Illegal Apartheid Fascist Israel:a Mass Murderer/crimes Against Humanity In Lebanon

[Hamza123]

I NEVER watch Fox, I want to have SOME idea of what is really going on in the world, NOT what Bush wants me to know.

 

Than what is it?

 

CNN?

 

For example, on 9/11, FOX News showed footage of Palestinians celebrating.

 

Was that footage really shot after 9/11?

 

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good

[Hamza123]

Continued...

 

Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9/11 attacks even though he had no previous record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit World Trade Center 1

CIA Director George Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." (24)

 

The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable.

 

We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place!

 

But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the

9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:

 

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25)

 

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?

 

[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked. "It's so huge. He couldn't have done it alone." A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (26)

 

Bin Laden is not named as the perpetrator of 9/11 by the FBI:

 

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page (27), [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” (28)

 

 

To date, the only shred of “evidence” to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (29)

 

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.

 

 

One final point - at 09:40 on 9/11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (30). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories." (31)

 

9/11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility

 

 

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (32) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks?

 

Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfil what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land." (33)

 

The implication of Palestinians in the 9/11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.

 

 

 

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"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.

 

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"

Motto of the Mossad

[Hamza123]

Dead American POW: http://agent32852.bravehost.com/dead_pow_thum.jpg

 

LIAR...

 

THAT'S AN IRAQI PRISONER

 

There is the battered face of prisoner No. 153399, and the bloodied body of another prisoner, wrapped in cellophane and packed in ice. There is a photograph of an empty room, splattered with blood.

 

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[hugo]

What a loon.

[Hamza123]

Okay phantom, you want some images, here you go...

 

Massacres & Destruction ALONE

 

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The heros you supply weapons to did this to my countrymen.

 

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[Hamza123]

More?

 

 

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[Hamza123]

This is discluding the Qana massacre.

 

Imagine if this 34 day war caused all this, and this is only a small portion of deaths, just think what the Iraq War has caused.

 

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[Hamza123]

Burned Americans you say Phantom? How do you know it wasn't a pig?

 

You can tell this is a lebanese child here.

 

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[Hamza123]

I have found a website with literaly 1.2 million images on Lebanese casualties over the 34 day war.

 

The Palestinian version had 10x that.

[Phantom]

Thats because those are the ONLY kinds of demonstrations you see on your TV...LOOK ON THE INTERNET DUMBASS!!

 

Call me "dense" but I have a hard time relying on the internet for objective news. Anyone can toss up a website overnight and post whatever they wish. DUMBASS? My, aren't you a pacifist. There is no need to resort to name calling. I don't believe I did. However, I will now:

 

FUCKTARD

 

Okay, if you will only believe the news you see on tv than here you go.

 

Good for them, for the most part. There were, however, some things in the article that stood out to me:

 

"Oh my God, oh my God. Is it possible that Arabs are killing Arabs, Muslims killing Muslims? For what did they do that?"

 

So it's okay as long as their killing Christians and Jews?

 

Also, I'm thoroughly pleased there were 50 protestors. Out of what? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS? I'm not talking about a protest here and there, I'm talking about moral and public outrage.

 

I'm sure there are some decent and innocent inmates serving time in our prison system but the majority speaks. Sorry, I just don't buy into the claim, "Islam is a religion of peace."

 

Where are all the Muslim American protestors? Where are all the French Mulsim protestors? Where are these massive public demonstrations being held? Where are the articles upon articles being published by peaceful Muslims who are outraged by their extremist counterparts?

 

You might have one vocal dissenter here and there but it's not enough. Right now, your majority is speaking and your majority happens to be a bunch of extremist nut jobs.

 

There is the battered face of prisoner No. 153399, and the bloodied body of another prisoner, wrapped in cellophane and packed in ice. There is a photograph of an empty room, splattered with blood.

 

I will be happy to look at the pic again. Like I said, THERE WERE SO FUCKING MANY HORRIBLE PICS OF WHAT MUSLIMS DID that I really didn't give a shit to pore over each one.

