Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message news:1161279054.267151.301030@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >Pastor Frank wrote: >> >> Atheists look for science and the scientific method for answers in >> the >> material world. Christians are to look for answers in the quality of >> their >> actions and relationships, meaning in the spiritual / attitudinal realm. > > Yes but it is also important to remember what kind of Christian you are > speaking about. In the East, the physical world is not looked at like > something to be discarded or a fake covering for the reality of > spiritual existence. The created world also reveals God so what we > learn about it matters to a certain extent. > You cite no evidence for your assertion, and I disagree. Eastern philosophy is based on maya, meaning illusion. Religion deals with qualities, such as attitudes, opinion, judgment regarding good and evil actions etc. not with creation itself. >> >> For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be >> as >> substantial as a dream in the mind of God. See below > > This is why personal interpretation is not a good idea. > Whose non-personal interpretation do you prefer? > > You can simply > conclude that anything is possible and stop caring. > What does Christ say about that? Let me quote: Jesus in Mk:10:27: And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible. Why would "all things are possible" produce apathy? > That is why we > should look to the 2000 year Tradition of the Church itself which has > already chewed over all these questions and possibilities. > You are RC, are you not? To us sola scriptura fundamentalist protestants only God's Holy and inerrant Word, as per scripture is decisive and is the ONLY permissible reference for our beliefs, all else is speculation, often inspired by God perhaps, but still subservient to scripture. Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message news:1161273978.472236.48760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > >> >> So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a >> philosophy and it's not a world view. > > I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). Deal with it. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 Quote
Guest Robibnikoff Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message news:1161279054.267151.301030@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> Science deals with observing, naming and listing of what is. It's >> what >> Adam did with God's creation. The "Christian world-view" is about the >> quality of actions on the scale of good and evil, and implementing ideals >> of >> qualities which culminate in the Kingdom of Heaven. It has therefore >> nothing >> in common with science and the scientific method. > \ > > I think that is well said. But it is also true that Science continues, > in it's own way, to make discoveries that confirm the Judeo-Christian > view point. They are not contradictory in other words. > > For example, the claim that some things are "invisible" was scoffed at > until science acquired the technology to see things not visible to the > human eye..Then later, science figured that the Universe is > multidimensional...... Albert Einstein came to the conclusion that the > created universe had a beginning ( and will have an end) which is a key > point of Christian cosmology.... > > Let there be light... Turns out to be pretty accurate. LOL! -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:kgufj290ivisoqmt95ju21o3u93j5uaje7@4ax.com... > On 19 Oct 2006 15:18:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >Just like you are doing..An easy accusation to make. >>> >>> I'm doing no such thing, and you either know it and are lying, or you >>> are unbelievably stupid. >> >>Of course you are.. You are backfilling based on your personal >>agenda... > > No, liar, I am doing no such thing - and you know that. > >>You rationalize away any argument that doesn't help you... > > Keep telling yoursellf that and ebventually you'll believe it. > >>> >If the Christian message and World View is True, then science will >>> >naturally dove tail it when they hit on things that are true..True = >>> >True >>> >>> So satisfy the "if".<< >> >>Yes..Whenever I run into an open minded person who is really interested >>there are lots of things that can be done and read that is >>educational.. But bitter people with an agenda cant be helped so >>easily because they......have an agenda and there is no way to speak >>to them until they have a change of attitude.. > > More standard theist dishonesty. > No. Yours Christopher is just standard atheist dogma. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1161298847.248587.327090@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > marcinmd wrote: >> > >> > Stroll about with a "kick me" sign on your back, you're >> > gonna get kicked. >> >> Sir, I have been "kicked" by no one, I assure you... The only damage ad >> hominem attacks do are to the people who employ the tactic. > > Flamed on usenet, kicked in the ass by half the school, including > the janitor, big difference. > Who "kicks" whom and who's left standing is a big thing in atheist circles. