timesjoke Posted June 9, 2010 Author Posted June 9, 2010 Wow, more lies, is that all you can contribute these days hugo? Liberal talking points and personal attacks? Quote
ImWithStupid Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Wow, more lies, is that all you can contribute these days hugo? Liberal talking points and personal attacks? Which part is a lie. Tammy isn't white, or you didn't say that mixed race kids shouldn't be born? Quote
timesjoke Posted June 9, 2010 Author Posted June 9, 2010 Wow, more lies, is that all you can contribute these days hugo? Liberal talking points and personal attacks? Which part is a lie. Tammy isn't white, or you didn't say that mixed race kids shouldn't be born? No, Tami is white, I have never said that mixed children should never be born, my oldest son's best friend is mixed and is currently staying with me so obviously I don't wan't all mixed children to be killed. I have in the past expressed concern with parents who bring mixed kids into the world without considering the problems they are setting the child up for, but that does not mean I think they should not be born at all. For this lie to be true I would have to support abortion so they could be killed off and I definately do not want any child killed in the womb. Quote
Chi Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Wow, more lies, is that all you can contribute these days hugo? Liberal talking points and personal attacks? Which part is a lie. Tammy isn't white, or you didn't say that mixed race kids shouldn't be born? No, Tami is white, I have never said that mixed children should never be born, my oldest son's best friend is mixed and is currently staying with me so obviously I don't wan't all mixed children to be killed. I have in the past expressed concern with parents who bring mixed kids into the world without considering the problems they are setting the child up for, but that does not mean I think they should not be born at all. For this lie to be true I would have to support abortion so they could be killed off and I definately do not want any child killed in the womb. So not all of them, just some of them? And they should be outside the womb? Newsflash TJ, most people have different race blood in them. Quote
mercury Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 How do you know what they have or haven't considered, TJ? I fail to see the difference between what you stated and the way Hugo phrased it.... because obviously, if they had considered the problems they might encounter by being born into this world, they would have not had children in the first place, right? Same difference. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 So not all of them, just some of them? And they should be outside the womb? Newsflash TJ, most people have different race blood in them. Got any German in ya? . . . . . . Want some? B) Quote
timesjoke Posted June 9, 2010 Author Posted June 9, 2010 How do you know what they have or haven't considered, TJ? I fail to see the difference between what you stated and the way Hugo phrased it.... because obviously, if they had considered the problems they might encounter by being born into this world, they would have not had children in the first place, right? Same difference. So you can't see a difference between stopping the children already created from being born, and not making them or being more careful to plan for their life better? Under Hugo's way of saying it, he implies I want the children to be aborted, and I don't. Again, you guys pile on trying to make what I say completely different than what I actually said. My son's best friend is mixed, you have no idea how many times he came to my house crying because so many times he was rejected by both the whites and the blacks. It seems that "some" people don't think past their own selfish desires and passions long enough to consider what the future may hold for their possible children, and that is not a situation limited to just mixed children, it is very comon with many people in general, that is why single, never wed mothers are the fastest growing segment of American and European society. This again goes back to responsibility as almost all of my possitions are based. More responsibility, less pain for the children, imagine that. Quote
mercury Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 No... Hugo's way implies that you wish they had never existed or been created in the first place... which you have confirmed with your last comment. It screams "Stick to your own kind!" I guess we could go back to a segregated society where a white person would never consider interacting with, let alone pro-creating with, a person of color, unless it was in the capacity of servitude to make you happy and keeps the races from intermingling. Some people are quite able to see past the color of one's skin and not many of us can help who we fall in love with. Many of these mixed breed children are born from committed, responsible relationships and aren't taking a fukking dime of your tax dollars. I think that by stating your opinion, you've insulted a great many of us who happen to be in one of those committed mixed race relationships that resulted in bringing our mixed race children into your lily white world. 1 Quote
Chi Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 No... Hugo's way implies that you wish they had never existed or been created in the first place... which you have confirmed with your last comment. It screams "Stick to your own kind!" I guess we could go back to a segregated society where a white person would never consider interacting with, let alone pro-creating with, a person of color, unless it was in the capacity of servitude to make you happy and keeps the races from intermingling. Some people are quite able to see past the color of one's skin and not many of us can help who we fall in love with. Many of these mixed breed children are born from committed, responsible relationships and aren't taking a fukking dime of your tax dollars. I think that by stating your opinion, you've insulted a great many of us who happen to be in one of those committed mixed race relationships that resulted in bringing our mixed race children into your lily white world. Ditto! Quote
