Guest jim Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. As reported on CNET (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital converter. That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work for less than a year without the new digital signal converters. Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on people's PCs. jim Quote
Guest Mark H Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is not digital ready. If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and the TVs are a lot cheaper. "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:blue"> > As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right</span> out<span style="color:blue"> > of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the</span> tone<span style="color:blue"> > for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's > $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). > > Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are > set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy > treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. > > As reported on CNET > (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy</span> has<span style="color:blue"> > been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for</span> the<span style="color:blue"> > February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions > without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets</span> will<span style="color:blue"> > not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital > converter. > > That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work</span> for<span style="color:blue"> > less than a year without the new digital signal converters. > > Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on > people's PCs. > > jim > ></span> Quote
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:blue"> > As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right > out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets > the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that > Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). > > Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are > set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy > treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. > > As reported on CNET > (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy > has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready > for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) > televisions without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that > the sets will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an > additional digital converter. > > That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work > for less than a year without the new digital signal converters. > > Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on > people's PCs. > > jim ></span> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs second to making money.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...whelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx Quote
Guest Joseph Meehan Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:blue"> > > As reported on CNET > (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy > has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready > for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) > televisions without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that > the sets will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an > additional digital converter. > > That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work > for less than a year without the new digital signal converters. ></span> Actually it indicates how inaccurate CNET or someone who may have edited their report may be. Those TVs will still function and only those who rely on antenna signals, not those who are getting dish or cable who will have no problems. -- Joseph Meehan Dia 's Muire duit Quote
Guest john Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs > will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major > computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs > second to making money.. ></span> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. Quote
Guest Colin Barnhorst Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required. "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is > not > digital ready. > > If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and > the > TVs are a lot cheaper. > > > "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message > news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:green"> >> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right</span> > out<span style="color:green"> >> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the</span> > tone<span style="color:green"> >> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's >> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). >> >> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are >> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy >> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. >> >> As reported on CNET >> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy</span> > has<span style="color:green"> >> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for</span> > the<span style="color:green"> >> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) >> televisions >> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets</span> > will<span style="color:green"> >> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital >> converter. >> >> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work</span> > for<span style="color:green"> >> less than a year without the new digital signal converters. >> >> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on >> people's PCs. >> >> jim >> >></span> > > </span> Quote
Guest jim Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Of course you are right, but why wouldn't Best Buy tell their customers this? "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with > over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required. > > "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message > news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is >> not >> digital ready. >> >> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and >> the >> TVs are a lot cheaper. >> >> >> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message >> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right</span> >> out<span style="color:darkred"> >>> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the</span> >> tone<span style="color:darkred"> >>> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's >>> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). >>> >>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations >>> are >>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy >>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. >>> >>> As reported on CNET >>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy</span> >> has<span style="color:darkred"> >>> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for</span> >> the<span style="color:darkred"> >>> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) >>> televisions >>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets</span> >> will<span style="color:darkred"> >>> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital >>> converter. >>> >>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work</span> >> for<span style="color:darkred"> >>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters. >>> >>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on >>> people's PCs. >>> >>> jim >>> >>></span> >> >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs >> second to making money.. >></span> > > exactly, same goes for Microsoft. > ></span> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...whelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx Quote
Guest john Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message > news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs >>> second to making money.. >>></span> >> >> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >> >></span> > > > And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..</span> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to the customer runs second to making money. Quote
Guest AJR Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 John - I'm confused regarding "...service to the customer runs second to making money. .." - what companies can you name whose sole purpose is NOT to "make money"? BTW - It is unfortunate that mose people have no other recourse then to use Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. for advice and service . "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs >>>> second to making money.. >>>> >>> >>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >>> >>></span> >> >> >> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..</span> > > glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to > the customer runs second to making money. > </span> Quote
