He broke the law. He deserves to be in jail?

[hugo]

As always I support the Constitution of the United States of America as the founding fathers intended, A Constitution whose very heart is the concept of individual liberty and limited government. A Constitution that neither big government socialists or big government social conservatives hold dear.

[timesjoke]

As always I support the Constitution of the United States of America as the founding fathers intended, A Constitution whose very heart is the concept of individual liberty and limited government. A Constitution that neither big government socialists or big government social conservatives hold dear.

 

Sure, you make those claims but then you help people like Obama get into office so the results of your actions are progressive and have nothing to do with honoring the constitution.

 

 

 

 

By the way, how exactly are you supporting the constitution by making a false claim that Muslims condemn the terrorists? You have any idea how many very prominent Muslims with real political power do not fight against terrorists besides this one imam in question?

 

"But after 50 years of, in many cases, oppression, of U.S. support of authoritarian regimes that have violated human rights in the most heinous of ways, how else do people get attention?"

 

Of course this specific imam is not alone, most of the Muslim leadership also show a great deal of support for terrorists in how they see their actions as a religious sacrifice:

 

Palestinian suicide bombers are sacrificing "their souls for freedom."

 

"When young men and women offered their souls for the sake of freedom and independence and in defense of their religion, dignity, self and family, the United States could not find anything to describe these great sacrifices except to say they are terrorist, criminal actions."

 

"What's the difference between the taking of innocent lives in New York and Washington and the taking of innocent lives in Ramallah and Bethlehem?."

 

-- Amhed al-Tuwaijri, member of the Consultative Council of Saudi Arabia, in a letter to President George W. Bush and members of Congress. April 16, 2002

 

"Tell Ayat , the bride of loftiness … She embraced death with a smile while the leaders are running away from death. Doors of heaven are opened for her."

 

"We complained to the idols of a White House whose heart is filled with darkness"]

 

--

, the Saudi Ambassador to the U.K. and noted poet, in a poem titled "Martyrs." The poem appeared on the front page of the London-based pan-Arab newspaper Al Hayat. April 12, 2002

 

( Reference to Ayat Akras, an 18-year-old Palestinian female suicide bomber who attacked a Jerusalem supermarket on March 29, killing two and injuring 25).

 

 

 

A "UNIFIED" voice against terrorist activities is what is needed. As eddo pointed out, all religious leaders speak out against anything that can be even slightly connected to their faith but only the Muslims hedge their bets and some speask against while other more powerful leaders either speak to support the terrorist actions or claim to not want to be political and refuse to take sides.

 

 

But that refusal to take sides is actually taking sides, it is a choice to not be against the terrorists and that is a kind of support.

 

 

 

 

 

But, the Muslims are not alone, it seems even many Libertarians like you and Ron Paul feel the same way, Ron Paul even admitted in a public debate that it was the policies of America that caused the terrorists to attack us.

 

But at the same time even more attacks have been done in places like France who bend over backwards for Muslims and they certainly never invaded their Countries so how is it you Libertarians believe you can draw a connection between our policies and their attacks? Just looking at the facts of all the different targets these Islamic followers have selected over the years, we see that they attack people who help them just as much as those they claim have harmed them.

 

Why?

 

 

Progressives and now even Libertarians have gotten fooled by the idea that these terrorists are being honest about their motives. Why is it you believe someone who is willing to kill a child on purpose for 'shock value' is also at the same time someone who would not lie to you?

 

 

More and more hugo, you prove you have more in comon with the progressives than real conservatives.

[wez]

Sure, you make those claims but then you help people like Obama get into office so the results of your actions are progressive and have nothing to do with honoring the constitution.

 

Progressives and now even Libertarians have gotten fooled by the idea that these terrorists are being honest about their motives. Why is it you believe someone who is willing to kill a child on purpose for 'shock value' is also at the same time someone who would not lie to you?

 

More and more hugo, you prove you have more in comon with the progressives than real conservatives.