snafu Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 You guys are just playing pile up on TJ. I didn't see anywhere that he said childeren of mixed race should be killed or anything implying such a thing. To call someone a racist is one of the worst things I can think of if your not one. The whole thread is about being called a racist becuase you don't want people breaking the law coming here illegal or killing and trampling on American rights. That goes for ALL Americans! And when it just happens to be one nationality doing it it dosen't make you a racist trying to stop it. Good f king grief! Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
mercury Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 No this isn't piling on... this is helping TJ to see how his words can be interpreted. He said it.... maybe not here... but he did say it. He even re-iterated his stance when he typed the words "So you can't see a difference between stopping the children already created from being born, and not making them or being more careful to plan for their life better?" (pay attention to the words in red.... can't get much clearer on where he stands than that.) I didn't make his fingers type those words, but I sure as hell will point out the flaw in his reasoning, just like he will sure as hell point out the flaws he sees in anyone else's. He acting as if he's been inside the household of every mixed race couple and listened in on their family planning sessions because he knows one mixed race kid that had a difficult time fitting in. If he's had more experience than that, he's never shared... it's this kid that keeps being tossed up as his example of why 1/2 breeds shouldn't exist. If anyone paints TJ as a racist, it's TJ himself, with statements such as those. 1 Quote
hugo Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 You guys are just playing pile up on TJ. I didn't see anywhere that he said childeren of mixed race should be killed or anything implying such a thing. To call someone a racist is one of the worst things I can think of if your not one. The whole thread is about being called a racist becuase you don't want people breaking the law coming here illegal or killing and trampling on American rights. That goes for ALL Americans! And when it just happens to be one nationality doing it it dosen't make you a racist trying to stop it. Good f king grief! Gilligan strikes again. Why don't you two just go ahead and consumate your love affair? 1 Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
ImWithStupid Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 You guys are just playing pile up on TJ. I didn't see anywhere that he said childeren of mixed race should be killed or anything implying such a thing. To call someone a racist is one of the worst things I can think of if your not one. The whole thread is about being called a racist becuase you don't want people breaking the law coming here illegal or killing and trampling on American rights. That goes for ALL Americans! And when it just happens to be one nationality doing it it dosen't make you a racist trying to stop it. Good f king grief! Well you do see mexican and black guys with the big white girls more than white guys with big white girls........I know blacks and mexicans do like their women to be thicker on average than white guys so I understand that....and maybe that is the same thing that has the big white girls looking to other races if the white guys don't really tend to like them....I guess. The only part I don't like is the mixed kids, not because I am racist or anything but because I have seen up close how the mixed kids have a very difficult time fitting in with society. My son's best friend is mixed and he had a lot of problems growing up in a world where he was not completely white, and not completely black. He told me if anything, it was the blacks who were more cruel than the whites. He is like my own son and he even comes to see me for my birthdays and father's day. I love that kid (now a young man). I just wish I could have saved him from that pain. The Japanese-Americans were put in internment camps, for their own good. The blacks had their own schools and drinking fountains, for their own good. Native Americans were moved to the reservations, for their own good. Nope TJ's not racist. He just doesn't want mixed races breeding, for their own good. Quote
snafu Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 You guys are just playing pile up on TJ. I didn't see anywhere that he said children of mixed race should be killed or anything implying such a thing. To call someone a racist is one of the worst things I can think of if your not one. The whole thread is about being called a racist because you don't want people breaking the law coming here illegal or killing and trampling on American rights. That goes for ALL Americans! And when it just happens to be one nationality doing it it doesn't make you a racist trying to stop it. Good f king grief! Well you do see mexican and black guys with the big white girls more than white guys with big white girls........I know blacks and mexicans do like their women to be thicker on average than white guys so I understand that....and maybe that is the same thing that has the big white girls looking to other races if the white guys don't really tend to like them....I guess. The only part I don't like is the mixed kids, not because I am racist or anything but because I have seen up close how the mixed kids have a very difficult time fitting in with society. My son's best friend is mixed and he had a lot of problems growing up in a world where he