Guest Leythos Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 In article <#aKCTLNqIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message > news:MPG.227edbf3ec811aed98975a@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:green"> > > In article <ekZucDMqIHA.4904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > > says...<span style="color:darkred"> > >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message > >> news:MPG.227ec0e466ba45d4989757@adfree.usenet.com... > >> > In article <#wZ44TKqIHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > >> > says... > >> >> Microsoft is not a part of Usenet. They simply make their > >> >> .public > >> > Again, you're missing the point - they have a Usenet service, it's > >> > the > >> > root of their "Groups" that you are using - it IS the > >> > infrastructure, > >> > the foundation, the technology that they use to build from. > >> > Yes, they make select parts available to other feeds, and they have > >> > a > >> > private Usenet server also - you have to authenticate with it to > >> > access > >> > it, but that is part of Usenet methods and it is Usenet. > >> > Don't mistake Usenet for the part that is public, and not every > >> > Usenet > >> > provider carries the same groups, some only carry a fraction, some > >> > limit > >> > you monthly byte count, etc.... > >> > Again, MS is using a News Server that is based on what we all use > >> > as > >> > Usenet, and they provide the masses that don't know about Usenet > >> > with > >> > a > >> > web interface to it also. > >> You're the one missing the point style_emoticons/ It's very simple, really... > >> The NNTP protocal That MS' newsserver uses IS NOT USENET, period. > >> I > >> see you still don't get it... Oh well... > >> Do your homewark!</span> > > Do your homework yourself. Usenet is what is available, based on the > > defined structure, and it could encompass public and private servers > > where private servers allow public connections. > > Here is a link to what you should understand about Usenet: > > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/</span> > > Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). Microsoft > does not peer with any other newsservers, therefore > msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet, period. It appears you > cannot understand simple logic... > Case closed.</span> Yes, MS does peer with other servers. I post to a non-MS Usenet server, my posts show up on the MS servers as they peer with outside sources. You can apologize now. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest jen Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.227f71659f56dc7098975c@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <#aKCTLNqIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > says...<span style="color:green"> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message >> news:MPG.227edbf3ec811aed98975a@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > In article <ekZucDMqIHA.4904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com >> > says... >> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message >> >> news:MPG.227ec0e466ba45d4989757@adfree.usenet.com... >> >> > In article <#wZ44TKqIHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, >> >> > jen@example.com >> >> > says... >> >> >> Microsoft is not a part of Usenet. They simply make their >> >> >> .public >> >> > Again, you're missing the point - they have a Usenet service, >> >> > it's >> >> > the >> >> > root of their "Groups" that you are using - it IS the >> >> > infrastructure, >> >> > the foundation, the technology that they use to build from. >> >> > Yes, they make select parts available to other feeds, and they >> >> > have >> >> > a >> >> > private Usenet server also - you have to authenticate with it to >> >> > access >> >> > it, but that is part of Usenet methods and it is Usenet. >> >> > Don't mistake Usenet for the part that is public, and not every >> >> > Usenet >> >> > provider carries the same groups, some only carry a fraction, >> >> > some >> >> > limit >> >> > you monthly byte count, etc.... >> >> > Again, MS is using a News Server that is based on what we all >> >> > use >> >> > as >> >> > Usenet, and they provide the masses that don't know about Usenet >> >> > with >> >> > a >> >> > web interface to it also. >> >> You're the one missing the point style_emoticons/ It's very simple, really... >> >> The NNTP protocal That MS' newsserver uses IS NOT USENET, >> >> period. >> >> I >> >> see you still don't get it... Oh well... >> >> Do your homewark! >> > Do your homework yourself. Usenet is what is available, based on >> > the >> > defined structure, and it could encompass public and private >> > servers >> > where private servers allow public connections. >> > Here is a link to what you should understand about Usenet: >> > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/</span> >> Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). Microsoft >> does not peer with any other newsservers, therefore >> msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet, period. It appears >> you >> cannot understand simple logic... >> Case closed.</span> > Yes, MS does peer with other servers. I post to a non-MS Usenet > server, > my posts show up on the MS servers as they peer with outside sources. > You can apologize now.</span> I too, can post to MS newsgroups from my ISP's newsserver if I choose to... That only means your newsserver admin has added the microsoft.public. hierarchy to their newsserver, Not that they PEER with msnews.microsoft.com. Sheesh! "For a number of years, Microsoft has created the Microsoft.public newsgroup hierarchy and made it available to anyone ON the Usenet (my emphasis)". http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...ln%5D;newswhelp Can you not comprehend this?: [FAQ] How to add the microsoft. hierarchy to a news server: Last-modified: 2007/08/02 Microsoft created Microsoft public discussions covering many Microsoft products, technologies, and topics because of the value of finding out what your peers think and getting information from people who use the same products and technologies you use. The Microsoft public discussions have been available to anyone on Usenet for a number of years. http://www.trigofacile.com/divers/usenet/c...crosoft-faq.txt I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). Microsoft does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft is not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when you can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/ -jen(not a name) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). > Microsoft > does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft is > not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups > "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when you > can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/</span> Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly don't understand how it works. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Leo Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Who cares? Why don't you take this crap to email? -- Leo "I contend that, for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity, is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > says...<span style="color:green"> >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). >> Microsoft >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft is >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when you >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/</span> > > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. > > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly don't > understand how it works. > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Glossary entries from one of the URL's you provided: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...ln%5D;newswhelp NNTP "Network News Transport Protocol, " the name of a protocol that controls the request and exchange of Usenet messages. News The generic name for the Usenet. Post An individual Usenet message. Also, the act of sending an individual Usenet message to a server that will display it in the newsgroup. Usenet The collection of all posts publicly distributed through NNTP. It's starting to look like this is usenet even for you - From your headers in your last post to this newsgroup using NNTP X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-150-224-76.tys.bellsouth.net 72.150.224.76 Anyways, it's news to me style_emoticons/) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 In article <#a#1mAWqIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Erratic@ne.rr.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > Anyways, it's news to me style_emoticons/) > </span> LOL -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest jen Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%23a%231mAWqIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Glossary entries from one of the URL's you provided: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...ln%5D;newswhelp > NNTP > "Network News Transport Protocol, " the name of a protocol that > controls the request and exchange of Usenet messages. > News > The generic name for the Usenet. > Post > An individual Usenet message. Also, the act of sending an individual > Usenet message to a server that will display it in the newsgroup. > Usenet > The collection of all posts publicly distributed through NNTP. > > It's starting to look like this is usenet even for you - > From your headers in your last post to this newsgroup using NNTP > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus > NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-150-224-76.tys.bellsouth.net 72.150.224.76</span> NNTP-Posting-Host: tells us with which machine a message originated (if not spoofed style_emoticons/ <span style="color:blue"> > Anyways, it's news to me style_emoticons/)</span> Did you miss this in my headers? style_emoticons/ Message-ID: <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>( MS news server) (a unique ID assigned to this particular message by the news server (if not spoofed style_emoticons/ Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl (MS news server style_emoticons/ (Path: header shows, from first to last, the news server from which you read the message, all the news servers through which it was passed, and lastly the news server where the message originated) I never said "this is not Usenet"(whatever that means to you style_emoticons/ I merely stated msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet due to the fact they do not PEER with any other newsservers. Why do you think other News Admins need a special FAQ in order to add the microsoft.public. hierarchy to their newsservers to make MS' groups available to anyone ON the Usenet ? http://www.trigofacile.com/divers/usenet/c...crosoft-faq.txt If you log on to msnews.microsoft.com(a private server) you do not need to go through Usenet(via your NSP if they happen to carry the microsoft.public. hierarchy) to post or read on their groups... There are many private newsservers on the net(Using the NNTP protocol and not on the Usenet) who chose not to make their groups available to anyone ON the Usenet (you have to logon to their server to read/post). Microsoft chose to make their groups available to anyone ON the Usenet ( if the NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). See link above... Capisc? -jen Quote
Guest jen Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > says...<span style="color:green"> >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). >> Microsoft >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft >> is >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when >> you >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/</span> > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly > don't > understand how it works.</span> You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON the Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/ -jen Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 "Non-Usenet newsgroups are possible and do occur, as private individuals or organizations set up their own nntp servers. Examples include the newsgroups Microsoft run to allow peer-to-peer support of their products" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message news:urYpcghqIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message : news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com... : > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com : > says... : >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). : >> Microsoft : >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft : >> is : >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups : >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when : >> you : >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/ : > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. : > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly : > don't : > understand how it works. : : You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for : msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER : with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other : newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet. : They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON the : Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). : If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/ : : -jen : : : : : : : Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 "Newsgroup. A particular group within the Usenet. In October 2000, there