Guest janis75 Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both my windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into hibernation when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like either one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually do a complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me that my computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had everything set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody have any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other computer I have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to do. Please help Quote
Guest fuzor_silverbolt Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 Were your other computers running Windows XP? -- fuzor_silverbolt Quote
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted May 10, 2008 Posted May 10, 2008 janis75 wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both my > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > computer at 2 am on a daily basis.</span> Having both scans occur at the same time, if that is really what you've configured, could easily cause one or both to fail because of conflicting file access. <span style="color:blue"> > I usually put my computer into hibernation > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like either > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually do a > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me that my > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days.</span> What tells you it hasn't been scanned. Defender or your anonymous antivirus application? We can't even begin to help if you won't tell us which one isn't working. <span style="color:blue"> > I thought I had everything > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody have > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other computer I > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to do. > Please help</span> I can find nothing in either Vista's Power Management settings, or in Defender's settings, that would allow the computer to be awoken from hibernation. Can't speak to the antivirus applications abilities, as you've opted to keep that a secret. Remember, hibernation is the same as turning the computer's power completely off. The only difference is that the state of the computer (open applications and files, etc.) when it enters hibernation is automatically resumed when the PC is powered back on. With this in mind, I don't think you've ever been able to do precisely what you describe; you've most likely been putting the computers in Standby or Sleep mode - not Hibernate. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 janis75;707654 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both > my > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into > hibernation > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like > either > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually > do a > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me > that my > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had > everything > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody > have > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other > computer I > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to > do. > Please help</span> Hello janis, Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 Yes they were running XP.......I am new to Vista so I don't know if there is a difference with this or not. that is why I was asking "fuzor_silverbolt" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > Were your other computers running Windows XP? > > > -- > fuzor_silverbolt > </span> Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 defender will tell me that I haven't scanned my computer in days even though I could have just got doing a manual scan on it. that is where I am having issues. "Bruce Chambers" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > janis75 wrote:<span style="color:green"> > > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both my > > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > > computer at 2 am on a daily basis.</span> > > > Having both scans occur at the same time, if that is really what you've > configured, could easily cause one or both to fail because of > conflicting file access. > > <span style="color:green"> > > I usually put my computer into hibernation > > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like either > > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually do a > > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me that my > > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days.</span> > > > What tells you it hasn't been scanned. Defender or your anonymous > antivirus application? We can't even begin to help if you won't tell us > which one isn't working. > > <span style="color:green"> > > I thought I had everything > > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody have > > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other computer I > > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to do. > > Please help</span> > > I can find nothing in either Vista's Power Management settings, or in > Defender's settings, that would allow the computer to be awoken from > hibernation. Can't speak to the antivirus applications abilities, as > you've opted to keep that a secret. > > Remember, hibernation is the same as turning the computer's power > completely off. The only difference is that the state of the computer > (open applications and files, etc.) when it enters hibernation is > automatically resumed when the PC is powered back on. With this in > mind, I don't think you've ever been able to do precisely what you > describe; you've most likely been putting the computers in Standby or > Sleep mode - not Hibernate. > > > > -- > > Bruce Chambers > > Help us help you: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > killed a great many philosophers. > ~ Denis Diderot > </span> Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 okay obviously I came across as a complete moron so I guess I didn't state the isue the right way. I understand that normally a computer would have to be on in order for