Young Turk Cenk's rants

[phreakwars]

[timesjoke]

Wow, talk about twisting facts, this idiot took a 4 in 10 single poll result and tried to transform that into a 'majority wanted government healthcare' truly magical garbage these progressives feed themselves.

 

Most of America was against healthcare reform that cost the Government more money they did not have, the Government offering a Canadian style system of insurance would have cost more than anyone could ever imagine. Obama promised to try and get the public option but the problem was there just was no money to pay for it. Idiots like the one in the video must believe money grows on trees or something but he certainly has no concept that the first thing any decision of this level must also have a way to pay for it.

 

Not one of these far left progressives ever tell us how we pay for such a thing......sure they do their usual "tax the rich" in the standard class warfare Progressives embrace, but in reality something that huge would have to include much higher taxes for every person in America, not a small increase, a massive increase and let's not forget that a large number of people are out of work so they are not paying into the system why the Government is spending record numbers to keep these people alive right now.

 

 

 

The "CHANGE" Obama promised America was not to change the fabric of America, not to bring socialist programs to America, the promise of "CHANGE" was to transform Washington, to bring cooperation and end partisan bickering to Washington. That "CHANGE" was a complete lie, Obama never intended to depart from the everyday normal partisan politics Progressives always conduct.

 

 

Progressives like Republicans have degrees of folowers, some are blindly progressive, some try to insert a little reality of cost into their dreams of creating a perfect daycare center of America. The biggest problem Obama had was the votes, the Government option was never an option because even his own fellow Progressives refused to vote for it. How can this wacko blame Obama for not getting it passed when most of his party told him no way?

 

 

Should he have beaten them with a club and forced them physically to vote for something they did not want? And would that make America a dictatorship where one man controlls all the votes of his party instead of the individuals all voting the way they feel is right?

 

 

 

I may not like progressives very much, but it seems you guys are tougher on each other without logical reasons than I ever could be.

[phreakwars]

Obama never intended to depart from the everyday normal partisan politics Progressives always conduct.

 

Yet another fine example of how TJ is too stupid to know he's stupid.

 

Let's get this right.

 

Obama is ALLEGEDLY a progressive.

 

He proves he is progressive by using the normal politics that a progressive uses.

 

He's so progressive in fact, that he went "MAVERICK" and "ROGUE" on progressives and never did what the progressives wanted.

 

Anybody else catch the total stupidity in that assessment?

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[phreakwars]

Most of America was against healthcare reform

 

That wasn't the point he was making.

 

The point he was making, was the REASON people were against it. For instance I MYSELF was against it. Go back and look at my old posts and you'll see this holds true.

 

Had it been improved on, I would have liked to see it pass. The one that was passed into law, had too much Republican ass kissing smeared on it which made it useless and corporate endorsed.

 

Progressives don't like big business, remember. Right wingers do.

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[phreakwars]

Not one of these far left progressives ever tell us how we pay for such a thing

Then you tuned out of listening. There are several way. Medicare buy in, increase in the (measley 1.3%) medicare tax, but let's not get into that. Your slow, we understand why you don't get it.

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[timesjoke]

 

Obama is ALLEGEDLY a progressive.

 

No, he is a self-declaired Progressive, his own words, not mine or yours. Are you now calling Obama a liar?

 

 

He proves he is progressive by using the normal politics that a progressive uses.

 

Like using class warfare and playing the race card to stop discussion of the actual policies and failures of his Administration.

 

Typical progressive, Bender you even said everyone who went against Obama was racist and it had nothing to do with his policies, your on the exact same page of behavior.

 

 

 

He's so progressive in fact, that he went "MAVERICK" on progressives and never did what the progressives wanted

 

 

As I have pointed out before against Hugo, there is no such thing as a "pure" political person on either side of the scale, but there are degree. Obama still drives the bus of the progressive movement to have Big Government "FIX" our lives. Obama is a Progressive even if he did not succeed in getting the votes for the most radical of progressive desires. Obama still tried though and his desire are those things even the radical Progressives want even if the political waters will not let those most radical desires float right now.

 

 

Obama did not go "maverick", he did as much as he could do with the support/votes he had available to him. He wanted more, just like the more radical elements of Progressives wanted more, their desires follow the same path, so he is definately a Progressive.

[phreakwars]

Boy you have an excuse for everything, don't ya TJ.