were more than 100,000 newsgroups. Each newsgroup is named according to a hierarchical convention. Categories such as "rec," "comp," or "misc" identify the general subject of the newsgroup. Additional terms are sometimes added, uniquely defining the newsgroup within a collection of others. Examples: comp.lang.perl.misc, rec.pets.cats, Microsoft.public.access." http://www.microsoft.com/communities/guide/newsgroupfaq.mspx "jen" <jen@example.com> wrote in message news:urYpcghqIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message : news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com... : > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com : > says... : >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). : >> Microsoft : >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft : >> is : >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups : >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when : >> you : >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/ : > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. : > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly : > don't : > understand how it works. : : You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for : msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER : with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other : newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet. : They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON the : Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). : If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/ : : -jen : : : : : : : Quote
Guest Leythos Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 In article <urYpcghqIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message > news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:green"> > > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > > says...<span style="color:darkred"> > >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it up). > >> Microsoft > >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore Microsoft > >> is > >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups > >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when > >> you > >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/</span> > > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. > > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly > > don't > > understand how it works.</span> > > You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for > msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER > with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other > newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet. > They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON the > Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). > If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/</span> Jen, you just don't seem to understand, MS is peering or they would not show my posts to my Usenet provider on THEIR servers, and I would not see their posts on my providers servers either. Face it, you're completely wrong here - you might want to chat with one of the old Usenet admins, the ones before they farmed support for it out, and they would explain it to you. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest jen Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:MPG.22813e39be8314ae98976d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <urYpcghqIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > says...<span style="color:green"> >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message >> news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com >> > says... >> >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it >> >> up). >> >> Microsoft >> >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore >> >> Microsoft >> >> is >> >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups >> >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when >> >> you >> >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/ >> > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. >> > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly >> > don't >> > understand how it works.</span> >> You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for >> msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER >> with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other >> newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of >> Usenet. >> They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON >> the >> Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). >> If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/</span></span> \> Jen, you just don't seem to understand, MS is peering or they would not<span style="color:blue"> > show my posts to my Usenet provider on THEIR servers, and I would not > see their posts on my providers servers either. > Face it, you're completely wrong here - you might want to chat with > one > of the old Usenet admins, the ones before they farmed support for it > out, and they would explain it to you.</span> Thank you, I have my own old newsserver admin. There is, and never has been, an "Usenet admin" style_emoticons/ -jen(not a name, therefore not capitalized style_emoticons/ Quote
Guest Leythos Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 In article <e0C$S8jqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message > news:MPG.22813e39be8314ae98976d@adfree.usenet.com...<span style="color:green"> > > In article <urYpcghqIHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > > says...<span style="color:darkred"> > >> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message > >> news:MPG.227fc1e0cc0d46598975d@adfree.usenet.com... > >> > In article <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, jen@example.com > >> > says... > >> >> I repeat, Usenet is a peer to peer network of "servers"(look it > >> >> up). > >> >> Microsoft > >> >> does NOT peer with any other newsservers , therefore > >> >> Microsoft > >> >> is > >> >> not a part of Usenet. They simply make their .public. groups > >> >> "available to anyone ON the Usenet". Sink in yet? Come back when > >> >> you > >> >> can comprehend simple logic style_emoticons/ > >> > Jen, you are wrong, you don't understand how it works. > >> > You almost get it right and then you screw up because you clearly > >> > don't > >> > understand how it works. > >> You clearly don't understand the simple fact that in order for > >> msnews.microsoft.com to be a part of Usenet , they have to PEER > >> with other newsservers. Microsoft does NOT peer with any other > >> newsservers , therefore msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of > >> Usenet. > >> They simply make their .public. groups "available to anyone ON > >> the > >> Usenet"(if a NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). > >> If you can prove otherwise, I'll be glad to "apologize" style_emoticons/</span></span> > > Jen, you just don't seem to understand, MS is peering or they would > not<span style="color:green"> > > show my posts to my Usenet provider on THEIR servers, and I would not > > see their posts on my providers servers either. > > Face it, you're completely wrong here - you might want to chat with > > one > > of the old Usenet admins, the ones before they farmed support for it > > out, and they would explain it to you.