Guest ~BD~ Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Every computer connected to the internet is vulnerable to fraud and computer vandalism. This leaves our pockets prey to the software protection industry's heavy charges to keep us safe. Yet it's possible to get legal, professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely free. Every computer connected to the internet is vulnerable to fraud and computer vandalism. This leaves our pockets prey to the software protection industry's heavy charges to keep us safe. Yet it's possible to get legal, professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely free. Please read here:- http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/...-virus-software Quote
Guest Leonard Grey Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Spam This troll has already been banned from several groups. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est ~BD~ wrote: Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 The truth. Mr Grey - you know full well that this item is NOT SPAM. I suspect that you didn't even take the trouble to review the information posted. Dave -- "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message news:uBSdboU$IHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > This troll has already been banned from several groups. > --- > Leonard Grey > Errare humanum est > > ~BD~ wrote: > </span> Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: The truth. But, you are a tin-foil hatted troll that has been banned from several groups. "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:OYD8TlV$IHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... : Mr Grey - you know full well that this item is NOT SPAM. : : I suspect that you didn't even take the trouble to review the information : posted. : : Dave : : -- : "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message : news:uBSdboU$IHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... : > This troll has already been banned from several groups. : > --- : > Leonard Grey : > Errare humanum est : > : > ~BD~ wrote: : > : : Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: The truth. On 13 Aug, 16:55, "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <t...@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > But, you are a tin-foil hatted troll that has been banned from several > groups.</span> Perhaps you should confirm here for all to read that I ......... BoaterDave (AKA ~BD~ ) ........ has been banned from NO Microsoft groups at all. None! I'd appreciate your honesty in this regard, Tom. TIA. Dave Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Re: The truth. From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> | But, you are a tin-foil hatted troll that has been banned from several | groups. Y E S ! However, the original post was not spam. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Dan Posted August 13, 2008 Posted August 13, 2008 Sorry, Boater Dave, I don't like the advertisements on this site. The following should provide users with better choices of what to view to understand web external security and internal safety of 9x and NT operating systems. For a more detailed explaination of 9x consumer operating systems compared to NT operating systems then just research it with Wikipedia. In addition, I have read Microsoft eliminated the 9x consumer source code to save money and that it has never been leaked over the Internet as the Windows NT source code has. Finally, Chris Quirke, MVP rightly argues that Windows 2000, XP and Vista all lack an internal maintenance operating system that is Disk Operating System for Windows 98 Second Edition. This is just my 3 sense <2 cents> for what little worth it may be to someone someday somewhere out there over the rainbow. Over and Out, from Sky and Living in the Clouds of Dreamland<aka Dreamworld shall we say-- grins> A Question we should all be asking is "Will I Ever Escape From The Matrix" LOL, Dan W. Computer Gamer signing off us-cert.gov http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm http://cquirke.blogspot.com/ http://secunia.com/ (note use search box to search for vulnerabilities within software that is used for computing environments --- eg. Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows Vista, Windows 98 Second Edition, Apple Safari, Mozilla Firefox, Internet Explorer 7, etc. --- end note) --------------------------------------Boater Dave's Post----------------------- "~BD~" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Every computer connected to the internet is vulnerable to fraud and computer > vandalism. This leaves our pockets prey to the software protection > industry's heavy charges to keep us safe. Yet it's possible to get legal, > professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely > free. > > Every computer connected to the internet is vulnerable to fraud and computer > vandalism. This leaves our pockets prey to the software protection > industry's heavy charges to keep us safe. Yet it's possible to get legal, > professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely > free. > > Please read here:- > http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/...-virus-software > > > > </span> Quote
Guest Anteaus Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software is sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, and certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones. "~BD~" wrote: Yet it's possible to get legal, <span style="color:blue"> > professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely > free.</span> Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 G'day: "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D5DC6EDE-5EC4-4BA6-A203-05B8F1C3449C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software > is > sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, > and > certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE > better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones.</span> True. It would be good to add links to some credible AV tests, like http://av-test.org/ -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- http://sl.mvps.org http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp Quote
Guest Dan Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 However, false positives seem to have gone up recently with anti-virus products and thus I see the quality of many anti-virus products as going down-hill. Where is the accountability that used to be in the anti-virus industry or is this just an overall software security trend of products being worse because of more false positives? "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > G'day: > > "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D5DC6EDE-5EC4-4BA6-A203-05B8F1C3449C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > > > The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software > > is > > sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, > > and > > certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE > > better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones.</span> > > True. It would be good to add links to some credible AV tests, like > > http://av-test.org/ > > > -- > Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE > -= F1 is the key =- > > http://sl.mvps.org http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp > > > </span> Quote
