windows vista antivirus programs !!

July 29, 2008

Kayman wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:04:00 -0700, cameccas wrote:

>

>> Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or NORTON

>> my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it has

>> to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??

>> I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer run

>> very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run better

>> and safe ??

>

> A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of McAfee, Norton and

> Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the average user.

>

> The major criticisms are related to stability and footprint, the most

> common problem being slow-downs because of the massive system resources

> hogs. There are products on the market with equal or better test results

> than Symantec's products, consuming less resources at a lower price (even

> free ones).

>

> The retail version of these apps can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it

> using propriety uninstall tools:

>

> Download and run the Norton Removal Tool and try to get a refund:

> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgen...005033108162039

> The Norton Removal Tool uninstalls all Norton 2008/2007/2006/2005/2004/2003

> products and Norton 360 from your computer.

>

> Removal tools for recent Mcafee products:-

> Request assistance from here:

> http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/

> or download and run:

> http://www.majorgeeks.com/McAfee_Consumer_...Tool_d5420.html

> or

> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx...r=10005&type=TS

> or

> Download and run the McAfee Removal tool:

> https://us.mcafee.com/root/MCPR2.exe

> If you receive a security alert, click Yes.

> Click Save to download the file to a location on your computer.

> Navigate to the location where the file was saved.

> Ensure all McAfee application windows are closed.

> Double-click MCPR2.exe to run the removal tool.

> Note: Windows Vista users must right-click and select Run as Administrator.

> Restart your computer when prompted. Your McAfee products will not be fully

> removed until you restart.

> All McAfee products are now removed from your computer.'

> or

> Remove all remnants of McAfee...

> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Uninsta...oval-Tool.shtml

>

> How to uninstall or reinstall supported McAfee consumer products using the

> McAfee Consumer Products Removal tool (MCPR.exe)

> http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx...ee&type=TS&ia=1

>

> IMPORTANT: If your McAfee products were preinstalled by the manufacturer of

> your computer, please make sure to activate your McAfee subscription before

> uninstalling. Reinstalling from a CD or download will only install your

> McAfee consumer applications, but may not recover your paid subscription

> term information.

>

> There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has

> his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av

> application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other

> brand.

> The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed

> here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better

> for you depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.

> The way you use your PC is different from others.

> Have a look at this:

> http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

> and be guided accordingly.

> Good info can be obtained here:

> http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20

> and here:

> http://www.av-comparatives.org/

>

> If the above is too deluging consider this:-

> Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.

> Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!

> Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom

> Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.

>

> Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail

> http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/...nning/index.htm

> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/commun...corruption.mspx

>

> Avira AntiVirÂ® Personal - FREE Antivirus

> http://www.free-av.com/

> You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen'

> http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm

> or

> Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition

> It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs

> Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class

> GMER technology.

> http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

> (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident

> Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)

> or

> AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition

> http://free.grisoft.com/

> (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.)

> or

> ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free

> http://www.eset.com/

> or

> KasperskyÂ® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free

> http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser

>

> and (optional but highly recommendable)

>

> On-demand AV applications.

> (add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner).

> David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool

> http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe

> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

> English:

> http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/0...virus-for-free/

> Additional Instructions:

> http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm

> and/or

> http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/

> There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated

> several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever

> you want to do a scan.

>

> Dr.Web CureIt!Â® Utility - FREE

> http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/

>

> MalwarebytesÂ© Corporation - Anti-Malware

> http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe

> Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install.

>

> A-S applications - for non-viral malware.

> The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and

> oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that

> cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple

> products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what

> another may miss, (grab'em all).

>

> SuperAntispyware - Free

> http://www.superantispyware.com/superantis...efreevspro.html

> and

> Ad-Aware 2007 - Free

> http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

> http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html

> and

> Spybot Search & Destroy - Free

> http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

> and

> Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)

> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/s...re/default.mspx

> WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware

> and worms to install to the OS.

> Interesting reading:

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html

> "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects

> changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about

> the actual threat."

>

> A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for

> "malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of

> malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.

> What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the

> term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware

> and adware.

>

> Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the

> list as far as finding virusmalwaretrojan.

>

> You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in

> itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

>

> Managing the Windows Vista Firewall

> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx

>

> Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available).

> Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing

> activity, controls applications internet access.

> http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/

> The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under

> the "Download and Buy" link.

>

> Good luck style_emoticons/

Hi,

Taking the advice of several posters, I downloaded Avast, and then

deleted Norton 360 with the Norton Removal Tool. My computer now runs

much faster than before, a major improvement. Free is also nice.

Thanks for the good advice.

Morton Linder

July 29, 2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:50:07 -0400, +Bob+ wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman

> <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote:

>

>>On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>>

>><snip>

>>

>>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and

>>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely

>>> affecting your computer's performance.

>>

>>In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with

>>pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good style_emoticons/

>

> I might take exception to that. I used to consult at a major computer

> manufacturer ($20b+ in sales). The corporate standard was to use

> Norton. I often brought in hardware when I was there. One day I

> noticed a serious speed difference in network copying between the

> Norton encrusted systems and my own. So, we did some testing. We used

> very strict and repetitive test conditions on their Norton bound

> systems. The end result was that having Norton turned on during

> network copies slowed the copies by a factor of about 22 times.

>

> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a

> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It

> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem

> to think it would matter to customers.

>

> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in

> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off

> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz

July 29, 2008

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman

<kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> > Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and

> > McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely

> > affecting your computer's performance.

>

> In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with

> pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good style_emoticons/

Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with

the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it

too.

I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost

everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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July 30, 2008

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:54:48 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:15:01 +0700, Kayman

> <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

>>

>> <snip>

>>

>>> Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and

>>> McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely

>>> affecting your computer's performance.

>>

>> In all fairness, it's their retail version which can play havoc with

>> pc's. AFAIK the corporate isues are pretty good style_emoticons/

>

> Yes, I understand the same thing. I have no personal experience with

> the corporate version of Norton, but I've heard good things about it

> too.

>

> I was referring only to the retail version, which is what almost

> everyone here means when they talk about their anti-virus software.

Yes, you're right. My reponse was probably too trivial; Sorry about that.

July 30, 2008

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:13 +0700, Kayman

<kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote:

>>

>> We started researching in Norton's support database and there was a

>> bulletin on the problem as a "known issue" with network copying. It

>> had been a known issue since Windows 95. Apparently they didn't seem

>> to think it would matter to customers.

>>

>> I have to be fair to Nor ton that I have not done these tests again in

>> the last couple years - but I started advising everyone to take it off

>> their systems back then and I don't feel guilty still advising that.

>

>you seem to be pretty up-to-date, got any more tales to tell? Zzzzzzzzzz

Perhaps you can't read between the lines. Let me help you out: The

point is that any company that would have this kind of major flaw in

their software for years and leave it unfixed has no concern for the

customers, even their (most important) corporate customers. Their only

concern was to document it as "known issue".

If you want to business with a company with those policies, go for it.

You can let us know which flaws you find in the latest version. I'll

go with a product without known serious flaws.

July 30, 2008

+Bob+ wrote: