Guest charlie Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus installed? Quote
Guest Engel Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Hello Charlie, Yes, you can have installed only one antivirus and 2 or more spyware programas. (Remeber only one program running as a Real Time Protection) Spyware Spyware is a program using Internet to send various user’s data without his prior knowledge. Similarly to adware, accepting the license agreement can be a part of a free program. Spyware usually sends statistical data as information about installed programs, visited sites, etc. Acquired information is usually exploited for commercial gain. Virus Virus is a program able to self-replicate. It spreads by inserting copies of itself into other executable files and ensures their execution. The name is derived from similarity to behavior of biological viruses. Virus can get to your computer mainly through usage of the Internet. Additionally, viruses can spread to other computers by infecting files on LAN or when copying from data medium like floppy disc, CD, DVD, etc. There are file viruses, thus individual malicious programs, boot viruses, which attack boot sector of a hard disc to make sure that they run every time the computer is started and macroviruses, which are most often a part of documents with .DOC and .XLS extension. Viruses can be further divided into two types, on the basis of their behavior when they get executed. Whereas non-resident viruses are started upon execution of infected object, a resident virus loads itself into memory on execution and transfers control to the host program. The virus stays active in the background and infects new hosts when those files are accessed. - -- --- "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> Quote
Guest Gordon Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 "charlie" <charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1953546E-F5D1-4941-BB5B-A5C8AF98BE35@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> Yes - the two are totally different.... Quote
Guest .Joe Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 charlie;691872 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an > anti-virus > installed?</span> It depends on the anti-virus program. Does it scan for spyware, adware, malware and other evilware besides viruses? Many anti-virus programs do, and if yours does, then it would be optional to install and use a spyware program. Some programs pick up or scan for different things. I'd check out your anti-virus program features and see what it looks for. -- .Joe _[image: http://uswave.net/vistax64/joetmvx64.png] (\"http://uswave.net/vistax64/joetmvx64.png\")_ _ ::Vista_Forums:: (\"http://www.vistax64.com/\")_ _Geekbench_Score:_4031 (\"http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/51273\")_ _CPU-Z (\"http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=345866\")_ Quote
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Yes an anti spyware/malware program is necessary - some will say even two or three different variants of spyware/malware application. Windows Vista already has Windows Defender anyway so you are, assuming you are using Windows defender, covered. Other alternatives are Ad-Aware and Spybot search and destroy (just Google for them) -- -- John Barnett MVP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "charlie" <charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1953546E-F5D1-4941-BB5B-A5C8AF98BE35@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed? </span> Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Charlie, below is the security I use, and how to! -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Charlie, below is the security I use, and how to! http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgen...005033108162039 Above is the link for Norton Removal Tool; if using Norton. Vista’s Firewall is very good! http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html Above is a link to Avast Free 4 Home Anti-Virus It is low resource using, free and Vista 32bit and 64bit compatible. Only have one (1) anti-virus installed; more than 1 can cause conflicts. http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html For Spyware removal, use the above link to “Spybot Search & Destroy 1.5.2†Download it, install it, update it, immunize your system and scan your System with it. http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/ For a non-scanning, but running in the background, Program to STOP Spyware being downloaded to your Computer, use SpywareBlaster 4, available at the above link. IMPORTANT ADVICE: After scanning with the above Programs, problems still remain. Reboot computer, and tap F8 at power on/ startup. From the list of options that appears, select Safe mode by using the UP and DOWN Arrows, then hit ENTER. Rescan the computer in Safe mode. -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 Nice informative post Engel. It may interest you that some viruses don't spread by inserting copies of themselves into executable files. File infectors are pretty common though. Check out the DirII infection method just FYI. "Engel" <Engel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BF7D8F2C-0232-4C93-9079-1B646787E336@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Hello Charlie, > > Yes, you can have installed only one antivirus and 2 or more spyware > programas. > (Remeber only one program running as a Real Time Protection) > > > Spyware > Spyware is a program using Internet to send various user’s data without > his > prior knowledge. Similarly to adware, accepting the license agreement can > be > a part of a free program. Spyware usually sends statistical data as > information about installed programs, visited sites, etc. Acquired > information is usually exploited for commercial gain. > > > Virus > Virus is a program able to self-replicate. It spreads by inserting copies > of > itself into other executable files and ensures their execution. The name > is > derived from similarity to behavior of biological viruses. Virus can get > to > your computer mainly through usage of the Internet. Additionally, viruses > can > spread to other computers by infecting files on LAN or when copying from > data > medium like floppy disc, CD, DVD, etc. There are file viruses, thus > individual malicious programs, boot viruses, which attack boot sector of a > hard disc to make sure that they run every time the computer is started > and > macroviruses, which are most often a part of documents with .DOC and .XLS > extension. > > Viruses can be further divided into two types, on the basis of their > behavior when they get executed. Whereas non-resident viruses are started > upon execution of infected object, a resident virus loads itself into > memory > on execution and transfers control to the host program. The virus stays > active in the background and infects new hosts when those files are > accessed. > - -- --- > > > > > > "charlie" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an >> anti-virus >> installed? </span></span> Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted April 23, 2008 Posted April 23, 2008 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie <charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> I strongly recommend against spyware programs. But I strongly recommend for anti-spyware programs. ;-) The fact that you have an anti-virus program installed is irrelevant. Most do little or nothing about spyware. In fact a single anti-spyware program isn't sufficient. Note what Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products, states: "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries" See http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest Kayman Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > installed?</span> AV applications normally detect "viral malware". What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things like spyware and adware). The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what another may miss. Quote
Guest charlie Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply.I think everyone was in agreement that several anti-spyware programmes are needed. I have certainly been given several links to follow up on which should keep me busy. Thanks again everyone. "Kayman" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > > installed?</span> > > > AV applications normally detect "viral malware". > What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things > like spyware and adware). > The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and > oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that > cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple > products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what > another may miss. > </span> Quote
Guest charlie Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Hi Engel. Does "Spywareblaster" count as real time protection? "Engel" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hello Charlie, > > Yes, you can have installed only one antivirus and 2 or more spyware > programas. > (Remeber only one program running as a Real Time Protection) > > > Spyware > Spyware is a program using Internet to send various user’s data without his > prior knowledge. Similarly to adware, accepting the license agreement can be > a part of a free program. Spyware usually sends statistical data as > information about installed programs, visited sites, etc. Acquired > information is usually exploited for commercial gain. > > > Virus > Virus is a program able to self-replicate. It spreads by inserting copies of > itself into other executable files and ensures their execution. The name is > derived from similarity to behavior of biological viruses. Virus can get to > your computer mainly through usage of the Internet. Additionally, viruses can > spread to other computers by infecting files on LAN or when copying from data > medium like floppy disc, CD, DVD, etc. There are file viruses, thus > individual malicious programs, boot viruses, which attack boot sector of a > hard disc to make sure that they run every time the computer is started and > macroviruses, which are most often a part of documents with .DOC and .XLS > extension. > > Viruses can be further divided into two types, on the basis of their > behavior when they get executed. Whereas non-resident viruses are started > upon execution of infected object, a resident virus loads itself into memory > on execution and transfers control to the host program. The virus stays > active in the background and infects new hosts when those files are accessed. > - -- --- > > > > > > "charlie" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > > installed?</span></span> Quote
Guest charlie Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Hi Joe Thanks for these links. Very informative. ".Joe" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > charlie;691872 Wrote: <span style="color:green"> > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an > > anti-virus > > installed?</span> > > It depends on the anti-virus program. Does it scan for spyware, adware, > malware and other evilware besides viruses? Many anti-virus programs do, > and if yours does, then it would be optional to install and use a > spyware program. Some programs pick up or scan for different things. I'd > check out your anti-virus program features and see what it looks for. > > > -- > .Joe > > _[image: > http://uswave.net/vistax64/joetmvx64.png] ("http://uswave.net/vistax64/joetmvx64.png")_ > _ ::Vista_Forums:: ("http://www.vistax64.com/")_ > _Geekbench_Score:_4031 ("http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/51273")_ > _CPU-Z ("http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=345866")_ > </span> Quote
Guest Robinb Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 an excellant antispyware program is superantispyware. it comes free or pro the free doesn't run in real time- you need to run it manually. The Pro does and also allows you to scedule time frames both are at http://superantispyware.com both run on vista and xp robin "charlie" <charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:75AADE37-37F2-4D86-B524-B1E6D2E8DA69@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply.I think everyone was in > agreement that several anti-spyware programmes are needed. I have > certainly > been given several links to follow up on which should keep me busy. > Thanks again everyone. > > "Kayman" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: >><span style="color:darkred"> >> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an >> > anti-virus >> > installed?</span> >> >> >> AV applications normally detect "viral malware". >> What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things >> like spyware and adware). >> The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and >> oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software >> that >> cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple >> products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what >> another may miss. >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Engel Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Hi Charlie, Thanks for posting back. That's always a nice gesture when we get back a post indicating if the suggestions were helpful or not. Öö(¯`·._.·Eøçel·._.·´¯)öÖ "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply.I think everyone was in > agreement that several anti-spyware programmes are needed. I have certainly > been given several links to follow up on which should keep me busy. > Thanks again everyone. > > "Kayman" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: > > <span style="color:darkred"> > > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > > > installed?</span> > > > > > > AV applications normally detect "viral malware". > > What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things > > like spyware and adware). > > The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and > > oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that > > cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple > > products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what > > another may miss. > > </span></span> Quote
