Head in the sand fuckers.

[builder]

Hugo a gogo is clearly a Muslim.

 

Back to the thread, fellas.

 

Check these videos.

 

And this article kinda sums up the way shrubbite propaganda is working against Americans within the US of A.

 

One American's remembrance of 9/11/01

I was sitting in the same chair, writing, as I am right now, when

five years ago today, a colleague asked me to come to a side room

where the television in Sound Vision's office was located. I quickly

walked in and saw the second plane hitting the World Trade Center

tower. We watched in shock, grief-stricken and crying.

 

Nobody had accused Muslims at that point, but I felt it coming my

way. I immediately started working on different press releases

Muslims could issue to respond effectively to the crisis. As I

rushed to get this done, my mind was racing, thinking about those

still trapped in the burning building, my children and my community.

 

Soon, the demonstrations started in front of Sound Vision. These

were some neighbors who had come to express their anger at Muslims

for the attacks. We had just moved to this new location. It used to

be a Lebanese Christian restaurant that had Arabic writing in front

of it. The police were protecting our block and asked if we at Sound

Vision wanted to be escorted out to our homes. I told my employees

they could leave if they wished, but I chose to stay. I am tired of

running. I cannot be lynched for something which I have not done.

The police honored their word to protect me in my office. I left for

home at about 11 p.m. when the demonstrators shouting slurs at us

had left.

 

For most of us, life has been divided into two: life before 9/11 and

life after. This tragedy has marked us in profound ways, the

repercussions of which we are and will continue to experience for

years to come.

 

It was nothing as compared to the grief of the parents of Salman

Hamdani. This young Pakistani-American medic rushed to rescue people

from the World Trade Center. However for five months he was

considered a terrorist until finally declared a hero by Congress.

Muslims are still considered suspects instead of assets for America.

We remain guilty until proven innocent.

 

Today, we remember and reflect.

 

Peace

Abdul Malik Mujahid

[Jhony5]

Posted by hams:

You only want to make 9/11 seem like an Islamic Terrorist attack so you can justify all the bullshit your imperialistic fucked up government administration is doing overseas.

Would you just look at that for a minute and think how ignorant that sounds.

 

"I want it 9/11 TO SEEM like an Islamic terrorist attack". My god thats horrible. You've got to be kidding me right? Why do Americans have disdain for Muslims in general. What you just said is exactly why. This is the prevalent attitude among Muslins, and its fucked up. So I'm just some trained rat, nibbling at the cheese offered me by the Bush administration? Why can't you grow some balls and at least admit it was Islamic terrorist that were responsible for 9/11? When American GI's kill unarmed civilians, I'll be the first to admit its wrong. Ya, they did it and it sucks. They deserve whatever punishment they get for those acts. They didn't do it BECAUSE they're Americans, they did it because they suck. Same reason Mohamed Atta and his cohorts killed 3,000 people in two hours of madness, because they suck.

 

I can't believe you will follow your twisted faith so fucking blindly that you are prepared to make such egregious accusations with no basis whatsoever. Just double talking hearsay bullshit spewing from your keyboard.

 

I posted a link to pictures that undoubtedly show Boeing 757 aircraft fragments all over in plain sight, and you don't have the balls to even address it.

You didn't even try to dispute it. Why? Because you can't, thats why.

 

Way to fucking declare yourself the winner. Just like the rest of your "kind" you go off and jump to conclusions. Just shows you ignorance and how you mix your emotions over "Everything America does is right".

 

God dam your easy to unravel. I was clowin on ya jerkass.

 

What "conclusions" did I jump to? Why is it irrational for me to think and claim that flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon? How in the fuck does that qualify for the description of "jumping to conclusions". With all the mountains of real tangible evidence (AND DON'T FUCKING ASK WHAT EVIDENCE, I PROVIDED ASS-TONS OF IT), its somehow irrational for me to believe that what was reported to have occurred, actually did. You act like somehow I'm so transfixed on my glorious leaders propaganda, that I can't make a simple judgment on my own accord. I don't believe what I do because George Bush told me to, I believe it because there is not one reason why I shouldn't. Maybe because I'm not blinded by faith.

 

Flat out, Hamza, you say you believe the Pentagon was destroyed by the Bush administration because you want to believe this. It fits your agenda. Never mind that its all fantasy with no basis.

