Guest Scott Richter Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 marcinmd <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > Famous Scientists Who Believed in God > > http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html Scientists Named Steve Who Don't http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/3541_project_steve_2_16_2003.a sp Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4pmsqiFjgpegU1@individual.net... > "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161135914.319521.128340@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> Robibnikoff wrote: >>> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >>> > >>> > Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in >>> > it is an accident? >>> >>> Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists. >> >> Correct, but it does demonstrate that the Athiest World View is flawed. > > Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". > There is! It's a world without God. Isn't that true? Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 > > So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a > philosophy and it's not a world view. > -- > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... Sure, some Atheists could also be Nilists, same could be Anarchists etc...Stalnist Communists were surely Atheists and they sure did have a World View.... Atheism in and of itself is a philosphy with a certain approach to viewing the worldss and events and their root source. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 On 19 Oct 2006 09:06:18 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a >> philosophy and it's not a world view. >> -- >> Robyn >> Resident Witchypoo > >I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... Sure, some Atheists >could also be Nilists, same could be Anarchists etc...Stalnist >Communists were surely Atheists and they sure did have a World View.... No, moron. You posted your stupidity to atheists, who know perfectly well what an atheist is - after all they're atheists. It takes a totally sociopathic asshole to tell atheists we are confused about what atheism is. And atheism is nothing to do with communism or vice versa. SOME communists are/were atheists. Others (in Russia) were Eastern Orthodox, and others (in Cuba, Central and South America) Catholics. Communists' world view was communism. Not believing in Santa Claus is incidental, not foundational. And not believing in your pretend friend is no different. >Atheism in and of itself is a philosphy with a certain approach to >viewing the worldss and events and their root source. You've been corrected on this already. It is no longer an honest mistake but a deliberate lie on your part. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:p4tcj2hjebnm5ultt69n99fv7fa1h1he79@4ax.com... > On 18 Oct 2006 11:01:26 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". >> >>Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view >>about how they look at the world...... > > And there's also reality, moron. > What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face > moron? > Is not-believing-in-Santa-Claus a philosophy or religion on your > planet? > No. But calling everyone you disagree with "moron" is an important tenet of atheist doctrine. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message news:1161198024.178524.216190@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L. > > The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or > causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same" > The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will > eventually have an end. > Careful Libertine!!! If you get in too deep, you may fail to come up in time for air. "by accident" indeed!!!! Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:fkucj2p7sht1fnnrb2fujbsrnh61bjrsgq@4ax.com... > On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L. >> >>The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or >>causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same" > > Feel free to demonstrate that it does. > >>The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will >>eventually have an end. > > And your evidence for this, is? > All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity of things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of all the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 > > > Science deals with observing, naming and listing of what is. It's what > Adam did with God's creation. The "Christian world-view" is about the > quality of actions on the scale of good and evil, and implementing ideals of > qualities which culminate in the Kingdom of Heaven. It has therefore nothing > in common with science and the scientific method. \ I think that is well said. But it is also true that Science continues, in it's own way, to make discoveries that confirm the Judeo-Christian view point. They are not contradictory in other words. For example, the claim that some things are "invisible" was scoffed at until science acquired the technology to see things not visible to the human eye..Then later, science figured that the Universe is multidimensional...... Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that the created universe had a beginning ( and will have an end) which is a key point of Christian cosmology.... Let there be light... Turns out to be pretty accurate. > > > Atheists look for science and the scientific method for answers in the > material world. Christians are to look for answers in the quality of their > actions and relationships, meaning in the spiritual / attitudinal realm. Yes but it is also important to remember what kind of Christian you are speaking about. In the East, the physical world is not looked at like something to be discarded or a fake covering for the reality of spiritual existence. The created world also reveals God so what we learn about it matters to a certain extent. > > > For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be as > substantial as a dream in the mind of God. See below<< This is why personal interpretation is not a good idea. You can simply conclude that anything is possible and stop caring. That is why we should look to the 2000 year Tradition of the Church itself which has already chewed over all these questions and possibilities. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 On 19 Oct 2006 10:30:54 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> Science deals with observing, naming and listing of what is. It's what >> Adam did with God's creation. The "Christian world-view" is about the >> quality of actions on the scale of good and evil, and implementing ideals of >> qualities which culminate in the Kingdom of Heaven. It has therefore nothing >> in common with science and the scientific method. > >I think that is well said. But it is also true that Science continues, >in it's own way, to make discoveries that confirm the Judeo-Christian >view point. They are not contradictory in other words. It does no such thing. Believers try to rationalise what they read after the event,to try and make it fit. >For example, the claim that some things are "invisible" was scoffed at >until science acquired the technology to see things not visible to the >human eye..Then later, science figured that the Universe is >multidimensional...... Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that the >created universe had a beginning ( and will have an end) which is a key >point of Christian cosmology.... Christian cosmology starts with things created in the wrong order, has the Sun orbiting the Earth and finishes with a mountain so high all the kingdoms of the world can be seen including those the opposite side of the planet. Not to mention an eclipse of the Sun at the time of the full Moon. >Let there be light... Turns out to be pretty accurate. Bullshit. It wasn't even light until some time after the big bang. > > >> > >> Atheists look for science and the scientific method for answers in the >> material world. Christians are to look for answers in the quality of their >> actions and relationships, meaning in the spiritual / attitudinal realm. > >Yes but it is also important to remember what kind of Christian you are >speaking about. In the East, the physical world is not looked at like >something to be discarded or a fake covering for the reality of >spiritual existence. The created world also reveals God so what we >learn about it matters to a certain extent. > > >> > >> For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be as >> substantial as a dream in the mind of God. See below<< > > >This is why personal interpretation is not a good idea. You can simply >conclude that anything is possible and stop caring. That is why we >should look to the 2000 year Tradition of the Church itself which has >already chewed over all these questions and possibilities. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1161219559.876724.177180@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> Just imagine Bill landing in heaven, where there is nothing to >> complain >> about, no sickness, nor natural disaster, etc. etc. just the powerful >> presence of our loving God, the same whom Bill lambasted all his life. >> then >> there are His ever worshipping Christian believers singing His praises >> day >> and night, the same Bill flamed all his sorry life. > > Imagine god giving Bill a tour of heaven. Imagine god showing Bill a > door, > which he opens, revealing a long stairway descending without end. The > hot air smells of burnt tires. Occasionally, lightning flashes > illuminate > in the depths, followed by distant tormented shriekings and wailings. > God leans forwards to better enjoy the view. Bill, standing behind > god, suddenly realizes he'll never have a better chance... > So you think Bill will be happy with a whole heaven full of repentant sinners all worshipping a God who is now in hell praying with the tormented souls down there for another 3 days as Christ did? I think Bill will be in hell wherever he goes, for that is all he is looking for and expects to find. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 Christopher A. Lee wrote: > On 19 Oct 2006 10:30:54 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >I think that is well said. But it is also true that Science continues, > >in it's own way, to make discoveries that confirm the Judeo-Christian > >view point. They are not contradictory in other words. > > It does no such thing. Believers try to rationalize what they read > after the event,to try and make it fit.<< Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = True > > >For example, the claim that some things are "invisible" was scoffed at > >until science acquired the technology to see things not visible to the > >human eye..Then later, science figured that the Universe is > >multidimensional...... Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that the > >created universe had a beginning ( and will have an end) which is a key > >point of Christian cosmology.... > > Christian cosmology starts with things created in the wrong order, has > the Sun orbiting the Earth and finishes with a mountain so high all > the kingdoms of the world can be seen including those the opposite > side of the planet. Not to mention an eclipse of the Sun at the time > of the full Moon.<< The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical how's are not something that should get you off message and it has never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4pphlcFjoeouU1@individual.net... > "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161187211.311861.225940@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Wow....Atheism does not seem to have helped you much with personal >> character building.. >> It's tell tale that you are so full of insults and specifically name >> calling around stupidity and idiocy etc...This points to the real >> motivation behind clinging to Atheism for many people..Without a higher >> authority, they personally rule the Universe...Ego has no bounds. >> Morals have no boundaries... No final judgement, no authority, just you >> and your ever expanding self....So anyone who does not agree is >> "Stupid" because the real issue is not always the nature of reality and >> God but rather personal ego, control issues. > > LOL! Go hang out on a religious newsgroup sometime. Those people are at > each others' throats constantly. > LOL resorting now to lies for atheism, Poo? Please cite Christians "at each other's throats", or admit you are lying again. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 On 19 Oct 2006 13:26:21 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On 19 Oct 2006 10:30:54 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> >I think that is well said. But it is also true that Science continues, >> >in it's own way, to make discoveries that confirm the Judeo-Christian >> >view point. They are not contradictory in other words. >> >> It does no such thing. Believers try to rationalize what they read >> after the event,to try and make it fit.<< > >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you are unbelievably stupid. >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = >True So satisfy the "if". But you can't. It's merely one of the hundereds of different religions out tgere, each with its own mythology. >> >For example, the claim that some things are "invisible" was scoffed at >> >until science acquired the technology to see things not visible to the >> >human eye..Then later, science figured that the Universe is >> >multidimensional...... Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that the >> >created universe had a beginning ( and will have an end) which is a key >> >point of Christian cosmology.... >> >> Christian cosmology starts with things created in the wrong order, has >> the Sun orbiting the Earth and finishes with a mountain so high all >> the kingdoms of the world can be seen including those the opposite >> side of the planet. Not to mention an eclipse of the Sun at the time >> of the full Moon.<< > > >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the >message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as >Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about >dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the >message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that >Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical >how's are not something that should get you off message and it has >never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant >Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. You can't have it both ways. Ansd what "message" are you pretending this is? You need to learn just how irrelevant your religuous beliefs are in the real world. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 > > > >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. > > I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you > are unbelievably stupid. Of course you are.. You are backfilling based on your personal agenda... You rationalize away any argument that doesn't help you... > > >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will > >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = > >True > > So satisfy the "if".<< Yes..Whenever I run into an open minded person who is really interested there are lots of things that can be done and read that is educational.. But bitter people with an agenda cant be helped so easily because they......have an agenda and there is no way to speak to them until they have a change of attitude.. > > But you can't. It's merely one of the hundreds of different religions > out tgere, each with its own mythology.<< Well of course I can and I have ... Crhistianity is far more popular than your idea's are..Always have been...Always will be.. Go figure..huh? > >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a > >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the > >message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as > >Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about > >dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the > >message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that > >Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical > >how's are not something that should get you off message and it has > >never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant > >Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. > > You can't have it both ways.<< You obviously didnt follow..Read for content.... 1. Not a manual or Bule print 2. The Creation Story is poetic 3. It conveys the Truth about why God Created the Universe, not how. > > Ansd what "message" are you pretending this is?<< I already told you, it tells about the reason for creation andthat the nature of creation as inherently good...If you would like to learn more about Christian Theology, I can recommend a few books and web sites. > > You need to learn just how irrelevant your religuous beliefs are in > the real world.<< Define "Real World" Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 On 19 Oct 2006 15:18:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. >> >> I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you >> are unbelievably stupid. > >Of course you are.. You are backfilling based on your personal >agenda... No, liar, I am doing no such thing - and you know that. >You rationalize away any argument that doesn't help you... Keep telling yoursellf that and ebventually you'll believe it. >> >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will >> >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = >> >True >> >> So satisfy the "if".<< > > >Yes..Whenever I run into an open minded person who is really interested >there are lots of things that can be done and read that is >educational.. But bitter people with an agenda cant be helped so >easily because they......have an agenda and there is no way to speak >to them until they have a change of attitude.. More standard theist dishonesty. > >> >> But you can't. It's merely one of the hundreds of different religions >> out tgere, each with its own mythology.