11 year old (HIV Positive) has sex w/ 20 people

[Jhony5]

You know.....I wonder. They say it can't be spread through saliva, yet you can be tested for HIV with an oral swab. When I got my new car insurance policy, I got a life insurance policy with it. They had me stick the swab in my mouth for 30 seconds, and the swab was sent to a lab. I never thought about that until now.

 

Like I said, I'll believe what the experts have to say about it when they prove their expertise by curing HIV.

[Lethalfind]

You know.....I wonder. They say it can't be spread through saliva, yet you can be tested for HIV with an oral swab. When I got my new car insurance policy, I got a life insurance policy with it. They had me stick the swab in my mouth for 30 seconds, and the swab was sent to a lab. I never thought about that until now.

 

They also tell you that wearing a condom will protect you...when the HIV virus is smaller then the microscopic holes in a condom...

[Jhony5]

As well there are documented cases of children with AIDS in the absence of any known reason for the contraction.

[Lethalfind]

As well there are documented cases of children with AIDS in the absence of any known reason for the contraction.

 

From what I understand an infected Mother can pass it along even in her breast milk not too mention that while pregnant the Mother can pass it along to the unborn child.

 

I watched a story about a Fireman who worked with the Ambulance who contracted HIV. He stated that he had not been unfaithful to his wife and had never used IV drugs, he had been married for many years. He had also been involved in episodes of HIV patients who had been in accidents, on in particular where he had an open wound that the bandage slipped off. If he is being truthful then its VERY sad he would become ill after helping someone.

 

Maybe this is cold hearted of me but there are certain people I don't feel badly for that contract HIV. Behave in a high risk manner...don't cry about the consequences.

[ToriAllen]

:o Oh..ya...errrmm. Strike that from the record please.

Strike what from the record?

 

Yes it is. Its a law in most states.

 

LOL, no thats not what I meant. I think some of you are being a bit naive about this "little girl". If you were to stop and try and help her, I bet shes more likely to rob your ass then accept your generosity.

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[snafu]

and I would not treat her as if she had been a helpless victim. Her ass would be grounded so severely that she wouldn't see the light of day for years. And if she had to be put on probation due to subsequent prosecution for an illegal sex act, then all better. That'd make it easier on me to lock her ass up tight and straighten her ass out!

 

Jhony this is why they dont' come foward with the molestation. They are afraid of what the adults would do and say. They feel guilty. They get talked into it. Then they have second thoughts. But it's to late. the pedo puts the guilt on them. I'm telling you when a child is molested (even with consent) they are messed up for life. It's a sad state of afairs.

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

The 11 year old sucked cock by choice, repeatedly, she had probably done it before

 

Can't fault a lady for being a born cock-sucker!

[ToriAllen]

And why haven

[Jhony5]

White font NN? Why not stick with default letter color, I can't read your writtings bud.

[Jhony5]

ya I have been fucking with the settings, yet another example of why to many options are a bad thing..

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Actually I've been trying to remember how to switch the color format of the board, from white to black. The black seems easier on the eyes but I've become to stupid to figure out how to change it.

[ToriAllen]

Were do you get this data? I have a pretty big family, lots of brothers and sisters and lots of children between us. All the girls have hit puberty and started getting their periods around 10 years old.

I looked for some kind of legitimate scientific data on this and what I was able to find was not conclusive. Please provide a link if possible.

You can’t look at family when determining the norm for something like that. Menstruation relies on genetic factors, so of course, all of the females in your family are going to experience menarche around the same age. The first thing girls learn in sex ed is to approximate when your first period will be by finding out when your mothers was. Maybe you rely too much on the internet. Good old books are great for information.

 

Lifespan Development, by Helen Bee and Denise Boyd (2002) Page 280:

“Among girls in industrialized countries today, menarche occurs, on average, between 12

[Lethalfind]

Read Kinsey

[ToriAllen]

I gave the link at the beginning of my first post – The Kinsey Institute –

The original Kinsey report from the 40’s & 50’s was with 16 years old and ^ later studies published data starting at 15 years old & ^, additionally any observant individual can accurately see what is, and has been going on (the trend) part of scientific observation includes case studies from various aspects. My statement can be proven by the following means:

I realize what the age range of this study was. I was responding to your second study. Is this your way of avoiding my response?