 

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[hugo]

There is no unifird voice among Muslims because as I have stated before a significant percentage of Muslims around the globe support terrorism. Muslims are also, like Christians, divided among differents sects. Once again, there is a civil war within Islam that we need the moderates to win. There is no pope of Islam to provide a unifying voice.

 

The fact is Muslims have the same 1st Amendment and 4th Amendment rights as Christians. It is the bigots, like TJ, who believe biracial children should never be born, who have ran off economically conservative minorities and have all but insured the Republicans will be a permanent minority party within 20 years. I am a Barry Goldwater conservative, not a George Wallace conservative.

 

What made our country is the Constitution. Those who attack it for some perceived temporary gain are scum.

 

More and more, TJ, you prove you have more in commom with Stalin and Hitler than Jefferson and Madison.

 

Unlike liberals and conservatives I support all ten amendments in the Bill of Rpghts.

[wez]

More and more, TJ, you prove you have more in commom with Stalin and Hitler than Jefferson and Madison.

Don't forget Ted Bundy and Dennis Rader..

[jokersarewild]

Sure, you make those claims but then you help people like Obama get into office so the results of your actions are progressive and have nothing to do with honoring the constitution.

 

Progressives and now even Libertarians have gotten fooled by the idea that these terrorists are being honest about their motives. Why is it you believe someone who is willing to kill a child on purpose for 'shock value' is also at the same time someone who would not lie to you?

 

More and more hugo, you prove you have more in comon with the progressives than real conservatives.

 

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This made me laugh.

 

Also, have you noticed that everyone who argues against Times is a progressive?

 

Progressive: favoring or promoting progress; "progressive schools"...

 

So arguing against Times is promoting progress? Sounds about right...

[timesjoke]

WEll hugo, I am sure you will do your usual part in trying to tear down anyone who can stand up to the progressives so you can by default help those progressives win just like you always do.

 

Have you noticed how the woman you blindly hate, sarah palin, is helping even some libritarians do well in elections? You spend all your time attacking anyone who is not 100% in your mind and that mentality actually helps those your supposed to be fighting against.

 

 

Then as usual you take the exact same possition Obama and the rest of the progressive take on something like this, tell me something hugo, where does it say in the constitution that we have to look the other way while Muslims support terrorists? Where in the Constitution does it say we have to be politically correct even when it will most likely cause the death of more Americans? There is no gurantee in the Constitution to have the ability to build religious structures on any specific location. You sir are trying to insert rights that are not there.

 

 

At the end of the day our American system was supposed to serve the people, not individual political figures. The people have spoken clearly against things like Government takeovers of healthcare and this Mosque at ground zero and yet your on the side of the progressives to ignore the voice of the people and do what is 100% political correct games.

 

 

Pretty funny how your in line with the administration more often then not hugo.

 

 

 

 

 

Joker, while you guys love to pretend your supporting progress, not all progress is good and you progressives push for change for the sake of change even if there is no logical reason to make the change.

 

 

We are not running out of money, we have been out of money for a long time and at some point reality must step in before all of America ends up like California. They have been broke for a very long time and still they are in denial, they just finished the most expensive public school in America during a time they have been completely broke, now where is the logic in that?

 

Progressives have some idea I would agree "sound good" on the surface, but we have to temper these ides with reality, and reality is something you guys can't seem to grasp. The recent news of company, after company running from California to get away from their our of control taxing should show even the most stubborn person that the answer is not to tax, tax, tax, tax.........

[jokersarewild]

Joker, while you guys love to pretend your supporting progress, not all progress is good and you progressives push for change for the sake of change even if there is no logical reason to make the change.

We just like mixing it up, you know. Change the colors on the CIA name badges, make our President black instead of white, etc, etc.

 

We are not running out of money, we have been out of money for a long time

One of the only things you've said I can agree with.

 

and at some point reality must step in before all of America ends up like California.

