Bob is a racist

[RegisteredAndEducated]

double post.. oops

[RegisteredAndEducated]

No, no, but that's the thing. This isn't personally affecting you or your family. You should always lock your doors anyway. Who's mess are you personally cleaning? And if you take a gun with you wherever you go, you either did something, are very paranoid or are kind of a coward imo...

 

It is personally effecting me and my family and my neighbors and every tax paying American. We shouldn't have to lock our doors, and I know LOTS of people who NEVER lock their doors.

I have a cousin who just moved form AZ to Iowa... she moved because she lived very close to the border, and she was tired of cleaning up the garbage that the worthless illegals left all over her property. And it's my 2nd amendment right (and I have a conceal/carry permit) to carry my gun wherever I want (within the confines of the law). So why shouldn't I? I'm not ashamed of anything, I haven't broken any laws, and I am not a coward... You tell me why I SHOULDN'T carry my weapon.

 

 

 

Oh my... Why are we going thru such extremes? Please stay logical and give me something viable and realistic. Does this happen to you? Or the average American in America?

 

This happens in America. Not to the average American, but if it happens to 1, or 2, then why shouldn't we be concerned?

 

 

 

All tax payers pay for this. The drugs comming effect us all and I protect my neighbor as I would have them protect me IE: AZ are my neighbors. Extremes? Ok how about one person coming through your yard a day? How about one dead body a year? Would that be better?

 

agreed

 

 

 

I can guarantee most tax dollars are going to Americans on welfare and not illegals. As far as drugs, if there wasn't a demand, it wouldn't be an issue. I still have never had an illegal camp out on my yard or croak on my yard, not once a year nor ever.

 

how can you guarantee that? How many illegals do you know? Illegal aliens (as I believe was posted on one of the threads here recently) DO receive welfare benefits and free school, and free lunch, and billions of dollars of other tax-payer funded programs, which they do not pay into btw.

 

How can you guarantee that without having to support them, that the economy wouldn't be as bad as it is.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

How would you feel if you had 1,200 people walking through your yard daily? how bout finding dead bodies in your yard? Would you let your kids play in that yard?

 

Oh my... Why are we going thru such extremes? Please stay logical and give me something viable and realistic. Does this happen to you? Or the average American in America?

 

All tax payers pay for this. The drugs comming effect us all and I protect my neighbor as I would have them protect me IE: AZ are my neighbors. Extremes? Ok how about one person coming through your yard a day? How about one dead body a year? Would that be better?

 

she doesn't get the analogy.

 

I can guarantee most tax dollars are going to Americans on welfare and not illegals. As far as drugs, if there wasn't a demand, it wouldn't be an issue. I still have never had an illegal camp out on my yard or croak on my yard, not once a year nor ever.

 

 

well lucky you.

[hugo]

48 illegal aliens every day marry an ugly American who would have never even got laid otherwise.

[timesjoke]

 

 

People that have a problem with immigrants do so because they are bigoted and are afraid of their numbers and prevalance, not because anyone is taking anything away from them.

 

 

Wow!

I think that statement just embedded the point TJ was getting at with this thread. That was a terrible accusation! I resent being even considered a bigot!

Everybody is invited to camp out at Chi’s house! I want sausage and eggs for my breakfast Chi or I’m eating your dog!

 

Finally someone said it, thank you very much snaf, I was wondering if there was one other person on this board who would actually pin her down on this.

 

 

 

 

Chi actually proves why we can't fix this massive problem, she is more concerned with race than the laws of the land. To Chi all that seems to matter is that the invasion of America is being done by people who look like her, it is Chi who is stuck on race, she does not want the law enforced "only" because these are fellow Hispanics. I do not believe for a second that she would want higher taxes if suddenly 12 million Japanese people invaded America to squat and get on welfare.

 

 

We just have to look at the facts of Chi's arguements, she refuses to accept that they do get all forms of welfare, Chi refuses to admit they do have their many kids in our schools and she downplays the crime rates and drug trafficking the Mexicans conduct over our border. Chi also refuses to see that the "AMERICANS" on the border and living in border States do live in fear, do have thousands of illegals walking through their land and leaving trash to include dead bodies.

 

 

So far the only defense Chi has offered to allowing illegals to stay and continue crossing into America is that everyone who does not want this is a racist.....................

[hugo]

Them invaders don't look like Chi. She whiter than I am.

