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[eddo]

They'll vote ignorant of the issues, and that's never a good thing.

 

 

is this really all that hard a concept for you to grasp TJ???

 

or is this another of your "social experiments"???

[jokersarewild]

They'll vote ignorant of the issues, and that's never a good thing.

 

 

is this really all that hard a concept for you to grasp TJ???

 

or is this another of your "social experiments"???

 

He'll just say that "JOE SAID PEOPLE SHOULDN'T VOTE, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN'T!"

 

Then proceed to tell us how wrong we are because he can't read the difference between "shouldn't" and "can't".

 

TJ, let me put it to you another way:

 

There are a lot of people who say Imam Feisal shouldn't build what he's building where he's building it. However, that doesn't mean they can't build it there.

[timesjoke]

They'll vote ignorant of the issues, and that's never a good thing.

 

 

is this really all that hard a concept for you to grasp TJ???

 

or is this another of your "social experiments"???

 

And that is the same point I made, the voters will vote for who gives them the most "free" Government money, not vote based on their knowledge of the issues and what is right for America in general.

[jokersarewild]

They'll vote ignorant of the issues, and that's never a good thing.

 

 

is this really all that hard a concept for you to grasp TJ???

 

or is this another of your "social experiments"???

 

And that is the same point I made, the voters will vote for who gives them the most "free" Government money, not vote based on their knowledge of the issues and what is right for America in general.

 

And you believe those people should vote?

[timesjoke]

They'll vote ignorant of the issues, and that's never a good thing.

 

 

is this really all that hard a concept for you to grasp TJ???

 

or is this another of your "social experiments"???

 

And that is the same point I made, the voters will vote for who gives them the most "free" Government money, not vote based on their knowledge of the issues and what is right for America in general.

 

And you believe those people should vote?

 

And there is my point, if you guys would stop with the automatic knee-jerk attacks and actually read what I am saying you would see I am saying exactly what IWS is saying and for the exact same reason. The direction the groups vote uninformed is different, I give you that, but I expressed that I did not want certain people to vote because they would vote responsibly, IWS said he did not want people to vote because they would not vote responsibly, we agree completely on the concept of some people not voting.

 

 

My only issue is when I said some peopel should not vote, Joe tried to take me to the woodshed saying it was wrong to say some people should not vote and what would result is a "ruling class". Well if IWS wants to set a standard for voting to be only those who meet up to his standard of education then is that not also creating a "ruling class"?

 

 

 

 

By the way, just to give context, IWS did not even vote in the last Presidential election. He is the kind of guy I was talking about needing to get out and vote. People like IWS who usually is fairly conservative tend to also neglect their duty to vote and help put conservative minded people in office. Many times they get discouraged because their choices are not "perfect" but by being discouraged, they actually help the Progressives win elections. If most Americans voted, no matter what their political leaning were, the politicians would listen to the public more.

[ImWithStupid]

I am saying exactly what IWS is saying and for the exact same reason. The direction the groups vote uninformed is different, I give you that, but I expressed that I did not want certain people to vote because they would vote responsibly, IWS said he did not want people to vote because they would not vote responsibly, we agree completely on the concept of some people not voting.

 

No, it isn't the same concept.

 

I believe someone who is not informed on the issues/candidates/platform/etc... should not vote on those things because they could be negating the vote of someone who is informed. I don't care if they agree with me or not. I do however believe that person, even in their ignorance, should be allowed to vote ignorant.

 

You advocated for people who don't pay taxes should lose their right to vote...

 

I remember you one time saying I was a bad person for saying only people who pay taxes should be allowed to vote.

 

Big difference.

 

Should not vote = my view = by choice

 

Should not be allowed to vote = TJ's view = by force

 

 

 

That said and on a side note, somewhat related...

 

People also should be aware that if you do show up to vote because you are informed on one issue/candidate/initiative on the ballot doesn't mean you are obligated to vote on those you aren't informed on. You can leave parts of the ballot blank. I do it all the time.

 

I don't always know about the candidates for our local public utility boards. I leave that part blank. I don't always know about who should be on the local airport authority board. I leave that part blank. etc...

[timesjoke]

Semantics IWS.

 

You said you believe some people should not vote.

 

I said some people should not vote, the intent is the same, your trying to hide behind an extra word or two instead of looking at the spirit of what we both said. Both of us offer examples of how we feel some people should not vote. You believe some people should not vote if they don't meet your standard of education, I believe some people should not vote if they are only going to vote for whoever will give them the most "free money". Uour reasons are different, but our point is exactly the same.......