I'm offended. I live in California, and we send out the best looking IOUs, thank you!

 

They have been broke for a very long time and still they are in denial, they just finished the most expensive public school in America during a time they have been completely broke, now where is the logic in that?

There is no logic there. I won't argue that. I was quite perplexed when I found out that was happening.

 

Progressives have some idea I would agree "sound good" on the surface, but we have to temper these ides with reality, and reality is something you guys can't seem to grasp. The recent news of company, after company running from California to get away from their our of control taxing should show even the most stubborn person that the answer is not to tax, tax, tax, tax.........

Nope, we can't cope with reality. Like the reality that California is pro-employee, which tends to make a lot of companies want to go elsewhere to avoid such things. Yes, taxation is part of it. But every business owner I talk to (I am a cashier at Wal-mart...I speak to quite a few) say that their problems stem from the fact that California seems to hate businesses.

 

Now, one thing here: Is it possible that the laws were made so big bidniz can't screw over their employees, and small businesses just get the ass end of it? Also, Utah (where Ebay, among others, is relocating to) is a Right To Work state, which means they aren't going to protect employees near as much, and give the business free reign. Is it possible that they moved to avoid having to cater as much to their employees? They can't complain as much if they have fewer rights, which creates fewer legal issues for the company.

[timesjoke]

 

We just like mixing it up, you know. Change the colors on the CIA name badges, make our President black instead of white, etc, etc.

 

While your trying to be slick, your closer to the truth than you know, that change of color implies a greater connection to their progressive agenda to push "social Justice" legislation.

 

One of the only things you've said I can agree with.

 

And if you agree with it, why are the progressives spending even more of this money we don't have?

 

There is no logic there. I won't argue that. I was quite perplexed when I found out that was happening.

 

While that is a big example, there are millions of other examples as well, all showing how progressives have no real respect for money, they run out, no biggie, just increase taxes again.

 

Nope, we can't cope with reality. Like the reality that California is pro-employee, which tends to make a lot of companies want to go elsewhere to avoid such things. Yes, taxation is part of it. But every business owner I talk to (I am a cashier at Wal-mart...I speak to quite a few) say that their problems stem from the fact that California seems to hate businesses.

 

Now, one thing here: Is it possible that the laws were made so big bidniz can't screw over their employees, and small businesses just get the ass end of it? Also, Utah (where Ebay, among others, is relocating to) is a Right To Work state, which means they aren't going to protect employees near as much, and give the business free reign. Is it possible that they moved to avoid having to cater as much to their employees? They can't complain as much if they have fewer rights, which creates fewer legal issues for the company.

 

 

Tell me this, is the employee more screwed with a job or without a job?

 

Yes, one of the big factors in California is they are one huge Union, they try to force employeers to provide more and more services and pay to employees and give over more control of their companies to the employees but all of these things also cost money, it is another form of tax. If the Government taxes a dollar or they force the company to spend a dollar, it is still considered a imposed tax on business for the bottom line.

 

California slowly milks every drop of money out of the business and eventually either drives them away, puts them out of business, or they make the untimate sacrifice and give the company away to the employees as Obama has given GM to the Unions.

 

The kind of retreat California is seeing will happen to all of America if we are not careful. Actuallu it is already happening, almost all of the production jobs we have lost is because of pressure from Unions to offer more benefits and pay while Government was increasing regulations and imposing more restrictions on these businesses. Combined it caused the companies to consider relocating to places that were not so hostile to them.

[jokersarewild]

I completely agree. I think unions were necessary at one point, when people like Rockafeller were treating their employees like dirt. However, they've grown hungry for the power they can get now, by forcing companies to do their bidding. I think we need to figure out a way to get their powers down quite a bit. Mind you, I'm an employee, and I'm all in favor of us, but there will be fewer of us if businesses can't operate. Go figure. Hell, amusingly enough, I have a friend who's a cashier at Safeway. He makes 15 bucks an hour because he's unionized. (I make just under 9.) He only works 15 hours a week, or less. My guess is that Safeway can't afford that crap. Granted, I would LOVE to make 15 an hour. But he makes less than I do a paycheck (I work around 32 hours a week), because he doesn't work as much.