Guest Mike Hall - MVP Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message > news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer runs >>>> second to making money.. >>>> >>> >>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >>> >>></span> >> >> >> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..</span> > > glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to > the customer runs second to making money. ></span> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development, nada.. Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises.. Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine.. -- Mike Hall - MVP How to construct a good post.. http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups.. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...whelp&style=toc Mike's Window - My Blog.. http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx Quote
Guest Synapse Syndrome Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with > over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> I don't know about what you call these in America, but we do not call them converter boxes. They are digital terrestrial receivers, as these analogue TVs just lack digital tuners. ss. Quote
Guest Tim Slattery Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception might not do so well with digital signals. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...d=moreheadlines -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(Shell/User) Slattery_T@bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt Quote
Guest john Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer >>>>> runs second to making money.. >>>>> >>>> >>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money..</span> >> >> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to >> the customer runs second to making money. >></span> > > > Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development, > nada.. > > Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises.. > > Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..</span> you took my statement and added "And..." that generally means in addition to. sounded like an agreement to me. Quote
Guest Adam Albright Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" <john@msn.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > >"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the TVs >>>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer >>>>>> runs second to making money.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money.. >>> >>> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service to >>> the customer runs second to making money. >>></span> >> >> >> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development, >> nada.. >> >> Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises.. >> >> Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..</span> > >you took my statement and added "And..." >that generally means in addition to. >sounded like an agreement to me. ></span> Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said. Memo to Mike Hall: The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification, some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind. Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service, crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800 pound gorilla in the room. You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do. Quote
Guest Robert Pendell Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Tim Slattery wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: > <span style="color:green"> >> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> > > Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning > about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog > signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception > might not do so well with digital signals. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...d=moreheadlines > </span> It is that digital signals are more picky about the signal quality. You will need a higher signal strength to get a respectable digital signal otherwise you will get a pretty bad picture. -- Robert Pendell shinji@elite-systems.org "A perfect world is one of chaos." Thawte Web of Trust Notary CAcert Assurer Quote
Guest Robert Pendell Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 jim wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right out > of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the tone > for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's > $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). > > Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations are > set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy > treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. > > As reported on CNET > (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy has > been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for the > February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) televisions > without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets will > not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital > converter. > > That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work for > less than a year without the new digital signal converters. > > Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on > people's PCs. > > jim > > </span> This applies to over the air signals only. If you use any other source for the signal then they are fine. -- Robert Pendell shinji@elite-systems.org "A perfect world is one of chaos." Thawte Web of Trust Notary CAcert Assurer Quote
Guest Robert Pendell Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Mike Hall - MVP wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message > news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the >>> TVs will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other >>> major computer stores have little integrity, and service to the >>> customer runs second to making money.. >>></span> >> >> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >> >></span> > > > And the people behind Linux Distros also make money.. > </span> Not all of them. -- Robert Pendell shinji@elite-systems.org "A perfect world is one of chaos." Thawte Web of Trust Notary CAcert Assurer Quote
Guest Jim Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >>The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >>over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> > > Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning > about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog > signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception > might not do so well with digital signals. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...d=moreheadlines > > -- > Tim Slattery > MS MVP(Shell/User) > Slattery_T@bls.gov > http://members.cox.net/slatteryt</span> Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that the digital signals are sharper and have better colors. Jim Quote
Guest Terry R. Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out on the keyboard: <span style="color:blue"> > "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message > news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> >> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> >> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning >> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog >> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception >> might not do so well with digital signals. >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...d=moreheadlines >> >> -- >> Tim Slattery >> MS MVP(Shell/User) >> Slattery_T@bls.gov >> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt</span> > Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my TV > receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I see is that > the digital signals are sharper and have better colors. > > Jim > > </span> Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not strong enough, you're out of luck. -- Terry R. Reply Note Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. Quote
