Guest **jerry** Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 Hello, i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed block incoming and outgoing? i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it really neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to turn off the windows firewall? and if i need another one, which one? Thank you for all help, Jerry --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080409-1, 09-04-2008 Tested on: 9-4-2008 23:45:05 avast! - copyright Quote
Guest Kayman Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 23:45:04 +0200, jerry wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hello, > i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed block > incoming and outgoing? > i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it really > neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to turn off the > windows firewall? > and if i need another one, which one? > Thank you for all help,</span> You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using. "Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil. http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html Jesper's Blogs- At Least This Snake Oil Is Free. http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/arc...il-is-free.aspx Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista? http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/.../01/426921.aspx Exploring The Windows Firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetma...ll/default.aspx "If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what you ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theaterâ€â€it’s a gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it doesn’t exist in the Windows Vistaâ„¢ firewall." Tap into the Vista firewall's advanced configuration features http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6098592.html "...once you discover the secret of accessing its advanced configuration settings via the MMC snap-in, you'll find it to be far more configurable and functional. At last, Windows comes with a sophisticated personal firewall that can be used to set up outbound rules as well as inbound, with the ability to customize rules to fit your precise needs." Or Configure Vista Firewall to support outbound packet filtering http://searchwindowssecurity.techtarget.co...1247138,00.html Or Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available). Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing activity, controls applications internet access. http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/ And... Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection. In fact most experts believe that scanning incoming and outgoing mail causes e-mail file corruption. Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.) --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080409-1, 09-04-2008 Tested on: 9-4-2008 23:45:05 avast! - copyright Quote
Guest Straight Talk Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 23:45:04 +0200, " jerry " <didjerrydoo@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Hello, >i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed block >incoming and outgoing?</span> Yes. <span style="color:blue"> >i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. </span> They didn't. <span style="color:blue"> >So is it really neccesary to install another one, </span> No. <span style="color:blue"> >and if so, do i then need to turn off the windows firewall?</span> Yes. But the other so called "firewall" will most likely do that for you. <span style="color:blue"> >and if i need another one, which one?</span> You don't need another one. You need a security concept. Quote
Guest GTS Posted April 10, 2008 Posted April 10, 2008 The Vista firewall, by default, blocks incoming only. It can be configured for outbound filtering also. (See the links in the other replies for how to info.) Less technical users tend to find the outbound functionality in the Vista firewall somewhat difficult to manage, and for that reason among others, may prefer a 3rd party firewall product. Inbound protection is a necessity. There is some disagreement re. outbound filtering. Personally I believe it has some value, but for non-technical end users I often do not implement outbound filtering in Vista (or in XP install a 3rd party firewall with it) as they find it too difficult to manage effectively. (I wouldn't put much credence in Microsoft's childish characterization of outbound filtering as a "gimmick." MS is touchy about this because of past criticism of it's mediocre early firewall implementations. These issues are never quite that simple.) -- " jerry " <didjerrydoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23U3Y9romIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Hello, > i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed > block incoming and outgoing? > i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it really > neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to turn off > the windows firewall? > and if i need another one, which one? > Thank you for all help, > Jerry > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080409-1, 09-04-2008 > Tested on: 9-4-2008 23:45:05 > avast! - copyright Quote
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 jerry wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Hello, > i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed > block incoming and outgoing?</span> Yes. Vista's built-in firewall is perfectly adequate for most people. While it's not quite up to the ease-of-use standards of Kerio or ZoneAlarm, it has been noticeably improved over WinXP's version. There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall: 1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the only one most people see. To further supplement this view, Sphinx's Vista Firewall Control http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware that makes the Vista Firewall much more easily manageable to the average user. 2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security (WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder, for the experienced user who wants more granular control. <span style="color:blue"> > i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it > really neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to > turn off the windows firewall?</span> It's probably not necessary to install a 3rd party firewall, but, if you do, you definitely should disable the Windows Firewall. My position is that running two or more software firewalls simultaneously is generally unnecessary and can _sometimes_ cause conflicts, potentially negating the protection of both. Even ig there is no conflict, having two firewalls running simultaneously is most certainly an unnecessary drain on system resources, without providing any additional benefit. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot Quote
