Guest julgha Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hi, I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can some one help me please. JULGHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kayman Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:19:01 -0800, julgha wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hi, > I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove > spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can some > one help me please.</span> The retail version of Norton can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it using Norton's own uninstall tool http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgen...005033108162039 and get a refund style_emoticons/ As suggested on the site, you may wish to print out the directions before proceeding. Or http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_T...mNRT_d4749.html If the Norton removal tool doesn't work satisfactory use this: Revo Uninstaller Freeware - Remove unwanted programs and traces easily http://www.revouninstaller.com/ and/or RegSeeker http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm RegSeeker will remove all associated detritus (registry keys,files and folders) from any application. I found this application user friendly and very effective but suggest not to use the 'Clean the Registry' option. Click onto 'Find in registry' and in the 'Search for' box type Norton ; The pertinent registry keys can then be safely deleted (just in case, ensure that the 'Backup before deletion' is checked). Repeat the task by typing in the Search for' box Symantec . You can then go on search and remove associated files as well. Then use NTREGOPT to compact the registry; Follow instructions. http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt Avira AntiVir® PersonalEdition Classic - Free http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.) AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition http://free.grisoft.com/ (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.) Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free http://www.eset.com/ Have you seen these "extra settings for NOD32"? http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=37509 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SG Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hi, I completely agree with Kayman about getting rid of ANYTHING Norton. Do yourself and your PC a favor, uninstall that crapware. Now on to your problem with the error message. Is Norton giving your that message about being infected? or is this a pop-up window telling you this? If you get Norton off then I'd suggest either of the two Antivirus programs, but not both. Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition http://free.grisoft.com/ For your Spyware apps I'd suggest the following.... SUPERAntiSpyware http://www.superantispyware.com/superantis...efreevspro.html Your choice of the FREE version or the paid Pro version. Ad-Aware 2007 Free http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php Spybot - Search & Destroy http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html -- All the best, SG ALEX NICHOL (1935-2005) http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm You will never be forgotten my friend "julgha" <julgha@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:C0C6DC91-4146-481E-AC03-710BD5F08006@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Hi, > I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove > spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can > some > one help me please. > JULGHA </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Engel Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hello JULGHA, Download SUPERAntiSpyware Version: 3.9.1008 (Free for Home users) <http://www.superantispyware.com/> - -- --- "julgha" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hi, > I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove > spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can some > one help me please. > JULGHA</span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest frizzie Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hi folks -- newbie here: Norton Internet Security came preinstalled on my HP Pavillian machine running Vista Home Premium 64 bit version. I have it free for another 30 days (had a 60 day free trial). Why do most of you dislike this program? So far it seems to be working find (maybe I just think its working). I hate the thot of having to remove it because I know from past experience with Norton Systemworks on my win98se and winXP machines it was incredibly intertwined with the OS. It worked find tho. What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? Thanx -- frizzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midway Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like listening to a record that is stuck, lol. "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net...<span style="color:blue"> > What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? > > Thanx > > > -- > frizzie </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JDa™© Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 midway, did transcribed the following::<span style="color:blue"> > Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things > that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes > for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up > my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of > infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS > and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. > > So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like > listening to a record that is stuck, lol. > > "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message > news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net...<span style="color:green"> >> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >> >> Thanx >> >> >> -- >> frizzie </span> ></span> I second this! I've used Norton products ever since the start of Utilities in the DOS world, and have never had any problems. Yes, some of there products have needed more RAM to get things to work better, but thats true with a lot of products. As far as the Virus and other security products are concerned, you have to look at the update policy's and the cost. Norton's Internet Security is updated/ungraded in a timely manner, and my yearly cost is only $40 bucks. A friend who has the corresponding Mac-a-fees product. gets good service and updates/upgrades, pays $50 a year, but has also had one virus that got past all his protection. Maybe it was just timing, and it got to him before they could get the updates out to him, I don't know. What does all this say!: "You pays your money, You take your chances!" I'd rather have the protection that be without. And in your case, keep NIS. Like you said, trying to uninstall is a headache to be avoided, plus it works. -- Sincerely, | (©) (©) JDa™© | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------ ||| | /// \\\ d(style_emoticons/)b | 0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between | | 'That doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.' " | | Children of God, by Mary Doria Russell | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest julgha Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 "julgha" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hi, > I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove > spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can some > one help me please. > JULGHA</span> I did all you said in forum to help me to remove spywares from my Pc.I have: Norton internet security, Panda,Spypot & destroy, SuperAnti Spyware BUT MICROSOFT SECURITY CENTER STILL SENDING ME A MESSAGE THAT I HAV MY PC INFECTED WHAT CAN I DO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick Murphy Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It is NOT widows security sending you that message!!!! It is spyware. Reboot your computer, tap F8 right at startup, and go into Safe Mode. Rescan your computer with Spybot Search & destroy, and your Anti-virus while there. -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "julgha" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > > "julgha" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > Hi, > > I have new norton enternet security but i see that is not able to remove > > spywares from my Pc. i still getting message that my Pc is infected. Can some > > one help me please. > > JULGHA</span> > I did all you said in forum to help me to remove spywares from my Pc.I > have: Norton internet security, Panda,Spypot & destroy, SuperAnti Spyware > BUT MICROSOFT SECURITY CENTER STILL SENDING ME A MESSAGE THAT I HAV MY PC > INFECTED WHAT CAN I DO?