[Hamza123]

Okay, when I said dumbass I wasn't lying.

 

About 50 people, including Jordanian children holding tiny flags, placed candles on a makeshift sand memorial in the driveway of the Hyatt.

 

There were thousands of protestors that didn't attend any kind of vigil!! Should've read it right, DUMBASS.

 

Oh and Pakistanis protest against the Taliban all the time.

 

Too bad a lot of their men are fighting against them right now, along with Afghani forces.

[Phantom]

LIAR...

 

THAT'S AN IRAQI PRISONER

 

Ok, to make sure I wasn't providing bad information, I went back to the site where I originally found the image. I can't vouch for the site's reliability but they describe the photograph as being an American POW:

 

http://agent32852.bravehost.com/terrorist2.html

 

Burned Americans you say Phantom? How do you know it wasn't a pig?

 

You're not serious are you? Because if you are, you will never be worth debating with in my eyes again. How do we know the photographs you submitted were actually Muslim victims of US and Jewish attacks? What if they are propaganda photos? I could ask you the exact same thing.

 

I have found a website with literaly 1.2 million images on Lebanese casualties over the 34 day war.

 

The Palestinian version had 10x that.

 

There's a difference between photos of WAR and TERRORIST ACTS. In a war, both sides are engaging in battle. A terrorist attack is self explanatory.

[Hamza123]

Where are all the Muslim American protestors? Where are all the French Mulsim protestors? Where are these massive public demonstrations being held? Where are the articles upon articles being published by peaceful Muslims who are outraged by their extremist counterparts?

 

You might have one vocal dissenter here and there but it's not enough. Right now, your majority is speaking and your majority happens to be a bunch of extremist nut jobs.

 

Actually the majority of Muslims are moderate.

 

Only a few tenths of a percentage are etxreme. And if you don't believe in any 9/11 conspiracy than you know how something so small and ugly can making something so big and beutiful collapse.

 

Muslims Against Terrorism

(M-A-T)

 

http://www.m-a-t.org/

 

 

More Muslims against terrorism

http://www.freemuslims.org/

 

 

 

Muslims against Terrorism

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

 

 

I in no way affiliate myself with any political Muslim group, I just defend the teachings of Prophet Muhammed, and those like Prophets Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Peace and Blessings be Upon them.

 

"It is time that we Muslims acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the US are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim World. If you disagree, then prove it by packing your bags and going to whichever Muslim country you identify with."

Dr. M. A. Muqtedar Khan

 

Hamza Yusuf: Yes, absolutely. It's an obligation for Muslims to root them out. And I think it is a jihad now for the Muslims in the Muslim country to rid themselves of this element.

CBS's 60 Minutes, September 30, 2001

 

Bush himself...

 

"Our nation must be mindful that there are thousands of Arab-Americans who live in New York City, who love their flag just as much as [we] do. And we must be mindful that as we seek to win the war, that we treat Arab-Americans and Muslims with the respect they deserve. I know that is your attitudes as well. Certainly the attitude of this government, that we should not hold one who is a Muslim responsible for an act of terror. We will hold those who are responsible for the terrorist acts accountable and those who harbor them."

President George W. Bush, September 13, 2001

 

 

"Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."

Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh, Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and Chairman of the Senior Ulama, on September 15th, 2001

 

"The terrorists acts, from the perspective of Islamic law, constitute the crime of hirabah (waging war against society)."

September 27, 2001 - Fatwa, signed by:

Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Countil, Qatar

Judge Tariq al-Bishri, First Deputy President of the Council d'etat, Egypt

Dr. Muhammad s. al-Awa, Professor of Islamic Law and Shari'a, Egypt

Dr. Haytham al-Khayyat, Islamic scholar, Syria

Fahmi Houaydi, Islamic scholar, Syria

Shaykh Taha Jabir al-Alwani, Chairman, North America High Council

 

"Neither the law of Islam nor its ethical system justify such a crime."

