Do atheists know more about Christianity than Christians?

[emkay64]

Men have been deciding what women should do with their bodies for a long time now. Apparently they don't need to know anything in order to make said decisions. So to answer your question: at this time "yes" surface knowledge or none at all..is required.

[timesjoke]

Men have been deciding what women should do with their bodies for a long time now. Apparently they don't need to know anything in order to make said decisions. So to answer your question: at this time "yes" surface knowledge or none at all..is required.

If anything, your predictable, I knew you would rather punt than admit I was right and had finally produced an example you could not possibly refute.

 

 

Men have tried to control women, this much is true, but most of the time it is the men who are still controlled themselves because men cannot measure up to the guile of a woman. But my question was not about control emkay and you know it. Even if men did control women that does not mean they know everything there is to know about women and that is my point as it relates to this discussion about Atheists "supposedly knowing" more about Christianity than Christians.

 

 

 

The man in my example knows everything there is to know about the parts that make up a woman, so is that all a woman is? Is being a woman clearly defined by her parts or is she more than that?

 

 

Does it take more than a knowledge of her anatomy to understand a woman?

 

 

Do you think being a woman is easily defined in a book and shared/understood by any man who takes the time to read and memorize the book?

[emkay64]

sigh ...As a woman...living as a woman I understand how the body works as a woman and most of what it entails to be a woman. A man does NOT have to live as a woman therefore he doesn't need to understand it completely. If I was going to live my life as a "Christian", I would aim to know all I could about something I'm dedicating my life to. The people in the study didn't even know what the wine symbolized and were drinking it nonetheless. Geeze..if I was symbolically partaking in a ritual I would for damn sure understand what the hell it was I was doing. Anyways..we agree to disagree. I feel knowledge is understanding, and that some sort of unification or commonality was present in religion. Apparently for you it isn't..it's just a feeling that can be shaped to fit however you want it to. So whatever..guess we're done here.

[builder]

I'm not sure who it is they are obeying, but it sure isn't the guy in the bible.

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Who would you suggest it is that they are obeying, Phreakwars?

 

 

There ultra-egos? There inner yang, perhaps?

 

Genuflecting to the east?

 

Oh, but you gotta have faith, right?

 

Faith in something rather intangible.

 

Something that you can never get to feel, taste, smell, or even smack?

 

Unless, of course, you keep praying, believing, genuflecting, and postulating until the day you die. Then, of course, there is no way to go back and tell anyone what a marvelous reward your life of sacrifice has granted you.

 

Seventy odd virgins ring any bells?

 

I'd take the virgins over a life at the feet of some vengeance-besotted Lord.

 

Drowned the whole earth to get rid of everyone that wasn't "worthy". Managed to keep the cockroaches, mosquitos, spiders and snakes on board.

 

Brilliant.

[timesjoke]

sigh ...As a woman...living as a woman I understand how the body works as a woman and most of what it entails to be a woman. A man does NOT have to live as a woman therefore he doesn't need to understand it completely. If I was going to live my life as a "Christian", I would aim to know all I could about something I'm dedicating my life to. The people in the study didn't even know what the wine symbolized and were drinking it nonetheless. Geeze..if I was symbolically partaking in a ritual I would for damn sure understand what the hell it was I was doing. Anyways..we agree to disagree. I feel knowledge is understanding, and that some sort of unification or commonality was present in religion. Apparently for you it isn't..it's just a feeling that can be shaped to fit however you want it to. So whatever..guess we're done here.

 

 

Again, your more interested in not wanting to admit I finally proved my point in a way you can't refute it then having a honest debate.

 

 

Either all the understanding of being a woman is based on the scientific breakdown of her body or it is not. It really is a simple concept and it offers a greater understanding of how difficult it is to explain faith to those who don't possess faith. An atheist trying to understand faith is like a man trying to understand a woman, it will never happen.

 

 

 

All I am saying is faith does not come frome religion, religion comes from man and there is no connection to salvation and any specific division of religion emkay.

 

 

 

 

What your trying to do is make faith a condition created from a book or specific religion, and that is why your wrong. Salvation has always been available to all men reguardless of their ability to read a Bible or attend a church. Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and God, religion comes from man, not God.

[builder]

 

Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and God, religion comes from man, not God.

 

 

 

So god has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with god?

 

 

Don't pass "go", don't collect two hundred monopoly dollars. Go straight to purgatory, and we'll visit you at our leisure. Just to poke sticks at you as an exhibit of what really happened to pre-renaissance Europe.

[emkay64]

So god has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with god?

 

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

[timesjoke]

So god has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with god?

 

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

 

Again, you guys have to lie to try and get out of the point. I never said God had nothing to do with faith, I said God had nothing to do with the creation of individual religions. Religions are a creation of man in his attempt to worship and understand God. There has never been a command from God to form any specific religion and most certainly has never created a name for it.