 

 

Some people should not vote. I say it, you say it, we agree Joe, lol.

[ImWithStupid]

Semantics IWS.

 

You said you believe some people should not vote.

 

I said some people should not vote, the intent is the same, your trying to hide behind an extra word or two instead of looking at the spirit of what we both said. Both of us offer examples of how we feel some people should not vote. You believe some people should not vote if they don't meet your standard of education, I believe some people should not vote if they are only going to vote for whoever will give them the most "free money". Uour reasons are different, but our point is exactly the same.......

 

 

Some people should not vote. I say it, you say it, we agree Joe, lol.

 

So in your mind, there is no difference between someone who says, "I don't think it's necessary for people to have firearms." and someone who says, "I think the government should ban and confiscate firearms."

[timesjoke]

Semantics IWS.

 

You said you believe some people should not vote.

 

I said some people should not vote, the intent is the same, your trying to hide behind an extra word or two instead of looking at the spirit of what we both said. Both of us offer examples of how we feel some people should not vote. You believe some people should not vote if they don't meet your standard of education, I believe some people should not vote if they are only going to vote for whoever will give them the most "free money". Uour reasons are different, but our point is exactly the same.......

 

 

Some people should not vote. I say it, you say it, we agree Joe, lol.

 

So in your mind, there is no difference between someone who says, "I don't think it's necessary for people to have firearms." and someone who says, "I think the government should ban and confiscate firearms."

 

That is not what you said so the comparison is irrelevant.

 

You said some people should not vote, you seem to be trying to hide behind how that is accomplished but how else do you stop people from voting if not through the government Joe?

 

 

Maybe you were just speaking out of frustration Joe? Maybe you were just saying how you wished it to be but would never actually want that if you could force it to happen? Well guess what Joe, that is exactly what I said and you would not accept that I was just wishful thinking so how is it different for you now that you are talking about not wanting some people to vote?

 

Hypocrite.

[ImWithStupid]

Semantics IWS.

 

You said you believe some people should not vote.

 

I said some people should not vote, the intent is the same, your trying to hide behind an extra word or two instead of looking at the spirit of what we both said. Both of us offer examples of how we feel some people should not vote. You believe some people should not vote if they don't meet your standard of education, I believe some people should not vote if they are only going to vote for whoever will give them the most "free money". Uour reasons are different, but our point is exactly the same.......

 

 

Some people should not vote. I say it, you say it, we agree Joe, lol.

 

So in your mind, there is no difference between someone who says, "I don't think it's necessary for people to have firearms." and someone who says, "I think the government should ban and confiscate firearms."

 

That is not what you said so the comparison is irrelevant.

 

You said some people should not vote, you seem to be trying to hide behind how that is accomplished but how else do you stop people from voting if not through the government Joe?

 

 

Maybe you were just speaking out of frustration Joe? Maybe you were just saying how you wished it to be but would never actually want that if you could force it to happen? Well guess what Joe, that is exactly what I said and you would not accept that I was just wishful thinking so how is it different for you now that you are talking about not wanting some people to vote?

 

Hypocrite.

 

It is the same thing and a very relevant comparison.

 

I have a belief but don't want to limit anyone's rights.

 

You have a belief but want to limit who has the right to do something.

 

Just like one person has the belief that people don't need firearms but doesn't want to take their right to own one away.

 

The other person has the belief that the government should decide who can possess a firearm by limiting the right to do so.

 

I advocated personal "choice".

 

You advocated government "force".

[timesjoke]

Semantics IWS.

 

You said you believe some people should not vote.

 

I said some people should not vote, the intent is the same, your trying to hide behind an extra word or two instead of looking at the spirit of what we both said. Both of us offer examples of how we feel some people should not vote. You believe some people should not vote if they don't meet your standard of education, I believe some people should not vote if they are only going to vote for whoever will give them the most "free money". Uour reasons are different, but our point is exactly the same.......

 

 

Some people should not vote. I say it, you say it, we agree Joe, lol.

 

So in your mind, there is no difference between someone who says, "I don't think it's necessary for people to have firearms." and someone who says, "I think the government should ban and confiscate firearms."

 

That is not what you said so the comparison is irrelevant.

 

You said some people should not vote, you seem to be trying to hide behind how that is accomplished but how else do you stop people from voting if not through the government Joe?

 

 

Maybe you were just speaking out of frustration Joe? Maybe you were just saying how you wished it to be but would never actually want that if you could force it to happen? Well guess what Joe, that is exactly what I said and you would not accept that I was just wishful thinking so how is it different for you now that you are talking about not wanting some people to vote?

