'Flatten and Rebuild' concerns

September 17, 2008

Casting aspersions?

"Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ts9bjjqc41hq.1xm5rl4owsfvg$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:16:08 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

> This has nothing to do with the purpose of this news group. You're simply

> attempting to cast aspersions on someone else and deflect the attention

> from your behaviour here. If you want to learn more about NNTP header

> information then there are better places to do so. This is not your private

> tutorial group.

>

To which group do you refer when you say "This is not your private tutorial group"?

That is, I understand, the prime purpose of all Microsoft groups - to provide help and advice for

everyone.

Most Google groups have a 'Mission Statement' shall we say - not so these groups which are listed

as 'a Usenet group'.

September 17, 2008

Re: Casting aspersions?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:14:00 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

> To which group do you refer when you say "This is not your private tutorial group"?

All three that you insist on cross-posting to.

>

> That is, I understand, the prime purpose of all Microsoft groups - to provide help and advice for

> everyone.

Within the given topic for said group, something you seem incapable of

understanding.

--

Paul Adare

MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager

http://www.identit.ca

Base 8 is just like base 10, if you are missing two fingers. -- Tom

Lehrer

September 17, 2008

Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

David

Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap whenever you start up with someone that you did not before.

This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally sick

--

Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from this newsgroup? He's certainly not

>> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a time when the best interests of the

>> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of chances to shape up.

>> ---

>> Leonard Grey

>> Errare humanum est

>

> You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained already, there are NO 'powers that

> be'!

>

> I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and guide less experienced folk and for

> that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to say 'thank you'!). I may of course

> be mistaken! <wink>

>

> Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header information? When I first came 'here' I

> had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like

> I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent who they

> really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

>

> I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every computer so I'm a little

> confused when I compare the header information I show below. The poster seems to have two different

> IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a very simple reason for this.

> Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better understand. Thank you.

>

> Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

> Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

> Lines: 66

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain;

> format=flowed;

> charset="UTF-8";

> reply-type=original

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> X-Priority: 3

> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net 71.173.71.14

> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

>

> Now another header:-

>

> Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

> <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

> <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

> <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

> Lines: 10

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> format=flowed;

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> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> Newsgroups:

> microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114

> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

> microsoft.public.security.virus:82873 microsoft.public.security:103908

>

>

September 17, 2008

IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here - why PABear has two

differing IP addresses.

If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I apologise.

Over to you for the answer. TIA

Dave

"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

David

Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap whenever you start up with someone

that you did not before.

This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally sick

--

Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

> news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from this newsgroup? He's certainly

>> not

>> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a time when the best interests of the

>> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of chances to shape up.

>> ---

>> Leonard Grey

>> Errare humanum est

>

> You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained already, there are NO 'powers

> that

> be'!

>

> I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and guide less experienced folk and

> for

> that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to say 'thank you'!). I may of

> course

> be mistaken! <wink>

>

> Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header information? When I first came 'here' I

> had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended,

> like

> I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent who they

> really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

>

> I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every computer so I'm a little

> confused when I compare the header information I show below. The poster seems to have two

> different

> IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a very simple reason for this.

> Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better understand. Thank you.

>

> Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

> Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

> Lines: 66

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain;

> format=flowed;

> charset="UTF-8";

> reply-type=original

> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> X-Priority: 3

> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net 71.173.71.14

> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

>

> Now another header:-

>

> Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

> <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

> <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

> <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

> Lines: 10

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: text/plain;

> format=flowed;

> charset="iso-8859-1";

> reply-type=response

> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> X-Priority: 3

> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> Newsgroups:

> microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114

> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

> microsoft.public.security.virus:82873 microsoft.public.security:103908

>

>

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

WTF does it matter if he has two IP addresses? What business is it of

yours, and who cares, you flaming nut.

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

: Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

:

: It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here -

why PABear has two

: differing IP addresses.

:

: If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I apologise.

