builder Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. Careful now, Joker. You might expose his MO for the joke that it really is. 1 Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
timesjoke Posted September 9, 2010 Author Posted September 9, 2010 What, people didn't cause Global Warming? Damnit. All this driving around in my Hummer has just been a waste of gas then . And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. The free market system allows for failure. Don't feel bad about not understanding it, few do that have not had advanced business instruction but I will try to offer you a simple reply. The notion that all of those jobs would have ended is completely false and is spread around by progressives to justify their socialist takeover of GM. When a massive company like GM fails, it is not just one company, it is a combination of many, many companies and splinters, some of these are bad sure, but some of them are good too. What is supposed to happen under reorganization (bankruptcy) is the good parts of the company are salvaged and the bad parts are broken up and sold off. The new, fat trimmed portions of the company are now able to move foward without the massive overhead of the bad segments of the company holding it back. This is a normal result of bad management of a company and the courts steepping in to do what it can to fix it. So why is it Obama and his progressive agenda would not allow the established laws to settle this problem? Unions, reorganization would have broken the stranglehold the UAW had on GM and after so many years of loyal dedication to Liberals and their campaigns, many millions of dollars spent to help them win elections, and Obama getting more than anyone else in history from the UAW, there was no way Obama was going to turn his back on them in their time of need. The banking industry would have been the same thing, there were strong segments and weak segments, the established free market system has no problem rebalancing these things if the Government steps back and leaves it alone, but when the Government meddles in free markets, we get the mess we still have right now. The housing market is still out of balance, they have Government money and promises propping up the market and keeping prices well above where they should be. If the banks were allowed to feel their failures the market would have rebalanced in 8 to 12 months and we would now be well past the pain and well on the road to full recovery instead of treading water with no end in sight. All free markets need certainty, they have to have set rules and set penalties, when the Federal Government steps in and changes the rules in isolated ways it disrupts everything. Now everyone in business is off balance, wondering what and where the next 'exception' will be. I love you too Builder, so tell me, you really believe Bush was so brilliant he pulled off 9/11 as an inside job while Bill Clinton could not get away with playing 'hide the cigar' with miss piggy in the center of his power base? Simply incredible, especially after thousands of hard scientists have some out and said things like explosives and such were impossible. I especially love the one where the wackos claim it was a missle that hit the Pentagon. Hundreds of civilian first responders were on sceene before most of the government people and they all reported seeing things like bodies so how do you suppose Bush hit the building wiht a missle, then planted the dead bodies, then got the trucks of bodies out before the first responders got there? Or do you wackos believe all the civilians were in on the conspiracy too? Talk about a joke, you have to be close to insane to belive that 9/11 was an inside job. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. I don't think so. GM should have gone through the bankruptcy process that is in place for this kind of issue, same as many other companies including airline companies, have done in the past with arbiters to renegotiate contracts and streamline the business, in a fair way through negotiation, instead of a partisan lackey strong arming investors and executives on behalf of their special interests, and needlessly shutting down auto dealerships based on political affiliations. The bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. 1 Quote
eddo Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. I don't think so. GM should have gone through the bankruptcy process that is in place for this kind of issue, same as many other companies including airline companies, have done in the past with arbiters to renegotiate contracts and streamline the business, in a fair way through negotiation, instead of a partisan lackey strong arming investors and executives on behalf of their special interests, and needlessly shutting down auto dealerships based on political affiliations. The bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. I totally agree. Making taxpayers pay for a company that, because of the way it was being run, was failing is not what the government is there for. 1 Quote I'm trusted by more women.