</span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest don_b_1 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 "frizzie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program?</span> I've been using NAV on my computers since the early 90's and have never had a virus or worm while using it. I still use NAV 2004 on this one and I have Norton Internet Security 2008 on the laptop. So far I see nothing wrong with NIS 2008 other than if it crashes and has to be reloaded, you don't get an automatic 1 year extension on your subscription like you do with NAV. Norton does crash a lot but as a consequence, I've been using NAV 2004 since 2004 and have only paid for two subscription renewals. Now I'm updated til 2/27/2009 thanks to a recent hardware change and reinstall. Best thing about Norton is does the job you pay it to do and it does it very well. No question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SG Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. When Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You are among the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the lucky ones. It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but it is a Resource Hog hands down and they have done nothing to improve it. Furthermore, it's gotten worse with their added Suite. Their uninstall does not even clean up their own mess and they have now an extra file one must run to get rid of it which BTW still leaves some remnants. If it works for you great, but as with anything the majority rules and if you search these groups and the Net you will see it is not worth a grain of salt to put their Junkware on any system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton Internet Security" and you will see many reasons. Also try "why people like Norton Internet Security". The only thing I still use and still works in all versions of windows from 3.0 to Vista is NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been sent to me over the years when I order hardware and software for my customers. http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 -- All the best, SG ALEX NICHOL (1935-2005) http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm You will never be forgotten my friend "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things that > were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes for the > platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up my own > mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of infection with > the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS and PrevxCSI at > times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. > > So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like > listening to a record that is stuck, lol. > > "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message > news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net...<span style="color:green"> >> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >> >> Thanx >> >> >> -- >> frizzie</span> > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest news.microsoft.com Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the '07-up versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around 7.5MB on my machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These polls you speak of are from mainly people who experienced Norton during it's '03-'06 "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest versions. Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. Since you posted a review I will post this one: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they even tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. It is like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus not able to bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or something. And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter Norton >owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. When Symantec >bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You are among the few that >hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the lucky ones. It's not so much >the software doesn't do it's job, but it is a Resource Hog hands down and >they have done nothing to improve it. Furthermore, it's gotten worse with >their added Suite. Their uninstall does not even clean up their own mess >and they have now an extra file one must run to get rid of it which BTW >still leaves some remnants. If it works for you great, but as with anything >the majority rules and if you search these groups and the Net you will see >it is not worth a grain of salt to put their Junkware on any system. Do a >Google for "why people hate Norton Internet Security" and you will see many >reasons. Also try "why people like Norton Internet Security". The only >thing I still use and still works in all versions of windows from 3.0 to >Vista is NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact >I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been sent to me over the years >when I order hardware and software for my customers. > > http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html > > You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" > > http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw > > http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 > > -- > All the best, > SG > > ALEX NICHOL > (1935-2005) > http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm > You will never be forgotten my friend > > "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message > news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things that >> were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes for the >> platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up my own >> mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of infection >> with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS and PrevxCSI >> at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. >> >> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >> >> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>> >>> Thanx >>> >>> >>> -- >>> frizzie</span> >></span> > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SG Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec products I dislike. From your site you provided......<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>>Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for security >>>suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, and it cleans >>>up more thoroughly than most.