Guest Engel Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Hi Charlie, The short answer is No Feel free to install SpywareBlaster. Also, follow Robinb sugestion, go for the free version. Good luck - -- -- "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hi Engel. > Does "Spywareblaster" count as real time protection? > > "Engel" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > Hello Charlie, > > > > Yes, you can have installed only one antivirus and 2 or more spyware > > programas. > > (Remeber only one program running as a Real Time Protection) > > > > > > Spyware > > Spyware is a program using Internet to send various user’s data without his > > prior knowledge. Similarly to adware, accepting the license agreement can be > > a part of a free program. Spyware usually sends statistical data as > > information about installed programs, visited sites, etc. Acquired > > information is usually exploited for commercial gain. > > > > > > Virus > > Virus is a program able to self-replicate. It spreads by inserting copies of > > itself into other executable files and ensures their execution. The name is > > derived from similarity to behavior of biological viruses. Virus can get to > > your computer mainly through usage of the Internet. Additionally, viruses can > > spread to other computers by infecting files on LAN or when copying from data > > medium like floppy disc, CD, DVD, etc. There are file viruses, thus > > individual malicious programs, boot viruses, which attack boot sector of a > > hard disc to make sure that they run every time the computer is started and > > macroviruses, which are most often a part of documents with .DOC and .XLS > > extension. > > > > Viruses can be further divided into two types, on the basis of their > > behavior when they get executed. Whereas non-resident viruses are started > > upon execution of infected object, a resident virus loads itself into memory > > on execution and transfers control to the host program. The virus stays > > active in the background and infects new hosts when those files are accessed. > > - -- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > "charlie" wrote: > > <span style="color:darkred"> > > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > > > installed?</span></span></span> Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Thanks for replying. Happy computing! -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "charlie" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply.I think everyone was in > agreement that several anti-spyware programmes are needed. I have certainly > been given several links to follow up on which should keep me busy. > Thanks again everyone. > > "Kayman" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: > > <span style="color:darkred"> > > > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an anti-virus > > > installed?</span> > > > > > > AV applications normally detect "viral malware". > > What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things > > like spyware and adware). > > The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and > > oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that > > cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple > > products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what > > another may miss. > > </span></span> Quote
Guest Kayman Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:35:00 -0700, charlie wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Does "Spywareblaster" count as real time protection?</span> "SpywareBlaster is not a scanner application. It blocks the installation of most ActiveX-based spyware, adware, browser hijackers, dialers and other unwanted programs from the user's computer (it does so in real-time). SpywareBlaster works by blacklisting the CLSID of known malware programs, effectively preventing them from infecting a protected computer and also allows the user to prevent privacy hazards such as tracking cookies." http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html Quote
Guest SG Posted April 26, 2008 Posted April 26, 2008 I'll second Robin's suggestion about Superantispyware. It's an excellent program and I'd recommend it to everyone. Although the Free version works well I use the paid version for real time protection. -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ "Robinb" <robinbk9_nospam@msn.com> wrote in message news:eAPYMRhpIHA.4716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > an excellant antispyware program is superantispyware. > it comes free or pro > the free doesn't run in real time- you need to run it manually. > The Pro does and also allows you to scedule time frames > both are at http://superantispyware.com > both run on vista and xp > > robin > "charlie" <charlie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:75AADE37-37F2-4D86-B524-B1E6D2E8DA69@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to reply.I think everyone was in >> agreement that several anti-spyware programmes are needed. I have >> certainly >> been given several links to follow up on which should keep me busy. >> Thanks again everyone. >> >> "Kayman" wrote: >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:03:00 -0700, charlie wrote: >>> >>> > Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an >>> > anti-virus >>> > installed? >>> >>> >>> AV applications normally detect "viral malware". >>> What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware (things >>> like spyware and adware). >>> The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and >>> oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software >>> that >>> cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need >>> multiple >>> products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what >>> another may miss. >>></span></span> > > </span> Quote
Guest Acuddy96 Posted March 11, 2009 Posted March 11, 2009 "FromTheRafters" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Nice informative post Engel. > > It may interest you that some viruses don't spread by > inserting copies of themselves into executable files. > File infectors are pretty common though. > > Check out the DirII infection method just FYI. > > > "Engel" <Engel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:BF7D8F2C-0232-4C93-9079-1B646787E336@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > Hello Charlie, > > > > Yes, you can have installed only one antivirus and 2 or more spyware > > programas. > > (Remeber only one program running as a Real Time Protection) > > > > > > Spyware > > Spyware is a program using Internet to send various user’s data without > > his > > prior knowledge. Similarly to adware, accepting the license agreement can > > be > > a part of a free program. Spyware usually sends statistical data as > > information about installed programs, visited sites, etc. Acquired > > information is usually exploited for commercial gain. > > > > > > Virus > > Virus is a program able to self-replicate. It spreads by inserting copies > > of > > itself into other executable files and ensures their execution. The name > > is > > derived from similarity to behavior of biological viruses. Virus can get > > to > > your computer mainly through usage of the Internet. Additionally, viruses > > can > > spread to other computers by infecting files on LAN or when copying from > > data > > medium like floppy disc, CD, DVD, etc. There are file viruses, thus > > individual malicious programs, boot viruses, which attack boot sector of a > > hard disc to make sure that they run every time the computer is started > > and > > macroviruses, which are most often a part of documents with .DOC and .XLS > > extension. > > > > Viruses can be further divided into two types, on the basis of their > > behavior when they get executed. Whereas non-resident viruses are started > > upon execution of infected object, a resident virus loads itself into > > memory > > on execution and transfers control to the host program. The virus stays > > active in the background and infects new hosts when those files are > > accessed. > > - -- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > "charlie" wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> Is a spyware programme really neccessary if you already have an > >> anti-virus > >> installed? </span></span> > > </span> Quote
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