:

: Over to you for the answer. TIA

:

: Dave

:

: "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

: David

:

: Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap whenever

you start up with someone

: that you did not before.

:

: This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

:

: You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally sick

:

: --

: Peter

:

: Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

: Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

:

: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

: >

: > "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

: > news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: >> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from this

newsgroup? He's certainly

: >> not

: >> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a time when

the best interests of the

: >> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of

chances to shape up.

: >> ---

: >> Leonard Grey

: >> Errare humanum est

: >

: > You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained

already, there are NO 'powers

: > that

: > be'!

: >

: > I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and guide

less experienced folk and

: > for

: > that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to say

'thank you'!). I may of

: > course

: > be mistaken! <wink>

: >

: > Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header information?

When I first came 'here' I

: > had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little 'in

the dark'. I've tended,

: > like

: > I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting

to represent who they

: > really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

: >

: > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every

computer so I'm a little

: > confused when I compare the header information I show below. The poster

seems to have two

: > different

: > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a

very simple reason for this.

: > Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better understand.

Thank you.

: >

: > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

: > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

: > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

: > Lines: 66

: > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > format=flowed;

: > charset="UTF-8";

: > reply-type=original

: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

: > X-Priority: 3

: > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

: > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

: > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net

71.173.71.14

: > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

: > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

: >

: > Now another header:-

: >

: > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

<xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

: > <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

: > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

<u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

: > <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

: > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

<eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

: > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

: > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

: > Lines: 10

: > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > format=flowed;

: > charset="iso-8859-1";

: > reply-type=response

: > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

: > X-Priority: 3

: > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

: > Newsgroups:

: >

microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

: > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114

: > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

: > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

: > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873 microsoft.public.security:103908

: >

:

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

I'm sure you've heard of Good Cop/Bad Cop - perhaps one poster isn't really Robear Dyer at all!

If he's one and the same, why not simply say so? So easy really!

HTH

Dave

--

"Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message

news:uVWhwnPGJHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> WTF does it matter if he has two IP addresses? What business is it of

> yours, and who cares, you flaming nut.

>

> "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> : Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

> :

> : It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here -

> why PABear has two

> : differing IP addresses.

> :

> : If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I apologise.

> :

> : Over to you for the answer. TIA

> :

> : Dave

> :

> : "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> : David

> :

> : Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap whenever

> you start up with someone

> : that you did not before.

> :

> : This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

> :

> : You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally sick

> :

> : --

> : Peter

> :

> : Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

> : Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

> :

> : "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> : >

> : > "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

> : > news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> : >> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from this

> newsgroup? He's certainly

> : >> not

> : >> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a time when

> the best interests of the

> : >> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of

> chances to shape up.

> : >> ---

> : >> Leonard Grey

> : >> Errare humanum est

> : >

> : > You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained

> already, there are NO 'powers

> : > that

> : > be'!

> : >

> : > I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and guide

> less experienced folk and

> : > for

> : > that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to say

> 'thank you'!). I may of

> : > course

> : > be mistaken! <wink>

> : >

> : > Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header information?

> When I first came 'here' I

> : > had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little 'in

> the dark'. I've tended,

> : > like

> : > I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting

> to represent who they

> : > really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

> : >

> : > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every

> computer so I'm a little

> : > confused when I compare the header information I show below. The poster

> seems to have two

> : > different

> : > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a

> very simple reason for this.

> : > Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better understand.

> Thank you.

> : >

> : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> : > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

> : > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

> : > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

> : > Lines: 66

> : > MIME-Version: 1.0

> : > Content-Type: text/plain;

> : > format=flowed;

> : > charset="UTF-8";

> : > reply-type=original

> : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> : > X-Priority: 3

> : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> : > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> : > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

> : > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net

> 71.173.71.14

> : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

> : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

> : >

> : > Now another header:-

> : >

> : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> : > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

> : > <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

> : > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> : > <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

> : > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

> <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> : > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

> : > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

> : > Lines: 10

> : > MIME-Version: 1.0

> : > Content-Type: text/plain;

> : > format=flowed;

> : > charset="iso-8859-1";

> : > reply-type=response

> : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> : > X-Priority: 3

> : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> : > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> : > Newsgroups:

> : >

> microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

> : > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114

> : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

> : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

> : > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873 microsoft.public.security:103908

> : >

> :

>

>

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:35:01 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

> If he's one and the same, why not simply say so? So easy really!