Zaki Badawi, Principal of the Muslim College in London. Cited in Arab News, September 28, 2001.

 

"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to praise those who kill innocent people."

Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. Cited in the New York Times, September 28, 2001.

 

"What these people stand for is completely against all the principles that Arab Muslims believe in."

King Abdullah II, of Jordan; cited in the Middle East Times, September 28, 2001.

 

The above statements by high ranking international Muslim scholars and leaders appeared in an advertisement placed by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, in the New York Times, October 17th, 2001 (p. A 17)

 

"I'm a Muslim. I've been a Muslim for 20 years. I want the world to know the truth about Islam. I wouldn't be here to represent Islam if it were the way the terrorists make it look...Islam is for peace."

Former World Heavyweight boxing champion, Muhammad Ali, at the telethon benefit concert, September 21, 2001.

 

"Those terrorists must be reading a completely different Quran than the rest of us. This isn't about Islam. It's about terrorism."

US Marine Corps Captain Aisha Bakkar-Poe.

 

"Terrorists claiming to act in the name of Islam is like a knife through my heart - that people would practice Islam, but do deeds like what they've done. It's not true faith. Some people twist religion to the way they think."

US Army Captain Arneshuia Balial, a convert to Islam since 1987.

 

[Hamza123]

More here...

 

Muslims in America ignore Osama Bin Laden's call for holy war.

Bay Area Muslims think more peaceful measures should have been taken by the U.S., but say the suspect has no legitimacy

By Sandy Kleffman and Sonia Krishnan, Contra Costa Times, October 8, 2001

 

The majority of Muslims throughout the world will reject Osama bin Laden's call to join in a holy war against the United States and its allies, Bay Area followers of Islam predicted Sunday.

 

"Osama bin Laden has absolutely no legitimacy whatsoever in the Islamic world, so he's talking to the wind as far as I'm concerned," said Maha Elgenaidi, director of the Islamic Network Group in San Jose.

 

Shahed Amanullah, an Oakland resident and member of American Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism, agreed.

 

"I'm confident that is going to land on deaf ears," he said. "Bin Laden is happy with what happened in New York. That alone is enough to put him outside the Muslim community of the world.

 

"He's just very obviously trying to paint this as a war against Islam -- as if Islam is personified by him," Amanullah added. "He's going to see a very silent reaction from the Muslim world."

 

Only Islamic states can declare a holy war, or jihad, and that is typically based on findings of scholars, noted Hamid Siddiqui, a member of the Islam Center of Livermore.

 

"This war is not against Islam," he said.

 

Yet bin Laden's plea may draw support among some Muslim groups in other countries that are angry about U.S. policy in the Middle East and the attack in Afghanistan on Sunday, noted Farid Younos, a Bay Point resident and president of Afghan Domestic Violence Prevention.

 

"I don't think that the liberal Muslims like myself will mind," Younos said. "But the reaction of the radical Muslims is different. I hope there is not a backlash in the radical circles. That's my concern. Bin Laden's network is very strong."

 

Younos is worried that a backlash could trigger additional terrorist attacks in the United States and other countries.

 

He stressed, however, that such radical groups represent only a small portion of the followers of Islam.

 

"To me, bin Laden's a murderer," Younos said. "How could you murder innocent people? That's not Islamic at all. He's just insane to many, many millions of Muslims."

 

The American action Sunday prompted mixed reactions among many local Muslims, who wanted to bring bin Laden to justice but were concerned about the impact on civilians in Afghanistan.

 

Some said America should have taken additional nonviolent steps before resorting to military action.

 

Younos said American leaders should have persuaded the United Nations to intervene and attempt to get the Taliban to surrender.

 

"They should have taken more peaceful measures before attacking," Younos said. "Afghans are starving -- famine, drought. That country is just falling apart."

 

But he added there is widespread support among Muslims in the United States to get the Taliban out of power.

 

"I guarantee you that 99 percent of Afghan Muslims living in the United States are anxiously waiting that the Taliban is finished," he said.