[Chi]

48 illegal aliens every day marry an ugly American who would have never even got laid otherwise.

 

See, there you go! Why can't you guys look at the bright side like Hugo!lol

[Chi]

Them invaders don't look like Chi. She whiter than I am.

 

hangs head in shame

[hugo]

48 illegal aliens every day marry an ugly American who would have never even got laid otherwise.

 

See, there you go! Why can't you guys look at the bright side like Hugo!lol

They're haters.

[hugo]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

[snafu]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

 

 

Nice feel good story. I'm glad it turned out well and I'm glad we have good people all over the world. Still doesn't change the fact that we need to secure the boarder.

[timesjoke]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

 

 

Nice feel good story. I'm glad it turned out well and I'm glad we have good people all over the world. Still doesn't change the fact that we need to secure the boarder.

 

Well said snaf, how many people die because of the drug trade that also comes out of Mexico? I am very happy for this child, and I have already admitted that many of the people comming our of Mexico are not "evil" but the fact remains that they are illegal and breaking our laws, they are sucking the blood right out of our Nation and growing like a cancer out of control.

 

 

As I said to Chi, if 12 million Japanese people suddenly appeared illegally, would she volunteer for higher taxes to "help" them stay? Somehow I doubt she would. I know I wouldn't.

 

 

The real problem is all our communities are broke, we can't afford trillions of tax dollars in welfare and other free services (such as schools) and sooner or later we will have to face this fact. Sooner means less pain for everyone, later means more pain.

[timesjoke]

While you have to go back to 2007 for that nice warm story, let's look back just a few days to see a truly hart warming story about the success of our system:

 

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Investigators-Edmonds-rape-suspect-deported-nine-times-94637479.html

 

by CHRIS INGALLS / KING 5 News

 

KING5.com

 

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 8:16 PM

 

Updated Thursday, May 27 at 2:35 PM

 

 

EDMONDS, Wash. – The KING 5 Investigators have learned that an illegal immigrant accused of raping a woman in Edmonds Sunday has been deported nine times. That's much more than previously reported.

 

Immigrations and Customs Enforcement won't comment on the case of Jose Lopez Madrigal. But KING 5 got the information through confidential sources and documents.

 

Larry Klein was the man who heard the alleged victim's cries for help. Police say the suspect pulled the woman off the street to a dumpster and raped her.

 

"I could see the back of his head. I could see his pants were down. I could see her lying on the ground. I could hear her crying, but I couldn't really see her face," said Klein.

 

Klein called police, who quickly arrested the suspect. But learning his identity took much longer because of some 30 aliases. It was only through fingerprints that they identified him as Madrigal, a Mexican citizen.

 

Madrigal's arrest and immigration record includes a staggering number of contacts with law enforcement since 1989. That's the year he was convicted of theft using a firearm in California.

 

He was deported a couple of times after that. Then in 1999, he was arrested for drug sales in both San Diego and San Francisco. Records show that he was deported three times that year between April and August.

 

He was arrested for drugs again in Stockton, Calif. in 2000. In 2002, he pleaded to third degree sexual assault in Denver. Later that year, he was deported again. And in 2003, records show he was deported three more times.

 

People who live near the scene of Sunday's alleged rape wonder how it could keep happening.

 

"Makes you wonder, what are we doing wrong? How is he getting back in here?" said Kirby Aumick.

 

"It’s troubling. I mean, if this man should not have been in this country, he should have been behind bars then, really, this is a senseless tragedy," said Klein.

 

According to our sources, Madrigal's last contact before Sunday was around 2003. So, it's not clear how much of that time Madrigal was in this country.

 

Immigration and Customs Enforcement has refused to comment on the case which started making national headlines when it was learned that Madrigal had been deported several times prior to the Edmonds case.

 

In reviewing records and talking with confidential sources, the KING 5 Investigators learned just how extensive Madrigal’s immigration and arrest record is.

 

They found he was first deported in California in 1989 and since then he’s returned from his Mexican homeland and been arrested for drug crimes, a sex assault in Colorado and other offenses.

 

One criminal justice source says Madrigal is a "poster boy" for the federal governments ineffectiveness at keeping the most serious "criminal aliens" – illegals who commit crimes – out of the United States.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Idk who was giving negatives on snaf and tj's posts... and you're entitled to your opinion... but those guys are right. nice feel good story hugs... but that doesn't make it right. illegal is still illegal.

