Firefighting Fee

[timesjoke]

 

At this point at my current income, I'd have to find a roommate to move out with. I admit that I'm poor.

 

You are giving up, you just toss up your hands, use whatever excuse you can come up with and let your parents bail you out. Get another job, go out and actively find a decent roommate, the only thing stopping you from being an independent adult is you.

 

 

 

And I'm not saying "life is hard" or "woe is me". I'm simply explaining my situation. We grew up differently, in different areas, different experiences, different lives. I don't want your sympathy, Times.

 

But that is exactly what you are saying, you cry about how hard life is so you run to the boobie so your parents can help you live. Without your parents to fall back on, where would you be?

 

 

 

I still don't leech off my parents, Times.

 

Sure you are, you already admitted you would have to pay more on your own and you can't do it so you are a leech. How about that laundry and the food I know your parents are feeding you? You are basically living your life like any 16 year old with an after school job.

 

 

That's dependent on your situation. In my current situation, I don't want to live here too much longer. But at the moment, I don't have much of a choice.

 

But that is an excuse, you do have a choice, you just don't want to work that hard to make that choice. Either you are an independent adult or you are not. You said yourself you are lazy and sit around a lot, very overweight too if I remember correctly. Stop shoving your money down your neck as one example, get off the couch and go out to find a better job as another one, a second job if you can't find one better one. There are always options joker.

 

To be honest I blame your parents too, they are enabling your sloth.

 

 

The only guy I trust enough to be a roommate is helping support his family until his G-pa's house is getting built, then he's getting the hell out.

 

Then go find someone else, actively look, don't just sit at mommies house eating cheesy poofs and playing video games and expect you will find solutions to your problems.

 

 

Basically your life is on hold, treading water and living life like a teenager.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you're still demonizing the FD for something that didn't happen, and assuming they don't value human life.

 

They value life right below the value of a $75 payment. No payment, no consideration of human life.

[jokersarewild]

At this point at my current income, I'd have to find a roommate to move out with. I admit that I'm poor.

 

You are giving up, you just toss up your hands, use whatever excuse you can come up with and let your parents bail you out. Get another job, go out and actively find a decent roommate, the only thing stopping you from being an independent adult is you.

 

 

And I'm not saying "life is hard" or "woe is me". I'm simply explaining my situation. We grew up differently, in different areas, different experiences, different lives. I don't want your sympathy, Times.

 

But that is exactly what you are saying, you cry about how hard life is so you run to the boobie so your parents can help you live. Without your parents to fall back on, where would you be?

 

 

I still don't leech off my parents, Times.

 

Sure you are, you already admitted you would have to pay more on your own and you can't do it so you are a leech. How about that laundry and the food I know your parents are feeding you? You are basically living your life like any 16 year old with an after school job.

 

That's dependent on your situation. In my current situation, I don't want to live here too much longer. But at the moment, I don't have much of a choice.

 

But that is an excuse, you do have a choice, you just don't want to work that hard to make that choice. Either you are an independent adult or you are not. You said yourself you are lazy and sit around a lot, very overweight too if I remember correctly. Stop shoving your money down your neck as one example, get off the couch and go out to find a better job as another one, a second job if you can't find one better one. There are always options joker.

 

To be honest I blame your parents too, they are enabling your sloth.

 

The only guy I trust enough to be a roommate is helping support his family until his G-pa's house is getting built, then he's getting the hell out.

 

Then go find someone else, actively look, don't just sit at mommies house eating cheesy poofs and playing video games and expect you will find solutions to your problems.

 

 

Basically your life is on hold, treading water and living life like a teenager.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you're still demonizing the FD for something that didn't happen, and assuming they don't value human life.

 

They value life right below the value of a $75 payment. No payment, no consideration of human life.

 

All I saw there were assumptions, generalizations, and more assumptions. I do so enjoy how this thread turned into a personal examination of my life choices and you saying I'm a lazy, good-for-nothing fatass who leeches off of my parents. When you're done trying to examine my life from your high horse, you can get back down here and argue the point of the thread with the rest of us, TJ.