 

Dispute the evidence posted in the link I provided. Just try, item per item, line for line, dispute the gross logic listed there as it summarizes every conspiracy angle imaginable. You can't because you know I would rip you apart for even trying to argue it.

 

If you want to stare at one zoomed in picture of a 13 foot diameter hole and scratch your head asking "where is the plane then, huh", well keep doing so. I explained every claim that you and Builder have introduced, and nothing was was said in retort aside form claims that America is a genocidal empire Bent on world domination and the cleansing of Muslins from existence. What a paranoid little man you are.

 

Debunk the hard facts about 9/11's Pentagon attack I layed out. Dispute the pictures of aircraft parts, including the engine components and tail section. Don't answer with anti-American rhetoric and off-topic postings of American misdoings. ANSWER THE ISSUES related to this debate.

[builder]

Fuck you Jhony5, and the horse you rode in on.

 

You won't confront the glaringly obvious flaws in your reichstadt rulers' propaganda, but you will gleefully parrot their racist epithets to the death.

 

How fucking peurile can it get? Change hands.

[builder]

I appears that this thread is all about alternate reality so there has been no deviation from the topic at hand.

 

Why the fucking black text, Nazz? Anyone who is hardcore GF wouldn't fuck around with black text. Get a dozen tequila slammers into ya.

 

The alternate reality is about questioning the most dubious of the dumbfuck gov claims about the dropping of the towers. Get with the fucking program, home boy/.

[Jhony5]

You won't confront the glaringly obvious flaws in your reichstadt rulers' propaganda

 

Hes not my ruler. Hes just some rich guy that gets paid alot of money. I swear allegiance to no man.

 

This is the critical error that you foreigners make on a constant. Assuming that all Americans love and support the president and every decision he makes.

 

but you will gleefully parrot their racist epithets to the death.

 

So I'm a racist now? This term means nothing anymore. Gets thrown around to much. Its not racism to state the obvious truth. Black people can run fast. Mexicans drink ALOT of beer. Chinese are good at math. Muslims support terror by-proxy if not directly.

 

The alternate reality is about questioning the most dubious of the dumbfuck gov claims about the dropping of the towers.

It has zero, zilcho, to do with what the government "claims" happened to the towers. We all watched it and are capable of deciding for ourselves what happened. The truth is, its far more reasonable based on the evidence, to believe that the towers were attacked by Muslims, and fell due to their actions only. Al-Quida released a lengthly video showing the preparations for 9/11. They did this because of all the insane tinhat conspiracy theorist like yourself that won't shut up about who really did it.

 

Its not about subscribing to the popular believe system handed to us. Its about being reasonable and logical about an event. Just the logistics of such a conspiracy in this age of information, is ludicrous at the very least.

[builder]

Hes not my ruler. Hes just some rich guy that gets paid alot of money. I swear allegiance to no man.

 

He's your prez. Whether you voted for the tard or not, he's making your decisions for you.

 

This is the critical error that you foreigners make on a constant. Assuming that all Americans love and support the president and every decision he makes.

 

He came in at tenth in the list of the most hated people in the world here. Well behind Osama. Try to keep up, won't you?

 

So I'm a racist now?

 

Good for you. Epiphanies happen at anytime in life.

 

This term means nothing anymore. Gets thrown around to much.

 

Like the tinfoil hat jibe, it's the gift that goes on and on.

 

Its not racism to state the obvious truth. Black people can run fast.

 

Steroids are wonderful for that. ICE is another good one.

 

Mexicans drink ALOT of beer.

 

They don't have anything to brag about. Aussies would drink them under the table.

 

Chinese are good at math.

 

They own the US economy.

 

Muslims support terror by-proxy if not directly.

 

The US DOD does too. How ironic.

 

It has zero, zilcho, to do with what the government "claims" happened to the towers. We all watched it and are capable of deciding for ourselves what happened.

 

You can't decide on which puppet looks best on the tv. We all watched it too. And we decided, along with the rest of the developed world, that it was controlled demolition that brought all those buildings down. WTC 7 wasn't even discussed by NIST. Everyone knows it was the CIA that dropped that one to the ground. Cleaned up a lot of dirty laundry that day.

 

The truth is, its far more reasonable based on the evidence, to believe that the towers were attacked by Muslims, and fell due to their actions only.