Guest Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D5DC6EDE-5EC4-4BA6-A203-05B8F1C3449C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software > is > sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, > and > certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE > better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones. > > "~BD~" wrote: > > Yet it's possible to get legal,<span style="color:green"> >> professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely >> free.</span> ></span> Agreed. In fact, the included security suite is probably one of the ones that screws up and slows down Windows. -- Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM Do not reply with email Quote
Guest Dan Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 True, I hate the craplets and would also go with a clean install of my own and a customized machine if and when realistic but I know that cannot be realistic for big businesses. I like SpywareBlaster and Spybot Search and Destroy for anti-spyware. I like AVG 7.5 for anti-virus. I am still undecided about Windows Live One Care but I am using it on a trial basis for now. What about everyone else and what are your security and safety measures that you use to protect your computers. Thanks in advance for the replies. "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D5DC6EDE-5EC4-4BA6-A203-05B8F1C3449C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > > > The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software > > is > > sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, > > and > > certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE > > better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones. > > > > "~BD~" wrote: > > > > Yet it's possible to get legal,<span style="color:darkred"> > >> professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely > >> free.</span> > ></span> > > Agreed. In fact, the included security suite is probably one of the ones > that screws up and slows down Windows. > > -- > Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM > Do not reply with email > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CB944F77-D28C-4AB8-9A1D-C2DBAE0DEB43@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Sorry, Boater Dave, I don't like the advertisements on this site.</span> <snip> I'm sorry about the advertisements, Dan ............ it's a great 'saving money' site for those in the UK, and the adverts. are the price 'we' have to pay to get really good FREE advice! Thanks for the links you posted. FWIW I personally no of no-one who is still using Windows 98! <smile!> Dave Quote
Guest AlmostBob Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 Re: Ooops! on a completely unrelated note DOS3.31 is amazingly fast on a p4 -- Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de spybot http://www.safer-networking.org AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/ActiveScan/ Catalog of removal tools (1) http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/ Catalog of removal tools (2) http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinf....aspx?CID=40387 Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before use Grateful thanks to the authors and webmasters _ "~BD~" <~BD~@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:Ob78kGj$IHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Sorry - KNOW of no-one! > > BD > -- > > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:DB523A42-A8A8-4437-94BC-4F7A5074834E@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > True, I hate the craplets and would also go with a clean install of my own > and a customized machine if and when realistic but I know that cannot be > realistic for big businesses. I like SpywareBlaster and Spybot Search and > Destroy for anti-spyware. I like AVG 7.5 for anti-virus. I am still > undecided about Windows Live One Care but I am using it on a trial basis > for > now. What about everyone else and what are your security and safety > measures > that you use to protect your computers. Thanks in advance for the > replies.</span> I have two laptops on a wireless LAN, one Vista and one XP. Both have the Windows firewall enabled - plus when I'm behind the wireless access point/router I have that, which is the best type of firewall. The firewall applications I feel are a good thing to have just in case I use someone elses access point for my connection. On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire). On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a high risk user - so they'll do just fine. I use anti-otherware when it pleases me, and the "Defender" that my Vista OS came with is always enabled. I also make use of the malicious software removal tool through Windows Update. I use harddrive imaging software, and full and incremental backup as backup plans, and preinstallation environment disks for lack of good ol' DOS as a maintenance OS. One good thing about anti-everything suites preinstalled on a new OS is that you can't experience any slow-down. Although you can experience a significant speed-up if you remove them <G>. Quote
Guest Joan Archer Posted August 14, 2008 Posted August 14, 2008 One good thing about my new Vista machine is that it didn't come with a load of crap installed. It just had the OS and a trial version of Live OneCare that I removed. On that machine I have NOD32 v3 anti-virus the built in firewall and Windows Defender, on my XP machine I have the free version of Avast with the built in firewall and Windows Defender and the WinME machine has the free AVG anti-virus ZoneAlarm free firewall. They all have SpywareBlaster and SuperAntiSpyware installed and are all behind a NAT router. -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher http://lachsoft.com/photogallery "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:uJeNimk$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > snip> > One good thing about anti-everything suites preinstalled on a new > OS is that you can't experience any slow-down. Although you can > experience a significant speed-up if you remove them <G>. > </span> Quote