 

If you'll notice: Wal-Mart HATES unions. At one of the Dist. Centers near here, they have a 4 hour Anti-Union video. I've heard they'll shut down a store if too many people unionize themselves. Wal-Mart understands that they can't operate, or make much of a profit, if their employees become unionized. They have the right idea. And fortunately for them, they can afford to do it.

[timesjoke]

I completely agree. I think unions were necessary at one point, when people like Rockafeller were treating their employees like dirt. However, they've grown hungry for the power they can get now, by forcing companies to do their bidding. I think we need to figure out a way to get their powers down quite a bit. Mind you, I'm an employee, and I'm all in favor of us, but there will be fewer of us if businesses can't operate. Go figure. Hell, amusingly enough, I have a friend who's a cashier at Safeway. He makes 15 bucks an hour because he's unionized. (I make just under 9.) He only works 15 hours a week, or less. My guess is that Safeway can't afford that crap. Granted, I would LOVE to make 15 an hour. But he makes less than I do a paycheck (I work around 32 hours a week), because he doesn't work as much.

 

If you'll notice: Wal-Mart HATES unions. At one of the Dist. Centers near here, they have a 4 hour Anti-Union video. I've heard they'll shut down a store if too many people unionize themselves. Wal-Mart understands that they can't operate, or make much of a profit, if their employees become unionized. They have the right idea. And fortunately for them, they can afford to do it.

 

Well we agree on at least one thing and that is the Unions used to have a great purpose.

 

Today Unions commend even our President to do their bidding, they have become a legal Mafia.

 

 

Your friend making more money does seem unfair on the surface, but that kind of overhead is difficult to maintain and that business must compete against other places who don't have that kind of overhead, this is another big reason we have lost a lot of industry to other Countries.

 

 

 

 

Again, I understand the 'theory' why progressives do these thing, but the reality is, business cannot survive as long as they are seen as the enemy and constantly attacked for more, and more, and more until we kill them off.

 

Like the story of the golden goose, there are only so many eggs to go around.......

[jokersarewild]

I completely agree. I think unions were necessary at one point, when people like Rockafeller were treating their employees like dirt. However, they've grown hungry for the power they can get now, by forcing companies to do their bidding. I think we need to figure out a way to get their powers down quite a bit. Mind you, I'm an employee, and I'm all in favor of us, but there will be fewer of us if businesses can't operate. Go figure. Hell, amusingly enough, I have a friend who's a cashier at Safeway. He makes 15 bucks an hour because he's unionized. (I make just under 9.) He only works 15 hours a week, or less. My guess is that Safeway can't afford that crap. Granted, I would LOVE to make 15 an hour. But he makes less than I do a paycheck (I work around 32 hours a week), because he doesn't work as much.

 

If you'll notice: Wal-Mart HATES unions. At one of the Dist. Centers near here, they have a 4 hour Anti-Union video. I've heard they'll shut down a store if too many people unionize themselves. Wal-Mart understands that they can't operate, or make much of a profit, if their employees become unionized. They have the right idea. And fortunately for them, they can afford to do it.

 

Well we agree on at least one thing and that is the Unions used to have a great purpose.

 

Today Unions commend even our President to do their bidding, they have become a legal Mafia.

 

 

Your friend making more money does seem unfair on the surface, but that kind of overhead is difficult to maintain and that business must compete against other places who don't have that kind of overhead, this is another big reason we have lost a lot of industry to other Countries.

 

 

 

 

Again, I understand the 'theory' why progressives do these thing, but the reality is, business cannot survive as long as they are seen as the enemy and constantly attacked for more, and more, and more until we kill them off.

 

Like the story of the golden goose, there are only so many eggs to go around.......