 

Naim Shahab, a native of Afghanistan and member of the Darulislam Masjid, a mosque in Concord, said he had hoped the United States would choose diplomacy over violence.

 

"I'm very, very sad," he said, noting that he has several relatives in Afghanistan and is worried for their safety.

 

"Personally, I think this attack is not right," he said. "If Osama bin Laden is behind it, then he should definitely, 100 percent, be executed. But at this point, he's a suspect. And to just go kill the Afghans ... This should have been handled through the U.N."

 

Others noted that while bin Laden will receive little support for his call to join a holy war, there is broader concern among numerous Muslims about U.S. policies in the Middle East, which are viewed as favoring Israel.

 

"Even non-radical Muslims -- they do not support the United States policy in the Middle East at all," Younos said. "They feel the United States should wake up and do differently."

 

Muslim organizations throughout the Bay Area were slated to hold a fund-raiser in Newark on Sunday night for the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

 

"The Muslim community is really praying for a quick resolution to this," Shahed Amanullah said. "We want Afghanistan to start rebuilding."

 

Source: Contra Costa Times

 

All found here...

 

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

[Hamza123]

You're not serious are you? Because if you are, you will never be worth debating with in my eyes again. How do we know the photographs you submitted were actually Muslim victims of US and Jewish attacks? What if they are propaganda photos? I could ask you the exact same thing.

 

Easy there bud.

 

All those photos are confirmed by AP or CNN.

[Phantom]

Actually the majority of Muslims are moderate. Only a few tenths of a percentage are etxreme.

 

Still not buying it. Furthermore, if the moderates do out-number the extremists, then it's time for them to grab the bull by the horns. I can't imagine a 10% vs. 90% battle resulting in the 10% winning.

 

And if you don't believe in any 9/11 conspiracy...

 

Damn straight I don't. Anyways, you're starting to bore me now. You aren't answering my questions and seem to be skirting the issue for the most part. It's not my thing to engage in circular debates.

[hugo]

Funny pics.

[Hamza123]

Still not buying it. Furthermore, if the moderates do out-number the extremists, then it's time for them to grab the bull by the horns. I can't imagine a 10% vs. 90% battle resulting in the 10% winning.

 

Okay. So there are many Silent Moderate Muslims. But in no way is that because they support extremism. Some don't care, others don't have time, and some don't feel as extremism is a threat. I think the threat of Islamic Extremism isn't a threat but Violent Islamic Extremism along with un-stable governments is dangerous and threatens the freedom of many people, mostly Muslims.

 

A leading intellectual figure and stalwart fighter in America's confrontation with radical Islam, Daniel Pipes is perhaps best known for his idea that "radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution." As Pipes argues, radical Islam, though currently the dominant political force in the Muslim world, is supported by only 10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide, while moderate Islam represents the great, though so far mostly silent, majority of Muslims. He further points out that radical Islam, also known as militant Islam or Islamism, is a very recent phenomenon, having more in common with modern totalitarian ideologies than with true, historic Islam. While he warns that militant Islam aims to overthrow the West and regain lost Islamic glory, he insists with equal conviction that traditional, moderate Islam is fully capable of living at peace with the rest of the world.

 

Damn straight I don't. Anyways, you're starting to bore me now. You aren't answering my questions and seem to be skirting the issue for the most part. It's not my thing to engage in circular debates.

 

Typical from many people here to make it seem like I am trying to slip through the cracks of your interogation... Bring it on.

 

Ask any questions you want... It's been done but I will be glad to answer them to the best of my ability. I won't regard you to the Qur'an or a Sheikh...

[eisanbt]

Still not buying it. Furthermore, if the moderates do out-number the extremists, then it's time for them to grab the bull by the horns. I can't imagine a 10% vs. 90% battle resulting in the 10% winning.

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You'ld rather rely on a collection of pictures than the actual numbers?