was not completely white, and not completely black. He told me if anything, it was the blacks who were more cruel than the whites. He is like my own son and he even comes to see me for my birthdays and father's day. I love that kid (now a young man). I just wish I could have saved him from that pain. The Japanese-Americans were put in internment camps, for their own good. The blacks had their own schools and drinking fountains, for their own good. Native Americans were moved to the reservations, for their own good. Nope TJ's not racist. He just doesn't want mixed races breeding, for their own good. He said he feels the kids have a difficult time fitting in. You can' t possibly take the first sentence out of context if you don't read the whole statement. I disagree with this him on this only because I don't see that in my district but you might. My neighbors are a mixed couple black and native.There son is my son's best friend and his brother is real close to my granddaughter. I treat Joey like a second son and they treat my son Chris the same way. He is considered family over there. Those kids have no problem fitting. I think it's Gods plan that we mix with other races and become the best of the hybrids. Maybe that's why, and in my persepcive, for the most part white women are attracted to black men. His other comment was simply saying people should have protective sex. They should practice abstinence. They should have children thats planned and not a big mistake. He didn't say dem people. Come on read what he's saying and quit picking on the scab, it keeps bleeding that way. Quote "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws. That's just insane!" Penn & Teller NEVER FORGOTTEN
mercury Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 Whatever, Snaf... I did read what he was saying. Those words speak for themselves in and out of context. I've said my peace. 2 Quote
timesjoke Posted June 11, 2010 Author Posted June 11, 2010 Give it up Snaf, they see what they want to see, not what is there. A mixed couple could for example try to raise their child in a community more accepting of children with mixed heritage for example, not in areas that tend to be less accepting, this was my point and all of these people are capable of understanding that is what I meant snaf, but they don't want to understand, all they want is to attack. More often than not children end up paying for the lack of planning and responsibility of their parents, that was the other point. Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Give it up Snaf, they see what they want to see, not what is there. A mixed couple could for example try to raise their child in a community more accepting of children with mixed heritage for example, not in areas that tend to be less accepting, this was my point and all of these people are capable of understanding that is what I meant snaf, but they don't want to understand, all they want is to attack. More often than not children end up paying for the lack of planning and responsibility of their parents, that was the other point. Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. Yes, "Not Racist Times", everyone is jumping to conclusions based on your disdain for mixed-race people having children in the second paragraph and are supposed to ignore that you also stereotyped black and latino men in the first paragraph, that were from the same post. 1 Quote
wez Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Give it up Snaf, they see what they want to see, not what is there. A mixed couple could for example try to raise their child in a community more accepting of children with mixed heritage for example, not in areas that tend to be less accepting, this was my point and all of these people are capable of understanding that is what I meant snaf, but they don't want to understand, all they want is to attack. More often than not children end up paying for the lack of planning and responsibility of their parents, that was the other point. Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. Yes, "Not Racist Times", everyone is jumping to conclusions based on your disdain for mixed-race people having children in the second paragraph and are supposed to ignore that you also stereotyped black and latino men in the first paragraph, that were from the same post. Yep.. and if they just moved and stayed on their own side of the tracks to raise their kids outside communities that are less accepting TJ wouldn't have to kill them.. Wont they ever learn personal responsibility? Sheesh.. Quote
hugo Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 The Republicans better figure out that they need to purge the racists or be a minority party forever. The TJs can wear their little cloaks and hoods but they need to be ostracized from any political party that stands for God, Country and Liberty. 1 Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
hugo Posted June 11, 2010 Posted June 11, 2010 Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. I was very bad. I negative repped myself and paid Chi and merc $100 each to spank me. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
mercury Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. I was very bad. I negative repped myself and paid Chi and merc $100 each to spank me. I'd have done it for free, but since you offered.... I went shopping. Got some really cute dresses. Thanks, hugo! Quote
hugo Posted June 12, 2010 Posted June 12, 2010 Consider that all of them come down on me like a ton of bricks over something taken out of context, but Hugo attacks my dead mother and not one person said one thing negative to hugo, not even negative rep for what he said, they are all hypocrits. I was very bad. I negative repped myself and paid Chi and merc $100 each to spank me. I'd have done it for free, but since you offered.... I went shopping. Got some really cute dresses. Thanks, hugo! I am sure she looks better in them dresses than I would have. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison
timesjoke Posted June 14, 2010 Author Posted June 14, 2010 Yes, "Not Racist Times", everyone is jumping to conclusions based on your disdain for mixed-race people having children in the second paragraph and are supposed to ignore that you also stereotyped black and latino men in the first paragraph, that were from the same post. I have a disdain for people who do things that hurt children, period. I don't have anything against any race of people, but I have real issues with irresponsibility from any person. I am also in the business world and the only real color to be concerned with is green. Your all trying to impose "your" racist concepts on me, because you can't see how I can make these kinds of decisions without hate, because you all make your decisions because of hate. You act this crazy and twist everything I say because you hearts are filled with hatred and you can't consider any other way to behave because this hate must be served, even if you have to lie about me. But, unlike all of you I never give up on you guys because I don't hate, so let me try a completely different way of trying to describe my possition on things like this: If a patient went to a doctor with a cancer that needed to be surgically removed, would it matter what his race was? No, why? Because the doctor should see the problem outside of any other considerations and deal with the problem. This is what I do, I ignore all politically correct issues completely. I don't care that some people are more concerned with "looking good" or "making friends", that is not why I discuss or debate topics. I am not here to be popular, I am here to tell the truth as I see it and be exposed to what other people see as truths. Both of our sides will have areas we miss, that is the point of talking about things. If we were perfect there would be no need to talk with each other. On the surface there is absolutely nothign wrong with people of different races making babies, I never said that it was wrong, I simply said it was wrong not to plan for the needs of that child they produced and most don't. Most ignore the fact that their rash decision caused a lifetime of pain. That lifetime of pain was my point, not the two people who made the life, but your all too blind to see past what you don't want to see, if you were honest you would admit my comment had nothing to do with hating the race of a single person. If you were honest you would admit I am talking about causing harm and pain to children. If you were honest though you would not be scouring my old posts trying to find something you can twist it's meaning to attack me with either. Quote
mercury Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Ignorant people blame their own shortcomings on hatred, instead of bothering to try to understand how their statements may be interpreted differently than the way they sounded inside one's own head. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Yes, "Not Racist Times", everyone is jumping to conclusions based on your disdain for mixed-race people having children in the second paragraph and are supposed to ignore that you also stereotyped black and latino men in the first paragraph, that were from the same post. I have a disdain for people who do things that hurt children, period. I don't have anything against any race of people, but I have real issues with irresponsibility from any person. I am also in the business world and the only real color to be concerned with is green. Your all trying to impose "your" racist concepts on me, because you can't see how I can make these kinds of decisions without hate, because you all make your decisions because of hate. You act this crazy and twist everything I say because you hearts are filled with hatred and you can't consider any other way to behave because this hate must be served, even if you have to lie about me. But, unlike all of you I never give up on you guys because I don't hate, so let me try a completely different way of trying to describe my possition on things like this: If a patient went to a doctor with a cancer that needed to be surgically removed, would it matter what his race was? No, why? Because the doctor should see the problem outside of any other considerations and deal with the problem. This is what I do, I ignore all politically correct issues completely. I don't care that some people are more concerned with "looking good" or "making friends", that is not why I discuss or debate topics. I am not here to be popular, I am here to tell the truth as I see it and be exposed to what other people see as truths. Both of our sides will have areas we miss, that is the point of talking about things. If we were perfect there would be no need to talk with each other. On the surface there is absolutely nothign wrong with people of different races making babies, I never said that it was wrong, I simply said it was wrong not to plan for the needs of that child they produced and most don't. Most ignore the fact that their rash decision caused a lifetime of pain. That lifetime of pain was my point, not the two people who made the life, but your all too blind to see past what you don't want to see, if you were honest you would admit my comment had nothing to do with hating the race of a single person. If you were honest you would admit I am talking about causing harm and pain to children. If you were honest though you would not be scouring my old posts trying to find something you can twist it's meaning to attack me with either. I guess you didn't see fit to address your blatant stereotype of two different minorities. It's not your dislike of mixed race children alone, it's the totality of your statements and obvious views of groups of people. It's people like you, who still see color, race and ethnicity, that make the world the way it is. Quote
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