 

About the "value of life thing", you're still ignoring reality. There was nobody in the building, so you have no point. You're making things up to help your argument. As it turns out, "made-up sh t" isn't valid evidence to support your cause.

[timesjoke]

All I saw there were assumptions, generalizations, and more assumptions. I do so enjoy how this thread turned into a personal examination of my life choices and you saying I'm a lazy, good-for-nothing fatass who leeches off of my parents. When you're done trying to examine my life from your high horse, you can get back down here and argue the point of the thread with the rest of us, TJ.

 

I believe it was you who described yourself as lazy kid, not me, all I am doing is agreeing with you and offering you some advice based on that admission. You are way, way too old to be living at home but you can't figure out how to be an adult and survive without your parents taking care of you like a 16 year old. If you can't figure out how to manage your own finances to live on your own, you can never understand a much more complex financial issue like city budgets and taxes kid. You have to learn to walk before you can learn to run, and you are still living with mommy and daddy so at this point you only have the crawling down in life.

 

 

 

 

About the "value of life thing", you're still ignoring reality. There was nobody in the building, so you have no point. You're making things up to help your argument. As it turns out, "made-up sh t" isn't valid evidence to support your cause.

 

Reality? The policy of not responding to a fire unless the address is registered as paying their $75 is cut and dry. You are the idiot trying to make up sh!t that is not there, not me.

 

 

The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters.

 

"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schaitberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go."

[jokersarewild]

All I saw there were assumptions, generalizations, and more assumptions. I do so enjoy how this thread turned into a personal examination of my life choices and you saying I'm a lazy, good-for-nothing fatass who leeches off of my parents. When you're done trying to examine my life from your high horse, you can get back down here and argue the point of the thread with the rest of us, TJ.

 

I believe it was you who described yourself as lazy kid, not me, all I am doing is agreeing with you and offering you some advice based on that admission. You are way, way too old to be living at home but you can't figure out how to be an adult and survive without your parents taking care of you like a 16 year old.

 

I'm not "way, way too old" to be living at home, dipshit. I moved out when I turned 18 and lived out of my parents' house for about a year and a half or so.

 

Mind you, it's really not your place to judge my life, and it had nothing to do with the debate.

 

If you can't figure out how to manage your own finances to live on your own, you can never understand a much more complex financial issue like city budgets and taxes kid. You have to learn to walk before you can learn to run, and you are still living with mommy and daddy so at this point you only have the crawling down in life.

 

You assume I mismanaged my finances. I was working a different job and didn't have the finances. Again, not your place to judge, Times.

 

About the "value of life thing", you're still ignoring reality. There was nobody in the building, so you have no point. You're making things up to help your argument. As it turns out, "made-up sh t" isn't valid evidence to support your cause.

 

Reality? The policy of not responding to a fire unless the address is registered as paying their $75 is cut and dry. You are the idiot trying to make up sh!t that is not there, not me.

 

 

The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters.

 

"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schaitberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go."

 

I'm trying to make sh t up? Neither of us know their policy on rescuing people from fires. You're insinuating they would let people die.

[timesjoke]

 

I'm not "way, way too old" to be living at home, dipshit. I moved out when I turned 18 and lived out of my parents' house for about a year and a half or so.

 

Mind you, it's really not your place to judge my life, and it had nothing to do with the debate.

 

So you made one attempt, failed, and now what are you doing? Licking your wounds and feeling "safe" sucking on the teat?

 

Do you plan to try again or just keep playing it safe with mommy and daddy?

 

 

You assume I mismanaged my finances. I was working a different job and didn't have the finances. Again, not your place to judge, Times.

 

So yu tried and failed and gave up......you never figured out how to live on your own, this is my point, all you did was get out there, run out of money, and run home to the boobie.

 

 

Now if you had got a second job, moved to a less expensive place, got a roomy, or figured out how to reduce some bills, then you would have learned something, but all you learned was how to give up and run back to the tittie.

 

 

 

About the "value of life thing", you're still ignoring reality. There was nobody in the building, so you have no point. You're making things up to help your argument. As it turns out, "made-up sh t" isn't valid evidence to support your cause.