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[timesjoke]

Most of America was against healthcare reform

 

That wasn't the point he was making.

 

The point he was making, was the REASON people were against it. For instance I MYSELF was against it. Go back and look at my old posts and you'll see this holds true.

 

Had it been improved on, I would have liked to see it pass. The one that was passed into law, had too much Republican ass kissing smeared on it which made it useless and corporate endorsed.

 

Progressives don't like big business, remember. Right wingers do.

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Republican ass kissing?

 

 

You have lost your mind, almost nothing from republicans was included in the law and the ass kissing was done only by Progressives who piled special deal after special deal onto the reform just to get their own fellow Democrats to vote for it.

 

The huge ass kiss on the Unions to make them exempt to the new taxes on health insurance was not a Republican idea Bender.

 

 

 

The 'reason' most people did not want it was the expense Bender, everyone knew Obama was not being honest about the cost, and new independent research into the new law says the true cost over ten years will be closer to Three Trillion, not one trillion as Obama promised.

 

 

 

 

Not one of these far left progressives ever tell us how we pay for such a thing

Then you tuned out of listening. There are several way. Medicare buy in, increase in the (measley 1.3%) medicare tax, but let's not get into that. Your slow, we understand why you don't get it.

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No Bender, nobody has shown a detailed plan on how to pay for a monster single payer system, I already admitted they say as you just did and just offer a basic "tax the rich" theme but at the end of the day extremely huge taxes must be created to cover the cost of a single payer system.

 

Obama ran on a promise that nobody who makes less then $250,000 a year would see a tax increase, there is no possible way to create a single payer system wihout severely raising taxes on people who make less then $250,000 a year, this is fact, so what do you more radical progressives want him to do?

 

Should he have broken that promise of no new taxes just to make the tiny few of you radicals happy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't need excuses Bender, I have facts instead, like Obama's own words and direct actions, all I do is tell it like it is.

[phreakwars]

Should he have broken that promise of no new taxes

Your thinking of George Bush senior. Obama never promised no new taxes..

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[timesjoke]

Should he have broken that promise of no new taxes

Your thinking of George Bush senior. Obama never promised no new taxes..

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And you claim I am stupid?

 

Quote from Obama:

 

I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.

 

Wrong again Bender, do Progressives actually know what is going on in the world or do all of them shield themselves from reality the way you do?

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[phreakwars]

So which tax would that be that's went up?

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[timesjoke]

So which tax would that be that's went up?

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OMG, you can't keep a conversation straight can you Bender?

 

The guy in the video and you are crying Obama did not get a single payer system in place. One of my points was how no Progressives say how they can pay for such a monster and it is the massive cost and increased taxes that has almost all Americans against these huge socialist programs you Progressives want.

 

You say Obama turned his back on the more radical segments of the Progressives just because he could not force the more moderate Progressives to vote for massive tax increases that would be needed to get single payer healthcare passed.

 

 

 

So I asked you if Obama should go against his promise of not increasing taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year and for some reason, you tried to claim Obama never made that promise. Your either one of the least informed people in America or your so brainwashed that Obama is a God that your intentionally teling lies to try and make Obama look better.

 

 

 

So should Obama have broken his promise to the American people not to raise their taxes if they make under $250,000 a year just to make you and a few other radical Progressives happy Bender?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, to answer the question you asked trying to get away from you being wrong again,

 

 

Yes, Obama has broken that promise many times over but to name a couple real fast, he raised taxes on cigaretts while the average smoker makes around $40,000 a year, he added taxes on tanning booths and surely more than just the rich go to tanning beds, there are all sorts of new taxes on things like medical devices that more than just the rich have to buy.

 

 

So yes, Obama has broken that promise in a lot of small ways, but trying to pay for a single payer healthcare system would force the creation of new taxes on a scale never dreamed of before except in the dreams of Progressives. To pay for a single payer system, new taxes would be needed down to even the poorest of the poor. If Obama had to tax tanning beds to pay for this smaller intrusion of Government on healthcare, that means nothing will be safe from the new taxes that would be created to cover the cost of a single payer system.

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Not one of these far left progressives ever tell us how we pay for such a thing

Then you tuned out of listening. There are several way. Medicare buy in, increase in the (measley 1.3%) medicare tax, but let's not get into that. Your slow, we understand why you don't get it.