<<<</span></span></span> Than most? who are they talking about? Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my shop everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have Symantec products on their systems it will be the first thing to come off or they can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't matter to me at all is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up against any of them any day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating their Antivirus into a suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find something else. The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this thread as these discussions seem to go on forever. -- All the best, SG ALEX NICHOL (1935-2005) http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm You will never be forgotten my friend "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the '07-up > versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around 7.5MB on my > machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These polls you speak > of are from mainly people who experienced Norton during it's '03-'06 > "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest versions. > > Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite > frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now > working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: > > http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge > > So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, OneCare, > Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have similar > removal tools. I don't see an issue here. > > Since you posted a review I will post this one: > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp > > What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they even > tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. It is like > they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus not able to bash > it anymore. It must make their lives complete or something. > > And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. > > > > > > > > "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message > news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >>I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. When >>Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You are among >>the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the lucky ones. >>It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but it is a Resource >>Hog hands down and they have done nothing to improve it. Furthermore, it's >>gotten worse with their added Suite. Their uninstall does not even clean >>up their own mess and they have now an extra file one must run to get rid >>of it which BTW still leaves some remnants. If it works for you great, but >>as with anything the majority rules and if you search these groups and the >>Net you will see it is not worth a grain of salt to put their Junkware on >>any system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton Internet Security" and >>you will see many reasons. Also try "why people like Norton Internet >>Security". The only thing I still use and still works in all versions of >>windows from 3.0 to Vista is NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay >>me to take it. If fact I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been >>sent to me over the years when I order hardware and software for my >>customers. >> >> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >> >> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >> >> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >> >> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >> >> -- >> All the best, >> SG >> >> ALEX NICHOL >> (1935-2005) >> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >> You will never be forgotten my friend >> >> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things that >>> were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes for the >>> platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up my own >>> mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of infection >>> with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS and PrevxCSI >>> at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. >>> >>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>> >>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>> >>>> Thanx >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> frizzie >>></span> >></span> > > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midway Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Take a look at AV Comparatives.org or AV-Test.org to discover the "most". Also Norton has not failed a VB100 certification since 1999. The only other AV solution to do so is Eset I believe. And speaking of Eset, NAV/NIS uses less RAM than NOD32. I guess this would be bloat on a Pentium I 32 MB RAM, lol. Though you may not describe yourself as a basher your tone certainly reflects one. As I said, I used to be one after a terrible experience with NIS '04 years ago. But I read so many good reviews about NIS '07 on a security forum I decided to put my prejudice aside and try it out. But getting back OT, I am curious to know what the OP picked up and how. Symantec Threat Explorer has a big list of these rogue security apps listed on it's page with definition updates to counter them. "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message news:ObAoV6ifIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec products > I dislike. > > From your site you provided......<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>>>Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for security >>>>suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, and it cleans >>>>up more thoroughly than most.<<<</span></span> > > Than most? who are they talking about? > > Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my shop > everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have Symantec > products on their systems it will be the first thing to come off or they > can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't matter to me at all > is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up against any of them any > day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating their Antivirus into a > suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find something else. > > The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this thread > as these discussions seem to go on forever. > > -- > All the best, > SG > > ALEX NICHOL > (1935-2005) > http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm > You will never be forgotten my friend > > "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message > news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the '07-up >> versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around 7.5MB on my >> machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These polls you speak >> of are from mainly people who experienced Norton during it's '03-'06 >> "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest versions. >> >> Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite >> frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now >> working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: >> >> http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge >> >> So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, >> OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have >> similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. >> >> Since you posted a review I will post this one: >> >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp >> >> What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they even >> tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. It is >> like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus not able to >> bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or something. >> >> And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >> news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>>I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>>Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. When >>>Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You are among >>>the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the lucky ones. >>>It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but it is a Resource >>>Hog hands down and they have done nothing to improve it. Furthermore, >>>it's gotten worse with their added Suite. Their uninstall does not even >>>clean up their own mess and they have now an extra file one must run to >>>get rid of it which BTW still leaves some remnants. If it works for you >>>great, but as with anything the majority rules and if you search these >>>groups and the Net you will see it is not worth a grain of salt to put >>>their Junkware on any system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton >>>Internet Security" and you will see many reasons. Also try "why people >>>like Norton Internet Security". The only thing I still use and still >>>works in all versions of windows from 3.0 to Vista is NortonSS, other >>>than that they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact I've thrown away many >>>FREE copies that have been sent to me over the years when I order >>>hardware and software for my customers. >>> >>> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >>> >>> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >>> >>> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >>> >>> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >>> >>> -- >>> All the best, >>> SG >>> >>> ALEX NICHOL >>> (1935-2005) >>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>> >>> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com... >>>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things >>>> that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes >>>> for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up >>>> my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of >>>> infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS >>>> and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. >>>> >>>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>>> >>>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>>> >>>>> Thanx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> frizzie >>>> >>></span> >> >></span> > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave T. Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 midway wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Take a look at AV Comparatives.org or AV-Test.org to discover the > "most". Also Norton has not failed a VB100 certification since 1999. > The only other AV solution to do so is Eset I believe. And speaking of > Eset, NAV/NIS uses less RAM than NOD32. I guess this would be bloat on > a Pentium I 32 MB RAM, lol. > > Though you may not describe yourself as a basher your tone certainly > reflects one. As I said, I used to be one after a terrible experience > with NIS '04 years ago. But I read so many good reviews about NIS '07 > on a security forum I decided to put my prejudice aside and try it out. > > But getting back OT, I am curious to know what the OP picked up and how. > Symantec Threat Explorer has a big list of these rogue security apps > listed on it's page with definition updates to counter them. > > "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message > news:ObAoV6ifIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec >> products I dislike. >> >> From your site you provided......<span style="color:darkred"> >>>>> Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for >>>>> security suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, >>>>> and it cleans up more thoroughly than most.<<<</span> >> >> Than most? who are they talking about? >> >> Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my >> shop everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have >> Symantec products on their systems it will be the first thing to come >> off or they can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't >> matter to me at all is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up >> against any of them any day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating >> their Antivirus into a suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find >> something else. >> >> The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this >> thread as these discussions seem to go on forever. >> >> -- >> All the best, >> SG >> >> ALEX NICHOL >> (1935-2005) >> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >> You will never be forgotten my friend >> >> "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >> news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the >>> '07-up versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around >>> 7.5MB on my machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These >>> polls you speak of are from mainly people who experienced Norton >>> during it's '03-'06 "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest >>> versions. >>> >>> Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite >>> frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now >>> working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: >>> >>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge >>> >>> >>> So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, >>> OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have >>> similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. >>> >>> Since you posted a review I will post this one: >>> >>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp >>> >>> What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they >>> even tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. >>> It is like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus >>> not able to bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or >>> something. >>> >>> And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>> news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>>> Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. >>>> When Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You >>>> are among the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the >>>> lucky ones. It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but >>>> it is a Resource Hog hands down and they have done nothing to >>>> improve it. Furthermore, it's gotten worse with their added Suite. >>>> Their uninstall does not even clean up their own mess and they have >>>> now an extra file one must run to get rid of it which BTW still >>>> leaves some remnants. If it works for you great, but as with >>>> anything the majority rules and if you search these groups and the >>>> Net you will see it is not worth a grain of salt to put their >>>> Junkware on any system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton >>>> Internet Security" and you will see many reasons. Also try "why >>>> people like Norton Internet Security". The only thing I still use >>>> and still works in all versions of windows from 3.0 to Vista is >>>> NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact >>>> I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been sent to me over the >>>> years when I order hardware and software for my