 

Reality? The policy of not responding to a fire unless the address is registered as paying their $75 is cut and dry. You are the idiot trying to make up sh!t that is not there, not me.

 

 

The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters.

 

"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schaitberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go."

 

 

 

 

I'm trying to make sh t up? Neither of us know their policy on rescuing people from fires. You're insinuating they would let people die.

 

I'm not making anything up, it is their policy that dispatch will not pass a call through to the fire department if the address is not on their list of who has paid for fire services. I am talking about the policy, you are the guy trying to make sh!t up to try and paint the Government in a better light because you believe in and worship government as always right, I don't.

 

Let's go back to the quote I used to again make the best point:

 

The fire department's decision to let the home burn was "incredibly irresponsible," said the president of an association representing firefighters.

 

"Professional, career firefighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up," Harold Schaitberger, International Association of Fire Fighters president, said in a statement. "They get in their trucks and go."

 

 

I want fire fighters to be firefighters and buracrats to be buracrats.

 

Public safety is one place we should not be picking and choosing who to help in times of emergencies....IMHO.

[jokersarewild]

1. Still not your place to judge my life, Times.

 

Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

 

2. But you're assuming they won't go out and rescue people if they're in a burning building.

[wez]

1. Still not your place to judge my life, Times.

 

Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

 

2. But you're assuming they won't go out and rescue people if they're in a burning building.

 

See, in TJ's world, if he can somehow find something that he believes he can use to make you feel inferior through shame and/or guilt, it will validate his retarded arguments. His hope and the unspoken expectation is you'll stop disagreeing with him and kiss his fat ass to avoid being embarrassed and shamed in front of others in the future..

 

I think it's chapter 6 of the Control Freak Guide 101..

 

Don't sweat it.. kid.. hehe ..

 

Just be thankful he can't impose chapter 5 on ya.. Obedience through physical violence..

 

TJ is a dipshit..

[emkay64]

We are all guilty of hitting below the belt. The fact of the matter is that Joker has made some good points and so has TJ. Neither position has been proved but TJ...you are resorting to the bully tactics that you claim you are the victim of all the time. The fact that Joker is young doesn't make his points any less valid. The fact you don't agree doesn't allow you to condescendingly call him kid at every turn or attack his homelife. Granted Joker put out plenty of ammo for you to play with...just saying you are considerably older and calling out some young guy for being poor is pretty low. Not saying you are totally to blame..Joker has been shooting his mouth off a bit..but you are aiming to cut deeper. One could use the fact that you admitted to being fat against you at every opportunity..inserting the word "fattie" into every communication..or maybe if we really wanted to attack you at the core we could call you "weekend daddy" in every post. Not saying anyone should..but decide how deep you want to cut. Frankly I think the firefighting thread is dead. Neither of you can agree and it's pretty much a draw..or do we need to declare a winner?

[eddo]

See, in TJ's world, if he can somehow find something that he believes he can use to make you feel shame or guilt, it will validate his retarded arguments as his hope and the unspoken expectation is you'll stop disagreeing with him and kiss his fat ass to avoid being embarrassed and shamed in front of others in the future..

 

 

so, are you the pot, or the kettle?

[wez]

so, are you the pot, or the kettle?

 

I'm not you.. or TJ..

[timesjoke]

We are all guilty of hitting below the belt. The fact of the matter is that Joker has made some good points and so has TJ. Neither position has been proved but TJ...you are resorting to the bully tactics that you claim you are the victim of all the time. The fact that Joker is young doesn't make his points any less valid. The fact you don't agree doesn't allow you to condescendingly call him kid at every turn or attack his homelife. Granted Joker put out plenty of ammo for you to play with...just saying you are considerably older and calling out some young guy for being poor is pretty low. Not saying you are totally to blame..Joker has been shooting his mouth off a bit..but you are aiming to cut deeper. One could use the fact that you admitted to being fat against you at every opportunity..inserting the word "fattie" into every communication..or maybe if we really wanted to attack you at the core we could call you "weekend daddy" in every post. Not saying anyone should..but decide how deep you want to cut. Frankly I think the firefighting thread is dead. Neither of you can agree and it's pretty much a draw..or do we need to declare a winner?

 

lol, well at least you are a tad gentler with me than ever before in our history so I thank you for that,

 

Actually Joker's lack of finiancial responsibility and immature attitudes is very relivant to the discussion. He has no clue what things cost or how city budgets work but he tries to go on and on about budgets just because hugo planted that false notion in his head. Pretty much anything hugo says, joker mimicks it and pretends it was his idea. There is no true debate attempt on his part, all he wants to do is try and 'one up' me so if he is not taking it seriously and is behaving like a 12 year old, why not treat him that way?

 

 

I already said I was trying to offer a solution to the problem, I already said it was 100% the homeowner's fault, I already said "legally" the city was right. Joker is pushing the negative aspect so if that is all he wants why not give it to him?

 

 

Not like there is much else to discuss on the forum right?

 

 

 

 

By the way, call me "fattie" or "conservative" all you want, you can never bother me that way darling. Only progressives seem to be bothered by that sort of thing, lol. Sure, it gets a tad old when some of you guys are doing the gangbang thing, but even that is not what you are saying but instead the concept of the gangbangs themselves that irritate a little.

[timesjoke]

1. Still not your place to judge my life, Times.

 

Matthew 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

 

7:2 "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. "

 

 

I have no problem being judged on the same measure as I judge joker, I am not an "adult" living at home because life is too hard for me.

 

 

Don't toss around scripture when you clearly have no real understand of any of it kid. You insult the word of God just to try and play childish games. Go out and take responsibility for your own life and stop being angry just because people like me tell you adults should not be leeching off their parents to survive.

 

 

 

 

2. But you're assuming they won't go out and rescue people if they're in a burning building.

 

They won't, it is set policy to only send a fire call if the name is on their list. There is no exclusion for a dwelling that is occupied, in fact at the time of the call how would a dispatcher know for sure or not anyway? The owner could just lie and say someone is in there to get free services....right? As you get older and mature you might be able to put these things together on your own, until then, I will gladly help you out.

[wez]

Hey TJ.. don't you got some of your own "kids" that need a self esteem demolishing.. or beating.. or sumpin'?

[emkay64]

All right then. Play on. BTW..I never said I would call you that or that it should be done. I'm just surprised that being in the gutter is where you want to play. I thought your pedestal was much higher? If Joker looks up to Hugo and tries to one up you..isn't that debate? He agrees with Hugo and added his own points as well. Just because he doesn't look up to you or see your side as right...does not mean he's a child.

 

P.S. Don't call me darling...

[eddo]

I am not an "adult" living at home because life is too hard for me.

 

aww, TJ is homeless.

 

That explains so much.

[emkay64]

No Eddo...he's an adult living at home because life is too easy and he likes teats, titties, boobies and whatever other word for breast we can find. I'm just guessing...could be wrong.

 

Perhaps TJ could market his own "get out on your own" kit!!!

 

Sandpail--CHECK!

Dirt--CHECK!

Worms and shitty self-esteem--DOUBLE CHECK!

TJ Fortune cookie with the message "If you run out of money and get hungry..eat the worms! DO NOT come home to suck on my man teats!"

 

...all yours for $19.95 (If you can't afford this..you must submit to a motorboat by TJ)

[wez]

Perhaps TJ could market his own "get out on your own" kit!!!

 

Sandpail--CHECK!

Dirt--CHECK!

Worms and shitty self-esteem--DOUBLE CHECK!

TJ Fortune cookie with the message "If you run out of money and get hungry..eat the worms! DO NOT come home to suck on my man teats!"

 

...all yours for $19.95 (If you can't afford this..you must submit to a motorboat by TJ)

 

 

hahahahahahahahaha

 

 

Make a perfect present for the sweet 16 party!

[jokersarewild]

2. But you're assuming they won't go out and rescue people if they're in a burning building.

 

They won't, it is set policy to only send a fire call if the name is on their list. There is no exclusion for a dwelling that is occupied, in fact at the time of the call how would a dispatcher know for sure or not anyway? The owner could just lie and say someone is in there to get free services....right? As you get older and mature you might be able to put these things together on your own, until then, I will gladly help you out.

 

Quote me their policy then. Post the exact part where it says "We don't rescue people because of a lack of monetary compensation".

 

And Times, you can keep saying I leech off of my parents, etc, but you really are just a bully picking on someone half your age. You can claim it has something to do with the argument, but it really doesn't. You're just making stuff up to support your side, and that's great. I'm glad your sense of self-worth is so high that you insist other people are lower than you based on a standard you hold because your life played out differently than others.

 

In the end, you're just a bully, TJ. You paint yourself the victim, and in classic bully fashion, feel the need to pick on others to get the control back that the bullies took away from you. I think I pity you more than anything. You can down on my lifestyle all you want, but you're still a 40 year old man picking on a 21 year old "kid". Shameful, really.

[jokersarewild]

I am not an "adult" living at home because life is too hard for me.

 

aww, TJ is homeless.

 

That explains so much.

 

I was laughing so hard I was in tears when I saw that. Fucking brilliant.

 

No Eddo...he's an adult living at home because life is too easy and he likes teats, titties, boobies and whatever other word for breast we can find. I'm just guessing...could be wrong.

 

Perhaps TJ could market his own "get out on your own" kit!!!

 

Sandpail--CHECK!

Dirt--CHECK!

Worms and shitty self-esteem--DOUBLE CHECK!

TJ Fortune cookie with the message "If you run out of money and get hungry..eat the worms! DO NOT come home to suck on my man teats!"

 

...all yours for $19.95 (If you can't afford this..you must submit to a motorboat by TJ)

 

But if I call now, can I get two sets for the same price? And does the $19.95 include shipping and handling?

[emkay64]

...ohhhh...it includes some "handling". Nothing is free in life bitch!! Better get used to it. Now git to yer farmin'!

 

I think I sounded very un-progressive right there!! Maybe more communist...perhaps sadist?

[jokersarewild]

...ohhhh...it includes some "handling". Nothing is free in life bitch!! Better get used to it. Now git to yer farmin'!

 

I think I sounded very un-progressive right there!! Maybe more communist...perhaps sadist?

 

Don't worry, Emkay, if it's handling you want, it's handling you'll get

[timesjoke]

 

Quote me their policy then. Post the exact part where it says "We don't rescue people because of a lack of monetary compensation".

 

Was it not you who said the firefighters did not refuse to respond to the fire but instead the dispatcher who followed policy to not pass on a fire call unless the homeowner had paid their $75 fee? In all the interviews the city managers never once mentioned any other policy than the one you mentioned. If you want to claim they will make an exception then you provide the evidence you are using to believe that.....unless you are just making it up and there is no exception to the policy.......lol.

 

 

 

And Times, you can keep saying I leech off of my parents, etc, but you really are just a bully picking on someone half your age.

 

Just telling the truth kid, nothing more. It would not matter if you were 40 years old, leeching off your parents is leeching off your parents.

 

Picking on you? Really? Did I hurt your little feelings? You going to pout and stomp your foot too?

 

 

 

You can claim it has something to do with the argument, but it really doesn't.

 

In a discussion about budgets and stuff your lack of experience is very relevant. You are a kid living at home with no idea how to take care of yourself so how can you try to talk intelligently on things like City budgets? You have to have some frame of reference, some knowledge of the subject, and you don't have any.

 

 

You're just making stuff up to support your side, and that's great.

 

Made stuff up? You said you could not handle living on your own and moved back in with your parents kid, not me. All I did was comment on what you said, if it was made up, it was you who made it up, not me.

 

 

 

 

I'm glad your sense of self-worth is so high that you insist other people are lower than you based on a standard you hold because your life played out differently than others.