<< > >Well of course I can and I have ... Crhistianity is far more popular >than your idea's are..Always have been...Always will be.. Go >figure..huh? Because the world is full of brainwashed, ignorant idiots who deny reality when it conflicts wth their religiomn. >> >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a >> >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the >> >message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as >> >Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about >> >dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the >> >message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that >> >Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical >> >how's are not something that should get you off message and it has >> >never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant >> >Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. >> >> You can't have it both ways.<< > >You obviously didnt follow..Read for content.... I did, moron. >1. Not a manual or Bule print Yet you claimed its cosmology was accurate, moron. Quote
Guest Father Haskell Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 marcinmd wrote: > > > > Stroll about with a "kick me" sign on your back, you're > > gonna get kicked. > > Sir, I have been "kicked" by no one, I assure you... The only damage ad > hominem attacks do are to the people who employ the tactic. Flamed on usenet, kicked in the ass by half the school, including the janitor, big difference. Quote
Guest Father Haskell Posted October 19, 2006 Posted October 19, 2006 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message > news:fkucj2p7sht1fnnrb2fujbsrnh61bjrsgq@4ax.com... > > On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L. > >> > >>The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or > >>causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same" > > > > Feel free to demonstrate that it does. > > > >>The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will > >>eventually have an end. > > > > And your evidence for this, is? > > > All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity of > things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of all > the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end. Circles Moebius strips Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Well... You are obviously disturbed about something that probably has little to do with me or my posts... I'll just leave you to it and pray that one day you regain your composure... CU Christopher A. Lee wrote: > On 19 Oct 2006 15:18:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > >> >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. > >> > >> I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you > >> are unbelievably stupid. > > > >Of course you are.. You are backfilling based on your personal > >agenda... > > No, liar, I am doing no such thing - and you know that. > > >You rationalize away any argument that doesn't help you... > > Keep telling yoursellf that and ebventually you'll believe it. > > >> >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will > >> >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = > >> >True > >> > >> So satisfy the "if".<< > > > > > >Yes..Whenever I run into an open minded person who is really interested > >there are lots of things that can be done and read that is > >educational.. But bitter people with an agenda cant be helped so > >easily because they......have an agenda and there is no way to speak > >to them until they have a change of attitude.. > > More standard theist dishonesty. > > > > >> > >> But you can't. It's merely one of the hundreds of different religions > >> out tgere, each with its own mythology.<< > > > >Well of course I can and I have ... Crhistianity is far more popular > >than your idea's are..Always have been...Always will be.. Go > >figure..huh? > > Because the world is full of brainwashed, ignorant idiots who deny > reality when it conflicts wth their religiomn. > > >> >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a > >> >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the > >> >message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as > >> >Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about > >> >dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the > >> >message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that > >> >Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical > >> >how's are not something that should get you off message and it has > >> >never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant > >> >Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. > >> > >> You can't have it both ways.<< > > > >You obviously didnt follow..Read for content.... > > I did, moron. > > >1. Not a manual or Bule print > > Yet you claimed its cosmology was accurate, moron. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 On 19 Oct 2006 17:35:47 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > >Well... You are obviously disturbed about something that probably has >little to do with me or my posts... I'll just leave you to it and pray >that one day you regain your composure... Yet more fabrications, liar. >CU > > > > >Christopher A. Lee wrote: >> On 19 Oct 2006 15:18:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. >> >> >> >> I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you >> >> are unbelievably stupid. >> > >> >Of course you are.. You are backfilling based on your personal >> >agenda... >> >> No, liar, I am doing no such thing - and you know that. >> >> >You rationalize away any argument that doesn't help you... >> >> Keep telling yoursellf that and ebventually you'll believe it. >> >> >> >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will >> >> >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = >> >> >True >> >> >> >> So satisfy the "if".