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:02:41 -0400, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: > >"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message >news:1161273978.472236.48760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >>> >>> So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a >>> philosophy and it's not a world view. >> >> I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... > >Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). Deal with it. I have never understood why these assholes feel qualified to lecture us on what our own POV "really" is, tell us we're confused etc. When it's obvious they don't have the most basic idea. It's arrogantly rude to the point of nastiness. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1161300706.490573.20800@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Pastor Frank wrote: >> "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message >> news:fkucj2p7sht1fnnrb2fujbsrnh61bjrsgq@4ax.com... >> > On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- >> >>> L. >> >> >> >>The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or >> >>causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same" >> > >> > Feel free to demonstrate that it does. >> > >> >>The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will >> >>eventually have an end. >> > >> > And your evidence for this, is? >> > >> All the things which do have a beginning and an end, and the paucity >> of >> things which do not. Why be secretive Christopher? Tell us already of all >> the things you know which don't have a beginning nor an end. > > Circles > Moebius strips > 2 our of an infinite number of things? Like I said, "paucity" is the key word here. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message news:1161304547.375267.273820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Well... You are obviously disturbed about something that probably has > little to do with me or my posts... I'll just leave you to it and pray > that one day you regain your composure... > Christopher Lee is just practicing what he wants to do for all eternity. See below Pastor Frank Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in frustration and impotent rage). Quote
Guest Dan Wood Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message news:45189239.3000907@Nothing_But_The.Truth... > > > chiron613@gmail.com wrote: > > Actually, this does nothing to explain the question. It just shows > > that God has been doing this for millennia - something we already knew. > > > > WHY did God allow Satan to torment Job? Why, in fact, did God create > > Satan, and why (if Satan just "went bad", as some claim) doesn't God > > get rid of Satan? > > > > Did you ever see the movie, "Old Yeller"? It's about a great dog. But > > the dog gets rabies, and they have to shoot it at the end. That's what > > you do with rabid dogs - you shoot them, because they're in misery, and > > they can be extremely dangerous. > > > > The Bible doesn't really explain much of this. It just tells us that > > God does things like this - letting Satan wreak havoc on people, even > > good people. > > ===>DON'T EXPECT LOGIC IN RELIGIOUS STORIES > or any other fairy tales that contain magic. -- L. > The universe is not governed by magic or chance. Certainly, Paul Davies, did not believe that the universe is governed by chance or random happazardous mechanics. In "The Cosmic Blueprint", He wrote, "beneath the baffling kaleidoscope of phenomena, that confronts our inspection lies a hidden mathematical order in nature. Science proceeds on the basis that the underlying order in nature can be at least in part, be grasp by human intellect. In "A Brief History of Time", Stephen Hawking ask,"What were the 'boundary conditions' at the beginning of time?" he explains, "One possible answer is to say that God chose the initinal configuration of the universe for reasons that we cannot hope to understand, This certainly would have been within the power of omnipotent being, but if he had started it off in such an incomprehehnsinible way, why did he choose to let it evolve according to laws we could understand? Stephen Hawking wrote, The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in a arbitrary manner, but they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." I think Einstein said it best, "God doesn't play dice with the universe". Quote
kellyjaz Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Allah Exists??? A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of Allah, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists." "Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out on the street to realize that Allah doesn't exist. Tell me, if Allah exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If Allah existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving Allah who would allow all of these things." The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man on the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! " answered the barber. " What happens, is people do not come to me. " "Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! Allah, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world." Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > >>> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". > >> > >>Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view > >>about how they look at the world...... > > > > And there's also reality, moron. > > What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face > > moron? Is not-believing-in-Santa-Claus a philosophy or religion on your > > planet? > > > No. But calling everyone you disagree with "moron" is an important tenet > of atheist doctrine. No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or claim the moon landing was faked. Quote