it to do certain things however, I am new to Vista so I didn't know if it could do anyting special like that. just a question is all.......as I said I was just looking for direction because Vista is new to me. "t-4-2" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > janis75;707654 Wrote: <span style="color:green"> > > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both > > my > > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > > computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into > > hibernation > > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like > > either > > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually > > do a > > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me > > that my > > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had > > everything > > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody > > have > > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other > > computer I > > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to > > do. > > Please help</span> > Hello janis, > Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > > > -- > t-4-2 > </span> Quote
Guest Rojo Habe Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 Try using Sleep instead of Hibernate. This keeps the RAM and processor going in a low power state but shuts down pretty much everything else, including the hard drives, fans and all lights on the machine so that it looks like it's off. It does everything that Hibernate does (dumps the contents of memory to the hard drive) so it's safe in case there's a power cut, but it resumes A LOT faster, and is able to wake up to perform scheduled tasks. I've got a bit of a problem with Defender at the moment, so it's still not running a scan, but I do know Windows Update is running every morning at 3AM without problems. "janis75" <janis75@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:51C842FC-F865-4726-989F-0EEE650EABD0@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > okay obviously I came across as a complete moron so I guess I didn't > state the isue the right way. > > I understand that normally a computer would have to be on in order for it > to > do certain things however, I am new to Vista so I didn't know if it could > do > anyting special like that. > > just a question is all.......as I said I was just looking for direction > because Vista is new to me. > > > "t-4-2" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> >> janis75;707654 Wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >> > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have >> > both >> > my >> > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my >> > computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into >> > hibernation >> > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like >> > either >> > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually >> > do a >> > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me >> > that my >> > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had >> > everything >> > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody >> > have >> > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other >> > computer I >> > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to >> > do. >> > Please help</span> >> Hello janis, >> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the >> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? >> >> >> -- >> t-4-2 >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Engel Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 Hello Janis, Am I correct in thinking that you are running Ccleaner or another registry cleaner? If so, in CCleaner/applications/Utilities dont mark Windows Defender. Than the history of WD keeps alive. - -- --- "janis75" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > defender will tell me that I haven't scanned my computer in days even though > I could have just got doing a manual scan on it. > > that is where I am having issues. > > "Bruce Chambers" wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > > janis75 wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> > > > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both my > > > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > > > computer at 2 am on a daily basis.</span> > > > > > > Having both scans occur at the same time, if that is really what you've > > configured, could easily cause one or both to fail because of > > conflicting file access. > > > > <span style="color:darkred"> > > > I usually put my computer into hibernation > > > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like either > > > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually do a > > > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me that my > > > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days.</span> > > > > > > What tells you it hasn't been scanned. Defender or your anonymous > > antivirus application? We can't even begin to help if you won't tell us > > which one isn't working. > > > > <span style="color:darkred"> > > > I thought I had everything > > > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody have > > > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other computer I > > > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to do. > > > Please help</span> > > > > I can find nothing in either Vista's Power Management settings, or in > > Defender's settings, that would allow the computer to be awoken from > > hibernation. Can't speak to the antivirus applications abilities, as > > you've opted to keep that a secret. > > > > Remember, hibernation is the same as turning the computer's power > > completely off. The only difference is that the state of the computer > > (open applications and files, etc.) when it enters hibernation is > > automatically resumed when the PC is powered back on. With this in > > mind, I don't think you've ever been able to do precisely what you > > describe; you've most likely been putting the computers in Standby or > > Sleep mode - not Hibernate. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Bruce Chambers > > > > Help us help you: > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 > > > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin > > > > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell > > > > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has > > killed a great many philosophers. > > ~ Denis Diderot > > </span></span> Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 janis75;708544 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > okay obviously I came across as a complete moron so I guess I > didn't > state the isue the right way. > > I understand that normally a computer would have to be on in order for > it to > do certain things however, I am new to Vista so I didn't know if it > could do > anyting special like that. > > just a question is all.......as I said I was just looking for direction > because Vista is new to me. > > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > janis75;707654 Wrote: > > > Hello janis, > > > Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > > > computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > t-4-2 > > > > > </span></span></span> Hello janis, Please, don't take it as being offending. I DID NOT mean it that way.I truly was confused about the issue. I always thought I had to leave the computer on if I want to do scanning in the wee hour of the night. That's all. If I had hurt your feeling, I apologize, sincerely. -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 11, 2008 Posted May 11, 2008 Thanks for the insight I really appreciate it. I will try using the sleep mode from now on. "Rojo Habe" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Try using Sleep instead of Hibernate. This keeps the RAM and processor > going in a low power state but shuts down pretty much everything else, > including the hard drives, fans and all lights on the machine so that it > looks like it's off. It does everything that Hibernate does (dumps the > contents of memory to the hard drive) so it's safe in case there's a power > cut, but it resumes A LOT faster, and is able to wake up to perform > scheduled tasks. > > I've got a bit of a problem with Defender at the moment, so it's still not > running a scan, but I do know Windows Update is running every morning at 3AM > without problems. > > > "janis75" <janis75@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:51C842FC-F865-4726-989F-0EEE650EABD0@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > okay obviously I came across as a complete moron so I guess I didn't > > state the isue the right way. > > > > I understand that normally a computer would have to be on in order for it > > to > > do certain things however, I am new to Vista so I didn't know if it could > > do > > anyting special like that. > > > > just a question is all.......as I said I was just looking for direction > > because Vista is new to me. > > > > > > "t-4-2" wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> > >> janis75;707654 Wrote: > >> > this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have > >> > both > >> > my > >> > windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > >> > computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into > >> > hibernation > >> > when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like > >> > either > >> > one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually > >> > do a > >> > complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me > >> > that my > >> > computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had > >> > everything > >> > set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody > >> > have > >> > any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other > >> > computer I > >> > have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to > >> > do. > >> > Please help > >> Hello janis, > >> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > >> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> t-4-2 > >> </span></span> > > </span> Quote
Guest C.B. Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:c81df611494ced63e9097c6b51f18bb2@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > janis75;707654 Wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both >> my >> windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my >> computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into >> hibernation >> when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like >> either >> one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually >> do a >> complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me >> that my >> computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had >> everything >> set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody >> have >> any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other >> computer I >> have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to >> do. >> Please help</span> > Hello janis, > Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > > > -- > t-4-2</span> No. C.B. Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Hello t-4-2 I apologize then as well. I guess I shouldn't have been so quick to jump the gun and assume that you were trying to be offending in any way. I have been told to put the computer in sleep mode to make sure that the scanning will take place. However I am afraid that it will overheat itself. I may just try to do my scanning when I fire up my computer at least that way I won't have to worry about all this stuff. Thanks for the help though and again I am sorry for the mis-communication earlier. "t-4-2" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > janis75;708544 Wrote: <span style="color:green"> > > okay obviously I came across as a complete moron so I guess I > > didn't > > state the isue the right way. > > > > I understand that normally a computer would have to be on in order for > > it to > > do certain things however, I am new to Vista so I didn't know if it > > could do > > anyting special like that. > > > > just a question is all.......as I said I was just looking for direction > > because Vista is new to me. > > > > > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > janis75;707654 Wrote: > > > > Hello janis, > > > > Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > > > > computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > t-4-2 > > > > > > </span></span> > Hello janis, > Please, don't take it as being offending. I DID NOT mean it that way.I > truly was confused about the issue. I always thought I had to leave the > computer on if I want to do scanning in the wee hour of the night. > That's all. If I had hurt your feeling, I apologize, sincerely. > > > -- > t-4-2 > </span> Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 janis75;709462 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hello t-4-2 > > I apologize then as well. I guess I shouldn't have been so quick to > jump the > gun and assume that you were trying to be offending in any way. > > I have been told to put the computer in sleep mode to make sure that > the > scanning will take place. However I am afraid that it will overheat > itself. I > may just try to do my scanning when I fire up my computer at least that > way I > won't have to worry about all this stuff. Thanks for the help though > and > again I am sorry for the mis-communication earlier. > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > janis75;708544 Wrote: > > > Hello janis, > > > Please, don't take it as being offending. I DID NOT mean it that</span> > > way.I<span style="color:darkred"> > > > truly was confused about the issue. I always thought I had to leave</span> > > the<span style="color:darkred"> > > > computer on if I want to do scanning in the wee hour of the night. > > > That's all. If I had hurt your feeling, I apologize, sincerely. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > t-4-2 > > > > > </span></span></span> Hello janis, I'm GLAD that we have cleared the cloud of misunderstanding. Back to the question you asked in your original post. You Have to leave the computer on if you want it to do scanning . Sleep mode won't do. Please see the screenshot of the question I asked and the answer from Brink, one of our moderators. Screenshot link below : - 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' (http://imagegrotto.com/view-scan11067.JPG) -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 Hello again t-4-2, I appreciate the insight again. As I said I may just make it a point to go ahead and run my own scans everyday for these things. At least then I know it will get done without any hesitation. In a worse case scenerio I wait a week to do a scan, I definately wouldn't wait that long but just figuring worse case scenerio. Are you running Vista? What are some quirks that I may experience? I have always used XP so I am not sure what to expect with Vista. So far I guess it has been decent but I don't really do anything all that involved on my computer anyway.......just schoolwork. Any pointers or warnings or whatever you can offer would be much appreciated. Thanks Janis "t-4-2" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > janis75;709462 Wrote: <span style="color:green"> > > Hello t-4-2 > > > > I apologize then as well. I guess I shouldn't have been so quick to > > jump the > > gun and assume that you were trying to be offending in any way. > > > > I have been told to put the computer in sleep mode to make sure that > > the > > scanning will take place. However I am afraid that it will overheat > > itself. I > > may just try to do my scanning when I fire up my computer at least that > > way I > > won't have to worry about all this stuff. Thanks for the help though > > and > > again I am sorry for the mis-communication earlier. > > > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > janis75;708544 Wrote: > > > > Hello janis, > > > > Please, don't take it as being offending. I DID NOT mean it that > > > way.I > > > > truly was confused about the issue. I always thought I had to leave > > > the > > > > computer on if I want to do scanning in the wee hour of the night. > > > > That's all. If I had hurt your feeling, I apologize, sincerely. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > t-4-2 > > > > > > </span></span> > Hello janis, > I'm GLAD that we have cleared the cloud of misunderstanding. > Back to the question you asked in your original post. You Have to leave > the computer on if you want it to do scanning . Sleep mode won't do. > Please see the screenshot of the question I asked and the answer from > Brink, one of our moderators. Screenshot link below : - > > 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' > (http://imagegrotto.com/view-scan11067.JPG) > > > -- > t-4-2 > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 This may depend on exactly what is meant by "on" or "off". Electronic gadgets are seldom really off. Check Vista's help FAQ entry for "When should I shut down my computer?" In help, use search term "turn off" and the first thing should be the FAQ. It's about halfway down. "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message news:BB7E5D7F-F46D-40B5-81C6-F9D6914A9504@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > > "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message > news:c81df611494ced63e9097c6b51f18bb2@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> janis75;707654 Wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have both >>> my >>> windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my >>> computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into >>> hibernation >>> when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like >>> either >>> one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually >>> do a >>> complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me >>> that my >>> computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had >>> everything >>> set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody >>> have >>> any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other >>> computer I >>> have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to >>> do. >>> Please help</span> >> Hello janis, >> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the >> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? >> >> >> -- >> t-4-2</span> > > No. > > C.B.