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So, this "dumb Aussie" according to IWS, has no idea of the US/Mexico border issue?

 

Read this article

 

WASHINGTON – Mexican drug cartels operating in cities in the U.S. are buying up legitimate businesses to launder money and using some of the proceeds to win local mayoral and city council seats for politicians who can shape the policies and personnel decisions of their police forces, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who has led the fight to secure the U.S.-Mexico border and enforce the nation's immigration laws.

 

In his new book, "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security," Tancredo exposes what he has learned from meetings with law enforcement authorities regarding a concerted effort by the Mexican mafia and drug cartels to extend their corruptive influence in urban areas dominated by illegal alien populations.

 

Tancredo says some of these small cities have become hostile and dangerous places for legitimate law enforcement officials.

 

"The Tijuana-based Felix drug cartel and the Juarez-based Fuentes cartel began buying legitimate business in small towns in Los Angeles County in the early 1990s," he writes in his new book published by WND Books. "They purchased restaurants, used-car lots, auto-body shops and other small businesses. One of their purposes was to use these businesses for money-laundering operations. Once established in their community, these cartel-financed business owners ran for city council and other local offices. Over time, they were able to buy votes and influence in an effort to take over the management of the town. They wanted to create a comfort zone from which they could operate without interference from local law enforcement."

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It goes on and on. So, the question is, why is IWS denying it? It's been going on since Clint Eastwood was a boy.

 

Corruption and American-style "democracy" go hand-in-hand. That's probably why spreading it to new regions meets so much local resistance.

 

It has fukk-all to do with democracy, and everything to do with autocracy or plutocracy.

 

Put that in your peace-pipe and smoke it.

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So, this "dumb Aussie" according to IWS, has no idea of the US/Mexico border issue?

 

Read this article

 

WASHINGTON – Mexican drug cartels operating in cities in the U.S. are buying up legitimate businesses to launder money and using some of the proceeds to win local mayoral and city council seats for politicians who can shape the policies and personnel decisions of their police forces, according to Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who has led the fight to secure the U.S.-Mexico border and enforce the nation's immigration laws.

 

In his new book, "In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border and Security," Tancredo exposes what he has learned from meetings with law enforcement authorities regarding a concerted effort by the Mexican mafia and drug cartels to extend their corruptive influence in urban areas dominated by illegal alien populations.

 

Tancredo says some of these small cities have become hostile and dangerous places for legitimate law enforcement officials.

 

"The Tijuana-based Felix drug cartel and the Juarez-based Fuentes cartel began buying legitimate business in small towns in Los Angeles County in the early 1990s," he writes in his new book published by WND Books. "They purchased restaurants, used-car lots, auto-body shops and other small businesses. One of their purposes was to use these businesses for money-laundering operations. Once established in their community, these cartel-financed business owners ran for city council and other local offices. Over time, they were able to buy votes and influence in an effort to take over the management of the town. They wanted to create a comfort zone from which they could operate without interference from local law enforcement."

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It goes on and on. So, the question is, why is IWS denying it? It's been going on since Clint Eastwood was a boy.

 

Corruption and American-style "democracy" go hand-in-hand. That's probably why spreading it to new regions meets so much local resistance.

 

It has fukk-all to do with democracy, and everything to do with autocracy or plutocracy.

 

Put that in your peace-pipe and smoke it.

 

 

I said it's been worse starting about 20 years ago. What was about 20 years ago? The early 1990s, just like your article says. (didn't know 70 something year old Eastwood was a boy in the early 90s. Might want to crack a math book)

 

You all are the ones saying we shouldn't secure the border, but then you post an article about all the corruption from the Mexican drug cartels in US cities. :blink:

 

You read an article about a book some guy read and this makes you some kind of expert? Just a little bit of info for you, Tancredo is a whack job.

 

Also, what the hell is American style "democracy"? The US isn't a Democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.

 

That said, yes the cronie-capitalism is a huge problem. From both sides. With one you get it from big business and the other you get it from unions and Wall Street.

 

That's why I don't understand why the left blames drug violence on the border on drug users in the US, but constantly try to regulate away all the problems with banks, oil companies, Wall Street, to prevent lobbyists from having influence, but like the problem with border violence being with the end user, maybe they should realize that if the politicians weren't corruptable, there wouldn't be a need to regulate lobbyists.

