Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing anti-spy / antivirus Only one malware remover software worked for me and that was Spyware Doctor by PC Tools. Malware Remover Software (that I've tried) Spyware Doctor (PC Tools) Clean Refresh (reformat & start over) Trend Micro AVG Mcafee Panda AV Avira Avast NOD32 Norton Kapersky Details Spyware Doctor Does the trick. Cheap, yet good. Bear in mind, that statement is valid right now. Who knows what the future holds. Clean Refresh You can bet that malware idiots will even outfox PC Tools someday soon. So the old clean refresh will become the number one again as it has for over a decade now. A clean refresh with a reformat, popping the battery on the motherboard is often the best and fastest choice. Trend Micro Takes a long time to scan your files and eats up resources only to leave a half dozen rogue software still affecting you. $49 per year. Save your money. AVG & Mcafee were always one of the better anti-malware software and still is, unfortunately, both are useless at removing today's latest greatest rogue malwares. Panda, Avira, NOD32, Avast - cheap, tiny & therefore useless. Norton, still the most overrated software company on the planet. I've had more headaches using Norton than the things it was meant to cure. Some of Norton's software in the packaged bundle is good; however not too much. Expensive, powerful, but defective. Kapersky was awful when it first came out, causing much more headaches than the actual virus' and spy software it was trying to kill. It's slllooowly improving over five years and counting. Expensive and resource hound. Here's what I do. I have two computers, a SAFE computer with all my work, everything I have is on it and it would take me hours to reset all the settings over again so I NEVER NEVER NEVER go online but to only a handful of sites I know to be malware free. The second PC is my ADVANTURE computer that I only use when testing unknown sites for the first time. The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the thing gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on that PC. Little time is lost. Best solution of all. Good luck and stay clean. Positive/negative feedback invited. Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 1. Symantec has an agreement to acquire PC Tools so expect the application to be history or ruined soon: http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release...rid=20080818_02 <span style="color:blue"> > Trend Micro > AVG > Mcafee > Panda AV > Avira > Avast > NOD32 > Norton > Kapersky</span> 2. NONE of the above are or include anti-spyware applications though some are able to identify & remove hijackware. Many of them will block the installation of hijackware or at least alert you to that fact that you're installing something untoward (or it's attempting to install). 3. Even Spyware Doctor can't identify & remove all hijackware. Nothing beats a good pair of eyes backed by intelligence and experience. -- ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing > anti-spy / antivirus > > Only one malware remover software worked for me and that was Spyware > Doctor by PC Tools. > > Malware Remover Software (that I've tried) > > Spyware Doctor (PC Tools) > Clean Refresh (reformat & start over) > Trend Micro > AVG > Mcafee > Panda AV > Avira > Avast > NOD32 > Norton > Kapersky > > > Details > > Spyware Doctor > Does the trick. Cheap, yet good. Bear in mind, that statement is valid > right now. Who knows what the future holds. > > Clean Refresh > You can bet that malware idiots will even outfox PC Tools someday > soon. So the old clean refresh will become the number one again as it > has for over a decade now. A clean refresh with a reformat, popping > the battery on the motherboard is often the best and fastest choice. > > Trend Micro > Takes a long time to scan your files and eats up resources only to > leave a half dozen rogue software still affecting you. $49 per year. > Save your money. > > AVG & Mcafee were always one of the better anti-malware software and > still is, unfortunately, both are useless at removing today's latest > greatest rogue malwares. > > Panda, Avira, NOD32, Avast - cheap, tiny & therefore useless. > > Norton, still the most overrated software company on the planet. I've > had more headaches using Norton than the things it was meant to cure. > Some of Norton's software in the packaged bundle is good; however not > too much. Expensive, powerful, but defective. > > Kapersky was awful when it first came out, causing much more headaches > than the actual virus' and spy software it was trying to kill. It's > slllooowly improving over five years and counting. Expensive and > resource hound. > > Here's what I do. I have two computers, a SAFE computer with all my > work, everything I have is on it and it would take me hours to reset > all the settings over again so I NEVER NEVER NEVER go online but to > only a handful of sites I know to be malware free. The second PC is my > ADVANTURE computer that I only use when testing unknown sites for the > first time. The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the > thing gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on > that PC. Little time is lost. Best solution of all. > > Good luck and stay clean. > > Positive/negative feedback invited. </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 Hi style_emoticons/ You said "The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the thing gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on that PC. Little time is lost. Best solution of all." Please will you expand ............ and advise exactly how you know that you have been "hit with malware". Many thanks, Dave -- <Stevepppp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2c19ee6c-aa7b-4edd-a9af-b646ebd803f9@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com... <snip> <span style="color:blue"> > Here's what I do. I have two computers, a SAFE computer with all my > work, everything I have is on it and it would take me hours to reset > all the settings over again so I NEVER NEVER NEVER go online but to > only a handful of sites I know to be malware free. The second PC is my > ADVANTURE computer that I only use when testing unknown sites for the > first time. The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the > thing gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on > that PC. Little time is lost. Best solution of all. > > Good luck and stay clean. > > Positive/negative feedback invited. > > </span> Quote
Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 On Aug 25, 3:07Â pm, "~BD~" <~...@nospam.invalid> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Hi style_emoticons/ > > You said "The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the thing > gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on that PC. > Little time is lost. Best solution of all." > > Please will you expand ............ and advise exactly how you know that > you have been "hit with malware". > > Many thanks, > > Dave > > -- > > <Stevep...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2c19ee6c-aa7b-4edd-a9af-b646ebd803f9@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > <snip> > > ><span style="color:green"> > > Here's what I do. I have two computers, a SAFE computer with all my > > work, everything I have is on it and it would take me hours to reset > > all the settings over again so I NEVER NEVER NEVER go online but to > > only a handful of sites I know to be malware free. The second PC is my > > ADVANTURE computer that I only use when testing unknown sites for the > > first time. The instant, I mean INSTANT, I get hit with malware, the > > thing gets turned off, I reformat and load a fresh copy of windows on > > that PC. Little time is lost. Best solution of all.</span> ><span style="color:green"> > > Good luck and stay clean.</span> ><span style="color:green"> > > Positive/negative feedback invited.- Hide quoted text -</span> > > - Show quoted text -</span> Quote
Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 On Aug 25, 2:23 pm, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > 1. Symantec has an agreement to acquire PC Tools so expect the application > to be history or ruined soon:http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release...rid=20080818_02</span> = 12 of this = a dozen of that = yawn <span style="color:blue"> ><span style="color:green"> > > Trend Micro > > AVG > > Mcafee > > Panda AV > > Avira > > Avast > > NOD32 > > Norton > > Kapersky</span> > > 2. NONE of the above are or include anti-spyware applications though some > are able to identify & remove hijackware. Many of them will block the > installation of hijackware or at least alert you to that fact that you're > installing something untoward (or it's attempting to install).</span> Try all of them. <span style="color:blue"> > > 3. Even Spyware Doctor can't identify & remove all hijackware. Nothing > beats a good pair of eyes backed by intelligence and experience.</span> Dream on. On Aug 25, 3:07 pm, "~BD~" <~...@nospam.invalid> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Please will you expand ............ and advise exactly how you know that > you have been "hit with malware". ></span> You don't know what malware is? Can you say 2008. Quote
Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 On Aug 25, 4:28Â pm, Stevep...@gmail.com wrote: Windows has it's own malware remover .. errr "remove only the easy malware" remover. START ==> RUN ==> Type MRT.EXE. Again this doesn't kill the most latest robust rogue stuff, but it's free and fast, so it's worth one pass anyway. Quote
Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Malwarebytes software removes all malware fast and easy. You can see where to get it from this Youtube presentation here: All the other aforementioned so-called anti-malware software are actually malware themselves. I'd bet real money that many or even most of these companies are the very sources that infect pcs. Quote
Guest S. Pidgorny Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 G'day: Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote: <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> 3. Even Spyware Doctor can't identify & remove all hijackware. Nothing >> beats a good pair of eyes backed by intelligence and experience.</span> > > Dream on.</span> Nothing beats that in preventing malware infection. -- Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE -= F1 is the key =- http://sl.mvps.org http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 <Stevepppp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:562d7032-1027-44a0-9b42-855c0ac4d200@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Malwarebytes software removes all malware fast and easy. > > You can see where to get it from this Youtube presentation here: > > > All the other aforementioned so-called anti-malware software are > actually malware themselves. I'd bet real money that many or even most > of these companies are the very sources that infect pcs. ></span> Forgive me ? ......... Steve? ............. but I cannot see, anywhere, your answer to my question. Have I missed it - or aren't you going to tell me? My current understanding is that the 'best' malware may be surrepticiously installed on a computer without the knowledge of a user and might well remain undetected thereafter - unless one goes looking for it. If you don't look, HOW do you know you have been 'hit'? Dave Quote
Guest Ken Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing > anti-spy / antivirus > (snip)</span> On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the best solution" I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other software) reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: this is pre-SP2) I'm current on all XP Pro updates. Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload? Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message news:uaqKmH8BJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing >> anti-spy / antivirus >> (snip)</span> > > On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the best > solution" > > I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other software) > reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: this is > pre-SP2) > > I'm current on all XP Pro updates. > Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload?</span> Is there an "Access IBM" button on your keyboard? Quote