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Half of it was "paid for" by GW Bush's unfunded expansion of government in medicine.

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I think the progresives do not realize that Obama did all that was politically possible. He could not have gotten a Canadian style healthcare system through.

 

I favor abolishing the Department of Education. It ain't authorized in the Constitution. I do not blame GW for not abolishing the DOE. It would have been politically impossible in the current environment. I do blame him for expanding the role of the federal government in education with the No Child Left Behind Act.

 

The fact is the current healthcare bill is unfunded and there will have to be radical changes. If the liberals win it will be turning to a no frills government run system. If the Conservatives win it will be a return to our current system. The bill adds inflationary pressures to an industry where costs are already skyrocketing. It cannot survive in its present state.

[phreakwars]

Should he have broken that promise of no new taxes

Your thinking of George Bush senior. Obama never promised no new taxes..

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And you claim I am stupid?

So which tax would that be that's went up? Never did see an answer.

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[phreakwars]

So which tax would that be that's went up? Never did see an answer.

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[timesjoke]

So which tax would that be that's went up? Never did see an answer.

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Go back and read, I already gave you a few examples, is your progressive blindness kicking in the way you refused to admit the Republicans had new ideas when IWS was posting dozens of them over and over?

 

 

You always seem to take this tactic, you just stick your head in the sand and pretend the things you don't want to see do not exist.

[timesjoke]

I think the progresives do not realize that Obama did all that was politically possible. He could not have gotten a Canadian style healthcare system through.

 

I favor abolishing the Department of Education. It ain't authorized in the Constitution. I do not blame GW for not abolishing the DOE. It would have been politically impossible in the current environment. I do blame him for expanding the role of the federal government in education with the No Child Left Behind Act.

 

The fact is the current healthcare bill is unfunded and there will have to be radical changes. If the liberals win it will be turning to a no frills government run system. If the Conservatives win it will be a return to our current system. The bill adds inflationary pressures to an industry where costs are already skyrocketing. It cannot survive in its present state.

And Bender will not allow himself to read any of that, lol.

[phreakwars]

So lets see. A tax on cigarettes and tanning booths... hmm, yeah... real economy destroyers there huh?

 

Why, that's TYRANNY

 

Well, I ain't paying those taxes, are you paying these extra taxes TJ?

 

Come on, tell me, now be HONEST.

 

Are you "SUFFERING" and being OVER RUN WITH TYRANNY?

 

Do you smoke? Do you tan?

 

So Obama didn't keep his promises.

 

BIG FUCKING DEAL (he's no messiah, ya know).

 

You didn't vote for him, so who gives a fuck?

 

He never taxed me. Did you get taxed more TJ?

 

If not, then don't tell me you give a fuck about someone else, namely a smoker, or a person who tans, getting a tax.

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[emkay64]

Tanning Tax? Are you kidding me? Why on earth would that be a tax...lmao...

[timesjoke]

So lets see. A tax on cigarettes and tanning booths... hmm, yeah... real economy destroyers there huh?

 

Why, that's TYRANNY

 

Wow, you took your blinders off for a few seconds and are letting yourself read what was already posted, that is a very big step for a progressive Bender, I am proud of you.

 

 

Now we have to deal with you're excuse machine reaction to hard facts that prove your wrong, I hope you don't retreat back to the blinders, you might just learn something if you let yourself see some reality for a change:

 

 

Economy destroyers? By themselves no, but this is how Progressives do things. One huge tax is easily beaten but you guys create thousands of tiny tax increases and increase fees and permits, and any other kind of code word for higher taxes you can find all to give the impression that what your doing is insignificant but in reality, when you add it all up the damage to America is massive and out of control.

 

 

 

Well, I ain't paying those taxes, are you paying these extra taxes TJ?

 

I notice you ignored the new taxes on medical devces, it is easy for you progressives to pretend you are only beating up on people nobody wants to defend but why should someone needing a hip replacement have to pay higher taxes? What did they do wrong they need to be punished with higher taxes?

 

 

But to answer your question, yes, I do pay these taxes, not directly but indirectly. Any higher tax must trickle down to every consumer on the planet one way or the other.

 

 

 

But wait a second Bender, does it matter if I personally pay them or not? The concept of new taxes are universl and unfair taxes are too. I don't believe something is good just because it is not happeneing to me.