 

1. Historical data showing the documented increase in earlier sexual activity by females 18 & under

I’m sure it shows earlier activity for both males and females since the 50’s

 

2. Increase in teen pregnancies

This generally must include a male.

 

3. Increase in criminal prosecution of underage sexual interaction.

That could be an increase in numbers rather than percentages. It could also include males. How many of the males on here had sex with a much older woman when they were teens? What are the ages involved? Take a 16 year old that has sex with a 15 year old…One is legal, one isn’t. Does sexual interaction include forced interaction or only consensual?

 

4. Increased in 18 & under abortions

It is becoming more and more acceptable, even encouraged.

 

5. Disproportional drops outs of female high school students compared to their male counterparts

The men having sex don’t run the risk of getting pregnant.

 

6. Increase in single parent households

That is what happens when children have sex before they are ready.

 

7. Increase in co-habitation vs. married couple households

This could be applied to any age group.

 

8. Increase in the use of female specific birth control at earlier ages

Parents are starting to buy it for them because they have the attitude, “They’re going to do it anyway.”

 

Never once have I said sexual activity was not increasing, so why do you insist on trying to convince me of what everyone already knows. A lot of parents are too selfish to be concerned with what their children are doing. Many parents were children themselves, and were/are too immature to raise children of their own. It is a perpetuating cycle that is getting bigger.

 

And this:

Oh, this must be the study I was responding to before…

 

Archives of sexual behavior; Vol-35, No-1 Feb-2006 Received: 15 May 2004 Revised:17 December 2004 Accepted: 20 February 2005 Over the past three decades, most research on adolescent sexual behavior has focused on vaginal intercourse and related behaviors, including contraception and unintended pregnancy.

 

In this study, we describe the prevalence and correlates of vaginal, oral, and anal sex in an epidemiologically defined population in Baltimore, Maryland. Case studies (ages 14–18), who had been enrolled in a behavioral intervention trial during elementary school, were interviewed between 1998 and 2002 to assess their sexual behavior.

This is the one I said was inconclusive because 16, 17, and 18 year olds are of the age of legal consent.

 

Of 1679 respondents interviewed, 70.8% were Black and 55% were women. Overall, 93% of the interviewed subjects reported vaginal intercourse, 81% reported receiving oral sex, 62% reported performing oral sex, and 10% reported receptive anal intercourse.

The racial proportions used in the study are not representative of the country. They may be representative of Baltimore, but they can not be applied to the general population. Because black children are more likely to be sexually active, the numbers will seem higher than those in the general population.

 

Among men, 27% reported insertive anal intercourse. Blacks initiated vaginal intercourse at an earlier age than Whites; White women performed oral sex earlier than Black women. Significant interactions were observed between age of first vaginal partner and both gender and race/ethnicity. Blacks initiated sex at an earlier age than Whites.

I am not seeing a lot of male vs. female percentages here. I am also not seeing any direct mention of specific ages here, and certainly nothing pertaining to 11 year olds.

 

We also observed a relationship between older sex partners and earlier vaginal sex initiation among men. We conclude that older sex partners play an important role in sexual initiation among young adults. In light of the rates of oral and anal sex, sexual education and intervention programs should address the risk for unintended consequences of these behaviors.

Which translates into…Men tend to lose their virginity to older women.

They don’t really define older. Is older 17 vs. 16? Maybe 16 vs. 15?

 

The 16 year old, from the article only coached her in the bed room, then the 11 year headed down to the main party room and proceeded to perform oral coitus repeatedly with no coaching what so ever.

 

Wrong…Let me pull out the highlights for you...

"You can't expect her to be doing well," he said Friday.

McGee said the girl feels like she was misled by the 16-year-old.