 

Hypocrite.

 

It is the same thing and a very relevant comparison.

 

I have a belief but don't want to limit anyone's rights.

 

You have a belief but want to limit who has the right to do something.

 

Just like one person has the belief that people don't need firearms but doesn't want to take their right to own one away.

 

The other person has the belief that the government should decide who can possess a firearm by limiting the right to do so.

 

I advocated personal "choice".

 

You advocated government "force".

 

 

Bot of our comments were what we would like to have seen some people not voting, the reasons for our desire for some people not voting were not the same, but our desire was exactly the same.

 

Anything else you try to say is semantics designed to hide the truth Joe.

 

 

 

I was just wishful thinking just like you were wishful thinking. I know you did not really want to stop anyone from voting, just like I never really wanted that, we both were just voicing frustrations. We are both human and both allowed to delve into a little bit of wishful thinking now and then without being a monster.

[eddo]

 

I advocated personal "choice".

 

You advocated government "force".

 

can't explain it any better than that.

 

 

 

 

apparently TJ is more of a progressive/liberal than we would like to let on...

[timesjoke]

 

I advocated personal "choice".

 

You advocated government "force".

 

can't explain it any better than that.

 

 

 

 

apparently TJ is more of a progressive/liberal than we would like to let on...

 

We said the exact same thing, I gave wishful thinking, IWS gave wishful thinking that some people should not vote. Any other attempt to paint it any other way is just semantics.

 

 

By the way eddo, I said people who don't pay taxes should not vote, how is that liberal or progressive? My reason for it was that people who don't pay taxes don't concern themselves with the cost of operating a goverment or paying for the programs. If my want came true, not one liberal or progressive would ever get into public office again.

 

Poor eddo, failed attempt to flame once again, lol.

 

 

I see your back on that bandwagon crap again eddo, bored?

[ImWithStupid]

By the way eddo, I said people who don't pay taxes should not vote,

 

No. You said people who pay taxes should not be "allowed" to vote. That is the difference and why it isn't just a case of semantics.

[eddo]

I see your back on that bandwagon crap again eddo, bored?

 

no bandwagon.

 

You are wrong.

 

 

period.

[jokersarewild]

I advocated personal "choice".

 

You advocated government "force".

 

can't explain it any better than that.

 

 

 

 

apparently TJ is more of a progressive/liberal than we would like to let on...

 

We said the exact same thing, I gave wishful thinking, IWS gave wishful thinking that some people should not vote. Any other attempt to paint it any other way is just semantics.

 

 

By the way eddo, I said people who don't pay taxes should not vote, how is that liberal or progressive? My reason for it was that people who don't pay taxes don't concern themselves with the cost of operating a goverment or paying for the programs. If my want came true, not one liberal or progressive would ever get into public office again.

 

Poor eddo, failed attempt to flame once again, lol.

 

 

I see your back on that bandwagon crap again eddo, bored?

 

You didn't say the same thing, you lunatic. You said you wanted to limit the ability of certain people to vote. IWS supports everyone being able to vote. He things a certain group shouldn't because it's not in the best interests of America, but he isn't trying to stop them.

 

You keep falling back on "semantics" because you're a dumbass, Times. Semantics has nothing to do with this, you just can't admit you're wrong.

[wez]

I think "we" all know by now that TJ deeply desires the heavy hand of the government, 15 imaginary friends, or whatever else it takes to manipulate his surroundings to advance his agenda. All whilst claiming the opposite.. as he judges, labels, and looks down on everyone else for being what he in fact, is. Truth be damned.. TJ is on the case..

 

What is ok for me to do to another human being is not ok for any other human being to do to me, I'm a hypocrite. ~ TJ

[timesjoke]

By the way eddo, I said people who don't pay taxes should not vote,

 

No. You said people who pay taxes should not be "allowed" to vote. That is the difference and why it isn't just a case of semantics.

 

And all along I thought I said people "who don't" pay taxes should not vote........imagine that.

 

 

 

You see Joe, the more you try to dance around semantics, the more mistakes you make. The point is and way my wishful thinking that some people not vote. You was also entertaining the wishful thinking that some people not vote. It is the exact same thing and every attempt you or anyone else try to paint my wishful thinking as somehow different from your wishful thinking prove they only take issue with what I say because I say it and not because you don't also think the same exact way.

 

 

Niether one of us truly wanted to stop people from voting by force, it was just both of us shooting off our mouths. Yes, the glorious and perfect IWS shared a similar 'wishful thinking' moment with Times, it must be the end of the world to have to admit that for you.