customers. >>>> >>>> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >>>> >>>> >>>> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >>>> >>>> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All the best, >>>> SG >>>> >>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>> (1935-2005) >>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>> >>>> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com... >>>>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things >>>>> that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same >>>>> goes for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to >>>>> make up my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had >>>>> ANY kind of infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a >>>>> year). I do run SAS and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing >>>>> more than a few cookies. >>>>> >>>>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>>>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>>>> >>>>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> frizzie >>>>> >>>> >>> >>></span> >></span> > </span> I'm not sure I can understand your argument. If I have had bad experience, and bad service for many years, I should give them just one more chance or else I risk being labeled a basher by someone like you! The only fact that means a damn thing is that people (read I) have had a lot of problems with NIS and have decided to go to something that does not have these problems and still gets the job done. Period. I used Norton from 1993 till 2007 and experienced MANY problems. The final straw for me was when I discovered that my system restore wouldn't work unless I made configuration changes in NIS's internal security settings, and then of course you have to remember to change the settings back when you were done restoring. Someone else in this thread said "If it works for you". Fine. It doesn't work for me, and obviously a lot of others. The fact that anyone who has a divergent viewpoint is automatically awarded a schoolyard label by you leads me to be suspect about whether or not your opinion is worth considering. -- Dave T. "Many people die at twenty-five and aren't buried until they are seventy-five". Benjamin Franklin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midway Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I am not slapping a label on anyone. My definition of a basher may be different than yours. In essence it is someone who berates a product only going by what is read and not experienced for themselves which I have noticed all around the web (Vista has pretty much shared the same fate). I have not seen anything in this thread relating to the modern versions of NAV/NIS but only the older versions. I have admitted that the '03-'06 versions were pretty much crap but I cannot say the same thing after what I have experienced in the last year. Some people, such as yourself, may have problems running Symantec products (as with any software) but at home and at work has been trouble free here. To simplify it even further an old saying comes to mind "Don't knock it until you try it". "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message news:F5nzj.7742$Mh2.655@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:blue"> > midway wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Take a look at AV Comparatives.org or AV-Test.org to discover the "most". >> Also Norton has not failed a VB100 certification since 1999. The only >> other AV solution to do so is Eset I believe. And speaking of Eset, >> NAV/NIS uses less RAM than NOD32. I guess this would be bloat on a >> Pentium I 32 MB RAM, lol. >> >> Though you may not describe yourself as a basher your tone certainly >> reflects one. As I said, I used to be one after a terrible experience >> with NIS '04 years ago. But I read so many good reviews about NIS '07 on >> a security forum I decided to put my prejudice aside and try it out. >> >> But getting back OT, I am curious to know what the OP picked up and how. >> Symantec Threat Explorer has a big list of these rogue security apps >> listed on it's page with definition updates to counter them. >> >> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >> news:ObAoV6ifIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec >>> products I dislike. >>> >>> From your site you provided...... >>>>>> Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for >>>>>> security suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, >>>>>> and it cleans up more thoroughly than most.<<< >>> >>> Than most? who are they talking about? >>> >>> Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my >>> shop everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have >>> Symantec products on their systems it will be the first thing to come >>> off or they can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't matter >>> to me at all is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up against any >>> of them any day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating their >>> Antivirus into a suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find something >>> else. >>> >>> The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this >>> thread as these discussions seem to go on forever. >>> >>> -- >>> All the best, >>> SG >>> >>> ALEX NICHOL >>> (1935-2005) >>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>> >>> "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>> news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the '07-up >>>> versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around 7.5MB on >>>> my machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These polls you >>>> speak of are from mainly people who experienced Norton during it's >>>> '03-'06 "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest versions. >>>> >>>> Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite >>>> frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now >>>> working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: >>>> >>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge >>>> >>>> So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, >>>> OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have >>>> similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. >>>> >>>> Since you posted a review I will post this one: >>>> >>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp >>>> >>>> What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they >>>> even tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. It >>>> is like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus not >>>> able to bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or >>>> something. >>>> >>>> And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>>>> Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. >>>>> When Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You are >>>>> among the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the lucky >>>>> ones. It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but it is a >>>>> Resource Hog hands down and they have done nothing to improve it. >>>>> Furthermore, it's gotten worse with their added Suite. Their uninstall >>>>> does not even clean up their own mess and they have now an extra file >>>>> one must run to get rid of it which BTW still leaves some remnants. If >>>>> it works for you great, but as with anything the majority rules and if >>>>> you search these groups and the Net you will see it is not worth a >>>>> grain of salt to put their Junkware on any system. Do a Google for >>>>> "why people hate Norton Internet Security" and you will see many >>>>> reasons. Also