 

 

 

Come on, tell me, now be HONEST.

 

Are you "SUFFERING" and being OVER RUN WITH TYRANNY?

 

Yes, in many ways I am, the many things Obama has done to destroy the private sector is directly hurting me. Take the oil drilling ban, Obama has killed over a hundred thousand jobs and he does not care how much it hurts Americans as long as he can play tree hugger. People out of work means they have no money to spend, money not being spent and no jobs means very little new construction jobs for me to earn my living building.

 

 

 

Do you smoke? Do you tan?

 

Irrelivent to a discussion of unfair taxes. Either Obama raised taxes against his promise or he did not. Just because you love him punishing smokers with new taxes, that does not change the fact he lied.

 

 

So Obama didn't keep his promises.

 

BIG FUCKING DEAL (he's no messiah, ya know).

 

Goes to character and honesty, either progressives tell the truth or they don't.

 

 

And you treat him like a messiah or a king the way your an automatic excuse machine for his many failures. You have never admitted he has severely screwed up, you can't even admit he lied to get his stimulus package (special interest payoff) passed.

 

You didn't vote for him, so who gives a f ?

 

He is the President of the United States, not the President of the Progressives only. The President is supposed to listen to and represent everyone in America, not just the most radical Progressives who want to transform America into a daycare center.

 

I give a f because I care about the damage done to Aemrica in general and the people I love and care about specifically. My children are going to grow up in America, I want them to still have a few freedoms for their life, and I want their kids to have freedoms too.

 

 

He never taxed me. Did you get taxed more TJ?

 

He has caused my insurance policy to increase by 31% to cover the new mandates, my employer is considering dropping our company coverage because it will be cheaper to just pay the fine, so yes, I do care about the new taxes, new taxes that increased the cost of medical devices my health insurance must now pay for.

 

I also have a seperate medical policy most know as "gap" insurance. This policy will pay my deductables and 10% of any hospital stay. The policy also went up 18%. So yes, my costs went up because of new taxes imposed by Obama.

 

 

If not, then don't tell me you give a f about someone else, namely a smoker, or a person who tans, getting a tax.

 

 

So using your point, you also should not care about people who don't have insurance because you have insurance right? We can't care about people and things that don't directly involve us Bender?

 

 

I'm not like you Bender, I care about ending unfair taxes no matter who is paying them. And it is not so much because I am that warm hearted but it is more to the point that I don't want the Federal Government to have any new taxes from any source. All the Federal Government is going to do with it is waste it.

 

 

 

 

 

Here is an interesting concept for you to think about:

 

 

Why is it America is making less money, is out of work, is having to learn to live on less money from day to day but you Progressives think the Government should not also learn to cut back, to learn to survive on less, to even eliminate things that it cannot afford?

 

 

That is why we saw in the news recently how California completed a school costing $578 million dollars where most of the money was spent on lavish decorations and not just rooms to teach and administer education.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100822/ap_on_re_us/us_taj_mahal_schools

 

 

This is what you get with Progressives, they don't respect money, it is always someone else paying for their ideas, not them.

[phreakwars]

Take the oil drilling ban, Obama has killed over a hundred thousand jobs and he does not care how much it hurts Americans as long as he can play tree hugger. People out of work means they have no money to spend, money not being spent and no jobs means very little new construction jobs for me to earn my living building.

So your saying "FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT" as long as it keeps someone employed?

 

I love how you tossed in the bit about how YOU YOURSELF are being affected personally, and it's of course, all Obama's fault.

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[timesjoke]

So your saying "f THE ENVIRONMENT" as long as it keeps someone employed?

 

A tad over the top don't you think?

 

So to you Progressives there is no middle ground, no way to offer better protections for the environnment than to kill hundreds of thousands of jobs and send those jobs overseas? You Progressives have sent almost all our industry overseas because of heavy regulations and helping Unions plunder them at the same time.

 

 

 

 

I love how you tossed in the bit about how YOU YOURSELF are being affected personally, and it's of course, all Obama's fault.

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And I love how you said you don't care about the broken promises and higher taxes because "YOU" are not having to pay higher taxes.

 

 

And yes, it is all Obama's fault, the oil ban was not put into place without the okay of the President, the entire healthcare law was designed by Obama, all of this is by his design.