[ImWithStupid]

By the way eddo, I said people who don't pay taxes should not vote,

 

No. You said people who pay taxes should not be "allowed" to vote. That is the difference and why it isn't just a case of semantics.

 

And all along I thought I said people "who don't" pay taxes should not vote........imagine that.

 

 

 

You see Joe, the more you try to dance around semantics, the more mistakes you make. The point is and way my wishful thinking that some people not vote. You was also entertaining the wishful thinking that some people not vote. It is the exact same thing and every attempt you or anyone else try to paint my wishful thinking as somehow different from your wishful thinking prove they only take issue with what I say because I say it and not because you don't also think the same exact way.

 

 

Niether one of us truly wanted to stop people from voting by force, it was just both of us shooting off our mouths. Yes, the glorious and perfect IWS shared a similar 'wishful thinking' moment with Times, it must be the end of the world to have to admit that for you.

 

Your words...

 

I remember you one time saying I was a bad person for saying only people who pay taxes should be allowed to vote. You claimed I was trying to advocate a "ruling class" and limiting who can vote was very bad.

 

I already posted these words for you once in this thread.

[timesjoke]

I already posted these words for you once in this thread.

 

Do you not remember the original discussion?

 

Yes, I messed up in that quote but at the time you jumped me for it, I said people who do not pay taxes should not vote because they are not paying for what those elected officials enact.

 

 

 

You keep trying to confuse the issue Joe.

 

 

Yes, I said some peopel should not vote, you said some people should not vote, the reasons for our wishful thinking are not the same, but the wish some people not vote is exactly the same.

 

Neither one of us thought for a second it would ever happen Joe, so no reason to make either one of us sound like a bad guy, I was just pointing out that you also want some peopel not to vote, but you called me bad names when I said the same thing you said.

[eddo]

I, for one, have no idea about the original discussion, so all I have are the very words typed here in this discussion:

 

Not everyone should vote.

Everyone should have the right to vote, but uninformed, ignorant people should stay home.

 

 

I remember you one time saying I was a bad person for saying only people who pay taxes should be allowed to vote. You claimed I was trying to advocate a "ruling class" and limiting who can vote was very bad.

 

 

 

I really do not understand how this is so difficult for you to see TJ. This is what was said. plain and simple.

[timesjoke]

I really do not understand how this is so difficult for you to see TJ. This is what was said. plain and simple.

 

What about this part that came first eddo:

 

 

Not everyone should vote.

 

 

 

You have the belief "not everyone should vote" then you have the justification or explanation of the belief that comes next. You only showed his explanation, not his belief and that is an intentional misrepresentation of what was said.

 

Joe said “not everyone should vote” there is no other way to take that but the way he said it and my point is I agree with him completely, I just have a different reason than he does, lol.

[eddo]

I give up....

[jokersarewild]

I give up....

 

Can't give sight to a blind man, Eddo.

[ImWithStupid]

I already posted these words for you once in this thread.

 

Do you not remember the original discussion?

 

Yes, I messed up in that quote but at the time you jumped me for it, I said people who do not pay taxes should not vote because they are not paying for what those elected officials enact.

 

 

 

You keep trying to confuse the issue Joe.

 

 

Yes, I said some peopel should not vote, you said some people should not vote, the reasons for our wishful thinking are not the same, but the wish some people not vote is exactly the same.

 

Neither one of us thought for a second it would ever happen Joe, so no reason to make either one of us sound like a bad guy, I was just pointing out that you also want some peopel not to vote, but you called me bad names when I said the same thing you said.

 

Not sure what the confusion is. You seem to be the one who is lying/misleading what your true intentions are.

 

Here is a quote from you from a past topic...

 

Now you're referring to TJ and his claim that only "income" taxpayers and non-government workers should be allowed to vote.

 

TJ has long been for a ruling class/caste system of government.

 

He doesn't care about any other tax you pay to support government.

 

Nice try there Joe, you and hugo worked it out pretty well together but that is not actually what I said.

 

 

I said only those who can prove they pay taxes should be allowed to vote because people who do not pay taxes always vote for socialist agendas and severely left leaning canidates.

 

Your words.

 

Seems to be a trend. You want to limit certain people's rights.

 

I never advocated for this. I only made a suggestion.

 

 

But look! You were trying to cry "victim" back then, when presented with your own desires, too.

 

I don't know if I've ever seen anyone who fits the label of "Victicrat" more than you. I think you even passed the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton.