Guest mikk Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every process there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of processes). Why this horrible design in AVG8? NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all processes! Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to worry about those issues. You can try it FREE for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm OneCare includes: -- An excellent antivirus application -- An excellent firewall application -- An excellent antispyware application -- Automatic system tune-ups -- Automatic hard drive defrag -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed -- Schedules automatic backups of important files -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "mikk" wrote: AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every process there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of processes). Why this horrible design in AVG8? NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all processes! Quote
Guest Malke Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. > > Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, > such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to > worry about those issues. You can try it FREE > for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version > and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm > > OneCare includes: > > -- An excellent antivirus application > -- An excellent firewall application > -- An excellent antispyware application > -- Automatic system tune-ups > -- Automatic hard drive defrag > -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed > -- Schedules automatic backups of important files > -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work > exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. > -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions > -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application > > </span> Lord, Carey you'd think you worked for the company what with these commercials you keep posting. While OneCare may be better than it was (it can hardly be worse), it is still not particularly good. In addition it is rather invasive, you can't install some other antimalware programs, and you must have a Windows Live account to use it. Not recommended for all those reasons. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest Malke Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 mikk wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every > process > there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of > processes). Why this horrible design in AVG8? > > NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all > processes!</span> Uninstall it if you don't like it. I haven't recommended it for years. Or post on their user forums. AVG Free Support Forum - http://freeforum.avg.com/ My own preferences are for NOD32, Kaspersky, or even Avast if you must have a free one. I do not recommend Windows Live OneCare. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest mikk Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it.</span> I'm happy with AVG8, although it has some design flaws <span style="color:blue"> > Install a comprehensive, security program,</span> I don't like the security suites! Too bloated, too intrusive, too useless! <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent antivirus application</span> I would like a Free Microsoft antivirus <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent firewall application</span> I just use the Windows Firewall <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent antispyware application</span> I just have the Windows Defender <span style="color:blue"> > -- Automatic system tune-ups</span> useless <span style="color:blue"> > -- Automatic hard drive defrag</span> I just have the built-in Vista automatic defrag Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5? -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:%23cFqDcB8IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. > > Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, > such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to > worry about those issues. You can try it FREE > for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version > and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm > > OneCare includes: > > -- An excellent antivirus application > -- An excellent firewall application > -- An excellent antispyware application > -- Automatic system tune-ups > -- Automatic hard drive defrag > -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed > -- Schedules automatic backups of important files > -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work > exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. > -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions > -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application > > </span> Lord, Carey you'd think you worked for the company what with these commercials you keep posting. While OneCare may be better than it was (it can hardly be worse), it is still not particularly good. In addition it is rather invasive, you can't install some other antimalware programs, and you must have a Windows Live account to use it. Not recommended for all those reasons. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Well, I don't think any AVG developers who designed AVG visit the Windows Vista newsgroups. Did you try to contact AVG support? Likely not since there is no support for the free copy of AVG! Shame! -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "mikk" <mikk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:FD9846FB-8465-43E0-8B67-0ACCFA661BF3@microsoft.com... "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it.</span> I'm happy with AVG8, although it has some design flaws <span style="color:blue"> > Install a comprehensive, security program,</span> I don't like the security suites! Too bloated, too intrusive, too useless! <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent antivirus application</span> I would like a Free Microsoft antivirus <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent firewall application</span> I just use the Windows Firewall <span style="color:blue"> > -- An excellent antispyware application</span> I just have the Windows Defender <span style="color:blue"> > -- Automatic system tune-ups</span> useless <span style="color:blue"> > -- Automatic hard drive defrag</span> I just have the built-in Vista automatic defrag Quote
Guest Nonny Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:03:09 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: > >Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? > >Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? > >Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5?