Guest ~BD~ Posted June 26, 2008 Posted June 26, 2008 "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your PC, however, these steps will help." So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525 Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by chaslang; 06-17-08 THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE! Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others ............. and for no other reason! I hope it helps! Dave Quote
Guest rjdriver Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware > problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of > infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is > no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your > PC, however, these steps will help." > > So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may > read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525 > > Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by > chaslang; 06-17-08 > > THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE! > > Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here > without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others > ............ and for no other reason! > > I hope it helps! > > Dave</span> I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed above is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise, easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about any of them. Good find Dave. Bob Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 "rjdriver" <rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message news:uHRApOE2IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message > news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware >> problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance >> of infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. >> There is no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting >> on your PC, however, these steps will help." >> >> So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may >> read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525 >> >> Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited >> by chaslang; 06-17-08 >> >> THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE! >> >> Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here >> without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others >> ............ and for no other reason! >> >> I hope it helps! >> >> Dave</span> > > > I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed > above is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. > Concise, easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are > many other good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread > the word about any of them. Good find Dave. > > Bob > ></span> Thanks for your support, Bob. Motion carried! style_emoticons/ Quote
Guest Root Kit Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver" <rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > I'll second that! </span> I most definately won't. <span style="color:blue"> >the Major Geeks forum post listed above >is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise, >easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other >good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about >any of them. Good find Dave.</span> It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense: Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for this, frequently scan for that.... Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and "Security starts with you" is found there. Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an "expert". Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Please don't feed the trolls. Root Kit wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver" > <rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote: > ><span style="color:green"> >> I'll second that!</span> > > I most definately won't. ><span style="color:green"> >> the Major Geeks forum post listed above >> is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise, >> easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other >> good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word >> about any of them. Good find Dave.</span> > > It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense: > > Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for > this, frequently scan for that.... > > Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and > "Security starts with you" is found there. > > Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware > Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware > infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an > "expert". </span> Quote
Guest Root Kit Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Please don't feed the trolls.</span> Pathetic..... But what can you expect from an MVP bragger.... Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" > <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >>Please don't feed the trolls.</span> > > Pathetic..... > > But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....</span> But he really is one of the good guys! It says so here: https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at AumHa. This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot understand the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste' from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. Dave PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his recommended 'help' sites ........... albeit on third base! Viz:- Suggested tertiary: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25 http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9 http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malware_Rem...o_Here-f37.html http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?showforum=170 http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130 http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17 http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5 http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18 http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27 http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7 http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/index.php?showforum=18 http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30 http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2 http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/ http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13 -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Root Kit Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > >"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" >> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >><span style="color:darkred"> >>>Please don't feed the trolls.</span> >> >> Pathetic..... >> >> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....</span> > > > >But he really is one of the good guys! It says so here: >https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E</span> Yes. I can see he says so, himself... According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999. I've been in the IT business more than twice as long. <span style="color:blue"> >I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at >AumHa. > >This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually >telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot understand >the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't >feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste' >from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too >much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. > >Dave > >PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his >recommended 'help' sites </span> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get well again soon. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 In line responses "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:76sb645p6rtcjbriq06ngnbkjcq063krdl@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> > wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> >>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" >>> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Please don't feed the trolls. >>> >>> Pathetic..... >>> >>> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....</span> >> >> >> >>But he really is one of the good guys! It says so here: >>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...6A-D04AAA41556E</span> > > Yes. I can see he says so, himself... > > According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman > and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.