Guest Bill Yanaire Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:asv534t007kbrt2vb04u1kga5eerckd2ee@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:32:22 -0400, "john" <john@msn.com> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> >>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>news:uywxy4ouIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23wwV8WouIHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OB8GRUouIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> "john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:eEuN3nnuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23gMUH1muIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Digital cable and satellite boxes will convert to analogue, so the >>>>>>> TVs >>>>>>> will still work, but you are right in that Best Buy and other major >>>>>>> computer stores have little integrity, and service to the customer >>>>>>> runs second to making money.. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> exactly, same goes for Microsoft. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And the people behind Linux Distros also make money.. >>>> >>>> glad to see you agree that Microsoft has little integrity and service >>>> to >>>> the customer runs second to making money. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Without the making of money, there would be no service, no development, >>> nada.. >>> >>> Linux is offered free on the back of other money making enterprises.. >>> >>> Do NOT accredit me with words that are not mine..</span> >> >>you took my statement and added "And..." >>that generally means in addition to. >>sounded like an agreement to me. >></span> > > Always fun to watch Mike Hall try to wiggle out of what he said. > > Memo to Mike Hall: > > The word 'and' is intended to indicate some connection or additions to > what was previously said. Often used to express logical modification, > some consequence or supplementary explanation to another. May be used > to form a conjunction, list more of the same or of a similar kind. > > Always amusing to see the Microsoft fateful exclude Microsoft from > what they admit are a laundry list of sins of other software > companies, software/hardware retailers etc., when everybody knows > Microsoft is the biggest offender when it comes to poor service, > crappy always buggy products and attempts to bully and be the 800 > pound gorilla in the room. > > You see Mike, that MVP badge you so love to flash around looks pretty > tarnished when you always excuse Microsoft no matter what pretending > they are guiltless, like a good little fanboy is suppose to do. ></span> Memo to Adam Albright: The word "retard" is reserved for our special child in this group and you just happen to fit that bill. You always love to put down everyone who doesn't agree with your views on Vista. That makes you look stupid in this group and you lose credibility every time you post. Pretty soon, most people will killfile your sorry ass and you will look more like the fool you already are. Take the "and" and shove it where the sun DON'T shine. Now go see if you can get a T1 line so you can have bandwith for your EGO. Quote
Guest Bob I Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Terry R. wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > The date and time was 5/20/2008 10:32 AM, and on a whim, Jim pounded out > on the keyboard: > <span style="color:green"> >> "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message >> news:47u5341jo4viirjaq75bmub44kd1sjbb16@4ax.com... >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>>> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >>>> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required. >>> >>> Yes but....there's an article in the Washington Post this morning >>> about how the digital over-the-air signals are not as robust as analog >>> signals. Somebody who gets acceptable over-the-air analog reception >>> might not do so well with digital signals. >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...d=moreheadlines >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Slattery >>> MS MVP(Shell/User) >>> Slattery_T@bls.gov >>> http://members.cox.net/slatteryt</span> >> >> Perhaps that is correct for some sets in some localities. However, my >> TV receives both analog and digital signals. The only difference I >> see is that >> the digital signals are sharper and have better colors. >> >> Jim >></span> > > Those living in the boonies will suffer the most probably. Since analog > gives varying degrees of quality, from lousy to good, digital will > either work or it won't. You won't "kind" of get a signal. If it's not > strong enough, you're out of luck. > </span> Yep, digital, ON/OFF, don't ya just love this new technology. <VBG> Quote
Guest Bill in Co. Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 To make more money on that inventory they will eventually need to dump? jim wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Of course you are right, but why wouldn't Best Buy tell their customers > this? > > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required. >> >> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is >>> not >>> digital ready. >>> >>> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and >>> the >>> TVs are a lot cheaper. >>> >>> >>> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message >>> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net... >>>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates >>>> right >>>> out of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets >>>> the tone for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that >>>> Microsoft's $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). >>>> >>>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations >>>> are >>>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best >>>> Buy >>>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. >>>> >>>> As reported on CNET >>>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best >>>> Buy >>>> has been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready >>>> for the February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) >>>> televisions >>>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets >>>> will not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional >>>> digital >>>> converter. >>>> >>>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work >>>> for >>>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters. >>>> >>>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on >>>> people's PCs. >>>> >>>> jim </span></span></span> Quote
Guest Bill in Co. Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Ahh, but see that would be too technical, for most of the Hollywood consumer set here. :-) I like that term digital terrestrial receivers MUCH better - at least it explains a bit better what it is (i.e., with the tuner for the new digital channels). Synapse Syndrome wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:7BF56597-8493-4E6E-B9D9-EA06038C1D16@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with >> over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required.</span> > > I don't know about what you call these in America, but we do not call them > converter boxes. They are digital terrestrial receivers, as these > analogue > TVs just lack digital tuners. > > ss. </span> Quote
Guest Bill in Co. Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 True enough. I wonder what % will be that way (receiving only local, over the air, broadcasts, having no cable or satellite). I'll hazard a guess: maybe 20% of the population? (I figure the overwhelming majority are on cable or satellite now, but I could be wrong) Colin Barnhorst wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > The converter boxes will allow analog sets to continue to work with > over-the-air tv. No satellite or cable is required. > > "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message > news:O9e3xzmuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Your TV will not work if you do not receive Satellite or Cable and it is >> not >> digital ready. >> >> If you currently receive Satellite or Cable, it will work just fine and >> the >> TVs are a lot cheaper. >> >> >> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message >> news:4OxYj.25248$C8.21645@bignews2.bellsouth.net...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> As you probably know, Geek Squad is owned by Best Buy and operates right >>> out >>> of their stores. So, it is reasonable to assume that Best Buy sets the >>> tone >>> for how Geek Squad operates (except for the influence that Microsoft's >>> $200,000,000 cash infusion gives them, of course). >>> >>> Seeing as how the tone for the overall Best Buy/Geek Squad operations >>> are >>> set by Best Buy, it would behoove people to take note as to how Best Buy >>> treats its customers before using the services of Geek Squad. >>> >>> As reported on CNET >>> (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9947410-7.html?tag=nefd.top), Best Buy >>> has >>> been selling customers old ANALOG (that means the TVs are not ready for >>> the >>> February 17, 2009 switch of ALL television to digital signals) >>> televisions >>> without the stickers MANDATED by the FCC that warn buyers that the sets >>> will >>> not work after February 17, 2009 without buying an additional digital >>> converter. >>> >>> That's nice. Screwing the public to dump old analog TVs that will work >>> for >>> less than a year without the new digital signal converters. >>> >>> Makes me wonder what old, out-of-date crap Geek Squad is installing on >>> people's PCs. >>> >>> jim </span></span></span> Quote
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