Guest Mr. Arnold Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 " jerry " <didjerrydoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23U3Y9romIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Hello, > i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed > block incoming and outgoing? > i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it really > neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to turn off > the windows firewall? > and if i need another one, which one?</span> The Vista FW/packet filter is very good. If you would like to add another packet filter NOT a 3rd party FW to supplement the Vista FW/packet it filter, then may I suggest the IPSEC that's on the O/S too, along with the AnalogX's Policy rules? I have Vista FW/packet filter and IPSEC running together, with IPSEC supplementing the Vista FW/packet filter. http://www.petri.co.il/block_ping_traffic_with_ipsec.htm http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813878 http://www.analogx.com/CONTENTS/articles/ipsec.htm Quote
Guest **jerry** Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 Thanks alot all for the detailed info and links to it. i feel safe. i'll read on here if there's more to know. Jerry "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> schreef in bericht news:eS7jOA4mIHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > " jerry " <didjerrydoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23U3Y9romIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Hello, >> i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed >> block incoming and outgoing? >> i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it >> really neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to >> turn off the windows firewall? >> and if i need another one, which one?</span> > > The Vista FW/packet filter is very good. If you would like to add another > packet filter NOT a 3rd party FW to supplement the Vista FW/packet it > filter, then may I suggest the IPSEC that's on the O/S too, along with the > AnalogX's Policy rules? I have Vista FW/packet filter and IPSEC running > together, with IPSEC supplementing the Vista FW/packet filter. > > http://www.petri.co.il/block_ping_traffic_with_ipsec.htm > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813878 > http://www.analogx.com/CONTENTS/articles/ipsec.htm > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080410-1, 10-04-2008 > Tested on: 11-4-2008 10:33:36 > avast! - copyright Quote
Guest Straight Talk Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:31:12 -0400, "GTS" <x> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >The Vista firewall, by default, blocks incoming only. </span> That's what most people claim, but actually that's not fully correct. The truth is, Vista by default contains 82 default filters that prevent 34 services from communicating out other than on a very narrow set of defined ports. Quote
Guest Chris Game Posted April 11, 2008 Posted April 11, 2008 On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:39:38 +0200, Straight Talk wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > The truth is, Vista by default contains 82 default filters that > prevent 34 services from communicating out other than on a very > narrow set of defined ports.</span> Translation: it's a nightmare to manage. -- Chris Game ".NET...helps developers deliver a deep and compelling user experience..." MSFT web-site Quote
Guest Straight Talk Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:43:02 +0100, Chris Game <chrisgame@example.net> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:39:38 +0200, Straight Talk wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> The truth is, Vista by default contains 82 default filters that >> prevent 34 services from communicating out other than on a very >> narrow set of defined ports.</span> > >Translation: it's a nightmare to manage.</span> That wasn't really the topic. Quote
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted April 12, 2008 Posted April 12, 2008 The Windows Vista firewall blocks both incoming and outgoing malicious traffic so there is not need to install a third party application. Some people, of course, don't bother with the Vista firewall, replacing it instead with the free version of Zone Alarm or something similar. Personally I haven't found the need to do this and have always used the Vista Firewall. If, on the other hand, you chose to use Windows One Care (an application I am not particularly keen on) this will actually disable the windows vista firewall and also Windows defender. It disables them because One Care uses its own built in copies of both the Vista firewall and Windows defender and you don't need two running at the same time. -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. " jerry " <didjerrydoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23U3Y9romIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Hello, > i'd like to know details about the vista firewall. Does it now indeed > block incoming and outgoing? > i assume microsoft didnot create the firewall for nothing. So is it really > neccesary to install another one, and if so, do i then need to turn off > the windows firewall? > and if i need another one, which one? > Thank you for all help, > Jerry > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 080409-1, 09-04-2008 > Tested on: 9-4-2008 23:45:05 > avast! - copyright Quote
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