</span> Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 12, 2008 Posted May 12, 2008 janis75;709775 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hello again t-4-2, > > I appreciate the insight again. As I said I may just make it a point to > go > ahead and run my own scans everyday for these things. At least then I > know it > will get done without any hesitation. In a worse case scenerio I wait a > week > to do a scan, I definately wouldn't wait that long but just figuring > worse > case scenerio. > > Are you running Vista? What are some quirks that I may experience? I > have > always used XP so I am not sure what to expect with Vista. So far I > guess it > has been decent but I don't really do anything all that involved on my > computer anyway.......just schoolwork. > > Any pointers or warnings or whatever you can offer would be much > appreciated. > > Thanks > Janis > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > janis75;709462 Wrote: > > > Hello janis, > > > I'm GLAD that we have cleared the cloud of misunderstanding. > > > Back to the question you asked in your original post. You Have to</span> > > leave<span style="color:darkred"> > > > the computer on if you want it to do scanning . Sleep mode won't do. > > > Please see the screenshot of the question I asked and the answer from > > > Brink, one of our moderators. Screenshot link below : - > > > > > > 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' > > > ('ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting'</span> > > (http://imagegrotto.com/view-scan11067.JPG))<span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > t-4-2 > > > > > </span></span></span> Hello janis, When it comes to scheduled scanning, you have the control. By that I mean if you do not want to leave your computer ON at 2 a.m. in order to do scanning, then why won't you schedule the scanning at a time you are Always home? Of course you'll have to "train" yourself to turn on the computer prior to the scheduled time. You might miss a day or 2, big deal! As to vista, I'm the opposite. I never have an XP. From what I understand, with XP you are pretty much your own boss. In vista, you'll be dealing with UAC ( user account controls) a lot of time. It will ask you to confirm the action you want, and sometimes you'll even get "Access Denied " message, and if you are on user account, certain actions you take will require administrator's password in order to proceed. Some people are quite upset about such hinderance, particularly when they had a free hand with XP. UAC is supposed to keep you from doing something "stipud" by asking you to "think about it one more time, before you are sorry." People will tell you to set up an administrator account but use it only on "administrative duties", and set up an user account to do you daily chore. Lastly, time and time again, there were people asking for help because they forgot their administrator's password and they couldn't login for "administrative duties", or worst that was their only account and therefore they had no access to their own computers. You will definitely have people advising you NOT to use your date-of-birth, your name etc as password. My question is if this is your computer for home use, what's the big deal?? You are not working for CIA, FBI or NSA, are you? You are not an accountant of some organised crime family, are you?? Let's not be melodramatic. I'm a rebel in heart. I always want to "buck" the norm. Any questions in the future, I'm here to give my best. -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 T-4-2, By the way......what is your real name or should I just keep addressing you as t-4-2? I have been talking to you but feel weird using that title. If it is okay with you then I guess I will keep doing it that way however, I just thought I would ask. Okay.....not to computer savvy so please tell me how to set that up. From the way I'm understanding it and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing that the purpose of setting up this administrative account thing is so that I can specifically do things like scanning? Is that right? does it help to have two different accounts? I really don't do anything special as far as the CIA, FBI and NSA are concerened so I am good there. As far as being an accountant for the "family" alas they felt I was to "pushy", so I am out! Just kidding to anyone who reads that statement!!! But seriously as I said I am simply using my computer to take online college courses, so I am not involved in anything to involved. Thank you for the extension of the offer to help......I may just take you up on that! I guess after reading this post do you think it is wise for me to set up another account as an administrator? If yes, I will looking for direction. Thanks! Kindly, Janis "t-4-2" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > janis75;709775 Wrote: <span style="color:green"> > > Hello again t-4-2, > > > > I appreciate the insight again. As I said I may just make it a point to > > go > > ahead and run my own scans everyday for these things. At least then I > > know it > > will get done without any hesitation. In a worse case scenerio I wait a > > week > > to do a scan, I definately wouldn't wait that long but just figuring > > worse > > case scenerio. > > > > Are you running Vista? What are some quirks that I may experience? I > > have > > always used XP so I am not sure what to expect with Vista. So far I > > guess it > > has been decent but I don't really do anything all that involved on my > > computer anyway.......just schoolwork. > > > > Any pointers or warnings or whatever you can offer would be much > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Janis > > > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > janis75;709462 Wrote: > > > > Hello janis, > > > > I'm GLAD that we have cleared the cloud of misunderstanding. > > > > Back to the question you asked in your original post. You Have to > > > leave > > > > the computer on if you want it to do scanning . Sleep mode won't do. > > > > Please see the screenshot of the question I asked and the answer from > > > > Brink, one of our moderators. Screenshot link below : - > > > > > > > > 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' > > > > ('ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' > > > (http://imagegrotto.com/view-scan11067.JPG)) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > t-4-2 > > > > > > </span></span> > Hello janis, > When it comes to scheduled