 

That's what I was saying. Wal-Mart survives because it doesn't have that kind of overhead, and refuses to pay that much for such things. And unions, amusingly enough, help Wal-Mart in their takeover of various places because the unionized places can't afford to pay their employees retarded amounts of money and also sell products that inexpensively.

[timesjoke]

 

That's what I was saying. Wal-Mart survives because it doesn't have that kind of overhead, and refuses to pay that much for such things. And unions, amusingly enough, help Wal-Mart in their takeover of various places because the unionized places can't afford to pay their employees retarded amounts of money and also sell products that inexpensively.

I am not a big fan of Wal-Mart being as most of their products come from China when many years ago they used to advertise how they try to buy American but it was their strict refusal to allow the Unions to take them down that made them as strong as they are today.

[jokersarewild]

That's what I was saying. Wal-Mart survives because it doesn't have that kind of overhead, and refuses to pay that much for such things. And unions, amusingly enough, help Wal-Mart in their takeover of various places because the unionized places can't afford to pay their employees retarded amounts of money and also sell products that inexpensively.

I am not a big fan of Wal-Mart being as most of their products come from China when many years ago they used to advertise how they try to buy American but it was their strict refusal to allow the Unions to take them down that made them as strong as they are today.

 

Having them come from China makes them less expensive, which is how the prices are so low in the first place. I think it would be an amusing threat to tell China that Wal-Mart will buy US products from then on if they did/didn't do something or other. China goes "OH sh t!" and poops a little in its pants

[timesjoke]

That's what I was saying. Wal-Mart survives because it doesn't have that kind of overhead, and refuses to pay that much for such things. And unions, amusingly enough, help Wal-Mart in their takeover of various places because the unionized places can't afford to pay their employees retarded amounts of money and also sell products that inexpensively.

I am not a big fan of Wal-Mart being as most of their products come from China when many years ago they used to advertise how they try to buy American but it was their strict refusal to allow the Unions to take them down that made them as strong as they are today.

 

Having them come from China makes them less expensive, which is how the prices are so low in the first place. I think it would be an amusing threat to tell China that Wal-Mart will buy US products from then on if they did/didn't do something or other. China goes "OH sh t!" and poops a little in its pants

 

Hollow threat being as we have run our American production out of business, and they know it.

 

Too bad our Government and the Unions took away our ability to compete, those production jobs sure would be nice to have right now. But we can feel better knowing that the envoronment wackos and progressives are happy that the factories are shut down.

[phreakwars]

If TJ had his way. American workers would be paid in sweat shop wages even lower then China pays. It would lower the cost to consumers, doesn't matter if the workers can't pay the bills, afford a higher education, etc... as long as the company gets a bigger cut for itself and it's share holders, that's all that counts.

 

See why we should put TJ's type of candidates back in office? They wouldn't stand for this "workers rights" bullshit.

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[ImWithStupid]

If TJ had his way. American workers would be paid in sweat shop wages even lower then China pays. It would lower the cost to consumers, doesn't matter if the workers can't pay the bills, afford a higher education, etc... as long as the company gets a bigger cut for itself and it's share holders, that's all that counts.

 

See why we should put TJ's type of candidates back in office? They wouldn't stand for this "workers rights" bullshit.

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Exactly! It's better to rely on statists to run things like they should for the workers...

 

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Oh wait. The working and pay conditions in China is a RESULT of the Progressive Statists. Ooops!

 

 

"Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains." ~ Karl Marx

[timesjoke]

If TJ had his way. American workers would be paid in sweat shop wages even lower then China pays. It would lower the cost to consumers, doesn't matter if the workers can't pay the bills, afford a higher education, etc... as long as the company gets a bigger cut for itself and it's share holders, that's all that counts.

 

See why we should put TJ's type of candidates back in office? They wouldn't stand for this "workers rights" bullshit.

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Tell me something Bender, how does a worker have "workers rights" if they are not working?