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Has the "issue" suddenly exploded? Or has the build-up been gradual to the point where previous laissez-faire attitudes have evaporated?

 

 

This requires an essay type answer, Don't have time right now so let me give what I feel are the major reasons.

 

1) George W. Bush was liberal on immigration issues. This meant that the Republicans could not make a big issue on immigration without undermining a President of their party. They could not make it a wedge issue until they had a Democrat for Prez.

 

2) The recession, and slumping home values have left cities and states with huge budget shortfalls. A bogeyman must be found.

 

 

3) Increased drug related violence is crossing the borders.

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How does an illegal alien get to vote?

 

I've been of the opinion that the issue is more to do with there being no "checks and balances" on donations to election campaign funds. Silly me.

This is the problem with your trying to point your finger at America, you have no real concept of what is happening outside of what you "read". Your very socialist so it stands to reason your largest sources for information will reflect what you like to see so most likely your information is severely twisted to promote your socialist ideas, just like most of my sources tend to be conservative and business related.

 

There is a very long history of Liberals (socialists) who fight any move to make people show identification to vote, just flash a voter card and go in to vote. In these areas, any illegal can walk in and place a vote under any other persons name.

 

The "reform" that Obama and socialists want included amnesty with a fast tracked path to being a citizen, somewhere up to 20 million new Liberal voters would help them a lot Builder, not to mention all the currently legal hispanics like Chi who would blindly vote Liberal/socialist for the rest of their life as a reward for that action.

 

 

 

 

Yes, there has been a problem for a long time, but if we waste time and energy only looking in the past, we get more of the same 'non-action'. In the heare and now, Obama has defunded bills that would help, held back from sending help to the border, and refuses to discuss the real problems unless Republicans join him in an amnesty program for the illegals. That is a lot of direct action by the current President to be concerned. Trying to say Bush didn't fix it is no more than a weak excuse, I did not like what Bush did either, he did get a new bill signed into law though and it was Obama who killed it so only Obama is on record for directly making this situation worse.

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This requires an essay type answer, Don't have time right now so let me give what I feel are the major reasons.

 

Appreciate your candor, Hugo.

 

1) George W. Bush was liberal on immigration issues. This meant that the Republicans could not make a big issue on immigration without undermining a President of their party. They could not make it a wedge issue until they had a Democrat for Prez.

 

Sounds about right. Is there a "shadow" prez? Meaning the head of the party when that party is not in control?

 

2) The recession, and slumping home values have left cities and states with huge budget shortfalls. A bogeyman must be found.

 

Isn't this a direct outcome of the sub-prime mortgage fiasco, Hugo? Is there a scapegoat, except for the banks, of course, for the loose lending practices leading to the sub-prime collapse, prior to the global financial crisis?

 

3) Increased drug related violence is crossing the borders.

 

It's common knowledge in the psyche industry that substance abuse increases proportionately with financial insecurity. Strange but true. The more money worries we have, the more money we blow on..... well, on blow. Nose candy.

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I said it's been worse starting about 20 years ago. What was about 20 years ago? The early 1990s, just like your article says. (didn't know 70 something year old Eastwood was a boy in the early 90s. Might want to crack a math book)

 

Out of context. Eastwood westerns predate you and I.

 

You all are the ones saying we shouldn't secure the border, but then you post an article about all the corruption from the Mexican drug cartels in US cities. :blink:

 

I never ever said you should not secure the border. I have asked you and tj and eddo what method you would use to secure the border. RaE took my suggestion of landmines and walls and hit squads seriously, but that's RaE for you.

 

You read an article about a book some guy read and this makes you some kind of expert? Just a little bit of info for you, Tancredo is a whack job.

 

You conveniently jumped over the previous post, where your own people are up in arms about the corruption inherent in the funding of election campaigns. Just a little bit of info for you; Tancredo is a republican.

 

Also, what the hell is American style "democracy"? The US isn't a Democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.

 

America invades soveriegn nations with the motto of "spreading democracy". Nobody is buying it, because it is so obvious that your form of the word simply means spreading the disease that has infected your own politics. Corruptional Republic.

 

That said, yes the cronie-capitalism is a huge problem. From both sides. With one you get it from big business and the other you get it from unions and Wall Street.

 

Wall Street is big business. Unions are for the people.