 

The truth is, those buildings were insured for far more than what they were worth, and they were imploded by sophisticated weaponry. Not a couple of planes. Oh, and Saudis, rather than Iraqis or Afghanis were on the job.

 

Al-Quida released a lengthly video showing the preparations for 9/11. They did this because of all the insane tinhat conspiracy theorist like yourself that won't shut up about who really did it.

 

Osama looks different in every video released. The latest one, released right on the anniversary, is so hollywood, even the rightards like you are wondering who made it.

 

Its not about subscribing to the popular believe system handed to us.

 

Oh, yes it is, Jhony5. You took the bait.

 

Its about being reasonable and logical about an event.

 

No, it's about avoiding a stint in Guantanamo Bay prison. Don't be tuggin' my chain, loser.

 

Just the logistics of such a conspiracy in this age of information, is ludicrous at the very least.

 

The laughable fact is, more than half your people are with me on this one. Try to keep up.

[builder]

Sorry my error, random setting issue ya know

 

Then we agree, never went off topic, just exploring alternate reality.

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You mean you've got your head out of the sand? Wonderful, NazzNegg.

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You mean you've got your head out of the sand? Wonderful, NazzNegg.

Now it's your turn builder.

[builder]

Now it's your turn builder.

 

Fuck me drunk. Is that all you got Snaf~U?

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Fuck me drunk. Is that all you got Snaf~U?

 

I posted resoponses but no one has tried to refute the facts. Just Hamza reverting back to those stupid films that prove aboslutely nothing.

Plus I was testing you to see if you had me on your ignor list or something.

[builder]

That

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Hundreds of CIA operatives have mysteriously dissappeared since that shit happened. Perhaps they didn't wash their hands after using the dunny?

CIA opreatives Missing? Who?

 

I'm not talking just about the government. I'm talking about eye witnesses, police, civilian workers in and out of the pentagon, grounds workers, airport employees, air traffic controllers, family members, etc....

Remeber your talking about 9-11, four different planes leaving different times from different places.

 

 

This would be a massive conspiracy.

[builder]

CIA opreatives Missing? Who?

 

I'm not talking just about the government. I'm talking about eye witnesses, police, civilian workers in and out of the pentagon, grounds workers, airport employees, air traffic controllers, family members, etc....

Remeber your talking about 9-11, four different planes leaving different times from different places.

 

 

This would be a massive conspiracy

 

I think that is why the debate has lasted for five years, Mister.

 

Evidence that should have been aired way back at the start was quickly hidden.

 

The DOD couldn't manage getting a couple of fighter jets into the air to defend the Pentagon, but the CIA managed to round up all the security videos from surrounding establishments within minutes.

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I think that is why the debate has lasted for five years, Mister.

 

Evidence that should have been aired way back at the start was quickly hidden.

 

The DOD couldn't manage getting a couple of fighter jets into the air to defend the Pentagon, but the CIA managed to round up all the security videos from surrounding establishments within minutes.

Well if they couldn't get the fighters up how did they shoot a rocket? Ohh that's right the USS George Bush. gotcha.

still haven

[builder]

Well if they couldn't get the fighters up how did they shoot a rocket? Ohh that's right the USS George Bush. gotcha.

still haven

[snafu]

Oh and builder can you respond to this? http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?t=149373&page=4

[builder]

Oh and builder can you respond to this? http://Off Topic Forum.com/showthread.php?t=149373&page=4

 

 

That's a whole page, snatchfood. Click on the post number, to the left of the icons at the top right of the post. Copy the link, and post that please.

[Jhony5]

I think that is why the debate has lasted for five years, Mister.

This debate has lasted for years because a select few refuse to let it go in the face of undeniable evidence.

The laughable fact is, more than half your people are with me on this one. Try to keep up.

In all the years I've only met a few people who believe this conspiracy angle. They were the Jerry Springer type of slack jawed yokels that can barely read. I have yet to actually meet an intelligent American that believes this tripe.

Oh, yes it is, Jhony5. You took the bait.

Explain what the fuck this means?

those buildings were insured for far more than what they were worth, and they were imploded by sophisticated weaponry. Not a couple of planes

Absolutely preposterous. A reasonable person with no prior predisposition towards American government or the Bush Administration, cannot withdraw any evidence to support this. Not even circumstantial evidence. When the buildings fell, they did not make an audible 'BOOM', as one would expect with a controlled demolition. Watch the video again, Builder. Your missing something there.