 

 

We need jobs first, and the Unions and Government regulations ran those jobs off, now you get to sit around and cry about how unfair it was those companies voted with their feet against the unfair treatment.

 

 

 

You did see the report I posted that showd most Union workers now work for the Government right? Where did all those jobs go? Why is it you can't see how this is a case of killing the goose that lays the golden eggs?

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong, Unions played a very important role in America's past, workers did need protections from hostile companies and those who ran the companies in a few instances. But the Unions felt their power, that power went to their heads and they transformed into a monster that could not be killed or reasoned with. The Unions found politics and purchased a few politicians like Obama today who has given them more gifts for their support than any American has ever got before as political payback.

 

 

 

Bender, I see you still refuse to admit "WHY" Obama gave the Unions that sweetheart deal to exempt them from new taxes all other Americans are subject to, can you let yourself admit why?

[builder]

Times : (15 September 2010 - 01:10 AM) I assume eddo that you um....gave a donation.... due to your saving yourself and all that.....lol

 

I'm okay with a hug, but Builder has to wash first, his coprophilia leaves a bad odor....

 

 

Because Builder would never waste a good dump when he can play with it instead, lol

 

You know Builder, even in Australia, there is treatments for your coprophilia

 

 

I bet you like it becuase you get really good turds to play with after eating it right Builder?

 

Has emkay joined you in that game?

 

Emaky seems like the coprophilia type too come to think of it.

 

Not a joke Builder, you have a serious problem that needs proper medical treatment

 

See how it has infected emkay?

 

Now even she is stuck on this infatuation.

 

You guys are messed up.

 

Why not try to be more normal?

 

coprophilia is nothign to joke about you two, why can't you take your problem seriously?

 

Joking it off will not make it go away.

 

So Builder, do you find playing with animal turds better than human waste?

 

How exactly does one advertise for partners of coprophilia while traveling?

 

Do you practice your coprophilia while you sleepwalk as well?

 

Is your gay lover into coprophilia or do you practice that outside your relationship?

 

Be careful with emkay, you won't be the first to get a gift that keeps on giving, lol.

 

Better to stay with your usual men and not be so desperate you need to be with someone like emkay.

 

So do you do the foot tapping think in bathrooms too Builder?

 

Or do you guys who love coprophilia have your own special signal?

 

Maybe a skid mark piece of paper tossed under the divider or something Builder?

 

Are there parts of your gay bars devoted to those who love coprophilia?

 

Times : (15 September 2010 - 01:32 AM) Well Builder, time for me to go make some money, have fun and remember, wash your hands before eating, feces is not considered an acceptable spice for food.

[ImWithStupid]

Tell me something Bender, how does a worker have "workers rights" if they are not working?

 

Easy. Progressives believe in FDR's second bill of rights...

 

 

 

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

 

Among these are:

 

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

 

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

 

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

 

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

 

The right of every family to a decent home;

 

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

 

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

 

The right to a good education.

 

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

 

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.

 

 

Cradle to the grave, government providing for you, making your decisions for you, equally low standard of living for all (well, not all. The ruling class of elites will live privileged lives).

[hugo]

“Those who sacrifice Liberty for security deserve neither” -Benjamin Franklin

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[timesjoke]

Tell me something Bender, how does a worker have "workers rights" if they are not working?

 

Easy. Progressives believe in FDR's second bill of rights...

 

And another question Bender is too scared to reply to.

 

I get a kick out of it actually, Progressives have such controlled and fixated minds I bet their subconscious mind actually edits out things like my hard questions and they don't even have to suffer through the idea of how to lie in response to these kinds of questions, they just keep going like the questions never were asked.

 

 

 

At the same time they always expect you to answer their questions, I guess that is all part of the elitist mindset these progressives operate under.

 

 

 

 

 

America needs jobs, the progressives run off the jobs out of their belief that a company owner does not have the right to own his business he created. Every new business is viewed by Progressives as a new piggy bank they can plunder.