 

 

Faith comes directly from God and not from any book or church. It is a feeling inside you, a connection you feel through your soul, not from someone else or from any religious tool or textbook.

 

 

You do not need the ability to read or attend a church to be saved.

[builder]

So god has nothing to do with faith? And faith has nothing to do with god?

 

Apparently so? scratches head in bewilderment .

 

Em, if he don't know by now where to put his commas, I'm not gonna show him.

 

Are you gonna? :blink:

[emkay64]

Again I'm accused of lying..lying about what I don't know.

[timesjoke]

So emkay, is a woman clearly defined and understood completely based on an inspection of her scientific elements and written in a book or is a woman more than that? Can a person completely understand everything you are as a woman by reading and memorizing an anatomy book?

 

 

If you were to tell the truth you would have to admit that a woman is more, so why is it so difficult for you to understand that there is more to faith than what you can find in a religious book or ceremony?

 

 

These are human answers, not scientific answers.

 

Using pure science there is no way to prove love exists. Do you love anyone emkay? Cana book define your love and how that love can be a little different depending on who your talking about? Do we proclaim love as nonexistent because we can't prove it is real in a book?

[timesjoke]

Again I'm accused of lying..lying about what I don't know.

What I said was clear, you lied and tried to make it seem like I said God had nothing to do with faith, your doing that because you can't admit I proved my point that there is no way an Atheist can understand faith based on only what they can find in a book.

 

 

 

Several times in this thread you have tried to assign things to me that I have never said, why you constantly lie about my points I don't know but still you are doing it.

[wez]

Hey TJ.. does your faith tell you that whatever is the cause of human existence, it is the same cause for every human that has or will ever exist regardless of what people think/say/do?

[emkay64]

I won't lie any longer TJ..you have my apologies. Consider me finished.

[builder]

Hey TJ.. does your faith tell you that whatever is the cause of human existence, it is the same cause for every human that has or will ever exist regardless of what people think/say/do?

 

Wez, I thought you would have realised about fifteen episodes ago that you can't talk reason to one of the "chosen".

[eddo]

Times,

your sentence structure made your comment confusing:

"Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and God, religion comes from man, not God."

 

no one is lying about what you said. Some are poking fun at your grammar and lack of proper punctuation, and asking for clarification, but no one is lying. (yes, builder is just being a jerk. But Christians are the bane of society... go figure...)

 

simmer down now.

[eddo]

back on topic, sort of:

 

To quote someone smarter than me (I dunno who originally said it, but it's part of a song I like)

Faith is evidence of things unseen. I can't see the wind. I can see the effects of the wind, but I can't see the wind.

 

 

Religion is man's attempt to be closer to God. Unfortunately, it is easily manipulated and can bring a lot of hurt, instead of the love that is is supposed to bring. Religion should be a tool to help you grow closer to God, but too often it ends up driving a wedge. the Bible and church are supposed to be helps for you in your search to find God and what He wants for your life. But sometimes fallible people get in the way of an infallible God (sometimes I'm one of those that gets in the way of God.)

 

Times is right- you don't have to read or even go to church to be saved. Another fun quote is

"going to church makes you a Christian just as much as standing in your garage makes you a car."

 

 

All religions are after the same thing: closeness with God (personally, I think they are all seeking the same God, then just don't always want to admit that.) Man has gotten his grubby little hands over that process, and jacked a lot of it up.

[wez]

Emmy, you could never possibly understand what it's like to be human and contemplate your very existence.. only TJ has that capability.. quit lying!!!

[hugo]

A ventriloquist cowboy took a walk in the country and saw a rancher sitting on his porch with his dog.

Cowboy: "Hey, cool dog. Mind if I speak to him?"

Rancher: "This dog don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey dog, how's it goin'?"

Dog: "Doin' all right."

Rancher: (Look of extreme shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Dog: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food, and takes me to the lake once a week to play."

Rancher: (Look of disbelief)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"

Rancher: "Horses don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey horse, how's it goin'?"

Horse: "Cool."

Rancher: (An even wilder look of shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Horse: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often, and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements."

Rancher: (Look of total amazement)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"

Rancher: (Gesticulating wildly and hardly able to talk)......"Them sheep ain't nothin' but liars, every darned one of 'em!!!!

[emkay64]

A ventriloquist cowboy took a walk in the country and saw a rancher sitting on his porch with his dog.

Cowboy: "Hey, cool dog. Mind if I speak to him?"

Rancher: "This dog don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey dog, how's it goin'?"

Dog: "Doin' all right."

Rancher: (Look of extreme shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Dog: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food, and takes me to the lake once a week to play."

Rancher: (Look of disbelief)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"

Rancher: "Horses don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey horse, how's it goin'?"