Why should he have to prove anything to someone like you in the first

place?

Here's a big hit from the clue stick. Some people have homes and jobs and

use news groups from both locations. Now get lost and drop this ridiculous

thread.

--

Paul Adare

MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager

http://www.identit.ca

ROM: A RAM after a delicate operation.

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

In article <eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

BoaterDave@nospam.invalid says...

> It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here - why PABear has two

> differing IP addresses.

>

It's not relevant to anything. I can post from more than 60 IP addresses

in 5 countries - how does it have any relevance to the content of a

message?

--

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

"Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1pbf6our91xgg$.11lw6tubrvvul.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:35:01 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:

Now drop this ridiculous thread.

>

> --

OK - Lets investigate another conundrum (for me anyway)

Your web site says "IdentIT Inc. specializes in strong security-related services and solutions, with

the majority of our practice focused on digital security, identity management and access

authorization, digital rights management, and secure remote access solutions."

Ref: http://www.identit.ca/

When I go to any other link but one on your site I am presented with this message now:- (I

apologise in advance if it isn't shown as intended)

You are not authorized to view this page

The Web server you are attempting to reach has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access

the Web site, and the IP address of your browsing computer is on this list.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please try the following:

a.. Contact the Web site administrator if you believe you should be able to view this directory or

page.

HTTP Error 403.6 - Forbidden: IP address of the client has been rejected.

Internet Information Services (IIS)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Technical Information (for support personnel)

a.. Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and

403.

b.. Open IIS Help, which is accessible in IIS Manager (inetmgr), and search for topics titled

About Security, Limiting Access by IP Address, IP Address Access Restrictions, and About Custom

Error Messages.

The one other link that still works is the one referring to out-of-date information Viz:-

http://www.identit.ca/events.html

My intuition suggests that if you really are the whiz-kid you are supposed to be, you would have

blocked me from every web page. You haven't. Perhaps you'd kindly share the reason.

TIA

Dave

--

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:1221688344_16871@news.usenet.com...

> In article <eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> BoaterDave@nospam.invalid says...

>> It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here - why PABear has two

>> differing IP addresses.

>>

>

> I can post from more than 60 IP addresses

> in 5 countries - how does it have any relevance to the content of a

> message?

>

<snip>

Can you indeed?!!! Are you running a Botnet, Leythos?

Why only 5 countries btw? Which ones are they?

Just interested!

Dave

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

<Plonk>

No More Nutjob.

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:eN3%235xPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

: I'm sure you've heard of Good Cop/Bad Cop - perhaps one poster isn't

really Robear Dyer at all!

:

: If he's one and the same, why not simply say so? So easy really!

:

: HTH

:

: Dave

:

: --

: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message

: news:uVWhwnPGJHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

: > WTF does it matter if he has two IP addresses? What business is it of

: > yours, and who cares, you flaming nut.

: >

: > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

: > news:eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

: > : Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

: > :

: > : It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone

here -

: > why PABear has two

: > : differing IP addresses.

: > :

: > : If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I apologise.

: > :

: > : Over to you for the answer. TIA

: > :

: > : Dave

: > :

: > : "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message

: > news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

: > : David

: > :

: > : Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap

whenever

: > you start up with someone

: > : that you did not before.