</span> I used to believe everything I read on-screen! <span style="color:blue"> > > I've been in the IT business more than twice as long. ></span> That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys! (but I perceive that you are! <grin>) Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously? <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at >>AumHa. >> >>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually >>telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot understand >>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't >>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste' >>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too >>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. >> >>Dave >> >>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his >>recommended 'help' sites</span> > > David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get > well again soon. ></span> Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do not give good advice and/or genuine help? Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!) Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine wasn't infected in the first place!). From what I have seen, the 'average' user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are really clean and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'! Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!! Dave Quote
Guest Root Kit Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >In line responses > >"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message <span style="color:green"> >> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long. >></span> > >That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys! </span> You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and learn to think for yourself. Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad. I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real security. <span style="color:blue"> >(but I perceive that you are! <grin>)</span> Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though. Such accusations are just laughable. <span style="color:blue"> >Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have >not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come >here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?</span> I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling" posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>>I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at >>>AumHa. >>> >>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually >>>telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot understand >>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't >>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste' >>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too >>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. >>> >>>Dave >>> >>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his >>>recommended 'help' sites</span> >> >> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get >> well again soon. >></span> > > >Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do >not give good advice and/or genuine help? </span> I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in my opinions. <span style="color:blue"> >Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into >showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!) > >Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users >machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine >wasn't infected in the first place!). </span> Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.) <span style="color:blue"> >From what I have seen, the 'average' >user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are really clean >and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!</span> Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom removed. BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a market for anti-crap at all. <span style="color:blue"> >Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!</span> Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you might learn something. Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 RootKit wrote: <snip><span style="color:blue"> > According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman > and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999. > > I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.</span> So what? Many Geek Squad employees and admins have been "in the IT business" longer than either of us, I'm sure: Geek Squad Soaks Your Computer, Blames You: http://consumerist.com/378522/geek-squad-s...uter-blames-you Top Geek Squad Stories To Date: http://consumerist.com/consumer/roundups/t...date-257316.php LEAKED: 6 More Geek Squad Manuals: http://consumerist.com/consumer/geek-squad...uals-249910.php I have a very successful IT consulting business but I choose not to brag about it. My work speaks for itself. The fact that ~BD~ comes to my defense despite our many /contretemps/ in the past speaks even louder of my capabilities. PS: You've got a truly bizarre posting history, RootKit (AKA Straight Talk), a history that your use of "archive/no" can't hide. -- ~PA Bear Quote
Guest Dan Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 Ah, I think this may be the same b_nice that was rude to me as well in the past. You have my support, Robear. However, I would like to see b_nice prove to us that his expertise are beyond everyone else's expertise. So b_nice did you start working with computers when BASIC was new or before that and what programs and coding are you familiar with? Do you know C++, Fortran, COBOL, etc. In addition, how proficient are you with cryptography and how high a level of encryption can you break. Have you managed to crack through a 128 bit cipher strength and how about 256 bit AES encryption bit or 448 bit Blowfish encryption. Please enlighten us all to how brilliant you are. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted July 10, 2008 Posted July 10, 2008 "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:m99c649e22q7r3nvdjrel8gb6pm36rlbas@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> > wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >>In line responses >> >>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message<span style="color:darkred"> >>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long. >>></span> >> >>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!</span> > > You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and > learn to think for yourself. > > Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad. > I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't > mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer > security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a > hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect > instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You > just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place > does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real > security. ><span style="color:green"> >>(but I perceive that you are! <grin>)</span> > > Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black > hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of > having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and > products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though. > Such accusations are just laughable. ><span style="color:green"> >>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have >>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come >>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?</span> > > I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you > can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the > often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling" > posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who > can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out. ><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>>>I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at >>>>AumHa. >>>> >>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually >>>>telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot >>>>understand >>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please >>>>don't >>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and >>>>paste' >>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take >>>>too >>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. >>>> >>>>Dave >>>> >>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his >>>>recommended 'help' sites >>> >>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get >>> well again soon. >>></span> >> >> >>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa >>do >>not give good advice and/or genuine help?