[Chi]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

 

 

Nice feel good story. I'm glad it turned out well and I'm glad we have good people all over the world. Still doesn't change the fact that we need to secure the boarder.

 

Well said snaf, how many people die because of the drug trade that also comes out of Mexico? I am very happy for this child, and I have already admitted that many of the people comming our of Mexico are not "evil" but the fact remains that they are illegal and breaking our laws, they are sucking the blood right out of our Nation and growing like a cancer out of control.

 

 

As I said to Chi, if 12 million Japanese people suddenly appeared illegally, would she volunteer for higher taxes to "help" them stay? Somehow I doubt she would. I know I wouldn't.

 

 

The real problem is all our communities are broke, we can't afford trillions of tax dollars in welfare and other free services (such as schools) and sooner or later we will have to face this fact. Sooner means less pain for everyone, later means more pain.

 

The Japapanese are also very hard working, disciplined & intelligent, so they would be welcomed. And because they usually are all of those things, they really wouldn't need much money besides their own to be self sustainable.

[Chi]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

 

Let's not forget this one that happened recently either: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/04/migrant_intervened_to_save_ass.html

 

Point is, just like every other type of person, yes there are immigrants that commit crimes, mooch off the system etc., there are a lot more that contribute, do good and are self-sustainable.

[RegisteredAndEducated]

Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy, 9, in Arizona Desert

Friday, November 23, 2007

 

 

PrintShareThisPHOENIX — A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

 

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

 

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

 

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

 

The woman died a short time later.

 

"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.

 

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

 

"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.

 

"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."

 

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

 

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

 

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

 

"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said.

 

Let's not forget this one that happened recently either: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/04/migrant_intervened_to_save_ass.html

 

Point is, just like every other type of person, yes there are immigrants that commit crimes, mooch off the system etc., there are a lot more that contribute, do good and are self-sustainable.

then they should do it legally...

[timesjoke]

Idk who was giving negatives on snaf and tj's posts... and you're entitled to your opinion... but those guys are right. nice feel good story hugs... but that doesn't make it right. illegal is still illegal.

Chi and emkay have been running around giving me negative rep on all my posts recently, I lost over a hundred rep points because the system let's them vote over and over again abusing the system.

 

I don't really care though, just another example of how you have to be politically correct or the liberals will try to punnish you any way they can.

 

 

 

 

Chi, do you have any idea how many people are out of work right now?

 

It does not matter how hard working these people are, there are no jobs for them to get, so almost all the illegals are out of work and adding 12 million more will hjust mean 12 million added to the welfare list.

 

 

 

We are broke, do you have any concept of that fact? The most understanding of all States for illegals is California, care to guess what state is the most borke and can't pay their bills?

 

 

Yep, California, I feel bad for anyone who is looking for a better life, but I also have the ability to see when we have already extended ourselves beyond the ability to pay for these refugees from other Countries who cannot support themselves. For every one working there are at least 4 to 5 who are not working, and the one who is working is doing so under the table so they pay no taxes while draining services more than any group in America.

 

 

Something must be done.

[emkay64]

Maybe we should all move to Mexico! But I don't much like BP oil on my shrimp.

 

TJ I can only neg you one time per post...believe me I've tried! If you have been negged multiples..well..more people find your rhetoric neg worthy as well.

[Chi]

Idk who was giving negatives on snaf and tj's posts... and you're entitled to your opinion... but those guys are right. nice feel good story hugs... but that doesn't make it right. illegal is still illegal.

Chi and emkay have been running around giving me negative rep on all my posts recently, I lost over a hundred rep points because the system let's them vote over and over again abusing the system.

 

I don't really care though, just another example of how you have to be politically correct or the liberals will try to punnish you any way they can.

 

 

 

 

Chi, do you have any idea how many people are out of work right now?

 

It does not matter how hard working these people are, there are no jobs for them to get, so almost all the illegals are out of work and adding 12 million more will hjust mean 12 million added to the welfare list.

 

 

 

We are broke, do you have any concept of that fact? The most understanding of all States for illegals is California, care to guess what state is the most borke and can't pay their bills?

 

 

Yep, California, I feel bad for anyone who is looking for a better life, but I also have the ability to see when we have already extended ourselves beyond the ability to pay for these refugees from other Countries who cannot support themselves. For every one working there are at least 4 to 5 who are not working, and the one who is working is doing so under the table so they pay no taxes while draining services more than any group in America.

 

 

Something must be done.