</span> > > Thank you, I have my own old newsserver admin. There is, and never > has been, an "Usenet admin" style_emoticons/</span> The usenet servers all over the world have admins that run them, they are their own kingdoms and they control them. In the old days we use to cancel ot post and stuff that we didn't like in chartered groups, today it's mostly let run loose. MS had Usenet server admins, several of them, and they run a Usenet server that peers with others, that's how your provider gets the info. You are right, technically, there is not SINGLE Usenet admin, but each server or farm has admins that control their own servers, so, at their location there is a Usenet Admin. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 Leythos said 'this is usenet' in response to your post found on the server (he?) uses. You said "no it isn't", in response to a post from (him?) on the server you use. By the glossary entries on the very URL you yourself provided to substantiate your claim, I posted excerpts from your message header to show that it was indeed a usenet post - using MS's own glossary entries. Actually, I don't give a crap one way or the other. Discussions like this bring about some interesting reading when URL's are actually investigated though. <span style="color:blue"> > I never said "this is not Usenet"(whatever that means to you style_emoticons/ I > merely stated msnews.microsoft.com > is not a part of Usenet due to the fact they do not PEER with any > other newsservers.</span> Sure, that's what you say now , but your posted usenet article style_emoticons/P indicates otherwise. Anyway, no more responses from me in this thread no matter how much your next usenet post tries to egg me on. style_emoticons/) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 In article <eJpSXxlqIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, Erratic@ne.rr.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > Anyway, no more responses from me in this thread no matter how > much your next usenet post tries to egg me on. > </span> I agree and should not have let myself be trolled like that. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest jen Posted April 30, 2008 Posted April 30, 2008 (attribution restored... style_emoticons/ "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%23a%231mAWqIHA.1772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Glossary entries from one of the URL's you provided: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...ln%5D;newswhelp > NNTP > "Network News Transport Protocol, " the name of a protocol that > controls the request and exchange of Usenet messages. > News > The generic name for the Usenet. > Post > An individual Usenet message. Also, the act of sending an individual > Usenet message to a server that will display it in the newsgroup. > Usenet > The collection of all posts publicly distributed through NNTP. > > It's starting to look like this is usenet even for you - > From your headers in your last post to this newsgroup using NNTP > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus > NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-150-224-76.tys.bellsouth.net 72.150.224.76</span> jen replied: NNTP-Posting-Host: tells us with which machine a message originated (if not spoofed style_emoticons/ <span style="color:blue"> > Anyways, it's news to me style_emoticons/)</span> jen replied: Did you miss this in my headers? style_emoticons/ Message-ID: <OEL3YETqIHA.4788@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>( MS news server) (a unique ID assigned to this particular message by the news server (if not spoofed style_emoticons/ Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl (MS news server style_emoticons/ (Path: header shows, from first to last, the news server from which you read the message, all the news servers through which it was passed, and lastly the news server where the message originated) I never said "this is not Usenet"(whatever that means to you style_emoticons/ I merely stated msnews.microsoft.com is not a part of Usenet due to the fact they do not PEER with any other newsservers. Why do you think other News Admins need a special FAQ in order to add the microsoft.public. hierarchy to their newsservers to make MS' groups available to anyone ON the Usenet ? http://www.trigofacile.com/divers/usenet/c...crosoft-faq.txt If you log on to msnews.microsoft.com(a private server) you do not need to go through Usenet(via your NSP if they happen to carry the microsoft.public. hierarchy) to post or read on their groups... There are many private newsservers on the net(Using the NNTP protocol and not on the Usenet) who chose not to make their groups available to anyone ON the Usenet (you have to logon to their server to read/post). Microsoft chose to make their groups available to anyone ON the Usenet ( if the NSP's admin adds the microsoft.public. hierarchy). See link above... Capisc? -jen "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:eJpSXxlqIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Leythos said 'this is usenet' in response to your post found > on the server (he?) uses. You said "no it isn't", in response > to a post from (him?) on the server you use. > By the glossary entries on the very URL you yourself provided > to substantiate your claim, I posted excerpts from your message > header to show that it was indeed a usenet post - using MS's > own glossary entries. > Actually, I don't give a crap one way or the other. Discussions > like this bring about some interesting reading when URL's are > actually investigated though.<span style="color:green"> >> I never said "this is not Usenet"(whatever that means to you style_emoticons/ I >> merely stated msnews.microsoft.com >> is not a part of Usenet due to the fact they do not PEER with any >> other newsservers.</span> > Sure, that's what you say now , but your posted usenet article style_emoticons/P > indicates otherwise. > Anyway, no more responses from me in this thread no matter how > much your next usenet post tries to egg me on. > style_emoticons/)</span> Straw Man response noted style_emoticons/ [A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position). A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted).] -jen Quote
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