ImWithStupid Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. I don't think so. GM should have gone through the bankruptcy process that is in place for this kind of issue, same as many other companies including airline companies, have done in the past with arbiters to renegotiate contracts and streamline the business, in a fair way through negotiation, instead of a partisan lackey strong arming investors and executives on behalf of their special interests, and needlessly shutting down auto dealerships based on political affiliations. The bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. I totally agree. Making taxpayers pay for a company that, because of the way it was being run, was failing is not what the government is there for. Of course some of the problem was caused by the Federal government's CAFE standards. Just saying. :whistling: Quote
jokersarewild Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. I don't think so. GM should have gone through the bankruptcy process that is in place for this kind of issue, same as many other companies including airline companies, have done in the past with arbiters to renegotiate contracts and streamline the business, in a fair way through negotiation, instead of a partisan lackey strong arming investors and executives on behalf of their special interests, and needlessly shutting down auto dealerships based on political affiliations. The bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. I was asking about the economic effect. Would it have made it far worse? Or not as bad as we might think? Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
ImWithStupid Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 And I offer you this, TJ: If the government hadn't taken over GM and such where they were failing, wouldn't that have caused the economy to collapse even more, because of the lost jobs, among other things? And what about making the banks get their sh!t together? Seems like it might've been a good idea. I don't think so. GM should have gone through the bankruptcy process that is in place for this kind of issue, same as many other companies including airline companies, have done in the past with arbiters to renegotiate contracts and streamline the business, in a fair way through negotiation, instead of a partisan lackey strong arming investors and executives on behalf of their special interests, and needlessly shutting down auto dealerships based on political affiliations. The bankruptcy laws are in place for a reason. I was asking about the economic effect. Would it have made it far worse? Or not as bad as we might think? I don't think there would have been any difference, and possibly not as bad, as not as many people would have been unnecessarily fired because of the needless closings of thousands of dealerships. Quote
wez Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 I think what everyone is ignoring here is the bailouts were started and blessed by Bush and his "conservative" buddies.. 1 Quote
ImWithStupid Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 I think what everyone is ignoring here is the bailouts were started and blessed by Bush and his "conservative" buddies.. No. I was against those then. You all seem to forget that it took two tries to pass TARP. The first time it failed because Republicans in the House wouldn't go for it. I had a conversation with a lib/Dem friend of mine back then. He called me up and asked what was wrong with the Republicans for blocking TARP. I said, "Good for them". Unfortunately, when it came back around with a bunch of "pork" put in it, to many of them were bought off, like Democrats. Quote
wez Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 The Bailout Plan President Bush and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson went to Capitol Hill with a proposed $700 billion mortgage bailout plan that would create a fund to purchase distressed mortgage securities packages from financial firms. Under the proposed plan, the government would then hold on to these securities and sell them later. President Bush Bailout Speech Bush Announces Massive Government Bailout Bush, Bernanke and a bad bailout Quote
eddo Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 Bush starting it doesn't give Obama excuse to do it again, or continue. especially when he was all about "Change" Just sayin' 1 Quote I'm trusted by more women.
builder Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 I love you too Builder, so tell me, you really believe Bush was so brilliant he pulled off 9/11 as an inside job while Bill Clinton could not get away with playing 'hide the cigar' with miss piggy in the center of his power base? Simply incredible, especially after thousands of hard scientists have some out and said things like explosives and such were impossible. I especially love the one where the wackos claim it was a missle that hit the Pentagon. Hundreds of civilian first responders were on sceene before most of the government people and they all reported seeing things like bodies so how do you suppose Bush hit the building wiht a missle, then planted the dead bodies, then got the trucks of bodies out before the first responders got there? Or do you wackos believe all the civilians were in on the conspiracy too? Talk about a joke, you have to be close to insane to belive that 9/11 was an inside job. Hmmm, missed this one, but you are in the habit of tacking these "responses" onto other's replies. Shrub junior wouldn't have had a clue what Cheney was up to. Anyone who's grown out of short pants could tell you that. And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground. Shill all you like, my friend, but explain to me why the CIA and FBI was on hand within minutes to consfiscate all the footage from cameras within the area, and none of that very important footage has ever been released to the public. Seems to me that the best defence system in the known universe could have easily defended the largest centre of "intell" in the west. What was NORAD doing in the hours between the first strike and the last? Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