</span> > > I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in > my opinions. ><span style="color:green"> >>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into >>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!) >> >>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users >>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine >>wasn't infected in the first place!).</span> > > Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is > being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about > malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning > tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.) ><span style="color:green"> >>From what I have seen, the 'average' >>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are really clean >>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!</span> > > Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a > machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom > removed. > > BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a > market for anti-crap at all. ><span style="color:green"> >>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!</span> > > Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you > might learn something. ></span> I very much value the input you have made here John - sorry, Root Kit! Thank you for participating and sharing your views. I'd like to apologise for my failure to respond earlier, but I've been away on my boat for a while + it slipped my mind whilst I was considering how best to answer you. I'm sorry. I do feel that you (maybe) should have responded to Dan ........ there is still time! style_emoticons/ With regard to your "(Just to be precise, I'm talking about malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.)" ................ My niggling worry is that folk with problems are 'directed' to all manner of 'help forums' (see David H Lipman's posts for examples!) where 'experts' attempt to clean the users machine. At the end of the 'cleaning' the average user will have absolutely no idea of whether or not his/her machine is still compromised ....... or soon will be via a 'backdoor' left open. AFAICT, no-one is responsible in any way for 'checking the checkers' - it really does seem to be the Wild West all over again! Dave Quote
Guest Dan Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my support as well as professionals like Chris Quirke, MVP who I really admire for his wisdom and expertise especially in regards to the 9x operating system specifically as far as the safety and security discussion of 9x operating systems via NT operating systems. I also appreciate the United States Government and its Department of Homeland Security especially in regards to the Computer Emergency Readiness Team and all the hard work they do to keep our information secure from enemy threats whether they be domestic and/or international. A point of note, I set my computer recently to be hacked via remote access in tracking and secure mode and someone fell for the bait but the fool hacker who took the trap was unfortunately a novice hacker and not the high end hacker that I was trying to trap. I will continue venturing dangerously in the future via the appropriate safeguards and via the appropriate tracking and catching protocol. Let the Games Begin. BTW, movies that I really enjoy and you might want to watch are Sneakers -- 1980's one with Robert Redford, Enemy of the State, The Game, The original Matrix, and of course my all time favorite "It's a Wonderful Life" with Jimmy Stewart. <grin> "~BD~" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:m99c649e22q7r3nvdjrel8gb6pm36rlbas@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> > > On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> > > wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>In line responses > >> > >>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long. > >>> > >> > >>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!</span> > > > > You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and > > learn to think for yourself. > > > > Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad. > > I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't > > mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer > > security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a > > hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect > > instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You > > just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place > > does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real > > security. > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>(but I perceive that you are! <grin>)</span> > > > > Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black > > hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of > > having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and > > products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though. > > Such accusations are just laughable. > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have > >>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come > >>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?</span> > > > > I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you > > can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the > > often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling" > > posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who > > can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out. > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>>>I just wish he'd tell me what he believes I did to upset his master at > >>>>AumHa. > >>>> > >>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually > >>>>telling the truth - I know that I tell the truth so cannot > >>>>understand > >>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please > >>>>don't > >>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and > >>>>paste' > >>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take > >>>>too > >>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion. > >>>> > >>>>Dave > >>>> > >>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his > >>>>recommended 'help' sites > >>> > >>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get > >>> well again soon. > >>> > >> > >> > >>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa > >>do > >>not give good advice and/or genuine help?</span> > > > > I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in > > my opinions. > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into > >>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!) > >> > >>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users > >>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine > >>wasn't infected in the first place!).</span> > > > > Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is > > being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about > > malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning > > tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.) > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>From what I have seen, the 'average' > >>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are really clean > >>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!</span> > > > > Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a > > machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom > > removed. > > > > BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a > > market for anti-crap at all. > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!</span> > > > > Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you > > might learn something. > ></span> > > I very much value the input you have made here John - sorry, Root Kit! > Thank you for participating and sharing your views. I'd like to apologise > for my failure to respond earlier, but I've been away on my boat for a while > + it slipped my mind whilst I was considering how best to answer you. I'm > sorry. > > I do feel that you (maybe) should have responded to Dan ........ there is > still time! style_emoticons/ > > With regard to your "(Just to be precise, I'm talking about malicious sites > tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning tool". I'm not making > any assumptions about the site in question.)" ................ > > My niggling worry is that folk with problems are 'directed' to all manner of > 'help forums' (see David H Lipman's posts for examples!) where 'experts' > attempt to clean the users machine. At the end of the 'cleaning' the average > user will have absolutely no idea of whether or not his/her machine is still > compromised ....... or soon will be via a 'backdoor' left open. AFAICT, > no-one is responsible in any way for 'checking the checkers' - it really > does seem to be the Wild West all over again! > > Dave > > > > > > </span> Quote
