Should motive effect conviction?

[IgnoranceKills]

A 33 year old homeless man robs a liquor store. This man has a severe addiction to menthamphetamines. Another homeless man robs a liquor store just 3 blocks away in the same legal jurisdiction but he does it to feed his 12 year old son. Should the motive for the crime play any sort of roll in the conviction of the criminal. Does motive matter or is a robbery, a robbery plain and simple. When convicting a criminal of any crime, should the motive be taken into consideration?

[rizzo]

How can you prove motive? How can you prove that the other man robbed to feed his child?

 

Yes, I think that motive should be taken into consideration, but that can be a tricky thing to prove.

[phreakwars]

Give them both the fucking chair. If his 12 year old is hungry enough, he can simply turn his dad into the social services for neglecting him and depriving him of food.. that should get him a nice warm meal within a couple hours after doing so.

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[ImWithStupid]

A 33 year old homeless man robs a liquor store. This man has a severe addiction to menthamphetamines. Another homeless man robs a liquor store just 3 blocks away in the same legal jurisdiction but he does it to feed his 12 year old son. Should the motive for the crime play any sort of roll in the conviction of the criminal. Does motive matter or is a robbery, a robbery plain and simple. When convicting a criminal of any crime, should the motive be taken into consideration?

 

IMO, the motive rarely should be considered as part of a conviction. Either you prove they did the crime or you don't. I do believe, however, that motive may be taken into consideration at the time of sentencing.

[ImWithStupid]

I am glad to hear this from you. Any of my crew get into trouble they better do it where ever you live, that way I wont have to pay as many bribes.

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I came to this conclusion about ten years ago. In Texas a jury is able to set the sentace to a crime. The jury convicted a man of murder but only sentenced him to "time served" and a one dollar fine for killing the man who raped and murderd his daughter. That's where my perspective is coming from.

[Wurdy]

I've thought about this, funny to see it asked here. I've come to the conclusion that it's a good thing motive is considered in the commission of a crime. It at least shows there's something compassionate remaining of humanity. I wonder more about that than I do this question.

[smutt butt]

A 33 year old homeless man robs a liquor store. This man has a severe addiction to menthamphetamines. Another homeless man robs a liquor store just 3 blocks away in the same legal jurisdiction but he does it to feed his 12 year old son. Should the motive for the crime play any sort of roll in the conviction of the criminal. Does motive matter or is a robbery, a robbery plain and simple. When convicting a criminal of any crime, should the motive be taken into consideration?

NO. ......

[builder]

Of course it fucking should. Climb out from under that rock, SmuttButt.

 

Oh, that's right....you're a republican. We can't have all of the party you vote for being lumbered for all the shit they've done now, can we?

[Lethalfind]

I agree with Builder, and in the American legal system it does effect what happens to you.

 

I walk up to someone on the street and shoot them for the fun of it...I would probably get lethal injection here in Florida.

 

I shoot someone who is threatening me with a knife, I could get off completely for having shot someone.

[ImWithStupid]

I agree with Builder, and in the American legal system it does effect what happens to you.

 

I walk up to someone on the street and shoot them for the fun of it...I would probably get lethal injection here in Florida.

 

I shoot someone who is threatening me with a knife, I could get off completely for having shot someone.

 

Those two scenerios don't even relate. In one you commited murder, the other you acted in self defense.

[snafu]

Those two scenerios don't even relate. In one you commited murder, the other you acted in self defense.

 

Scratches head

Why on earth would she even equate the two?

The scenario would be like I just walked up and shot someone in the face for no reason. Or this guy raped my daughter; I jump into my car, find him and shoot him in the face. Do I get the same time?

 

You have a legal right to defened yourself with leathal force if you feel you, somone else or your property is in danger.

[Lethalfind]

I related the two because this thread is asking should motive effect how your convicted or not, the original mention was about robbing a store, one person was a junky robbing a store for drug money and the other was robbing a store to feed a hungry child, same crime different motive...just like what I posted...

[snafu]

I related the two because this thread is asking should motive effect how your convicted or not, the original mention was about robbing a store, one person was a junky robbing a store for drug money and the other was robbing a store to feed a hungry child, same crime different motive...just like what I posted...

Yeah but those are two crimes.

 

You said:

I shoot someone who is threatening me with a knife, I could get off completely for having shot someone.

Thats not a crime. That's self defense. What you think it's a crime becuse he had a knife and you had a gun? Think again. It don't matter.