timesjoke Posted September 10, 2010 Author Posted September 10, 2010 Hmmm, missed this one, but you are in the habit of tacking these "responses" onto other's replies. Shrub junior wouldn't have had a clue what Cheney was up to. Anyone who's grown out of short pants could tell you that. And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground. Shill all you like, my friend, but explain to me why the CIA and FBI was on hand within minutes to consfiscate all the footage from cameras within the area, and none of that very important footage has ever been released to the public. Seems to me that the best defence system in the known universe could have easily defended the largest centre of "intell" in the west. What was NORAD doing in the hours between the first strike and the last? Okay, start out with this: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842 And again, common sense can completely eradicate all doubt from any person if you just take the time to go step by step walking down the process of what would have had to happen for Bush, Cheeny, or anyone else to make this happen and how unlikely it is for the secrete to be kept. I am not sure what version of lunacy you have decided to swallow but let's just take one and walk it down the path and see how many people have to be involved for it to be possible. Le't say someone in power wanted to shoot a missle into one of the buildings and blow it up, do you think the missle can be deployed without hundreds and maybe even thousands of people being involved in that action? You don't think Bush or Cheeny is out there flying a jet and fired the shot do you? Even if they did there would still be records and people on the ground who would know the truth. There is the inventory of the weapons that much be altered, there is the ground crew who must fuel, arm, and prepare the plane as well as service the plane after the flight. There is the military and civilian air traffic control who know of the flight and they have to alrter the recordings to erace the resord of the flight. And even if the President did fly the plane, no plane will lift off the ground without many people in the chain of command being involved and issuing orders. Look, I understand the mindset of someone like you who "wants" to believe the worse about some people, especially those with power, and how they trample on other lives to gain power. But. How can you balance that with the need of normal every day people who would have to be involved in the conspiracy staying silent? Someone like Cheeny or Bush "might" gain power, but what does the flight crew who knows the truth get? Let's say you were on that flight crew, just a normal every day person doing your job of getting planes ready for launch and you know the plane departed with missles but came back without missles and there was an attack on the world trade buildings, do you think you might remember that? Would you keep your mouth shut? Some might, I give you that much, but not everyone, there is no way each of these people who had to be involved would all stay silent. Someone would feel the pressure of decency and truth building up inside them and let it out. Some would write things down, even keep documents hidden "just in case" it exploded up in the face. Lifetime generals and such would want assurances that if lower ranked people did blab, they would be preserved. The circle of conspiracy would have to be so large it would be impossible to keep it silent. Any hard evidence proving this was an inside job would be worth millions and once the info was out, the person talking could not really be harmed without further tarnishing America, so there is no reason not to tell. Bill Clinton had only a couple people to control and he was in the most secure place a President can be and still he could not keep the truth about his affairs from being released so how can you honestly believe either Bush or Cheeny was so perfect they could pull off something like this, with so many people involved, and not one squeek of it gets out? And let me ask you another question, how is it we have video of passengers getting on the planes, radar tracking of the planes all showing a timeline for the plane hitting the building........but if the plane did not hit the building, where did the planes and people go? Did the military make them land and use false the tracking info? If so do you believe that the military killed all of them on the base they landed at and disposed of the bodies? If you were one of the soldiers at that base would you kill the innocent passengers from the plane to help preserve the conspiracy? You see, if you look close enough you keep finding ways that massive amounts of people must be involved in the conspiracy for it to work and why would all these people stay silent? They don't have the money and power to gain that someone like Bush or Cheeny might get so what is their motivation to kill thousands of Americans? Why would they keep Bush or Cheeney's blood on their hands Builder? Would you hold that blood on your hands and stay silent Builder? If not, then why would you believe anyone else would? If this was just about Cheeny, I might even consider the concept, but this is not about Cheeny or Bush, this is about the thousands of regular every day Americans that would have to be in on the conspiracy without anything to gain that tells me that logically, all the claims of 9/11 being an inside job is simply impossible. Quote
ImWithStupid Posted September 10, 2010 Posted September 10, 2010 I love you too Builder, so tell me, you really believe Bush was so brilliant he pulled off 9/11 as an inside job while Bill Clinton could not get away with playing 'hide the cigar' with miss piggy in the center of his power base? Simply incredible, especially after thousands of hard scientists have some out and said things like explosives and such were impossible. I especially love the one where the wackos claim it was a missle that hit the Pentagon. Hundreds of civilian first responders were on sceene before most of the government people and they all reported seeing things like bodies so how do you suppose Bush hit the building wiht a missle, then planted the dead bodies, then got the trucks of bodies out before the first responders got there? Or do you wackos believe all the civilians were in on the conspiracy too? Talk about a joke, you have to be close to insane to belive that 9/11 was an inside job. Hmmm, missed this one, but you are in the habit of tacking these "responses" onto other's replies. Shrub junior wouldn't have had a clue what Cheney was up to. Anyone who's grown out of short pants could tell you that. And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground. Shill all you like, my friend, but explain to me why the CIA and FBI was on hand within minutes to consfiscate all the footage from cameras within the area, and none of that very important footage has ever been released to the public. Seems to me that the best defence system in the known universe could have easily defended the largest centre of "intell" in the west. What was NORAD doing in the hours between the first strike and the last? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I Quote
