why I said at least my people's land is within the current US borders.

[Chi]

 

 

From the looks of ya I would say your country is Spain. <_<

 

I don't know. Most people can't tell what the heck I am. I get all sorts of guesses.