In order to remove exectued malware, reinstall your operating system

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>

 

 

 

 

| Thank you for your reply, David. As I said earlier ...................

 

| "I read the Major Geeks thread '-jen' posted with interest. Perhaps the most

| pertinent point, IMO, made by the 'helper' - Chaslang' - was:-

 

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Please do NOT hijack someone else's thread.

Jen did not reply to this thread.

 

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Dave

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[Guest Root Kit]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:19:38 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

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>Adware is most definitely malware.</span>

 

It actually isn't. Get your facts right.

<span style="color:blue">

>You need to dig up Marco Guiliani's writeup on the Gromozon malware.</span>

 

You need to dig up a clue.

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com>

 

| On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:19:38 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

| <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

>>Adware is most definitely malware.</span></span>

 

| It actually isn't. Get your facts right.

<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

>>You need to dig up Marco Guiliani's writeup on the Gromozon malware.</span></span>

 

| You need to dig up a clue.

 

I don't need to.

I have read many articles and technical documents written by researchers and have directly

and indirectly examined many samples.

 

Adware is a class of malware. Actually a sub-class of Trojans.

 

Now if you tell me Adware LinkOptimizer is NOT malware, I must believe that you are

actually a malware proponent spreading FUD.

 

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Dave

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[Guest Root Kit]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:16:18 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

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>Now if you tell me Adware LinkOptimizer is NOT malware, I must believe that you are

>actually a malware proponent spreading FUD.</span>

 

Sure. And I must believe you are paid by the big security companies to

advocate malware removal nonsense.

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com>

 

| On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:16:18 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

| <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

>>Now if you tell me Adware LinkOptimizer is NOT malware, I must believe that you are

>>actually a malware proponent spreading FUD.</span></span>

 

| Sure. And I must believe you are paid by the big security companies to

| advocate malware removal nonsense.

 

 

 

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Dave

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[Guest Root Kit]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:38:00 GMT, Root Kit <b__nice@hotmail.com>

wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:16:18 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

><DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>>Now if you tell me Adware LinkOptimizer is NOT malware, I must believe that you are

>>actually a malware proponent spreading FUD.</span>

>

>Sure. And I must believe you are paid by the big security companies to

>advocate malware removal nonsense.</span>

 

BTW, as far as LinkOptimizer is concerned, it's a malware which (among

other things) happens to display advertisements. This does not make it

adware. You seem to have a problem focusing - which is a bit

disappointing considering your determination to be precise.

[Guest Thor Kottelin]

Whether adware is malware (was: In order to remove exectued malware, reinstall your operating system)

 

"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:19:38 -0400, "David H. Lipman"

> <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>>Adware is most definitely malware.</span>

>

> It actually isn't. Get your facts right.</span>

 

I agree with you. As an example, Windows Live Messenger is adware and

freeware, but not e.g. shareware or malware. Eudora can also be used in an

adware, freeware mode, or it can be paid for.

 

I do admit that several online resources confusingly categorize adware as

malware. Others, such as the Jargon file, Wikipedia and Wiktionary, make

the distinction.

 

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/A/adware.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/adware

 

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[Guest ~BD~]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message

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> From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>

>

> Please do NOT hijack someone else's thread.

> Jen did not reply to this thread.

>

> --

> Dave

> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

></span>

 

Point taken. Sorry. Please answer my questions though. I reiterate:-

 

Do you, personally, feel it unecessary to delete ones partitioning on a

single HD (thus

losing all data) before re-partitioning, formating and then reinstalling

from scratch?

 

Perhaps malware can remain resident in other areas inside a computer, not

just on the HD.

 

Is this possible? If so, where else could it hide ........ and for how long

after power curtailed?

 

Dave

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>

 

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| Point taken. Sorry. Please answer my questions though. I reiterate:-

 

| Do you, personally, feel it unecessary to delete ones partitioning on a

| single HD (thus

| losing all data) before re-partitioning, formating and then reinstalling

| from scratch?

 

| Perhaps malware can remain resident in other areas inside a computer, not

| just on the HD.

 

| Is this possible? If so, where else could it hide ........ and for how long

| after power curtailed?

 

| Dave

 

 

Create your own thread, fully explain your POV with supporting evidence and we'll see

where it takes us.

 

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[Guest ~BD~]

"Volodymyr M. Shcherbyna" <v_scherbina@online.mvps.org> wrote in message

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> Well, the best way to clean machine is to leave it in the right place, pay

> money and get it after some time cleaned and "cured". There are many ways

> of how to get rid of viruses. One of the way - debug machine using WinDbg

> kernel debuger, and with the help of it force the "bad" code to stop

> execution.

>

> Re-installation of OS is not the best solution.

>

> --

> V.</span>

 

You say "Re-installation of OS is not the best solution Volodymyr.

 

My question to you ................ Although maybe not the best solution

........... Will re-installation of OS always leave one with a totally

clean machine?

 

Did you note my comment to David Lipman? Viz:-

 

"Do you, personally, feel it unecessary to delete ones partitioning on a

single HD (thus losing all data) before re-partitioning, formating and then

reinstalling from scratch?

 

Perhaps malware can remain resident in other areas inside a computer, not

just on the HD.

 

Is this possible? If so, where else could it hide ........ and for how long

after power curtailed?"

 

I'd very much appreciate your view(s). TIA.

 

Dave