 

That's why I don't understand why the left blames drug violence on the border on drug users in the US, but constantly try to regulate away all the problems with banks, oil companies, Wall Street, to prevent lobbyists from having influence, but like the problem with border violence being with the end user, maybe they should realize that if the politicians weren't corruptable, there wouldn't be a need to regulate lobbyists.

 

Read that back to yourself. Very slowly. If it makes sense to you, I'd be surprised.

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Wall Street is big business. Unions are for the people.

 

Unions "USED" to be about the people, now the officers of those Unions make way more money then the members do, it is big business itself and they weild a powerful force in Liberal politics. Even Obama gave the Unions massive consessions making them imune to the extra taxes for their "Cadillac" healthcare plans that the rest of Americans have to pay.

 

 

Today Unions are about raping everyone around them, bully tactics to force people to use their services over non-union entities, and controlling elections as much as possible.

 

 

But remember one basic economic fact, for every increase in benefits or pay a Union forces a company to pay, that means an increas in cost for the everyday goods and services to the general public, and that public "IS" the people of America, not the tiny few who work under the Union label and get special treatments that the rest of Americans don't get.

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You read an article about a book some guy read and this makes you some kind of expert? Just a little bit of info for you, Tancredo is a whack job.

 

You conveniently jumped over the previous post, where your own people are up in arms about the corruption inherent in the funding of election campaigns. Just a little bit of info for you; Tancredo is a republican.

 

Also, what the hell is American style "democracy"? The US isn't a Democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic.

 

America invades soveriegn nations with the motto of "spreading democracy". Nobody is buying it, because it is so obvious that your form of the word simply means spreading the disease that has infected your own politics. Corruptional Republic.

 

That said, yes the cronie-capitalism is a huge problem. From both sides. With one you get it from big business and the other you get it from unions and Wall Street.

 

Wall Street is big business. Unions are for the people.

 

That's why I don't understand why the left blames drug violence on the border on drug users in the US, but constantly try to regulate away all the problems with banks, oil companies, Wall Street, to prevent lobbyists from having influence, but like the problem with border violence being with the end user, maybe they should realize that if the politicians weren't corruptable, there wouldn't be a need to regulate lobbyists.

 

Read that back to yourself. Very slowly. If it makes sense to you, I'd be surprised.

 

I'm not up in arms about anything with the Citizen's United ruling. I think it was the right one as the law challenged was unconstitutional. The Democrats are whining because now the Repubs will be able to get the same kind of backing from business as the Dems have been getting an advantage from unions.

I know who Tancredo is. What does him being a Republican have to do with anything? I don't care if he's a Repub or a frakin' alien. He's a whack job. Unlike some, I don't just side by the party affiliation.

 

Amazing how you bash our system but don't even know what it is. (also amazing that if it's so horrible around the world, why it's the most envied country on the planet. Your own country, Europe and any other free world country wouldn't be sh1t today if you hadn't been able to live under the protective umbrella of our might for the last century)

 

There is a difference between big business and Wall Street. Big business is the corporations, Wall Street is the investment/brokerage firms and banks. You're living in a fantasy world if you think big unions in the US are for the people. They are for money and power.

 

It says the left tries to claim that the problem in the drug trade should be addressed at the end user, not the supplier, but with government corruption and lobbyist influence they go after the lobbyists/businesses/etc... but maybe they should follow their own argument on drugs and go after the end user. The corrupt politicians. They can't do that, because just like how Nancy P. is talking of relaxing the ethics rules in congress because her own party members keep getting caught violating them, the politicians would have to actually go after themselves.

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They can't do that, because just like how Nancy P. is talking of relaxing the ethics rules in congress because her own party members keep getting caught violating them, the politicians would have to actually go after themselves.

Now that was just a few words that spoke volumes Joe. Great point.

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I'm not up in arms about anything with the Citizen's United ruling. I think it was the right one as the law challenged was unconstitutional. The Democrats are whining because now the Repubs will be able to get the same kind of backing from business as the Dems have been getting an advantage from unions,

 

It's amazing. Where is all this horrible corporate influx into politics the Dems and the left claimed, after the Citizens United ruling? Looks like it's still the corrupt, strong arm, mafia type, unions trying to influence campaigns, by almost 3 to 1...

 

Unions outspending corporations on campaign ads despite court ruling

By T.W. Farnam

Wednesday, July 7, 2010; A04

Labor unions have dominated spending on independent campaign ads so far this election season, despite a recent Supreme Court decision that freed spending by corporations, a Washington Post analysis shows.

 

The findings are an indication that corporate money is not flooding into campaigns as many predicted would happen after the landmark decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

 

So far this year, $24.7 million in independent spending has been reported to the Federal Election Commission, campaign filings show. Unions have spent $9.7 million (or 39 percent of the total), compared with $6.4 million (26 percent) spent by individuals and $3.4 million spent by corporations.

 

 

http://www.washingto...0602133_pf.html

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But IWS, The Unions are for the people, certainly spending millions of Union member dues is well spent buying politicians so they can get the kind of sweet deals like the exemption from extra taxes on their healthcare the way 99% of other Americans have to pay.........right?

 

If you got those kinds of exceptions for your circle, would you think that is dues money well spent?

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I'm not up in arms about anything with the Citizen's United ruling. I think it was the right one as the law challenged was unconstitutional.

 

What you should be "up in arms" about is the fact that the link you provided was again full of shite. 200 dollars? Yeah, right. Pull this one, it plays Jingle Bells.

 

The Democrats are whining because now the Repubs will be able to get the same kind of backing from business as the Dems have been getting an advantage from unions.

 

Whaddya mean Now? It's been that way forever dude. For both teams. Build a bridge and get over it.

 

I know who Tancredo is. What does him being a Republican have to do with anything? I don't care if he's a Repub or a frakin' alien. He's a whack job. Unlike some, I don't just side by the party affiliation.

 

He's representative of the whole party. You back that party, don't you?

 

Amazing how you bash our system but don't even know what it is. (also amazing that if it's so horrible around the world, why it's the most envied country on the planet.

 

The whole world is s******ing behind your back. If you just read the news of other nations, you might get an insight into just how low the last administration dragged your collective image. Such a shame that you and yours are rubbishing the only man who can drag your collective arses back up into reality.

 

Your own country, Europe and any other free world country wouldn't be sh1t today if you hadn't been able to live under the protective umbrella of our might for the last century)

 

Read that back to yourself, you egotistical wee-wee. That's the attitude that has your nation hated worldwide. The tiny little nation of Australia has saved your arse more times than we care to count. And if our forces had the choice, we'd not be shouldering arms anywhere near your trigger-happy grunts in any kind of conflict.

 

There is a difference between big business and Wall Street. Big business is the corporations, Wall Street is the investment/brokerage firms and banks. You're living in a fantasy world if you think big unions in the US are for the people. They are for money and power.

 

Well that sucks for you then, don't it?

 

It says the left tries to claim that the problem in the drug trade should be addressed at the end user, not the supplier, but with government corruption and lobbyist influence they go after the lobbyists/businesses/etc...

 

Why would the establishment chase its own tail?

 

but maybe they should follow their own argument on drugs and go after the end user. The corrupt politicians. They can't do that, because just like how Nancy P. is talking of relaxing the ethics rules in congress because her own party members keep getting caught violating them, the politicians would have to actually go after themselves.

 

Like I just said.

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He's representative of the whole party. You back that party, don't you?

 

This kind of garbage is why we give you some heat for being uninformed or just plain brainwashed into not seeing reality.

 

 

Ron Paul for example runs as a Republican, even ran for President as a Republican, but he is not a Republican, if anything he is a Libertarian but he is also not stupid, Paul knows if he registered and campaigned as a Libertarian he could not possibly get elected outside of the small office he now holds for his State.

 

 

Do you agree with everything said by people in your political circles Builder?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole world is s******ing behind your back. If you just read the news of other nations, you might get an insight into just how low the last administration dragged your collective image. Such a shame that you and yours are rubbishing the only man who can drag your collective arses back up into reality.

 

North Korea and Iran both stepped up their nuclear threats once Obama showed he was very weak, Russia and China have both took stronger stands on the security council against us and most the world has seen Obama bow to the Saudi King, no my friend, Obama has not improved International relations at all and has actually made us weaker and less respected from his fear of taking action.

 

 

 

Read that back to yourself, you egotistical wee-wee. That's the attitude that has your nation hated worldwide. The tiny little nation of Australia has saved your arse more times than we care to count. And if our forces had the choice, we'd not be shouldering arms anywhere near your trigger-happy grunts in any kind of conflict.

 

Battle of the Coral Sea May 4 - 10, 1942

 

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Not sure why I'm responding to this ignorant wee-wee, seeing as how I made this post for IWS, but they seem to be tag-teaming to keep up. So it's red text for this one.

 

 

He's representative of the whole party. You back that party, don't you?

 

This kind of garbage is why we give you some heat for being uninformed or just plain brainwashed into not seeing reality.

You avoided the first half of my post. Why? Any representative of your party of choice is your party. Why are you now turncoating on your own party?

 

Ron Paul for example runs as a Republican, even ran for President as a Republican, but he is not a Republican, if anything he is a Libertarian but he is also not stupid, Paul knows if he registered and campaigned as a Libertarian he could not possibly get elected outside of the small office he now holds for his State.

 

 

Do you agree with everything said by people in your political circles Builder?

 

 

Do you? Or do you read what they say, and then deride them, despite the fact that they are politicising under the same banner that you are?

 

 

The whole world is s******ing behind your back. If you just read the news of other nations, you might get an insight into just how low the last administration dragged your collective image. Such a shame that you and yours are rubbishing the only man who can drag your collective arses back up into reality.

 

North Korea and Iran both stepped up their nuclear threats once Obama showed he was very weak, Russia and China have both took stronger stands on the security council against us and most the world has seen Obama bow to the Saudi King, no my friend, Obama has not improved International relations at all and has actually made us weaker and less respected from his fear of taking action.

I'll interpret that for the people: More scare tactics of the fear and awe variety. Start stockpiling basic supplies because the RED PERIL is alive and well again. Thank-you for your attention. Regular programming will continue as soon as you genuflect to the stars and stripes.

 

Read that back to yourself, you egotistical wee-wee. That's the attitude that has your nation hated worldwide. The tiny little nation of Australia has saved your arse more times than we care to count. And if our forces had the choice, we'd not be shouldering arms anywhere near your trigger-happy grunts in any kind of conflict.

 

Battle of the Coral Sea May 4 - 10, 1942

 

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Way cute dude. If that is the best you can do, give up right about now.

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Not sure why I'm responding to this ignorant wee-wee, seeing as how I made this post for IWS, but they seem to be tag-teaming to keep up. So it's red text for this one.

 

If you want to have a private conversation we have something called a private message system, if you post your uninformed garbage on the open forum, your inviting every member here to comment on it.

 

And why are you still tossing childish insults? "wee-wee"? Sounds like your mind is on something else.

 

 

 

 

You avoided the first half of my post. Why? Any representative of your party of choice is your party. Why are you now turncoating on your own party?

 

We don't have kings and queens in America, nobody represents "ALL" of a Party or "ALL" the members of that party.

 

 

 

 

Do you? Or do you read what they say, and then deride them, despite the fact that they are politicising under the same banner that you are?

 

 

More dodging of direct questions Builder?

 

You slam anyone else who dodges a direct question but in thread after thread you get asked questions your too scared to answer, I wonder why?

 

I asked you if you agreed with everything political figures said in your circles, now why can't you answer that question?

 

 

 

Because if you answered honestly, you would say no, that sometimes you don't agree with everything but here you are trying to tell us we have to agree with everything someone running under the party of Republican says? Your really showing that you have no intention of having reasonable or honest debates and your instead just being a blind mouthpiece for the socialist agenda.

 

 

 

I'll interpret that for the people: More scare tactics of the fear and awe variety. Start stockpiling basic supplies because the RED PERIL is alive and well again. Thank-you for your attention. Regular programming will continue as soon as you genuflect to the stars and stripes.

 

You will be the guy to interpret?

 

That is the problem with you socialists, you always believe the masses need your instruction and guidance to survive. I mentioned facts, you want to divert attention away from those facts by pretending like they do not exist. Well many of us don't need you to tell us what reality is my friend, we can see it for ourselves.

 

 

Battle of the Coral Sea May 4 - 10, 1942

 

 

 

Way cute dude. If that is the best you can do, give up right about now.

 

Give up, yes, that is exactly what your Country would have been forced to do without the help of Americans to save you. The battle of the Coral Sea was just one example of why you owe America for your freedom today, and yet you can't bring yourself to admit it now can you?