scanning, you have the control. By that I > mean if you do not want to leave your computer ON at 2 a.m. in order to > do scanning, then why won't you schedule the scanning at a time you are > Always home? Of course you'll have to "train" yourself to turn on the > computer prior to the scheduled time. You might miss a day or 2, big > deal! > As to vista, I'm the opposite. I never have an XP. From what I > understand, with XP you are pretty much your own boss. In vista, you'll > be dealing with UAC ( user account controls) a lot of time. It will ask > you to confirm the action you want, and sometimes you'll even get > "Access Denied " message, and if you are on user account, certain > actions you take will require administrator's password in order to > proceed. Some people are quite upset about such hinderance, particularly > when they had a free hand with XP. UAC is supposed to keep you from > doing something "stipud" by asking you to "think about it one more time, > before you are sorry." People will tell you to set up an administrator > account but use it only on "administrative duties", and set up an user > account to do you daily chore. Lastly, time and time again, there were > people asking for help because they forgot their administrator's > password and they couldn't login for "administrative duties", or worst > that was their only account and therefore they had no access to their > own computers. You will definitely have people advising you NOT to use > your date-of-birth, your name etc as password. My question is if this is > your computer for home use, what's the big deal?? You are not working > for CIA, FBI or NSA, are you? You are not an accountant of some > organised crime family, are you?? Let's not be melodramatic. I'm a rebel > in heart. I always want to "buck" the norm. Any questions in the future, > I'm here to give my best. > > > -- > t-4-2 > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Here's another excerpted from the help system for the management console. You can also set a condition that tells the task to wake the computer from sleep mode to run the task when the trigger is activated. Before you set the condition to wake the computer to run the task, ensure that the task will not cause the computer to wake at inconvenient times. "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:OCnTAPGtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > This may depend on exactly what is meant by "on" > or "off". Electronic gadgets are seldom really off. > > Check Vista's help FAQ entry for "When should I > shut down my computer?" > > In help, use search term "turn off" and the first thing > should be the FAQ. It's about halfway down. > > > "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message > news:BB7E5D7F-F46D-40B5-81C6-F9D6914A9504@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> >> >> "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message >> news:c81df611494ced63e9097c6b51f18bb2@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> janis75;707654 Wrote: >>>> this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have >>>> both >>>> my >>>> windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my >>>> computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into >>>> hibernation >>>> when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like >>>> either >>>> one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually >>>> do a >>>> complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me >>>> that my >>>> computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had >>>> everything >>>> set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody >>>> have >>>> any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other >>>> computer I >>>> have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to >>>> do. >>>> Please help >>> Hello janis, >>> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the >>> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> t-4-2</span> >> >> No. >> >> C.B.</span> > </span> Quote
Guest janis75 Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 how do I do that? "FromTheRafters" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Here's another excerpted from the help system for the > management console. > > > You can also set a condition that tells the task to wake the computer from > sleep mode to run the task when the trigger is activated. Before you set the > condition to wake the computer to run the task, ensure that the task will > not cause the computer to wake at inconvenient times. > > > > "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message > news:OCnTAPGtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> > > This may depend on exactly what is meant by "on" > > or "off". Electronic gadgets are seldom really off. > > > > Check Vista's help FAQ entry for "When should I > > shut down my computer?" > > > > In help, use search term "turn off" and the first thing > > should be the FAQ. It's about halfway down. > > > > > > "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message > > news:BB7E5D7F-F46D-40B5-81C6-F9D6914A9504@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> > >> > >> > >> "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message > >> news:c81df611494ced63e9097c6b51f18bb2@nntp-gateway.com... > >>> > >>> janis75;707654 Wrote: > >>>> this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have > >>>> both > >>>> my > >>>> windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan my > >>>> computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into > >>>> hibernation > >>>> when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem like > >>>> either > >>>> one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I actually > >>>> do a > >>>> complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me > >>>> that my > >>>> computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had > >>>> everything > >>>> set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does anybody > >>>> have > >>>> any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other > >>>> computer I > >>>> have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up to > >>>> do. > >>>> Please help > >>> Hello janis, > >>> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the > >>> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> t-4-2 > >> > >> No. > >> > >> C.B.