Guest Scott Richter Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: >> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". > > There is! It's a world without God. Isn't that true? Yes it is. Now, if we can only convince all the deluded religionists of this simple fact, we might be able to avoid global religious warfare. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1hnhbu1.1a4vuh2db8f3vN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... > Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > >> > In fact most people are Atheists to some degree. Christians will deny >> > the >> > the Mayan, Hindu, Ancient Roman, Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, >> > Ancient >> > Sumerian, Ancient Baylonian, etc. Gods and Goddesses. >> > >> We don't "deny" any such gods. In fact we believe in the existence of >> all >> those gods you list, > > So, Christianity is a polytheistic religion? Your god has some god > buddies? > Dishonest boob, aren't you, deleting part of my post to make nonsense out of it. I said: That though we Christians have no problems with the existence of a mutlitude of gods and devils, we have made our choice in favour of Christ, our God incarnate, and give no credence to any other gods or devils. > >> Then why not have another look at our glorious God incarnate, Jesus >> Christ? > > But what about the other gods? Won't they be jealous or something? Don't > they deserve some followers, too? > I mean, what good is being a god if another god hogs all the sheep? > You obviously haven't made your choice yet, but seem confused, by having so many gods and/or devils to choose from. That is why we post, to advance our God and the reason for our choice, so as to get people like you off the fence. Quote
Guest Dan Wood Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1hni13w.1jjilwe1s2h7cfN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com... > Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > > > >>> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". > > >> > > >>Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view > > >>about how they look at the world...... > > > > > > And there's also reality, moron. > > > What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face > > > moron? Is not-believing-in-Santa-Claus a philosophy or religion on your > > > planet? > > > > > No. But calling everyone you disagree with "moron" is an important tenet > > of atheist doctrine. > > No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think > the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or > claim the moon landing was faked. > There's only a few who believe the universe was created in seven 24 hour days, or that the earth is only 6,000 years old (neiither scriptural) and even fewer think the moon landing was faked. Dan Wood Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:07:52 -0700, scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote: >Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > >>> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". >> >> There is! It's a world without God. Isn't that true? > >Yes it is. Now, if we can only convince all the deluded religionists of >this simple fact, we might be able to avoid global religious warfare. I wouldn't call it "a world without God". It would have to be in our world view differently than it actually is - a belief that is part of somebody else's religion. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 > > No, that term should be reserved for people who... I don't know... think > the earth is only 6,000 years old, believe evolution doesn't happen, or > claim the moon landing was faked. Straw Man argument... Only one tiny slice of the Christian World are fundementalists..The historic Church, both the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church dont believe in your characterization at all. It's like calling all Atheists Communists...Care to defend the Gulag..and Mass Murder by the Stalinists..? The USSR was Officially Athiest you know. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Scott Richter wrote: > Pastor Frank <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote: > > >> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View". > > > > There is! It's a world without God. Isn't that true? > > Yes it is. Now, if we can only convince all the deluded religionists of > this simple fact, we might be able to avoid global religious warfare. Hmmmmm..Seems to me that the USSR was officially an Atheist State... But thanks for playing.... There will be a lovely parting gift for you at the door. Quote