"She now is trying to sort out who to trust and who not to," he said.

 

When the uncle, Freeman Gurley, came home from work the teenage girl encouraged the 11-year-old to have sex with him, the complaint said. Initially, the 11-year-old refused but then gave in, the complaint said.

 

Gurley admitted he had unprotected intercourse with the girl on the bed, the complaint said. In the juvenile court documents, Gurley said his niece coached the 11-year-old.

Chaney admitted the girl performed oral sex on him. He also told police the 16-year-old was directing the 11-year-old girl, the complaint said.

The 16 year old coached the vaginal and oral sex acts...

That an 11 year old girl willingly and actively participated in such acts is absolutely revolting, and morally disturbing to say the least. That she quite possibly knowingly transmitted HIV just as morally disturbing.

We all learn right and wrong from our role models, namely our parents.

 

If we chose to look at this incident from our towers of morality, we fail to see the overwhelming tide of similar social behavior sweeping not only across this county but western civilization as a whole, earlier this year there was a similar event in England involving an 11 year old female, pregnant, who had been engaging in sex for sometime.

It is an increasing problem that needs to be addressed. Never said it wasn’t. Parents should be held responsible. This laissez-faire attitude of parents and guardians needs to change.

 

While I find these particular events disgusting, there is no denying that it will only get worse… That was and is my point.

I agree. My only argument was with prosecution, rather than intensive counseling and perhaps state placement of the child in a fit environment.

 

Not ALL people raise their daughters to be sluts...AND yes I do think that if a child (male or female) is running like a slut, putting herself/himself in jeopardy AND those she/he has sex with, something should be done..., then they should be held responsible.

I also think something should be done. Perhaps, they should be removed from the environment they are in, because they are obviously not learning right from wrong. The parents should definitely be held responsible. The child should undergo counseling, classes, or even some kind of ‘camp’ for troubled teens.

[Lethalfind]

Unfortunately wherever they put this young girl, she has a loaded weapon against other people in the fact that she is infected with HIV...

Real people, I mean adults who knowingly have sex with people, don't warn them with the intent of trying to infect others with HIV have been charged in the past...

[ToriAllen]

Unfortunately wherever they put this young girl, she has a loaded weapon against other people in the fact that she is infected with HIV...

It's a special kind of gun where only the other person can pull the trigger.

Real people, I mean adults who knowingly have sex with people, don't warn them with the intent of trying to infect others with HIV have been charged in the past...

Let me point out that you stated, "with the intent of trying to infect others". There is no indication that she had any intent at all.

[builder]

Actually I've been trying to remember how to switch the color format of the board, from white to black. The black seems easier on the eyes but I've become to stupid to figure out how to change it.

 

At the bottom left of every page, is a little box with the layout options.

[builder]

Unfortunately wherever they put this young girl, she has a loaded weapon against other people in the fact that she is infected with HIV...

Real people, I mean adults who knowingly have sex with people, don't warn them with the intent of trying to infect others with HIV have been charged in the past...

 

Oral sex from an AIDS carrier is not known for transmission of the disease. Neither is vaginal intercourse when the female is the carrier. In fact, even if the male partner does not wear a condom, and is the infected carrier, the chance of contracting the disease through vaginal intercourse is 1 in 100,000.

 

And don't forget, this child was unchaperoned, except for the 16 yr old (who was probably getting sick of being the only fuck in the house), and a reported 15 men and teenage boys were calling the shots. It was probably a case of do what is needed to survive.

[builder]

That makes no sense. This is not about hate. I don't hate anyone that has a disease, which is quite different than a belief. Either argue the issue with logic and actual ideas, or don't bother posting.

 

You posit tattooing people with contagious diseases and call that logic?

 

I should have just said your concept was a crock of fucking shit. Is that better?

[ToriAllen]

Oral sex from an AIDS carrier is not known for transmission of the disease. Neither is vaginal intercourse when the female is the carrier. In fact, even if the male partner does not wear a condom, and is the infected carrier, the chance of contracting the disease through vaginal intercourse is 1 in 100,000.