 

Is a ant lower in life than you? Is it an insult or a self-worth issue to say the ant is lower in life than you? I don't believe you are "lower" than me kid, you just are not as smart as me and instead of trying to learn more, you try to pretend you are superior and turn to insults and personal attacks so if that is all you want to do, that is all I will give you in return. I am trying to teach you a lesson but you don't want to learn, you only want to feed your ego in "beating" me in something so that is all you are letting yourself see.

 

 

 

In the end, you're just a bully, TJ. You paint yourself the victim, and in classic bully fashion, feel the need to pick on others to get the control back that the bullies took away from you. I think I pity you more than anything. You can down on my lifestyle all you want, but you're still a 40 year old man picking on a 21 year old "kid". Shameful, really.

 

 

You are the one playing victim kid, and now you have mommy emkay trying to coddle you but I really don't care one way or the other. I don't need to control anything, I am a successful adult, with three awesome children of my own, a great job and a couple businesses of my own. I find my accomplishments in the real world so I don't need to try and pump up my nuts in this pretend world some of you guys seem to devote yourselves to for your personal self-worth.

 

For some reason many of you feel if you can talk trash on the internet you have done something to be proud of.....silly really.

 

 

 

 

Emkay,

 

Darling I am just giving what I get, as usual all you ever do is talk trash about me and you never talk trash about people like joker who started it.

 

I don't want things to be this childish to be honest, but yanking Joker's string and watching him cry like a baby is fun too. As I said before, what else is there to do? Even now do you make a new thread to talk about something else or are you spending your time trashing me? So if I trash the kid that is bad, but if you go out of your way to trash talk me, that is a reasonable and worthwhile expenditure of time?

 

At least me and Joker are dancing around an actually discussion at the same time, what are you offering other than an attack on me?

Hell, I remember many, many times all you ever offered a discussion was coming in to point out my spelling errors and such and never being part of the debates so again, how are you any different?

 

 

Oh, the get out on your own kit is easy, just push self-esteem and self-respect and there is no way a kid will want to leech off their parents. I offer this class for free to my children because I love them. Too bad more and more parents are like Joker’s and don’t care enough about their kids future to make them learn these lessons too.

[emkay64]

The only thing you offer TJ is a master class on failed marriage, part-time parenting, lame sexual maneuvers, intellectual mediocrity and narcissism. I have no doubt that the thing that bothers you most is that no one....especially the young want to learn ANYTHING from you. You should be proud though...you are a model of everything a person should never strive to be. So thank you for that.

 

BTW...I agreed with you waaaay back when in this thread. I only commented when you seemed to take such pride in making someone much younger than you " cry like a baby". Seems that is the epitome of bully. I've grown to hate the word "hypocrite"..because it's so overused here....but you are exactly that...a hypocrite. If your kids are awesome...it's not by your contribution, if you have money...my guess is you stole it, if you have property...you no doubt inherited it from the woman that "has never had to work a day in her life because her parents had money". Continue beating up Joker if it makes you feel superior I guess...but no one looks up to you, no one is jealous of your fat, bloated body or your delusions of grandeur.

 

I promise to leave the forum completely open to debate TJ. I won't interrupt this thread again.

[timesjoke]

Well that was funny as hell, really emkay, I find it hilarious that you stirke out at me in such an out of control way just because you want to play mommy and protect little Joker.

 

Everything I said about Joker was things he said himself, I did not have to make up lies to try and put him down as you are emkay. Why lie? Why do you need to create such a nasty image of me and flame me just because I tell the truth about someone you want to protect?

 

 

Is protecting someone you see as weak really so important that you feel lies are justified? Really?

[wez]

Picking on you? Really? Did I hurt your little feelings? You going to pout and stomp your foot too?.

He's not you, ya f cking peckersniffer..

 

I am just giving what I get.

Actually, you're getting what you give, Mr Opposite, which is what you'll always get from me..

 

Run and hide tough guy.. I'm sure the poor you have so much disdain for need another sub standard housing development bout now.. you can name it Worm Farm Estates and provide exclusive fire protection services..

 

F cking idiot.. wake up... you fool no one around here.. Go beat your own f cking family.. part time of course..