</span> I do believe that you are in over your head (again). She actually works on computers, while all you do is copy-and-paste replies to posts here and in the XP groups. <span style="color:blue"> >-- >Carey Frisch >Microsoft MVP >Windows Desktop Experience - >Windows Vista Enthusiast > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:%23cFqDcB8IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. >> >> Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, >> such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >> worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >> for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >> and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! >> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm >> >> OneCare includes: >> >> -- An excellent antivirus application >> -- An excellent firewall application >> -- An excellent antispyware application >> -- Automatic system tune-ups >> -- Automatic hard drive defrag >> -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed >> -- Schedules automatic backups of important files >> -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work >> exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. >> -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions >> -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application >> >> </span> > >Lord, Carey you'd think you worked for the company what with these >commercials you keep posting. While OneCare may be better than it was (it >can hardly be worse), it is still not particularly good. In addition it is >rather invasive, you can't install some other antimalware programs, and you >must have a Windows Live account to use it. > >Not recommended for all those reasons. > >Malke</span> Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Not at all! I would just like some clarification of some statements made which were general in nature. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:71ip84l4qg7o5djlts3n482h0cq0sec6r2@4ax.com... On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:03:09 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: > >Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? > >Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? > >Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5?</span> I do believe that you are in over your head (again). She actually works on computers, while all you do is copy-and-paste replies to posts here and in the XP groups. <span style="color:blue"> >-- >Carey Frisch >Microsoft MVP >Windows Desktop Experience - >Windows Vista Enthusiast > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Malke" <malke@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:%23cFqDcB8IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. >> >> Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, >> such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >> worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >> for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >> and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! >> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm >> >> OneCare includes: >> >> -- An excellent antivirus application >> -- An excellent firewall application >> -- An excellent antispyware application >> -- Automatic system tune-ups >> -- Automatic hard drive defrag >> -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed >> -- Schedules automatic backups of important files >> -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work >> exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. >> -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions >> -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application >> >> </span> > >Lord, Carey you'd think you worked for the company what with these >commercials you keep posting. While OneCare may be better than it was (it >can hardly be worse), it is still not particularly good. In addition it is >rather invasive, you can't install some other antimalware programs, and you >must have a Windows Live account to use it. > >Not recommended for all those reasons. > >Malke</span> Quote
Guest Nonny Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:48 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Not at all! I would just like some clarification of >some statements made which were general in nature.</span> If she comes back with convincing material, will you stop being a spammer/shill for OneCare??? Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Sure. I'll even uninstall it from all three of my malware-free computers. BTW, I'm not a "shill". I only make recommendations based upon my own personal use and experience with a product. Also, since I installed OneCare on several friend's PCs who used to attract malware like a magnet, I've not had a single request to "come fix my computer" in the past year and a half. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:v7jp84h10g9op3msl50a3criprl05ks5tn@4ax.com... On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:48 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Not at all! I would just like some clarification of >some statements made which were general in nature.</span> If she comes back with convincing material, will you stop being a spammer/shill for OneCare??? Quote
Guest Nonny Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:50:22 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Sure. I'll even uninstall it from all three of my malware-free computers. >BTW, I'm not a "shill". I only make recommendations based upon my >own personal use and experience with a product. > >Also, since I installed OneCare on several friend's PCs who used to >attract malware like a magnet, I've not had a single request to >"come fix my computer" in the past year and a half.</span> I have never had OneCare on my computer, and I have yet to get a virus or have my computer infested with malware. And I haven't had to pay $50/yr to stay that way. <span style="color:blue"> > >-- >Carey Frisch >Microsoft MVP >Windows Desktop Experience - >Windows Vista Enthusiast > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:v7jp84h10g9op3msl50a3criprl05ks5tn@4ax.com... >On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:23:48 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" ><cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >>Not at all! I would just like some clarification of >>some statements made which were general in nature.</span> > >If she comes back with convincing material, will you stop being a >spammer/shill for OneCare???</span> Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Well Barney, you are a user that apparently is quite knowledgeable of computing and will take measures to secure your PC. But what about those users who are not so computer literate and haven't a clue about securing and maintaining their PC? I have several friends who use computer programs better than I, but cannot grasp the importance of PC security and safe internet surfing habits. For those folks, a comprehensive OneCare installation fits the bill! Cost of OneCare? If you shop around like I do, you can purchase OneCare from third-party sources such as amazon.com and get it for $19.99. That's $19.99 for three (3) computers or $6.67 per computer per year! So for $6.67, I do not have to worry about my friend's computers not having proper Microsoft Updates, not having a good antivirus, antispyware or firewall, and not having a disk cleanup or defrag performed on a regular basis. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" wrote: I have never had OneCare on my computer, and I have yet to get a virus or have my computer infested with malware. And I haven't had to pay $50/yr to stay that way. Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 SPAM -- <span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. > > Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, > such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to > worry about those issues. You can try it FREE > for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version > and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm > > OneCare includes: > > -- An excellent antivirus application > -- An excellent firewall application > -- An excellent antispyware application > -- Automatic system tune-ups > -- Automatic hard drive defrag > -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed > -- Schedules automatic backups of important files > -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work > exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP. > -- Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions > -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application > > > -- > Carey Frisch > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience - > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > "mikk" wrote: > > AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every process > there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of processes). > Why this horrible design in AVG8? > > NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all > processes! > > </span> Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 If you are unhappy with AVG, try Avast. Don't touch Live One Care; it is bloated GARBAGE. http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html Avast Anti-Virus is Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE, auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer. And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at any one time.. Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one). -- Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia "mikk" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every process > there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of processes). > Why this horrible design in AVG8? > > NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all > processes! > </span> Quote
Guest Nonny Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:21:19 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Well Barney, you are a user that apparently is quite >knowledgeable of computing and will take measures >to secure your PC. But what about those users who >are not so computer literate and haven't a clue >about securing and maintaining their PC? I have >several friends who use computer programs better >than I, but cannot grasp the importance of PC security >and safe internet surfing habits. For those folks, >a comprehensive OneCare installation fits the bill! > >Cost of OneCare? If you shop around like I do, you >can purchase OneCare from third-party sources such >as amazon.com and get it for $19.99. That's $19.99 >for three (3) computers or $6.67 per computer per year!</span> The FIRST year... RIGHT? What about at the end of that year? Kinda like signing up with the cable company for VOIP phone service for $9.99/mo with unlimited long distance, but at the end of six months, watch out for the REAL price. Still, I don't have three computers, only two. Most folks have only one. And virtually ALL of the services available in OneCare are either already available to me in Vista, or I have third-party software installed that perform the same tasks as well or better. Don't need it. Don't want it. <span style="color:blue"> >So for $6.67, I do not have to worry about my friend's >computers not having proper Microsoft Updates, not >having a good antivirus, antispyware or firewall, and not >having a disk cleanup or defrag performed on a regular basis.</span> Quote
Guest Malke Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: > > Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? > > Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? > > Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5? > > > </span> Yes, I've seen what it does (and doesn't do) on clients' machines. I won't install it. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Same price if available. You don't have to purchase or renew a OneCare subscription directly from Microsoft. At the end of the subscription, simply shop around for the best price for a new OneCare license. In other words, there is no subscription contract with Microsoft and certainly no obligation to renew. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" wrote: The FIRST year... RIGHT? What about at the end of that year? Kinda like signing up with the cable company for VOIP phone service for $9.99/mo with unlimited long distance, but at the end of six months, watch out for the REAL price. Still, I don't have three computers, only two. Most folks have only one. And virtually ALL of the services available in OneCare are either already available to me in Vista, or I have third-party software installed that perform the same tasks as well or better. Don't need it. Don't want it. <span style="color:blue"> >So for $6.67, I do not have to worry about my friend's >computers not having proper Microsoft Updates, not >having a good antivirus, antispyware or firewall, and not >having a disk cleanup or defrag performed on a regular basis.</span> Quote
Guest Carey Frisch [MVP] Posted July 27, 2008 Posted July 27, 2008 Well, your respond certainly tells us a lot! I guess you're not able to effectively communicate exactly what OneCare "does (and doesn't do)". -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Malke" wrote: Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: > > Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? > > Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? > > Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5? > > > </span> Yes, I've seen what it does (and doesn't do) on clients' machines. I won't install it. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ Quote
Guest Milo Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 Well in my stand point AVAST has a lot of False Positive as we call it in the Anti-malware/virus business. For the AVG user whose having such concern, first download a new installer go offline just to be sure, remove ( completer removal registry hive and binary folders ) of your currrently installed AVG8 and then reinstall it please. And for the onecare yes I've used it ( Look for me in Onecare Forums ), I would say its fine, other recommendations would be Kaspersky, Trend Micro and Bitdefender, but wait up you can have windows defender for free save you money just stay safe over the web and on downloading. No Anti-virus can say it can protect you all 100% of it "Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:9A32BD14-F09B-4595-9794-4FC73AE499E0@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG, try Avast. > Don't touch Live One Care; it is bloated GARBAGE. > > http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html > > Avast Anti-Virus is Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE, > auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer. > And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at > any > one time.. > Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one). > > -- > Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia > > > "mikk" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every >> process >> there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of >> processes). >> Why this horrible design in AVG8? >> >> NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all >> processes! >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Mikep Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 But then, Malke brings a ton of credibility -- something you are sorely lacking! Malke has years of experience on 100's or 1000's of pc's. And you... <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>I only make recommendations based upon my >>own personal use and experience with a product.</span></span> Disclaimer: Not affiliated with, etc -- personal experience available on request. M "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:OiZ%23O%23D8IHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Well, your respond certainly tells us a lot! I guess you're not able to > effectively communicate exactly what OneCare "does (and doesn't do)". > > -- > Carey Frisch > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience - > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Malke" wrote: > > Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics: >> >> Specifically, why do you say "it is still not particularly good"? >> >> Specifically, why to you say "it is rather invasive"? >> >> Specifically, have you even used/tested the new OneCare v2.5? >> >> >></span> > > Yes, I've seen what it does (and doesn't do) on clients' machines. I won't > install it. > > Malke > -- > MS-MVP > Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! > FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ > </span> Quote