Guest Kayman Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:02 -0700, Dan wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > True, I hate the craplets and would also go with a clean install of my own > and a customized machine if and when realistic but I know that cannot be > realistic for big businesses. I like SpywareBlaster and Spybot Search and > Destroy for anti-spyware.</span> You could add SAS to your arsenal of A-S apps.: SuperAntispyware - Free http://www.superantispyware.com/superantis...efreevspro.html <span style="color:blue"> > I like AVG 7.5 for anti-virus. </span> AVG lost its lustre. Good alternatives are: Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus http://www.free-av.com/ (The free version won't scan your emails.) You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen' http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm or Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class GMER technology. http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.) Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/...nning/index.htm <span style="color:blue"> > I am still undecided about Windows Live One Care but I am using > it on a trial basis for now.</span> IMO, WLOC is not worth having; Good quality AV apps. are freely available including the additions it (WLOC) incorporates. <span style="color:blue"> > What about everyone else and what are your security and safety measures > that you use to protect your computers. Thanks in advance for the replies.</span> If you are really concerned about security measures you may (as an average homeuser) wish to consider this: For WinXP the most dependable defenses are: 1. Do not work as Administrator; For day-to-day work routinely use a Limited User Account (LUA). 2. Secure (Harden) your operating system. 3. Don't expose services to public networks. 4. Keep your operating system (and all software on it) updated/patched. (Got SP3 yet?). 5. Reconsider the usage of IE and OE. 5a.Secure (Harden) Internet Explorer. 6. Review your installed 3rd party software applications/utilities; Remove clutter, including 3rd party software personal (so-called) firewall application (PFW) - the one which claims: "It can stop/control malicious outbound traffic". 7. If on dial-up Internet connection, activate the build-in firewall and configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135,137-139 and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed. 7a.If on high-speed Internet connection use a router. For the average homeuser it is suggested blocking both TCP and UDP ports 135 ~ 139 and 445 on the router and implement countermeasures against DNSChanger. (Is the Firmware of your router up-to-date?). And (just in case) Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) has been superseded by Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA). 8. Routinely practice Safe-Hex. Also, ensure you do: a. Regularly back-up data/files. b. Familiarize yourself with crash recovery tools and re-installing your operating system (OS). c. Utilize a good-quality real-time anti-virus application and some vital system monitoring utilities/applications. d. Keep abreast of the latest developments. And finally: Most computer magazines and/or (computer) specialized websites are biased i.e. heavily weighted towards the (advertisement) dollar almighty! Therefore: a. Be cautious selecting software applications touted in publications relying on advertisement revenue. b. Do take their test-results of various software with a considerable amount of salt! c. Which also applies to their 'investigative' in-depth test reports related to any software applications. d. Investigate claims made by software manufacturer prior downloading their software; Subscribing to noncommercial-type publications, specialized newsgroups and/or fora (to some extend) are a great way to find out the 'nitty-gritties' and to consider various options available. The least preferred defenses are: Myriads of popular anti-whatever applications and staying ignorant. Quote
Guest Milo Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 try this site for Security/Safety Software http://www.trendsecure.com http://www.trendmicro.com/download/apac/pr...sp?productid=87 "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D5DC6EDE-5EC4-4BA6-A203-05B8F1C3449C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > The point the OP makes about AV software is a very real one. AV software > is > sold by way of 'push install' onto new computers, not by consumer choice, > and > certainly not by quality ratings. In many cases the free offerings ARE > better in every respect than the expensive, foisted ones. > > "~BD~" wrote: > > Yet it's possible to get legal,<span style="color:green"> >> professional quality anti-virus and other protective software, absolutely >> free.</span> > </span> Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 G'day: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:uJeNimk$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire). > On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as > the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a > high risk user - so they'll do just fine.</span> Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product over freeware. Phone support? -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- http://sl.mvps.org http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp Quote
Guest Leonard Grey Posted August 15, 2008 Posted August 15, 2008 Really effective protection requires an enormous investment (in people, computers and software; maybe a building to house the above.) How does a free security suite pay for all that? Now there are circumstances that might enable free security software to be as effective as paid security software. For example, if a company sells high-priced enterprise security software to businesses, they may earn enough that they can afford to provide free versions of the software to individuals - in fact, that might be a marketing strategy. There are also organizations that sell paid and free versions of security software - no doubt the paid-for licenses subsidize the free licenses. But the free licenses lack features that many may not want to do without. Often, the support is reduced. We are all aware of free software that can stay free because there is a massive number of volunteers who combine their talents to produce a top-quality product. Think of Linux, or Mozilla. Other free software earns donations for the developer, although it's tough to get a mortgage on the basis of donations. Absent the above circumstances, I would not personally put my faith in free security software. At the end of the day (or the month) somebody needs to get paid for their efforts. But that's just my opinion. In any case, security software isn't the be-all and end-all of security anyway: "Ultimately, the only protection against phishing, forged Web pages, downloading malware, and other threats is the technology located between the user's ears." Mitch Wagner, Information Week November 21, 2007 --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est S. Pidgorny <MVP> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > G'day: > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message > news:uJeNimk$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > <span style="color:green"> >> On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire). >> On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as >> the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a >> high risk user - so they'll do just fine.