Guest marcinmd Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 > > > > Yes but it is also important to remember what kind of Christian you are > > speaking about. In the East, the physical world is not looked at like > > something to be discarded or a fake covering for the reality of > > spiritual existence. The created world also reveals God so what we > > learn about it matters to a certain extent. > > > You cite no evidence for your assertion, << That the material world reveals God? Geee.... Er...Blue Sky...Birds in flight... Um Ocean crashing....Birth....etc.... Seems obvious and the revelation of God through matter is in fact a long held tenant of the Church. and I disagree. Eastern > philosophy is based on maya, meaning illusion. << You misunderstand.. I meant Eastern Christiainity Religion deals with > qualities, such as attitudes, opinion, judgment regarding good and evil > actions etc. not with creation itself.<< That's correct...I undersand that about Buddhism etc. but that was not my reference as I just wrote above. > >> > >> For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be > >> as > >> substantial as a dream in the mind of God. See below > > > > This is why personal interpretation is not a good idea. > > > Whose non-personal interpretation do you prefer?<<< The Church > > > > You can simply > > conclude that anything is possible and stop caring. > > > What does Christ say about that? Let me quote: Jesus in Mk:10:27: And > Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: > for with God all things are possible. > Why would "all things are possible" produce apathy?<< You can slip into Nilism when you speculate based on your own personal interpretations of scripture. "It could all be a God's dream" is an example of such a danger.... I would not take such musings seriously because in the 2000 year history of the Church, no Saint, Scholar or Council of the Church had that interpretation. You only have to look at cults like Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses to see folks who have fallen waaaaaaaaaaaay off the trolley to see the danger. > > That is why we > > should look to the 2000 year Tradition of the Church itself which has > > already chewed over all these questions and possibilities. > > > You are RC, are you not? << Nope, not RCC.. I'm Orthodox http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com us sola scriptura fundamentalist protestants > only God's Holy and inerrant Word, as per scripture is decisive and is the > ONLY permissible reference for our beliefs, all else is speculation, often > inspired by God perhaps, but still subservient to scripture.<<< The Scriptures are a part of Holy Tradition but don't stand alone. Every heresy invented has argued their case directly from scripture..Pope Alone is wrong and Bible Alone is wrong too. Both ideas are cut from the same cloth. Quote
Guest Christopher A. Lee Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 On 20 Oct 2006 12:44:43 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote: > > >> > >> > Yes but it is also important to remember what kind of Christian you are >> > speaking about. In the East, the physical world is not looked at like >> > something to be discarded or a fake covering for the reality of >> > spiritual existence. The created world also reveals God so what we >> > learn about it matters to a certain extent. >> > >> You cite no evidence for your assertion, << > >That the material world reveals God? Geee.... Er...Blue Sky...Birds in >flight... Um Ocean crashing....Birth....etc.... Seems obvious and the >revelation of God through matter is in fact a long held tenant of the >Church. And how is that vidence? It's merely what some people out of touch with reality think, who can't grasp that only people inside their religion will think that. > >and I disagree. Eastern >> philosophy is based on maya, meaning illusion. << > >You misunderstand.. I meant Eastern Christiainity > > > >Religion deals with >> qualities, such as attitudes, opinion, judgment regarding good and evil >> actions etc. not with creation itself.<< > > >That's correct...I undersand that about Buddhism etc. but that was not >my reference as I just wrote above. > > >> >> >> >> For all we know for certain, we and the entire cosmos might well be >> >> as >> >> substantial as a dream in the mind of God. See below >> > >> > This is why personal interpretation is not a good idea. >> > >> Whose non-personal interpretation do you prefer?<<< > > >The Church > > >> > >> > You can simply >> > conclude that anything is possible and stop caring. >> > >> What does Christ say about that? Let me quote: Jesus in Mk:10:27: And >> Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: >> for with God all things are possible. >> Why would "all things are possible" produce apathy?<< > >You can slip into Nilism when you speculate based on your own personal >interpretations of scripture. > >"It could all be a God's dream" is an example of such a danger.... I >would not take such musings seriously because in the 2000 year history >of the Church, no Saint, Scholar or Council of the Church had that >interpretation. > >You only have to look at cults like Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses >to see folks who have fallen waaaaaaaaaaaay off the trolley to see the >danger. > > >> > That is why we >> > should look to the 2000 year Tradition of the Church itself which has >> > already chewed over all these questions and possibilities. >> > >> You are RC, are you not? << > >Nope, not RCC.. I'm Orthodox > >http://www.ourlifeinchrist.com > > us sola scriptura fundamentalist protestants >> only God's Holy and inerrant Word, as per scripture is decisive and is the >> ONLY permissible reference for our beliefs, all else is speculation, often >> inspired by God perhaps, but still subservient to scripture.