timesjoke Posted September 10, 2010 Author Posted September 10, 2010 Good video, and more common sense combined with real witness and evidence instead of making stuff up just because it fits your political agenda and fears of the moment. Quote
builder Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 Good video, and more common sense combined with real witness and evidence instead of making stuff up just because it fits your political agenda and fears of the moment. You think that video was good? One fireman who arrived after the event? The rest of the "content" was laughable. This video is from a firefighter fighting for justice and truth on behalf of his fallen comrades. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
jokersarewild Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground. Actually, it's not impossible. At all. As it turns out, you CAN fly that close to the ground at a fast speed. That's a Boeing 757, by the way. Shill all you like, my friend, but explain to me why the CIA and FBI was on hand within minutes to consfiscate all the footage from cameras within the area, and none of that very important footage has ever been released to the public. Chances are they were confiscating it to study it. Maybe there was something they were looking for on it that we don't realize. And why do they need to release it? So untrained assholes like us can pretend like we know something about it? Seems to me that the best defence system in the known universe could have easily defended the largest centre of "intell" in the west. What was NORAD doing in the hours between the first strike and the last? http://www.awitness...._standdown.html An amusing read offering an explanation to that. 1 Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
ImWithStupid Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 Shhh!!! Builder is a truther, through and through. Facts, witnesses and science mean nothing to him. He read it on a blog somewhere so it must be true. This is his next crusade... Pakistani Websites Accuse CIA of Causing Pakistan Flooding: U.S. Research Program 'HAARP is being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Artificial Floods]'; 'They Can't Win a War with Nuclear-Armed Pakistan ... So They Have Other Ways to Do It' Although the U.S. has been leading flood relief efforts in Pakistan, where nearly 20 million people have been affected by the worst floods in 80 years, the Pakistani media continue to publish anti-U.S. conspiracy theories regarding the floods. On August 6, 2010, a Pakistani website released a report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent," accusing the CIA and its alleged use of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the Alaska-based U.S. Air Force program, to artificially cause the flooding. The website, pakalertpress.com, was registered on May 4, 2009 and is one of a family of new websites which have been propagating anti-U.S. conspiracy theories in Pakistan in recent years. Further examples of such websites and blogs are pakistankakhudahafiz.com, ahmedqureshi.com and takmeel.pk. These websites are also involved in conspiracy theories against Israel and India, and the tone of their content is pro-Pakistani military and pro-militant organizations. Some of these websites identify themselves with Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani demagogue who advocates Islamic revolution in South Asia and beyond. A collage of images on the homepage of takmeel.com announces its plan to launch a radio station from the Indian capital, declaring: "Coming Soon – Radio Pakistan Delhi."[1] The unidentified authors of the August 6 report, which has been subsequently republished by several other websites, observed: "We have investigated this matter and concluded that HAARP is being used in Pakistan [to cause artificial flooding]..."[2] The pakalertpress.com published another report on August 18, titled "Is the CIA playing the HAARP in Pakistan?" – alleging indirectly that the U.S. military is using HAARP to cause flooding in Pakistan. It observed: "We are now seeing another phase of floods targeting Pakistan."[3]The report went on accuse HAARP researchers of experimenting with different types of weather weapons in recent years: 2005 – hurricanes; 2004 – tsunami; 2007 – floods; 2008 – tornadoes; 2009 – earthquakes. The following are excerpts from these reports: "We Have Investigatd This Matter and Concluded That HAARP is Being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Floods]" Following are excerpts from an August 6 report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent:"[iv] http://www.memri.org.../0/0/0/4561.htm It seems that the United States and specifically the CIA are in cahoots with COBRA to get the weather control device... Quote
jokersarewild Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 Shhh!!! Builder is a truther, through and through. Facts, witnesses and science mean nothing to him. He read it on a blog somewhere so it must be true. This is his next crusade... Pakistani Websites Accuse CIA of Causing Pakistan Flooding: U.S. Research Program 'HAARP is being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Artificial Floods]'; 'They Can't Win a War with Nuclear-Armed Pakistan ... So They Have Other Ways to Do It' Although the U.S. has been leading flood relief efforts in Pakistan, where nearly 20 million people have been affected by the worst floods in 80 years, the Pakistani media continue to publish anti-U.S. conspiracy theories regarding the floods. On August 6, 2010, a Pakistani website released a report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent," accusing the CIA and its alleged use of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the Alaska-based U.S. Air Force program, to artificially cause the flooding. The website, pakalertpress.com, was registered on May 4, 2009 and is one of a family of new websites which have been propagating anti-U.S. conspiracy theories in Pakistan in recent years. Further examples of such websites and blogs are pakistankakhudahafiz.com, ahmedqureshi.com and takmeel.pk. These websites are also involved in conspiracy theories against Israel and India, and the tone of their content is pro-Pakistani military and pro-militant organizations. Some of these websites identify themselves with Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani demagogue who advocates Islamic revolution in South Asia and beyond. A collage of images on the homepage of takmeel.com announces its plan to launch a radio station from the Indian capital, declaring: "Coming Soon – Radio Pakistan Delhi."