</span> > > Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product > over freeware. Phone support? > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" <slavickp@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%23rxCPSr$IHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > G'day: > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message > news:uJeNimk$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... ><span style="color:green"> >> On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire). >> On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as >> the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a >> high risk user - so they'll do just fine.</span> > > Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product > over freeware. Phone support?</span> I'm low risk because of my computing habits (a little) and the low value of my data. High risk users should be willing to pay for the support behind the software product, and in most cases will also get a superior product to the free version. I refer specifically to anti-virus here because it is the work of people behind the scenes that makes a product superior. Although much good work is done by the freeware community, they would have to dedicate far too much time in order to amass the same amount of knowledge that some payware companies have over decades of evolution. Not to mention the ongoing research and real world sampling people would have to do - and people gotta eat! style_emoticons/) Quote
Guest Kayman Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:09:29 -0400, Leonard Grey wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Really effective protection requires an enormous investment (in people, > computers and software; maybe a building to house the above.) How does a > free security suite pay for all that? > > Now there are circumstances that might enable free security software to > be as effective as paid security software. For example, if a company > sells high-priced enterprise security software to businesses, they may > earn enough that they can afford to provide free versions of the > software to individuals - in fact, that might be a marketing strategy. > > There are also organizations that sell paid and free versions of > security software - no doubt the paid-for licenses subsidize the free > licenses. But the free licenses lack features that many may not want to > do without. Often, the support is reduced. > > We are all aware of free software that can stay free because there is a > massive number of volunteers who combine their talents to produce a > top-quality product. Think of Linux, or Mozilla. Other free software > earns donations for the developer, although it's tough to get a mortgage > on the basis of donations. > > Absent the above circumstances, I would not personally put my faith in > free security software. At the end of the day (or the month) somebody > needs to get paid for their efforts. > > But that's just my opinion. In any case, security software isn't the > be-all and end-all of security anyway: > > "Ultimately, the only protection against phishing, forged Web pages, > downloading malware, and other threats is the technology located between > the user's ears." > > Mitch Wagner, Information Week > November 21, 2007 > Leonard Grey > Errare humanum est</span> Well LG, Mitch Wagner either errs or is biased. I suspect the latter! I generally check credentials of authors writing articles/messages in advertisement sponsored publications. Mitch Wagner is an executive editor at InformationWeek. He would be responsible for the editorial aspects of publication and determines the final content of what is written in InformationWeek. I guess that like most magazines they rely on the advertisement dollar almighty! I take these messages with a ton of salt; And would advise anybody else to be extremely cautious of scaremongering tactics. BTW, what would happen if there was no free AV ware available? Do you realistically think that every user on this planet would go out and purchase one? Me thinks that sooner or later the net would come to a grinding halt; A great motivation (foresight?) for the makers of AV applications to offer workable free versions (albeit with limited features) of their products. Nuff' said :-) Quote
Guest Kayman Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:54:31 +1000, S. Pidgorny <MVP> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > G'day: > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message > news:uJeNimk$IHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > <span style="color:green"> >> On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire). >> On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as >> the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a >> high risk user - so they'll do just fine.</span> > > Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product > over freeware. Phone support?</span> Agree wholeheartedly. One only has to follow websites specializing in comparing AV programs. Or follow (uncountable) newsgroup messages in relation to WLOC, retail version of Norton, McAfee and TrenMicro...For the average homeuser free version of AntiVir or Avast are adequate (IMO). Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 16, 2008 Posted August 16, 2008 Re: The truth. "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:upVpdRY$IHA.872@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> > > | But, you are a tin-foil hatted troll that has been banned from several > | groups. > > Y E S ! > > However, the original post was not spam.> > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > ></span> Every engineer knows that in order to achieve true greatness, it is imperative to alway keep a clear, unclouded mind and to protect one's secrets from those who would seek to steal or plagiarize the radical new designs of a hard-working genius. The [Tinfoil Hat] is the logical result of this profound insight, combining tinfoil's powerful mental shielding properties with the excellent counter-hexing effect of troll tears and the outstanding mind-focus powers of one of Azeroth's most precious gems. However, besides keeping the wearer safe from mind spies and the thought police, it also removes the wearer's character profile from the World of Warcraft Armory to further guarantee that no one will be able to divine all of the wearer's tightly held secrets. Furthermore, wearers of the Tinfoil Hat will not show up in /who listings, and they will also be immune to inspection from other players. Reference: http://www.wowwiki.com/Introducing_the_Tinfoil_Hat Quote
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