</span> > > </span> > > </span> Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 janis75;710340 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > T-4-2, > > By the way......what is your real name or should I just keep addressing > you > as t-4-2? I have been talking to you but feel weird using that title. > If it > is okay with you then I guess I will keep doing it that way however, I > just > thought I would ask. > > Okay.....not to computer savvy so please tell me how to set that up. > From > the way I'm understanding it and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm > guessing > that the purpose of setting up this administrative account thing is so > that I > can specifically do things like scanning? Is that right? does it help > to have > two different accounts? > > I really don't do anything special as far as the CIA, FBI and NSA are > concerened so I am good there. As far as being an accountant for the > "family" > alas they felt I was to "pushy", so I am out! Just kidding to anyone > who > reads that statement!!! But seriously as I said I am simply using my > computer > to take online college courses, so I am not involved in anything to > involved. > > Thank you for the extension of the offer to help......I may just take > you up > on that! I guess after reading this post do you think it is wise for me > to > set up another account as an administrator? If yes, I will looking for > direction. > > Thanks! > Kindly, > Janis > > "t-4-2" wrote:<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > > > > > > > > > > janis75;709775 Wrote: > > > Hello janis, > > > When it comes to scheduled scanning, you have the control. By that I > > > mean if you do not want to leave your computer ON at 2 a.m. in order</span> > > to<span style="color:darkred"> > > > do scanning, then why won't you schedule the scanning at a time you</span> > > are<span style="color:darkred"> > > > Always home? Of course you'll have to "train" yourself to turn on the > > > computer prior to the scheduled time. You might miss a day or 2, big > > > deal! > > > As to vista, I'm the opposite. I never have an XP. From what I > > > understand, with XP you are pretty much your own boss. In vista,</span> > > you'll<span style="color:darkred"> > > > be dealing with UAC ( user account controls) a lot of time. It will</span> > > ask<span style="color:darkred"> > > > you to confirm the action you want, and sometimes you'll even get > > > "Access Denied " message, and if you are on user account, certain > > > actions you take will require administrator's password in order to > > > proceed. Some people are quite upset about such hinderance,</span> > > particularly<span style="color:darkred"> > > > when they had a free hand with XP. UAC is supposed to keep you from > > > doing something "stipud" by asking you to "think about it one more</span> > > time,<span style="color:darkred"> > > > before you are sorry." People will tell you to set up an</span> > > administrator<span style="color:darkred"> > > > account but use it only on "administrative duties", and set up an</span> > > user<span style="color:darkred"> > > > account to do you daily chore. Lastly, time and time again, there</span> > > were<span style="color:darkred"> > > > people asking for help because they forgot their administrator's > > > password and they couldn't login for "administrative duties", or</span> > > worst<span style="color:darkred"> > > > that was their only account and therefore they had no access to their > > > own computers. You will definitely have people advising you NOT to</span> > > use<span style="color:darkred"> > > > your date-of-birth, your name etc as password. My question is if this</span> > > is<span style="color:darkred"> > > > your computer for home use, what's the big deal?? You are not working > > > for CIA, FBI or NSA, are you? You are not an accountant of some > > > organised crime family, are you?? Let's not be melodramatic. I'm a</span> > > rebel<span style="color:darkred"> > > > in heart. I always want to "buck" the norm. Any questions in the</span> > > future,<span style="color:darkred"> > > > I'm here to give my best. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > t-4-2 > > > > > </span></span></span> Hello janis, I'll stick to t-4-2 , for now. This will help you understanding "user accounts" and many other windows basics. 1. bottom left corner, there is a round logo. That is the START button, click that. 2. you are looking at the Start menu. Right panel, look for Help And Support, click that. 3.click Table of Contents, click Getting Started, click User Accounts & Settings. Now just click whatever topic you want to read under that heading, including Administrator account. Spend some time reading all that are in the Table of Contents. That's it for now. Like I said , any question just ask. I'm no expert, soon you'll find out I can't answer all your questions. -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted May 13, 2008 Posted May 13, 2008 Sorry, I wasn't trying to help really. style_emoticons/) I was replying to some who responded to you in order to get clarification of their apparent position that Vista was incapable of waking for scheduled tasks. ....and that there really was such a thing as "off" these days. Start orb control panel hardware and sound power options choose what power button does and/or choose what closing the lid does remove "hibernate" from the choices because hibernate is too close to off (really off - if there is such a thing anymore) for scheduled tasks to run by "waking" the computer (from sleep). I'm assuming here that Vista is capable of "waking" from its hybrid sleep mode. My knowledge of this comes only from the "help" feature on my Vista laptop which I was referencing in my posts. aside - It still seems awkward trying to find information in Vista. "janis75" <janis75@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AB55FF64-35E4-4324-955E-B5E86EAB0EF9@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > how do I do that? > > "FromTheRafters" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Here's