Guest Dan Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 I learned that lesson the hard way of trying to cover my tracks. It is next to impossible these days. However, governments can attempt it via using servers in other countries to try and mask their footprints but it is only a matter of time before these governments slip up and our caught by the International Community. <smile> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > RootKit wrote: > <snip><span style="color:green"> > > According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman > > and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999. > > > > I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.</span> > > So what? Many Geek Squad employees and admins have been "in the IT > business" longer than either of us, I'm sure: > > Geek Squad Soaks Your Computer, Blames You: > http://consumerist.com/378522/geek-squad-s...uter-blames-you > > Top Geek Squad Stories To Date: > http://consumerist.com/consumer/roundups/t...date-257316.php > > LEAKED: 6 More Geek Squad Manuals: > http://consumerist.com/consumer/geek-squad...uals-249910.php > > I have a very successful IT consulting business but I choose not to brag > about it. My work speaks for itself. > > The fact that ~BD~ comes to my defense despite our many /contretemps/ in the > past speaks even louder of my capabilities. > > PS: You've got a truly bizarre posting history, RootKit (AKA Straight Talk), > a history that your use of "archive/no" can't hide. > > -- > ~PA Bear > > </span> Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 [bD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.] Dan wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around > comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my > support... </span> Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Why was he banned, other than being a nutcase? "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... : [bD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying : email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry : forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.] : : Dan wrote: : > LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around : > comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my : > support... : Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 Unlike BD, we don't air our dirty laundry in public, Tom. Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Why was he banned, other than being a nutcase? > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> [bD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying >> email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry >> forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.] >> >> Dan wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes >>> around >>> comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my >>> support... </span></span></span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted July 11, 2008 Posted July 11, 2008 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OaXI%23t24IHA.1952@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > [bD is not helping his case by repeatedly sending unrequested & annoying > email messages asking why he was banned to Admins of various & sundry > forums...especially when he knows full well why he was banned.] > > Dan wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> LOL!! I know I am being mean to b_nice aka root kit but what goes around >> comes around. Robear is really cool and will continue to get my >> support...</span> > ></span> BD does NOT know why folk don't give straight-forward and honest answers to his questions. BD does NOT believe everything he reads on a screen, in a newspaper or hears on the radio. BD ....... DOES question things he doesn't understand. It has little to do with computers. BD does NOT know why he was banned from Annexcafe forums .............. nor from Aumha - the only two areas concerned. I am more than happy for Robear to explain the facts to everyone here and now .................. bring things out into the open, PLEASE! Dave Quote
Guest Dan Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been so many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past as well. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues Dan - with respect - I think you may be confusing me (BoaterDave) with Root Kit Perhaps you should re-read the whole of this thread again. Perhaps you'd then report back if there was any confusion. Thanks. Dave PS Thank you for responding at all btw! <wink> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:31DF8805-A02D-4EDA-AE78-66AF32932C60@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be > polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You > need > to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them > as > you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been > in > IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been > so > many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect > MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You > talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but > what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to > really > change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you > may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of > responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past > as > well. > </span> Quote
Guest Dan Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues You are correct. I meant Root Kit. I will shut up now because this whole darn thread is getting too confusing. "~BD~" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Dan - with respect - I think you may be confusing me (BoaterDave) with Root > Kit > > Perhaps you should re-read the whole of this thread again. Perhaps you'd > then report back if there was any confusion. Thanks. > > Dave > > PS Thank you for responding at all btw! <wink> > > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:31DF8805-A02D-4EDA-AE78-66AF32932C60@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. You need to be > > polite in newsgroups. You need to try and help others if you can. You > > need > > to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them > > as > > you have done to Robear. You need to be humble and even if you have been > > in > > IT for a long time then you need to prove it to us because there has been > > so > > many lies that no one believes or trusts you anymore. You need to respect > > MVP's even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. You > > talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear but > > what have you contributed to help other users. If you are willing to > > really > > change and show us that you have changed then possibly restrictions on you > > may someday be lifted. Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of > > responding to your posts because you hurt me with your words in the past > > as > > well. > > </span> > > > </span> Quote