try "why people like Norton Internet Security". The only >>>>> thing I still use and still works in all versions of windows from 3.0 >>>>> to Vista is NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay me to take it. >>>>> If fact I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been sent to me >>>>> over the years when I order hardware and software for my customers. >>>>> >>>>> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >>>>> >>>>> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >>>>> >>>>> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All the best, >>>>> SG >>>>> >>>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>>> (1935-2005) >>>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>>> >>>>> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com... >>>>>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things >>>>>> that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same goes >>>>>> for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to make up >>>>>> my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY kind of >>>>>> infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I do run SAS >>>>>> and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than a few cookies. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>>>>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>>>>> >>>>>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> frizzie >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>></span> >></span> > I'm not sure I can understand your argument. If I have had bad experience, > and bad service for many years, I should give them just one more chance or > else I risk being labeled a basher by someone like you! The only fact that > means a damn thing is that people (read I) have had a lot of problems with > NIS and have decided to go to something that does not have these problems > and still gets the job done. Period. I used Norton from 1993 till 2007 and > experienced MANY problems. The final straw for me was when I discovered > that my system restore wouldn't work unless I made configuration changes > in NIS's internal security settings, and then of course you have to > remember to change the settings back when you were done restoring. > Someone else in this thread said "If it works for you". Fine. It doesn't > work for me, and obviously a lot of others. The fact that anyone who has a > divergent viewpoint is automatically awarded a schoolyard label by you > leads me to be suspect about whether or not your opinion is worth > considering. > > -- > Dave T. > > "Many people die at twenty-five and aren't buried > until they are seventy-five". > Benjamin Franklin </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SG Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Let me refresh.... http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html Have a good day/night wherever you are. BTW you can call me anything you like, doesn't bother me at all. Some day I'll be dead and you will too and all this talk want amount to a hill of beans. Just makes for good conversation though eh? -- All the best, SG ALEX NICHOL (1935-2005) http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm You will never be forgotten my friend "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message news:D01FF7F3-B05A-47AD-B5AD-D9A82406A3B7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I am not slapping a label on anyone. My definition of a basher may be >different than yours. In essence it is someone who berates a product only >going by what is read and not experienced for themselves which I have >noticed all around the web (Vista has pretty much shared the same fate). I >have not seen anything in this thread relating to the modern versions of >NAV/NIS but only the older versions. I have admitted that the '03-'06 >versions were pretty much crap but I cannot say the same thing after what I >have experienced in the last year. Some people, such as yourself, may have >problems running Symantec products (as with any software) but at home and >at work has been trouble free here. > > To simplify it even further an old saying comes to mind "Don't knock it > until you try it". > > "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message > news:F5nzj.7742$Mh2.655@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:green"> >> midway wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Take a look at AV Comparatives.org or AV-Test.org to discover the >>> "most". Also Norton has not failed a VB100 certification since 1999. >>> The only other AV solution to do so is Eset I believe. And speaking of >>> Eset, NAV/NIS uses less RAM than NOD32. I guess this would be bloat on >>> a Pentium I 32 MB RAM, lol. >>> >>> Though you may not describe yourself as a basher your tone certainly >>> reflects one. As I said, I used to be one after a terrible experience >>> with NIS '04 years ago. But I read so many good reviews about NIS '07 >>> on a security forum I decided to put my prejudice aside and try it out. >>> >>> But getting back OT, I am curious to know what the OP picked up and how. >>> Symantec Threat Explorer has a big list of these rogue security apps >>> listed on it's page with definition updates to counter them. >>> >>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ObAoV6ifIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec >>>> products I dislike. >>>> >>>> From your site you provided...... >>>>>>> Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for >>>>>>> security suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, >>>>>>> and it cleans up more thoroughly than most.<<< >>>> >>>> Than most? who are they talking about? >>>> >>>> Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my >>>> shop everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have >>>> Symantec products on their systems it will be the first thing to come >>>> off or they can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't >>>> matter to me at all is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up >>>> against any of them any day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating >>>> their Antivirus into a suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find >>>> something else. >>>> >>>> The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this >>>> thread as these discussions seem to go on forever. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> All the best, >>>> SG >>>> >>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>> (1935-2005) >>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>> >>>> "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>> news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the >>>>> '07-up versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around >>>>> 7.5MB on my machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These >>>>> polls you speak of are from mainly people who experienced Norton >>>>> during it's '03-'06 "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest >>>>> versions. >>>>> >>>>> Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite >>>>> frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now >>>>> working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge >>>>> >>>>> So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, >>>>> OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have >>>>> similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. >>>>> >>>>> Since you posted a review I will post this one: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp >>>>> >>>>> What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they >>>>> even tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. >>>>> It