[1] The unidentified authors of the August 6 report, which has been subsequently republished by several other websites, observed: "We have investigated this matter and concluded that HAARP is being used in Pakistan [to cause artificial flooding]..."[2] The pakalertpress.com published another report on August 18, titled "Is the CIA playing the HAARP in Pakistan?" – alleging indirectly that the U.S. military is using HAARP to cause flooding in Pakistan. It observed: "We are now seeing another phase of floods targeting Pakistan."[3]The report went on accuse HAARP researchers of experimenting with different types of weather weapons in recent years: 2005 – hurricanes; 2004 – tsunami; 2007 – floods; 2008 – tornadoes; 2009 – earthquakes. The following are excerpts from these reports: "We Have Investigatd This Matter and Concluded That HAARP is Being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Floods]" Following are excerpts from an August 6 report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent:"[iv] http://www.memri.org.../0/0/0/4561.htm It seems that the United States and specifically the CIA are in cahoots with COBRA to get the weather control device... Yes. That explains the 9/11 attacks, too. The Arabs were part of COBRA. It's all coming together now! Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
ImWithStupid Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 [attach=full]2959[/attach] This isn't COBRA Commander. It's a member of the Bin Laden family in a hijab! Quote
jokersarewild Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 Oh look, an oft forgotten campaign poster for Obama: [attach=full]2960[/attach] Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
ImWithStupid Posted September 11, 2010 Posted September 11, 2010 And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground. Actually, it's not impossible. At all. As it turns out, you CAN fly that close to the ground at a fast speed. That's a Boeing 757, by the way. http://www.awitness...._standdown.html An amusing read offering an explanation to that. [attach=full]2961[/attach] Quote
timesjoke Posted September 13, 2010 Author Posted September 13, 2010 Well Builder, I posted a link to a popular mechanics page where they went line by line on the most popular conspiracy theory beliefs and they were all refuted by hard scientists anf facts, not unsupported conjecture. You don't have one fact, just assumptions driven by your own redical mindset as well as those who share your hate. You feed off each other and completely ignore common sense and hard facts. You need to step back and do some more thinking instead of just believeing everything you read on wacko websites. How do you respond to my point that so many normal people would have to be in on the coverup? Where did the passengers go Builder? Why did the first responders to the Pentagon all report they saw dead bodies and plane parts in the wreckage? [attach=full]2962[/attach] Is that part of the plane that hit the Pentagon Builder? If not, where did it come from and who put it there? You think Bush or Cheeny put it there? Can't you see that your beliefe of conspiracy must involve more than just them to work? People who don't have great power to gain must be in on this and why would they keep that blood on their hands. I asked you if you would keep that lie hidden Builder, but you don't want to answer that question do you? You don't want to because you would have to admit that you would not, and that means you have to admit the other normal every day people most likely would not lie for Cheeny or Bush either. 1 Quote
jokersarewild Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 http://67.19.222.106/rumors/images/debris.jpg Go to the link. Otherwise, it just shows a big green "Mr. Yuk" type thing. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad!
builder Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 http://www.mujca.com/ As for Popular mechanics, what a joke that sh t is. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NLF-TcNb8oIC&dq=,+William+Randolph+Hearst&source=bl&ots=5WsOdEhBj1&sig=dM2NxdE1Lq_Ch9Dwjtfekwu1FSY&hl=en&ei=1ZWOTLa8A4esvgOv5NnnBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=19&ved=0CGMQ6AEwEg In the second and final installment of Hearst's biography, Procter (Not Without Honor: The Life of John H. Reagan ) attempts to humanize the reigning avatar of American media tycoonism. This is no easy task. Hearst's lavish and exotic tastes, his romantic juggling acts, his voracious appetite for anything that cost money and his ruthless pursuit of political office easily congeal into cartoonish self-parody. Procter, a history professor at Texas Christian University, proves that Hearst's intentions were pure—he genuinely wanted to improve the lives of all Americans. The focal point of the mogul's last 40 years is an unshakable political curse. Never internalizing the art of compromise, Hearst failed again and again to parlay his national newspaper puissance into political capital. He had a great knack for making, embellishing and fabricating the news, but no talent for anticipating it, as he continually dug his heels into the historically wrong side of all the big issues—from U.S. involvement in WWI and WWII to Roosevelt's New Deal. Revelatory research into the finer points of Hearst's protean political alliances is rich in detail, as is his infamous meeting with Hitler, but the author delivers the same summaries over and over again. --------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULRQCgvsdE&feature=player_embedded Quote Persevere, it pisses people off.
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