 

Are figures only reliable when they support your side of the argument? I would stop disagreeing with the war on Islam (Note the difference between the war on Islam [A sparcly connected mass of people accross the globe] and the war on Isreal [A state founded on religion/invasion and using religious texts as their proof of superiority and land claim] ).

 

People on both sides are dying, and although tomaust is a bit of a zealot about Islam, you must cut through the BS and the pictures and the heart tearing stories (All are things present in any war) and just look at the simple numbers. If the Isrealies are inflicting more civilian casualities, a tremendous amount from what was presented to us, than perhaps there is something to question there eh? (I don't intend that as a stand alone question but one to exemplify such occasions here people ignore the facts in favor of their own predispositions.)

 

If you wonder why the 90% of of moderate normal people (AKA Muslums) aren't ALL taking up arms against the 10% of nutcases(AKA terrorists), than perhaps you should think about some occasions in history where people havn't been passive about what isn't having immediate and direct effects on them. You will find very few. Like almost everyother human being on the planet, most of the islamic population is just concerned about the day to day worries of their lives. If you yourself are so worried about muslums than why aren't you or MRIH out in the streets playing vigilante and massicreing the innocent folk?

[Phantom]

Okay, I have no idea what you just said. The only reason I posted pics was because the orignal poster had. OBVIOUSLY Both sides as well as the innocent are dying.

 

I'm also not talking about "taking up arms." I'm talking about outspoken outrage.

[tomaust]

what criminal fascist israelis did against christians and muslims in lebanon

 

more pictures here

 

 

 

 

http://waronlebanon.bravehost.com/destruction.html

 

 

http://waronlebanon.bravehost.com/qana.html

 

 

http://tyros.leb.net/qana2/index.html

 

 

http://www.halturnershow.com/LegacyOfArielSharon.html

 

http://membres.lycos.fr/quods/imagegalery2.htm

 

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

[hugo]

People on both sides are dying, and although tomaust is a bit of a zealot about Islam, you must cut through the BS and the pictures and the heart tearing stories (All are things present in any war) and just look at the simple numbers. If the Isrealies are inflicting more civilian casualities, a tremendous amount from what was presented to us, than perhaps there is something to question there eh? (I don't intend that as a stand alone question but one to exemplify such occasions here people ignore the facts in favor of their own predispositions.)

 

 

That could be because the Isrealis do not use their civilians as human shields.

[hugo]

what criminal fascist israelis did against christians and muslims in lebanon

 

more pictures here

 

 

 

 

http://waronlebanon.bravehost.com/destruction.html

 

 

http://waronlebanon.bravehost.com/qana.html

 

 

http://tyros.leb.net/qana2/index.html

 

 

http://www.halturnershow.com/LegacyOfArielSharon.html

 

http://membres.lycos.fr/quods/imagegalery2.htm

 

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

 

Funny pics, Thanks for the laughs.

[eisanbt]

That could be because the Isrealis do not use their civilians as human shields.

 

 

No human shield could stop a high explisive dropped from the sky which takes out a good city block or more when all is said and done. And when the areas bombed are not targeted because theres reports of enemies there, but because mass slaughter is easier than finding the actual enemy than it is those dropping the bombs that must be held responsible.

If a building is taken over by hostage takers in say Houston, than people would go apeshit if the police just blew up the whole fucking thing so they could be sure the badguys within were gone too. Thats assuming that their goal is to get rid of the bad guys in the first place.

[hugo]

No human shield could stop a high explisive dropped from the sky which takes out a good city block or more when all is said and done. And when the areas bombed are not targeted because theres reports of enemies there, but because mass slaughter is easier than finding the actual enemy than it is those dropping the bombs that must be held responsible.

If a building is taken over by hostage takers in say Houston, than people would go apeshit if the police just blew up the whole fucking thing so they could be sure the badguys within were gone too. Thats assuming that their goal is to get rid of the bad guys in the first place.

 

So, do you believe the air raids over Japan and Germany in WWII were wrong?