Guest Hank Arnold (MVP) Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Well Barney, you are a user that apparently is quite > knowledgeable of computing and will take measures > to secure your PC. But what about those users who > are not so computer literate and haven't a clue > about securing and maintaining their PC? I have > several friends who use computer programs better > than I, but cannot grasp the importance of PC security > and safe internet surfing habits. For those folks, > a comprehensive OneCare installation fits the bill! > > Cost of OneCare? If you shop around like I do, you > can purchase OneCare from third-party sources such > as amazon.com and get it for $19.99. That's $19.99 > for three (3) computers or $6.67 per computer per year! > > So for $6.67, I do not have to worry about my friend's > computers not having proper Microsoft Updates, not > having a good antivirus, antispyware or firewall, and not > having a disk cleanup or defrag performed on a regular basis. > </span> Carey, I'm not a One Care fan, but it's certainly one program to consider.... It's basically pointless to even respond to folks like Barney (Rubble?).... Just put him in your "kill" file and move on. At one point I was a charter member of the Dell Bot society... ;-) IIRC, I also was a "Dell wh re... ;-) Basically, if you have (MVP) in your sig and you have the temerity to endorse a Microsoft program, you are a "shill". I think that Barney has a basic dislike of MS and anyone who dares to support them. There are times I'd love to let them peek at some of the threads in the MVP private ngs. Might surprise them the comments they see... ;-) I'm putting this thread in the "Ignore" category and Barney in my Kill File... -- Regards, Hank Arnold Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Directory Services Quote
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted July 28, 2008 Posted July 28, 2008 On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:16:54 -0400, "Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Basically, if you have (MVP) in your sig and you have the temerity to >endorse a Microsoft program, you are a "shill". I think that Barney has >a basic dislike of MS and anyone who dares to support them.</span> Sorry, Hank old boy. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm quite the "fanboy" of MS products dating all the way back to the days of DOS. I even attended a special rollout of DOS 5.0 at a downtown Chicago Hotel (The Bismark) when Bill Gates was shown on huge projection TV screens all over the country (satellite transmission). Commemorative t-shirts were given to all attendees and we were able to buy the boxed version at the event. I'm just not a fan of Carey and his recommendation. Quote
Guest SG Posted July 29, 2008 Posted July 29, 2008 "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:ePdGWNB8IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > If you are unhappy with AVG8, then uninstall it. > > Install a robust, comprehensive, security program, > such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to > worry about those issues. You can try it FREE > for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version > and is very robust! Uses very little system resources! > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm ></span> SNIPPED-comments inline below. -- <span style="color:blue"> > Carey Frisch > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience - > Windows Vista Enthusiast > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > "mikk" wrote: > > AVG8 loads avgrsstx.dll inside of each loaded process i.e. in every > process > there's a pointer of 4K to avgrsstx.dll (It uses 4K x number of > processes). > Why this horrible design in AVG8? > > NB. Use SysInternals Process Explorer to see these DLLs injected on all > processes! ></span> Inquiring minds would like to know some specifics indeed Carey. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>An excellent antivirus application<<</span></span> That's only an opinion.This site at least seems fare and independent. http://www.consumersearch.com/www/software...ve-onecare.html <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>An excellent firewall application<<</span></span> Again, seems to be your opinion. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>An excellent antispyware application<<</span></span> Same as above. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>Automatic system tune-ups<<</span></span> Whoa, now that's were I start having trouble with this automatic crap. You mean you trust any program to tune up your system without knowing what goes on behind the scenes. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>Automatic hard drive defrag<<</span></span> Well for XP I guess that's a feature, but Vista already has this, so why pay again? <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>Checks for updates to be sure they are installed<<</span></span> Nothing new here at all and again another useless service you have to pay for? <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>Schedules automatic backups of important files<<</span></span> No big deal here either. If they backup to the hard drive it's not safe and if a USB most forget to take it out and store in a safe place. Automatic backups has been around for a long time, so again nothing new. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>-- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work exceptionally well >>with Windows Vista & XP.<<</span></span> Huh? you're saying it wasn't designed to work exceptionally well before? <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>Compatible with Windows Vista 64-bit versions<<</span></span> Wow now that's something new :>) <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >>All-in-one convenient, easy to install application<<</span></span> Paper will lay and let you write what you will on it. I've come close to commenting before Carey about your broiler plate replies, but held off. Now someone has broke the ice I thought I have a say as well. Nothing wrong with posting what you believe in Carey, but for this product you seem to go really overboard, sorry but that's just the way it seems to me. If you like a product that much that's fine, just don't expect others to jump right onboard with you. -- All the best, SG Is your computer system ready for Vista? https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/ Want to keep up with the latest news from MS? http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=t Just type in Microsoft Quote
Guest Pete Stavrakoglou Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:uWmEQ5B8IHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Not at all! I would just like some clarification of > some statements made which were general in nature.</span> Carey, in all fairness you also make general statements about One Care without any verification that they are correct. It's not only a negative claim that needs verification, positive ones do also. The first version of this package was horrible, it was simply useless. I'm sure they've improved but there are still free applications that are available that do as good or better a job than One Care does. Quote
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