is like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus >>>>> not able to bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or >>>>> something. >>>>> >>>>> And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>>>>> Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. >>>>>> When Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You >>>>>> are among the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the >>>>>> lucky ones. It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but it >>>>>> is a Resource Hog hands down and they have done nothing to improve >>>>>> it. Furthermore, it's gotten worse with their added Suite. Their >>>>>> uninstall does not even clean up their own mess and they have now an >>>>>> extra file one must run to get rid of it which BTW still leaves some >>>>>> remnants. If it works for you great, but as with anything the >>>>>> majority rules and if you search these groups and the Net you will >>>>>> see it is not worth a grain of salt to put their Junkware on any >>>>>> system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton Internet Security" >>>>>> and you will see many reasons. Also try "why people like Norton >>>>>> Internet Security". The only thing I still use and still works in all >>>>>> versions of windows from 3.0 to Vista is NortonSS, other than that >>>>>> they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact I've thrown away many FREE >>>>>> copies that have been sent to me over the years when I order hardware >>>>>> and software for my customers. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >>>>>> >>>>>> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> All the best, >>>>>> SG >>>>>> >>>>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>>>> (1935-2005) >>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>>>> >>>>>> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com... >>>>>>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things >>>>>>> that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same >>>>>>> goes for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to >>>>>>> make up my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had ANY >>>>>>> kind of infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). I >>>>>>> do run SAS and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than a >>>>>>> few cookies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>>>>>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> frizzie >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>></span> >> I'm not sure I can understand your argument. If I have had bad >> experience, and bad service for many years, I should give them just one >> more chance or else I risk being labeled a basher by someone like you! >> The only fact that means a damn thing is that people (read I) have had a >> lot of problems with NIS and have decided to go to something that does >> not have these problems and still gets the job done. Period. I used >> Norton from 1993 till 2007 and experienced MANY problems. The final straw >> for me was when I discovered that my system restore wouldn't work unless >> I made configuration changes in NIS's internal security settings, and >> then of course you have to remember to change the settings back when you >> were done restoring. >> Someone else in this thread said "If it works for you". Fine. It doesn't >> work for me, and obviously a lot of others. The fact that anyone who has >> a divergent viewpoint is automatically awarded a schoolyard label by you >> leads me to be suspect about whether or not your opinion is worth >> considering. >> >> -- >> Dave T. >> >> "Many people die at twenty-five and aren't buried >> until they are seventy-five". >> Benjamin Franklin</span> > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Doug Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks for the update on Norton. I am glad to hear that they are mending their ways. I shall no longer automatically advise people to remove it from new computers. However after all the grief I have suffered with them I am not yet thinking of moving back to them from ESET Smart Security. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest midway Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I take anything from ZDNet with a grain of salt. In their first review of NIS '08 they talked about the new look of NIS which the reviewer didn't care for. Then he goes on to say though ZDNet has not performed any tests on NIS it will "probably" be a resource hog. What kind of review is this? Just ramblings from another Norton hater. Also AV-Comparatives have just released their latest tests. Norton scored 97.7% if you are interested. What a view of life you have. According to your logic anything we do in our daily lives "don't amount to a hill of beans". I guess we all just need to put a bullet in our heads and get it over with. No thanks... "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message news:e4acmLofIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Let me refresh.... > http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html > > Have a good day/night wherever you are. BTW you can call me anything you > like, doesn't bother me at all. Some day I'll be dead and you will too and > all this talk want amount to a hill of beans. Just makes for good > conversation though eh? > > -- > All the best, > SG > > ALEX NICHOL > (1935-2005) > http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm > You will never be forgotten my friend > > "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message > news:D01FF7F3-B05A-47AD-B5AD-D9A82406A3B7@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >>I am not slapping a label on anyone. My definition of a basher may be >>different than yours. In essence it is someone who berates a product only >>going by what is read and not experienced for themselves which I have >>noticed all around the web (Vista has pretty much shared the same fate). >>I have not seen anything in this thread relating to the modern versions of >>NAV/NIS but only the older versions. I have admitted that the '03-'06 >>versions were pretty much crap but I cannot say the same thing after what >>I have experienced in the last year. Some people, such as yourself, may >>have problems running Symantec products (as with any software) but at home >>and at work has been trouble free here. >> >> To simplify it even further an old saying comes to mind "Don't knock it >> until you try it". >> >> "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >> news:F5nzj.7742$Mh2.655@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> midway wrote: >>>> Take a look at AV Comparatives.org or AV-Test.org to discover the >>>> "most". Also Norton has not failed a VB100 certification since 1999. >>>> The only other AV solution to do so is Eset I believe. And speaking of >>>> Eset, NAV/NIS uses less RAM than NOD32. I guess this would be bloat on >>>> a Pentium I 32 MB RAM, lol. >>>> >>>> Though you may not describe yourself as a basher your tone certainly >>>> reflects one. As I said, I used to be one after a terrible experience >>>> with NIS '04 years ago. But I read so many good reviews about NIS '07 >>>> on a security forum I decided to put my prejudice aside and try it out. >>>> >>>> But getting back OT, I am curious to know what the OP picked up and >>>> how. Symantec Threat Explorer has a big list of these rogue security >>>> apps listed on it's page with definition updates to counter them. >>>> >>>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ObAoV6ifIHA.5996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> Again I'm not nor ever have been a "Norton" basher, it's Symantec >>>>> products I dislike. >>>>> >>>>> From your site you provided...... >>>>>>>> Norton Internet Security 2008 remains our Editors' Choice for >>>>>>>> security suites. Its virus/spyware scan scored very well on tests, >>>>>>>> and it cleans up more thoroughly than most.