Guest Ken Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 FromTheRafters wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message > news:uaqKmH8BJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing >>> anti-spy / antivirus >>> (snip)</span> >> On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the best >> solution" >> >> I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other software) >> reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: this is >> pre-SP2) >> >> I'm current on all XP Pro updates. >> Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload?</span> > > Is there an "Access IBM" button on your keyboard? > > </span> Not on the kewyboard but I do have the Access IBM folder Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message news:%23ZNEeVECJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > FromTheRafters wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message >> news:uaqKmH8BJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing >>>> anti-spy / antivirus >>>> (snip) >>> On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the >>> best solution" >>> >>> I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other software) >>> reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: this is >>> pre-SP2) >>> >>> I'm current on all XP Pro updates. >>> Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload?</span> >> >> Is there an "Access IBM" button on your keyboard?</span> > Not on the kewyboard but I do have the Access IBM folder</span> Mine is c:\program files\ibm\access ibm\aibm.exe Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 <Stevepppp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:44ff1087-fdde-4481-96a0-34feea1e15c0@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Aug 25, 2:23 pm, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> 1. Symantec has an agreement to acquire PC Tools so expect the >> application >> to be history or ruined >> soon:http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release...rid=20080818_02</span> > > = 12 of this = a dozen of that = yawn ><span style="color:green"> >><span style="color:darkred"> >> > Trend Micro >> > AVG >> > Mcafee >> > Panda AV >> > Avira >> > Avast >> > NOD32 >> > Norton >> > Kapersky</span> >> >> 2. NONE of the above are or include anti-spyware applications though some >> are able to identify & remove hijackware. Many of them will block the >> installation of hijackware or at least alert you to that fact that you're >> installing something untoward (or it's attempting to install).</span> > > Try all of them. > ><span style="color:green"> >> >> 3. Even Spyware Doctor can't identify & remove all hijackware. Nothing >> beats a good pair of eyes backed by intelligence and experience.</span> > > Dream on. > > > > > > On Aug 25, 3:07 pm, "~BD~" <~...@nospam.invalid> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Please will you expand ............ and advise exactly how you know >> that >> you have been "hit with malware". >></span> > You don't know what malware is? Can you say 2008. > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 <span style="color:blue"> > On Aug 25, 3:07 pm, "~BD~" <~...@nospam.invalid> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Please will you expand ............ and advise exactly how you know >> that >> you have been "hit with malware". >></span> > You don't know what malware is? Can you say 2008.</span> Please answer my question. My current understanding is that the 'best' malware may be surrepticiously installed on a computer without the knowledge of a user and might well remain undetected thereafter - unless one goes looking for it. If you don't look, HOW do you know you have been 'hit'? Dave Quote
Guest Ken Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 FromTheRafters wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message > news:%23ZNEeVECJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> FromTheRafters wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message >>> news:uaqKmH8BJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing >>>>> anti-spy / antivirus >>>>> (snip) >>>> On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the >>>> best solution" >>>> >>>> I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other software) >>>> reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: this is >>>> pre-SP2) >>>> >>>> I'm current on all XP Pro updates. >>>> Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload? >>> Is there an "Access IBM" button on your keyboard?</span> >> Not on the kewyboard but I do have the Access IBM folder</span> > > Mine is > c:program filesibmaccess ibmaibm.exe > > > </span> When I reload does that mean I'll have to go through 3+ years of windows updates? That'll take forever. Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message news:%23ucxGTRCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > FromTheRafters wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message >> news:%23ZNEeVECJHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> FromTheRafters wrote: >>>> "Ken" <mystery@nomail.net> wrote in message >>>> news:uaqKmH8BJHA.4932@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> Stevepppp@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> Next to a clean windows refresh, there's only one method of removing >>>>>> anti-spy / antivirus >>>>>> (snip) >>>>> On many occasions I've seen this advice - "reformat and reload is the >>>>> best solution" >>>>> >>>>> I've got a 3 year old IBM PC that came with XP Pro (and other >>>>> software) reloadable from a hidden section of the hard drive. (Note: >>>>> this is pre-SP2) >>>>> >>>>> I'm current on all XP Pro updates. >>>>> Now... the $64 question: how do I reformat and reload? >>>> Is there an "Access IBM" button on your keyboard? >>> Not on the kewyboard but I do have the Access IBM folder</span> >> >> Mine is >> c:program filesibmaccess ibmaibm.exe >> >> >></span> > When I reload does that mean I'll have to go through 3+ years of windows > updates? That'll take forever.</span> Yes. This is not recovery, it is restoring to factory condition. You may have collected updates along the way to current state, but getting them anew may not take as long - some are cumulative. Next time, you will have the foresight to have created some sort of recovery disk? I like to keep a fairly current ISO image of my laptops in addition to normal backup (full and incremental). Make a PE disk and put utilities and backup tools on it, that way the utilities and tools can get you close to the patch level you were at before the need for recovery arose. Of course, if you backup malware, this method won't address the need to "flatten and rebuild". ....or maybe this is more to your liking http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstrea...ce-pack-3.shtml Quote
Guest Stevepppp@gmail.com Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 On Aug 25, 5:56Â pm, Stevep...@gmail.com wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Malwarebytes software removes all malware fast and easy. > > You can see where to get it from this Youtube presentation here: > > All the other aforementioned so-called anti-malware software are > actually malware themselves. I'd bet real money that many or even most > of these companies are the very sources that infect pcs.</span> This bears repeating. MALWAREBYTES. Great great software. And it's free. Spyware Doctor by PC Tools cleans a lot, but not the real bad malware. MALWAREBYTES does. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.