Guest Root Kit Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: Since this seems to have been addressed to me.... <span style="color:blue"> >BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. </span> Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives. <span style="color:blue"> >You need to be polite in newsgroups. </span> Where is this stated? <span style="color:blue"> >You need to try and help others if you can. </span> Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of time anyway. <span style="color:blue"> >You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as >you have done to Robear. </span> Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters. <span style="color:blue"> > You need to be humble</span> Says who? I've no reason to. <span style="color:blue"> > and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need >to prove it to us</span> See, I didn't mention this to brag about it. <span style="color:blue"> >because there has been so many lies </span> Now you're starting something very ugly here. So first of all you better state exactly in what respect I have been lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word from you. <span style="color:blue"> >that no one believes or trusts you anymore. </span> Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very low priority to me. <span style="color:blue"> >You need to respect MVP's </span> Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence? <span style="color:blue"> >even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. </span> oh.. <span style="color:blue"> >You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear </span> Actually I didn't. <span style="color:blue"> >but what have you contributed to help other users. </span> Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums to gain some kind of rank. <span style="color:blue"> > If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed then >possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.</span> Are you somehow in charge here? <span style="color:blue"> > Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts </span> I won't loose any sleep over that. <span style="color:blue"> >because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.</span> Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with low self esteem decide to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some cartoons. Quote
Guest Dan Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues I guess I have very low self-esteem then. <laughs> "Root Kit" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan > <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > Since this seems to have been addressed to me.... > <span style="color:green"> > >BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you. </span> > > Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives. > <span style="color:green"> > >You need to be polite in newsgroups. </span> > > Where is this stated? > <span style="color:green"> > >You need to try and help others if you can. </span> > > Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support > forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I > often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm > opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start > thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of > time anyway. > <span style="color:green"> > >You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and degrade them as > >you have done to Robear. </span> > > Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters. > <span style="color:green"> > > You need to be humble</span> > > Says who? I've no reason to. > <span style="color:green"> > > and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need > >to prove it to us</span> > > See, I didn't mention this to brag about it. > <span style="color:green"> > >because there has been so many lies </span> > > Now you're starting something very ugly here. > > So first of all you better state exactly in what respect I have been > lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very > precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word > from you. > <span style="color:green"> > >that no one believes or trusts you anymore. </span> > > Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very > low priority to me. > <span style="color:green"> > >You need to respect MVP's </span> > > Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence? > <span style="color:green"> > >even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human. </span> > > oh.. > <span style="color:green"> > >You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear </span> > > Actually I didn't. > <span style="color:green"> > >but what have you contributed to help other users. </span> > > Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums > to gain some kind of rank. > <span style="color:green"> > > If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed then > >possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.</span> > > Are you somehow in charge here? > <span style="color:green"> > > Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts </span> > > I won't loose any sleep over that. > <span style="color:green"> > >because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.</span> > > Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with > low self esteem decide to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very > similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some > cartoons. > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted July 12, 2008 Posted July 12, 2008 Re: BD's Issues "Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:83ch74l5sepuorvilhtuld4rop29taek3c@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:37:00 -0700, Dan > <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > Since this seems to have been addressed to me.... ><span style="color:green"> >>BD, I am actually surprised that I am responding to you.</span> > > Don't worry. Surprise can lead to a lot of positives. ><span style="color:green"> >>You need to be polite in newsgroups.</span> > > Where is this stated? ><span style="color:green"> >>You need to try and help others if you can.</span> > > Huh? - Newsgroups are forums for discussion. They are not support > forums, just in case you didn't know. Anyway, helping others is what I > often do. Just not in the common way of doing things. Instead I'm > opening the eyes of those willing to learn and make them start > thinking for themselves. Those who are ignorant to learn is waste of > time anyway. ><span style="color:green"> >>You need to allow others to help you and not accuse them falsely and >>degrade them as >>you have done to Robear.</span> > > Degrades and insults are purely subjective matters. ><span style="color:green"> >> You need to be humble</span> > > Says who? I've no reason to. ><span style="color:green"> >> and even if you have been in IT for a long time then you need >>to prove it to us</span> > > See, I didn't mention this to brag about it. ><span style="color:green"> >>because there has been so many lies</span> > > Now you're starting something very ugly here. > > So first of all you better state exactly in what respect I have been > lying and what I have been lying about! - And you better be very > precise, little man! Otherwise, I expect to have heard the final word > from you. ><span style="color:green"> >>that no one believes or trusts you anymore.</span> > > Trust and belief from people I only know from a newsgroup is of very > low priority to me. ><span style="color:green"> >>You need to respect MVP's</span> > > Why should I? How does a title add anything to ones competence? ><span style="color:green"> >>even if they sometimes make mistakes because we are all human.</span> > > oh.. ><span style="color:green"> >>You talk about your own brilliance as being in IT twice as long as Robear</span> > > Actually I didn't. ><span style="color:green"> >>but what have you contributed to help other users.</span> > > Once again. Newsgroups are discussion forums. Not contribution forums > to gain some kind of rank. ><span style="color:green"> >> If you are willing to really change and show us that you have changed >> then >>possibly restrictions on you may someday be lifted.</span> > > Are you somehow in charge here? ><span style="color:green"> >> Finally, do not expect me to make a habit of responding to your posts</span> > > I won't loose any sleep over that. ><span style="color:green"> >>because you hurt me with your words in the past as well.</span> > > Words in a newsgroup shouldn't be able to hurt. Only when people with > low self esteem decide to be hurt or insulted can this occur. Very > similar to people choosing to be conveniently "insulted" by some > cartoons. ></span> Great responses, John ..... especially your last comment! style_emoticons/ I've found a niche here:- www.pqlr.org/bbs Come on over! Any difficulty, please contact me by email BoaterDaveTJ at aol.com Alternatively or in addition, perhaps you will tell me your favourite support forum(s) - please? Dave Quote
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