Horse: "Cool."

Rancher: (An even wilder look of shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Horse: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often, and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements."

Rancher: (Look of total amazement)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"

Rancher: (Gesticulating wildly and hardly able to talk)......"Them sheep ain't nothin' but liars, every darned one of 'em!!!!

 

 

Aww Hugo was that a true story?

[snafu]

I don't go to church and I don't read the bible but I believe in God. I don't really even belive in the reserection of Jesus Christ but I do belive in Jesus Christ. I am a Christian.

[hugo]

A ventriloquist cowboy took a walk in the country and saw a rancher sitting on his porch with his dog.

Cowboy: "Hey, cool dog. Mind if I speak to him?"

Rancher: "This dog don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey dog, how's it goin'?"

Dog: "Doin' all right."

Rancher: (Look of extreme shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Dog: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food, and takes me to the lake once a week to play."

Rancher: (Look of disbelief)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"

Rancher: "Horses don't talk!"

Cowboy: "Hey horse, how's it goin'?"

Horse: "Cool."

Rancher: (An even wilder look of shock)

Cowboy: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at rancher)

Horse: "Yep."

Cowboy: "How's he treat you?"

Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often, and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements."

Rancher: (Look of total amazement)

Cowboy: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"

Rancher: (Gesticulating wildly and hardly able to talk)......"Them sheep ain't nothin' but liars, every darned one of 'em!!!!

 

 

Aww Hugo was that a true story?

Loosely based on my life in my rancher days.

[timesjoke]

Times,

your sentence structure made your comment confusing:

"Stop confusing religion with faith, faith comes only from within and God, religion comes from man, not God."

 

no one is lying about what you said. Some are poking fun at your grammar and lack of proper punctuation, and asking for clarification, but no one is lying. (yes, builder is just being a jerk. But Christians are the bane of society... go figure...)

 

simmer down now.

 

I am not mad so no need to simmer down.

 

What is a lie eddo? Being dishonest is a lie and both of them were dishonest about what I said, so they told a lie. Emkay did it several times trying to insert words into my mouth I never said. What I meant was clear, all they both did was grasp at any excuse to take shots at me and lie instead of admitting I offered a great example of how impossible it is for an Atheist to understand Christianity without faith.

 

 

I don't really care about Builder, he has proven himself to be an uneducated idiot many times over, but emkay is actually a very smart person and even if she does not believe it I want to respect her very much and each time she tells a lie just because she can't come up with anything else to respond with against my points it really makes it difficult to give her that respect.

 

 

 

 

back on topic, sort of:

 

To quote someone smarter than me (I dunno who originally said it, but it's part of a song I like)

Faith is evidence of things unseen. I can't see the wind. I can see the effects of the wind, but I can't see the wind.

 

This is why I also offered the example of love, we can't prove love exists using science, but it exists all the same.

 

Religion is man's attempt to be closer to God. Unfortunately, it is easily manipulated and can bring a lot of hurt, instead of the love that is is supposed to bring. Religion should be a tool to help you grow closer to God, but too often it ends up driving a wedge. the Bible and church are supposed to be helps for you in your search to find God and what He wants for your life. But sometimes fallible people get in the way of an infallible God (sometimes I'm one of those that gets in the way of God.)

 

This need to create various religions I believe is caused by their need to define what they can't fully understand. Humans have this drive to explain everything in human terms but this feeling we have is something that we can't give human meaning to. This is why I say that while a Atheist can memorize a passage from the Bible or know all sorts of religious methods, there is no way they can know Christianity without faith.

 

 

 

Times is right- you don't have to read or even go to church to be saved. Another fun quote is

"going to church makes you a Christian just as much as standing in your garage makes you a car."

 

Or reading a Bible makes you a Christian just as much as reading a western makes you a cowboy.

 

 

 

 

All religions are after the same thing: closeness with God (personally, I think they are all seeking the same God, then just don't always want to admit that.) Man has gotten his grubby little hands over that process, and jacked a lot of it up.

 

I also believe that most of the time they are trying to get closer to the same God. Each of us are approached by God in a way we are able to receive his love. Depending on how we are raised or our cultural differences, we may need a slightly different approach and God is all things to all men. I don't try to force God into my vision of what God must be.

[eddo]

I don't go to church and I don't read the bible but I believe in God. I don't really even belive in the reserection of Jesus Christ but I do belive in Jesus Christ. I am a Christian.

 

How can one be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection of Jesus?

 

Snaf, what do you believe about Jesus?

[phreakwars]

How can one be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection of Jesus?

 

 

Christian: follower of the teachings of Christ.

 

 

One does not need to give Jesus supernatural powers and abilities to be a Christian. The whole belief in the resurrection makes you a Christian thing comes from the council of Constantinople

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