<< >> > >> > >> >Yes..Whenever I run into an open minded person who is really interested >> >there are lots of things that can be done and read that is >> >educational.. But bitter people with an agenda cant be helped so >> >easily because they......have an agenda and there is no way to speak >> >to them until they have a change of attitude.. >> >> More standard theist dishonesty. >> >> > >> >> >> >> But you can't. It's merely one of the hundreds of different religions >> >> out tgere, each with its own mythology.<< >> > >> >Well of course I can and I have ... Crhistianity is far more popular >> >than your idea's are..Always have been...Always will be.. Go >> >figure..huh? >> >> Because the world is full of brainwashed, ignorant idiots who deny >> reality when it conflicts wth their religiomn. >> >> >> >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a >> >> >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the >> >> >message is True. The Universe is created. It had a beginning ( as >> >> >Einstein discovered via the scientific method..see comment above about >> >> >dove tailing)... It will also have an end. More important is the >> >> >message about WHY God created the Universe and the Nature of that >> >> >Creation ( It is "Good, Very Good"... inherently).... The mechanical >> >> >how's are not something that should get you off message and it has >> >> >never been of much concern to the Historic Church... Protestant >> >> >Fundamentalists may be another matter, but I cant speak for them. >> >> >> >> You can't have it both ways.<< >> > >> >You obviously didnt follow..Read for content.... >> >> I did, moron. >> >> >1. Not a manual or Bule print >> >> Yet you claimed its cosmology was accurate, moron. Quote
Guest Don Kresch Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 In alt.atheism On 19 Oct 2006 13:26:21 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> let us all know that: >The Creation story in the view of the Church is not a blue print or a >manual of exactly how things were created.. It is poetic...But the >message is True. The Universe is created. Wrong. > It had a beginning Wrong. > ( as Einstein discovered Wrong. Einstein discovered no such thing. Do some research. Don --- aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert. "No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man" Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > The "Christian world-view" is about the quality of [blah, blah, blah...] > It has therefore nothing in common with science and the scientific method. Which is to say, "It has therefore nothing in common with the world in which we live." > Atheists look for science and the scientific method for answers in the > material world. Christians are to look for answers in the quality of their > actions and relationships, meaning in the spiritual / attitudinal realm. Then why do you need all the superstition and mythology? Why do you feel compelled to invent imaginary father figures? Or imaginary places like heaven and hell? And if he's not part of the material world, how does your imaginary father figure interact with the material world, whether dictating rules, healing people, or impregnating a virgin? > For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be as > substantial as a dream in the mind of God. Or we might all be just, oh, I don't know... Dust in the Wind? Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 marcinmd <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > Crhistianity is far more popular than your idea's are..Always have > been...Always will be.. Go figure..huh? I'll bet there were many who felt the same way about Thor, Zeus, and Poseidon.. Go figure..huh? Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > > In fact most people are Atheists to some degree. Christians will deny the > > the Mayan, Hindu, Ancient Roman, Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, Ancient > > Sumerian, Ancient Baylonian, etc. Gods and Goddesses. > > > We don't "deny" any such gods. In fact we believe in the existence of all > those gods you list, So, Christianity is a polytheistic religion? Your god has some god buddies? > Then why not have another look at our glorious God incarnate, Jesus Christ? But what about the other gods? Won't they be jealous or something? Don't they deserve some followers, too? I mean, what good is being a god if another god hogs all the sheep? Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4pphqmFjtt9aU1@individual.net... > "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161198575.783566.227260@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> >Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view >> >about how they look at the world...... >> >> And there's also reality, moron. >> What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face? > Because, "moron", the below definition puts "reality and "logic" first, as only atheists would. Yet we all know, that religion deals with ideals and qualities which are not the result of, nor dependent upon any "logic", but of preference, likes and loves, needing no reason nor "logic". Don't you have any loves, likes and care-fors in your life independent of any logical deliberations? Apparently you have lots of hates, dislikes and don't care fors already, enought to call those who don't agree with you "moron". > > Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary > philosophy > Main Entry: phi Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4pphrpFk5tc5U1@individual.net... > "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161198024.178524.216190@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >>> >>> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L. >> >> The better way to say that is "God Exists".. > > Why? There's no evidence a god exists. > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > #1557 Not any of YOUR definition, Poo. We all agree on that! Quote
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