We all watched it too. And we decided, along with the rest of the developed world, that it was controlled demolition

"We"??? Who the fuck is we? Now you speak for the entirety of the civilized world? What corner of the dessert are you hiding in bud?

 

The ONLY people who claim to believe this, either have a pre-existing disdain for America, or they are terribley uneducated. Which category do you fall into?

They own the US economy.

The fact is when the US economy slumps, the world economy suffers. There is a reason for this. Can you guess it?

He's your prez. Whether you voted for the tard or not, he's making your decisions for you.

He makes no decisions on my part. I am my own man and I snub the establishment and its crooked laws. G.W. may have a part in deciding the laws of my homeland. But he makes no decisions for me, personally. You refuse to comprehend what I say and you stand by your insistence that my denial of a Government conspiracy is evidence of my loyal allegiance to Bush. I make my own decisions which owe no allegiance to a political party. I've been called a "pinko liberal" and a "right wing conservative" by people on this board. Because they can't put a finger on where I stand politically. I'm neither right or left, liberal or conservative. I'm Ken, and I do what I fucking please.

 

Think outside the box if your going to battle with me, because your assumptions and baseless allegations of political alignment, fail when aimed at me.

[snafu]

Gottcha Jhony. Thanks.

refute this builder or Hamza for that matter.

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=1042669&postcount=40

[Jhony5]

Gottcha Jhony. Thanks.

refute this builder or Hamza for that matter.

http://Off Topic Forum.com/showpost.php?p=1042669&postcount=40

I'd like to see either one of them dispute the evidence from those photos. The conspiracy nuts that run loose on the net, prefer to look at that one photo zoomed in on the 13 foot diameter hole in the side of the Pentagon. To properly debate any subject, one must view the big picture. In that you will see all of the residual evidence one would expect after such a collision between a jetliner and a stout building.

 

The posting I provided a link to earlier in this thread, lays out line for line evidence which debunks everything that Builder and Hamza have claimed. Like true conspiracy theorist, they have unsuccessfully attempted to evade the evidence provided. I guess its safe to say that we aren't letting you go on this one guys. debunk the article I linked to, and the photos, or admit defeat.

[builder]

builder! like I told Hamza read the fucking article.

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You don't just totally destroy a generator of this size.

 

What a lame-arsed fucking photo. Looks like something out of an old MASH rerun. What the fuck is that supposed to prove, you fucking idiot? An arrow pointing to a roof? Where the fuck is that pic supposed to be from?

 

Builder the titanium parts are in the pictures. And the glass is BLAST PROOF! Guess what? They worked!

 

 

Guess what? The pictures don't show anything conclusive as to the location of the mess. Could have been staged in my fucking back yard, Hombre.

[builder]

I'd like to see either one of them dispute the evidence from those photos. The conspiracy nuts that run loose on the net, prefer to look at that one photo zoomed in on the 13 foot diameter hole in the side of the Pentagon. To properly debate any subject, one must view the big picture. In that you will see all of the residual evidence one would expect after such a collision between a jetliner and a stout building.

 

The posting I provided a link to earlier in this thread, lays out line for line evidence which debunks everything that Builder and Hamza have claimed. Like true conspiracy theorist, they have unsuccessfully attempted to evade the evidence provided. I guess its safe to say that we aren't letting you go on this one guys. debunk the article I linked to, and the photos, or admit defeat.

 

Fuck you idiot. Show me three holes where two six ton engines entered the Pentagon each side of the fuselage.

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Guess what? The pictures don't show anything conclusive as to the location of the mess. Could have been staged in my fucking back yard, Hombre.

Oh shit! that's so funny. :D

 

Yeah we never went to the moon either. It was all staged.

I remember when they were saying that too.

[builder]

Oh shit! that's so funny. :D

 

Yeah we never went to the moon either. It was all staged.

I remember when they were saying that too.

 

I'm not so sure you understand the devious nature of your country's agenda makers.

[builder]

Oh shit! that's so funny. :D

 

 

Oh, shit. you asked me to respond to your lame-arsed fucking photo, snatchfood, and I did. That's not even the fucking Pentagon in that pic. Is that a packing yard in Wisconsin?