 

The economy is not the way it is because of illegals. It is the way it is because of the mismanagement and greed of corrupt politicians and corporate heads. Also because of this war. So let's not use a group of people as a scapegoat, which really is a minuscle cause of the greater picture and problem. Why not focus on the greater problem which really is and has caused the greatest effect?

 

And don't worry, the state of affairs and the economy is certainly driving a lot of these dirty unwanted illegals out of this country and away from your sight.

[timesjoke]

Maybe we should all move to Mexico! But I don't much like BP oil on my shrimp.

 

TJ I can only neg you one time per post...believe me I've tried! If you have been negged multiples..well..more people find your rhetoric neg worthy as well.

You hit every post in the thread as a 'punnishment' for me not agreeing with you, one would suffice but you can't just stop at one now can you?

 

As I said, I expect that kind of behavior out of you guys so each time you go through every post hitting negatives you actually reinforce what I know to be true about the liberal mind. Thanks for helping out on my living case study, lol.

 

 

 

Me, I expesss my opinions of your posts with words and to your face like a man and conservative, you can slink around in the ditches if you like, lol.

[emkay64]

No..I neg you because you bore me, or your tone is irritating. You aren't politically incorrect..that I can handle, same as a differing point of view...I just find you patronizing and stunted, narcissistic, and hypocritical.

[emkay64]

You are a conservative in the hypocritical sense. You calling me a liberal is just fine coming from someone as uneducated as you. Oh yes..and my liberal ass just negged you again. I wonder if you can get negative rep?

[timesjoke]

 

The economy is not the way it is because of illegals.

 

Never said it was, sure they are part of the blame too because their illegal activities in bringing in almost half the illegal drugs into America certainly added to the problem, but I never said illegals were all of the problem.

 

 

 

It is the way it is because of the mismanagement and greed of corrupt politicians and corporate heads.

 

Don't forget the average person who got the bad loans were buying homes they had no business trying to buy and that is why when the interest rates went up, the payments doubled and people could not afford the payments because they were already over extended. Most of these bad loans were not for basic homes, they were for homes that the people buying them could only make the payments because the interest rates were bottomed out, even half a point increase would drive the home out of their payrange.

 

These prospective homeowners were also greedy.

 

 

Also because of this war.

 

The war, you can't be serious. Do you know that 7 years of conflict and two wars going for a good part of that was still less money spent than Obama spent in one swipe of a pen to pass the stimulus bill Chi. One year of spending on illegals even surpasses that money so maybe you should reconsider some things.

 

 

So let's not use a group of people as a scapegoat, which really is a minuscle cause of the greater picture and problem.

 

AS we keep saying and you keep ignoring, this has nothing to do with race, it is about the fact we are broke Chi. We can't afford the trillions of dollars on illegals welfare and free schools and such anymore, the well is dry.

 

 

 

Why not focus on the greater problem which really is and has caused the greatest effect?

 

Why not do several layers of fixes? I am not sure what you think is the biggest cause of tax money running out but sending home 12 million illegals will free up about 1 million jobs Americans could then work in place of the illegals. We gain the welfare that was previously spent on the 12 million illegals and we gain 1 million working Americans who are also off welfare and unemployment and are paying taxes on the money they are earning.

 

 

All of that seems like a huge help right there.

 

And don't worry, the state of affairs and the economy is certainly driving a lot of these dirty unwanted illegals out of this country and away from your sight.

Doubt it really, even no jobs in America is better than no job in Mexico.

 

Mexico does not pay the kind of welfare America does.

 

 

 

By the way, nobody here said anything about the illegals being "dirty" and such, no need for that kind of thing, your still trying to make this sound like a race issue, and race has nothing to do with this, we are broke Chi, when will you figure out that we can't afford to support every human being in the world just because they can sneek into the Country?

 

 

 

 

 

No emkay, you neg me because you can't handle being wrong, typical.

 

I always wondered at why liberals were so brittle tempered? If they don't agree with me I may argue a little with them but no big deal, I take them for who they are and let it go, I certainly do not let it get under my skin because life is too short to let someone else riles me up over something as insignificant as a discussion on the internet. But I guess there is another great symptom of being liberal, to be very easily emotional and upset even over a discussion where people do not agree.

 

 

I can disagree without being emotional, liberals evidently cannot, lol.

[emkay64]

Oh TJ..I'm wrong all the time. I'm cool with that. I'm just never going to like you is all.