another excerpted from the help system for the >> management console. >> >> >> You can also set a condition that tells the task to wake the computer >> from >> sleep mode to run the task when the trigger is activated. Before you set >> the >> condition to wake the computer to run the task, ensure that the task will >> not cause the computer to wake at inconvenient times. >> >> >> >> "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:OCnTAPGtIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > This may depend on exactly what is meant by "on" >> > or "off". Electronic gadgets are seldom really off. >> > >> > Check Vista's help FAQ entry for "When should I >> > shut down my computer?" >> > >> > In help, use search term "turn off" and the first thing >> > should be the FAQ. It's about halfway down. >> > >> > >> > "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message >> > news:BB7E5D7F-F46D-40B5-81C6-F9D6914A9504@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message >> >> news:c81df611494ced63e9097c6b51f18bb2@nntp-gateway.com... >> >>> >> >>> janis75;707654 Wrote: >> >>>> this may seem like a weird question / situation whatever but I have >> >>>> both >> >>>> my >> >>>> windows defender and my anti-virus program set to automatically scan >> >>>> my >> >>>> computer at 2 am on a daily basis. I usually put my computer into >> >>>> hibernation >> >>>> when I am done working on it and for some reason it doesn't seem >> >>>> like >> >>>> either >> >>>> one of these programs is doing what it should be doing. If I >> >>>> actually >> >>>> do a >> >>>> complete shutdown on my computer then after I restart it it tells me >> >>>> that my >> >>>> computer hasn't been scanned in x amount of days. I thought I had >> >>>> everything >> >>>> set up correctly but I guess I may be missing something. Does >> >>>> anybody >> >>>> have >> >>>> any suggestions? I have never had an issue like this. Every other >> >>>> computer I >> >>>> have had things worked and scanned just fine like they were set up >> >>>> to >> >>>> do. >> >>>> Please help >> >>> Hello janis, >> >>> Maybe I am the one missing something. I always thought the >> >>> computer had to be ON before scanning could be executed. Am I wrong ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> t-4-2 >> >> >> >> No. >> >> >> >> C.B. >> ></span> >> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Rojo Habe Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:uwfiT3TtIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Sorry, I wasn't trying to help really. style_emoticons/) > > > I'm assuming here that Vista is capable of "waking" > from its hybrid sleep mode. ></span> All this has got me wondering, so I've just edited my Windows Defender scan task to wake the computer (it's scheduled for 0200 and has never run at that time). I'll make sure I put the computer into Sleep mode tonight and post back here tomorrow to let you know if the task ran. I do have logs in my Event Viewer that Windows Update has been running at 3AM but I've never been around to see it happen. ....and I can't find a scheduled task for Windows Update so some other process or service must control that. Quote
Guest t-4-2 Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 Rojo Habe;712947 Wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message > news:uwfiT3TtIHA.524@xxxxxx> > > <span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > > > Sorry, I wasn't trying to help really. style_emoticons/) > > > > > > > > > I'm assuming here that Vista is capable of "waking" > > > from its hybrid sleep mode. > > > > > </span></span> > > All this has got me wondering, so I've just edited my Windows > Defender scan > task to wake the computer (it's scheduled for 0200 and has never run > at that > time). I'll make sure I put the computer into Sleep mode tonight and > post > back here tomorrow to let you know if the task ran. > > I do have logs in my Event Viewer that Windows Update has been > running at > 3AM but I've never been around to see it happen. > > ....and I can't find a scheduled task for Windows Update so some > other > process or service must control that.</span> Hello Rojo, See screenshot link. It apparently applies to windows updates, but nothing else. 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' (http://imagegrotto.com/view-autoupdate11435.JPG) -- t-4-2 Quote
Guest Rojo Habe Posted May 16, 2008 Posted May 16, 2008 "t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message news:a398dd10cc5f28c9a520f69c3ab3fbc2@nntp-gateway.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > Rojo Habe;712947 Wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> "FromTheRafters" <Erratic@xxxxxx> wrote in message >> news:uwfiT3TtIHA.524@xxxxxx> > ><span style="color:darkred"> >> > > Sorry, I wasn't trying to help really. style_emoticons/) >> > > >> > > >> > > I'm assuming here that Vista is capable of "waking" >> > > from its hybrid sleep mode. >> > > > ></span> >> >> All this has got me wondering, so I've just edited my Windows >> Defender scan >> task to wake the computer (it's scheduled for 0200 and has never run >> at that >> time). I'll make sure I put the computer into Sleep mode tonight and >> post >> back here tomorrow to let you know if the task ran. >> >> I do have logs in my Event Viewer that Windows Update has been >> running at >> 3AM but I've never been around to see it happen. >> >> ....and I can't find a scheduled task for Windows Update so some >> other >> process or service must control that.</span> > Hello Rojo, > See screenshot link. It apparently applies to windows updates, but > nothing else. > > 'ImageGrotto: Free Image and Screenshot Hosting' > (http://imagegrotto.com/view-autoupdate11435.JPG) > > > -- > t-4-2</span> I can now confirm that if you schedule a task and tick the box that says "Wake the computer to run this task", the computer will indeed wake out of Sleep mode. Your screenshot implies that this ought to work for Hibernate too. I'll try and remember to try this tonight, and post back here tomorrow. Of course, in Hibernate mode the computer is powered off, so I'm guessing that for this to work your BIOS has to be capable of doing it. Quote
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