<<< >>>>> >>>>> Than most? who are they talking about? >>>>> >>>>> Now I'll let you in on a little secret, I work on many machines in my >>>>> shop everyday and the first thing I tell my customers is if they have >>>>> Symantec products on their systems it will be the first thing to come >>>>> off or they can take them elsewhere. So far and it really doesn't >>>>> matter to me at all is no one has refused. I'll put Avast or AVG up >>>>> against any of them any day. Also the day AVG or Avast starts bloating >>>>> their Antivirus into a suite like MacAfee or Symantec I'll find >>>>> something else. >>>>> >>>>> The last word is yours as I'm moving on. Don't want to extend this >>>>> thread as these discussions seem to go on forever. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> All the best, >>>>> SG >>>>> >>>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>>> (1935-2005) >>>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>>> >>>>> "news.microsoft.com" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23QLXPnifIHA.4144@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Granted that the '03-'06 versions were less than stellar but the >>>>>> '07-up versions have been completely revamped. RAM usage is around >>>>>> 7.5MB on my machine which can hardly be called a resource hog. These >>>>>> polls you speak of are from mainly people who experienced Norton >>>>>> during it's '03-'06 "bloat" era and hasn't even tried the latest >>>>>> versions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Though it took them a while (too long in my opinion) Symantec quite >>>>>> frankly acknowleged the "bloatness" of its past products and is now >>>>>> working on improving its performance as stated in their blog entry: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/blog/detail...id=tom_powledge >>>>>> >>>>>> So Symantec has SymNRT (Norton Removal Tool). So does Kaspersky, >>>>>> OneCare, Trend Micro, McAfee and maybe others I don't know about have >>>>>> similar removal tools. I don't see an issue here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you posted a review I will post this one: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2180639,00.asp >>>>>> >>>>>> What gets me when I communicate with the bashers, I ask them if they >>>>>> even tried the latest versions and usually I get silence in return. >>>>>> It is like they are afraid to try it and maybe start liking it thus >>>>>> not able to bash it anymore. It must make their lives complete or >>>>>> something. >>>>>> >>>>>> And to let you in on a secret I too was once a Norton basher. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "SG" <sorry@nomail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:OuvauMffIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> I am not a Norton basher, I am against Symantec products. When Peter >>>>>>> Norton owned the products many years ago it did what was advertized. >>>>>>> When Symantec bought him out it has went down hill ever sense. You >>>>>>> are among the few that hasn't had any trouble and you are one of the >>>>>>> lucky ones. It's not so much the software doesn't do it's job, but >>>>>>> it is a Resource Hog hands down and they have done nothing to >>>>>>> improve it. Furthermore, it's gotten worse with their added Suite. >>>>>>> Their uninstall does not even clean up their own mess and they have >>>>>>> now an extra file one must run to get rid of it which BTW still >>>>>>> leaves some remnants. If it works for you great, but as with >>>>>>> anything the majority rules and if you search these groups and the >>>>>>> Net you will see it is not worth a grain of salt to put their >>>>>>> Junkware on any system. Do a Google for "why people hate Norton >>>>>>> Internet Security" and you will see many reasons. Also try "why >>>>>>> people like Norton Internet Security". The only thing I still use >>>>>>> and still works in all versions of windows from 3.0 to Vista is >>>>>>> NortonSS, other than that they couldn't pay me to take it. If fact >>>>>>> I've thrown away many FREE copies that have been sent to me over the >>>>>>> years when I order hardware and software for my customers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://review.zdnet.com/internet-security-...6-32588378.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You may also try Google and type "antivirus polls" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.6starreview.com/Antivirus-Softw...CFQEfFQodRxEevw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.gripe2ed.com/scoop/story/2005/8/1/0559/03379 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> All the best, >>>>>>> SG >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ALEX NICHOL >>>>>>> (1935-2005) >>>>>>> http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm >>>>>>> You will never be forgotten my friend >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "midway" <midway@home.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:E0B95724-110E-43E6-B983-90A1914CDB73@microsoft.com... >>>>>>>> Nothing but old fashioned prejudice. If I believed half the things >>>>>>>> that were said about Vista I wouldn't never had gotten it. Same >>>>>>>> goes for the platitudes from the Norton bashers. But I am able to >>>>>>>> make up my own mind on both and couldn't be happier (never had >>>>>>>> ANY kind of infection with the Vista UAC/NIS combo in over a year). >>>>>>>> I do run SAS and PrevxCSI at times but never find nothing more than >>>>>>>> a few cookies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I ignore the "cut and paste" replies in this group. It is like >>>>>>>> listening to a record that is stuck, lol. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "frizzie" <frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:frizzie.35m660@no-mx.forums.net... >>>>>>>>> What's wrong with Norton's Internet Security program? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> frizzie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> I'm not sure I can understand your argument. If I have had bad >>> experience, and bad service for many years, I should give them just one >>> more chance or else I risk being labeled a basher by someone like you! >>> The only fact that means a damn thing is that people (read I) have had a >>> lot of problems with NIS and have decided to go to something that does >>> not have these problems and still gets the job done. Period. I used >>> Norton from 1993 till 2007 and experienced MANY problems. The final >>> straw for me was when I discovered that my system restore wouldn't work >>> unless I made configuration changes in NIS's internal security settings, >>> and then of course you have to remember to change the settings back when >>> you were done restoring. >>> Someone else in this thread said "If it works for you". Fine. It doesn't >>> work for me, and obviously a lot of others. The fact that anyone who has >>> a divergent viewpoint is automatically awarded a schoolyard label by you >>> leads me to be suspect about whether or not your opinion is worth >>> considering. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave T. >>> >>> "Many people die at twenty-five and aren't buried >>> until they are seventy-five". >>> Benjamin Franklin</span> >></span> > </span> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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