<<< > >The Scriptures are a part of Holy Tradition but don't stand alone. >Every heresy invented has argued their case directly from >scripture..Pope Alone is wrong and Bible Alone is wrong too. Both ideas >are cut from the same cloth. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:c7jhj21i0f93k8n9urnpq6f1r2onqp3g0u@4ax.com... > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:02:41 -0400, "Robibnikoff" > <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote: >>"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message >>news:1161273978.472236.48760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>> >>>> So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a >>>> philosophy and it's not a world view. >>> >>> I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... >> >>Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). Deal with it. > > I have never understood why these assholes feel qualified to lecture > us on what our own POV "really" is, tell us we're confused etc. When > it's obvious they don't have the most basic idea. It's arrogantly rude > to the point of nastiness. > The need to screech insults and abuse is atheists dogma, and can be safely ignored. Quote
Guest Pastor Frank Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:4prvfkFk1la8U1@individual.net... > "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1161273978.472236.48760@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >>> >>> So? Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). That's it. It's not a >>> philosophy and it's not a world view. >> >> I think you are confusing Nilism with Atheism... > > Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s). Deal with it. > Robyn > Resident Witchypoo > #1557 You keep forgetting to finish your sentence, Poo. The above should read. Atheism is the lack of belief in gods, whatever the word might mean. In fact you might as well admit, that you haven't any idea what you disbelieve in, but just chant atheist mantras you learned from others similarly clueless. Quote
Guest Father Haskell Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank wrote: > God who is now in hell Very GOOD! You're catching onto this blasphemy thing like an old pro! Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 marcinmd wrote: >>===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L. > > > The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or > causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same" ===>NONSENSE. Change is the basic law of existence. NOTHING is "ever the same", hence, your "God" is NOTHING. > > The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will > eventually have an end. ===>The universal substance could not have appeared out of nothing, nor can it ever become nothing. That is the basic LAW OF CONSERVATION. Hence, unlike your nothing "God", the universal substance is SOMETHING and ETERNAL. -- L. Quote
Guest Father Haskell Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Pastor Frank wrote: > "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1161298847.248587.327090@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > marcinmd wrote: > >> > > >> > Stroll about with a "kick me" sign on your back, you're > >> > gonna get kicked. > >> > >> Sir, I have been "kicked" by no one, I assure you... The only damage ad > >> hominem attacks do are to the people who employ the tactic. > > > > Flamed on usenet, kicked in the ass by half the school, including > > the janitor, big difference. > > > Who "kicks" whom and who's left standing is a big thing in atheist > circles. Checked the back of your shirt lately? Quote
Guest Libertarius Posted October 20, 2006 Posted October 20, 2006 Gordon wrote: > On 25 Sep 2006 17:17:06 -0700, chiron613@gmail.com wrote: > > >>Actually, this does nothing to explain the question. It just shows >>that God has been doing this for millennia - something we already knew. >> >>WHY did God allow Satan to torment Job? Why, in fact, did God create >>Satan, and why (if Satan just "went bad", as some claim) doesn't God >>get rid of Satan? >> >>Did you ever see the movie, "Old Yeller"? It's about a great dog. But >>the dog gets rabies, and they have to shoot it at the end. That's what >>you do with rabid dogs - you shoot them, because they're in misery, and >>they can be extremely dangerous. >> >>The Bible doesn't really explain much of this. It just tells us that >>God does things like this - letting Satan wreak havoc on people, even >>good people. >> > > My perception on this matter is that we, as mortals, are in the > process of learning enough about sin and rebellion to assure God > that we will NEVER, EVER want to go back and tinker with it > again, after we have been granted absolute sovereignty and > immortality. It is indeed a rough training session, but it lasts > only a few decades, then it is all over and done with. How > significant are these 3 score and 10 years, more or less, > compared to eternity? Will any of us look back, 1 million years > from now, and resent having had to spend a few decades of rough > times, learning about sin and rebellion? > > Gordon ===>Your "perception" is based on imagination. What the Bible REALLY tells us are the ideas, opinions, speculations and fantasies of a few MEN, which were selected, edited and compiled into that book by MEN of the Church. THAT'S ALL! -- L. Quote
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