Where the hell are you getting those numbers? How exactly is it that you think AIDS is spread? And, while you're at it, why not tell us where you think babies come from, as well...

[builder]

Where the hell are you getting those numbers? How exactly is it that you think AIDS is spread? And, while you're at it, why not tell us where you think babies come from, as well...

 

AIDS or HIV is more commonly spread through shared needle use in intravenous drug addiction.

 

Anal sex, whether hetero anal, or homosexual anal sex, is second on the list.

 

Vaginal sex, in this case where the female is the carrier, has the lowest chance of transfer.

 

Orally, you could drink a cupful of cum from an infected male, and unless you are suffering from skin ulcers of the mouth, or have a laceration within the mouth cavity, your chance of infection is next to nil.

[builder]

Oral sex risk.

 

Women are more at risk than men from vaginal sex.

[ToriAllen]

You posit tattooing people with contagious diseases and call that logic?

 

I should have just said your concept was a crock of fucking shit. Is that better?

It was just an exaggerated solution. Obviously, it wouldn't work, and not because of prejudice, but because of the tendency for humans to trust what they see. There would be no way to find everyone with a particular STD, and the various incubation periods of the disease combined with the fact that some people are just carriers without symptoms would compound the problem. The diseases would spread faster than ever because people would assume that a person without the particular STD indication was safe and therefore throw caution to the wind.

AIDS or HIV is more commonly spread through shared needle use in intravenous drug addiction.

 

Anal sex, whether hetero anal, or homosexual anal sex, is second on the list.

 

Vaginal sex, in this case where the female is the carrier, has the lowest chance of transfer.

 

Orally, you could drink a cupful of cum from an infected male, and unless you are suffering from skin ulcers of the mouth, or have a laceration within the mouth cavity, your chance of infection is next to nil.

Where are the actually stats? I know more people get AIDS through intravenous drug use, and since technically, the disease began in the homosexual population, more people have contracted the disease through anal intercourse, but that doesn

[ToriAllen]

Women are more at risk than men from vaginal sex.

Did you even read this before you posted it? It backs up what I'm saying. I know women are more likely than men to get AIDS, but the risk with vaginal sex is nowhere near 1 in 100,000. This article even said the risk from oral sex is higher than previously thought. It also pointed out that there is a risk, albeit low, to contract AIDS from kissing and cuddling. Thank you for providing this link, now find one with the 1 in 100,000 stat.

[builder]

I know it is more difficult for woman to spread it to a man than a man to spread it to a woman, but I do not believe the 1 in 100,000 chance of an infected man spreading it to a woman. If the chances were so slim, than why is the disease so rampant, and why do most infected individuals infect their spouses.

 

I saw that figure in passing. I'm not one for playing the odds. I'm very picky when it comes to sexuality. I'm guessing that infected individuals infect their spouses because they engage in high-risk activities, like anal sex, rough vaginal sex, and continuing to have sex when using drugs like ICE leads to literally "raw" sex, where one or both partners have rubbed their skin dry, without natural or provided lubrication.

 

Backing up a few pages

[ToriAllen]

I saw that figure in passing. I'm not one for playing the odds. I'm very picky when it comes to sexuality. I'm guessing that infected individuals infect their spouses because they engage in high-risk activities, like anal sex, rough vaginal sex, and continuing to have sex when using drugs like ICE leads to literally "raw" sex, where one or both partners have rubbed their skin dry, without natural or provided lubrication.

I seriously doubt all married couples engage in drug use and anal sex. You are just as likely to get AIDS from vaginal sex, as anal sex. Anal is more common because that is the part of the population that is currently most effected.

 

 

Firstly, the virus would need to be able to survive in a mosquito, which it cannot,

Says who? The virus can not survive long, and supposedly, there would have to be more of it.

and secondly, if the virus could be transferred to a mosquito, it would kill it very quickly, because of the simplistic nature of the insect's metabolism.

Mosquitoes, like most non-human organisms, are not effected by human diseases. Where do you get this stuff?