: > :

: > : This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

: > :

: > : You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally

sick

: > :

: > : --

: > : Peter

: > :

: > : Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

: > : Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

: > :

: > : "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

: > news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

: > : >

: > : > "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

: > : > news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: > : >> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from

this

: > newsgroup? He's certainly

: > : >> not

: > : >> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a time

when

: > the best interests of the

: > : >> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of

: > chances to shape up.

: > : >> ---

: > : >> Leonard Grey

: > : >> Errare humanum est

: > : >

: > : > You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained

: > already, there are NO 'powers

: > : > that

: > : > be'!

: > : >

: > : > I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and

guide

: > less experienced folk and

: > : > for

: > : > that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to

say

: > 'thank you'!). I may of

: > : > course

: > : > be mistaken! <wink>

: > : >

: > : > Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header

information?

: > When I first came 'here' I

: > : > had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little

'in

: > the dark'. I've tended,

: > : > like

: > : > I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone

posting

: > to represent who they

: > : > really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

: > : >

: > : > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and

every

: > computer so I'm a little

: > : > confused when I compare the header information I show below. The

poster

: > seems to have two

: > : > different

: > : > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a

: > very simple reason for this.

: > : > Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better

understand.

: > Thank you.

: > : >

: > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > : > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

: > : > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

: > : > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

: > : > Lines: 66

: > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > : > format=flowed;

: > : > charset="UTF-8";

: > : > reply-type=original

: > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

: > : > X-Priority: 3

: > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > : > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

: > : > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

: > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net

: > 71.173.71.14

: > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

: > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

: > : >

: > : > Now another header:-

: > : >

: > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > : > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

: > <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

: > : > <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

: > : > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

: > <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

: > : > <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

: > : > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

: > <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

: > : > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

: > : > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

: > : > Lines: 10

: > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > : > format=flowed;

: > : > charset="iso-8859-1";

: > : > reply-type=response

: > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

: > : > X-Priority: 3

: > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > : > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

: > : > Newsgroups:

: > : >

: >

microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

: > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114

: > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

: > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

: > : > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873

microsoft.public.security:103908

: > : >

: > :

: >

:

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

In article <OUYyTFQGJHA.6132@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,

BoaterDave@nospam.invalid says...

>

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:1221688344_16871@news.usenet.com...

> > In article <eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,

> > BoaterDave@nospam.invalid says...

> >> It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone here - why PABear has two

> >> differing IP addresses.

> >>

> >

> > I can post from more than 60 IP addresses

> > in 5 countries - how does it have any relevance to the content of a

> > message?

> >

> <snip>

>

> Can you indeed?!!! Are you running a Botnet, Leythos?

>

> Why only 5 countries btw? Which ones are they?

>

> Just interested!

Dave, you've just confirmed my beliefe that you're a troll, not a good

one, but just a simple troll. I won't answer any more questions/posts

from you unless I feel like playing with you.

--

- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.

- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a

drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

> The one other link that still works is the one referring to out-of-date

> information Viz:- http://www.identit.ca/events.html

>

> My intuition suggests that if you really are the whiz-kid you are supposed

> to be, you would have blocked me from every web page. You haven't.

> Perhaps you'd kindly share the reason.

Because it bothers you so much?

Have you tried "refreshing" the locally cached page?

(it's not the real one anyway)

BD's draggin' a line ... what's runnin' these days MVPs?

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:32 -0400, Tom [Pepper] Willett

<tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote:

> <Plonk>

>

> No More Nutjob.

Don't you just love those who announce their plonking? Isn't it much

eaiser just not clicking on certain messages that you don't want to read?

with all the different news clients and posting styles used in this thread

I felt that quoting the entire message was important to show how hard it

is to read now. Now, where should I put my responce? At the top? At the

bottom (where it should be)?

> "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> news:eN3%235xPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> : I'm sure you've heard of Good Cop/Bad Cop - perhaps one poster isn't

> really Robear Dyer at all!

> :

> : If he's one and the same, why not simply say so? So easy really!

> :

> : HTH

> :

> : Dave

> :

> : --

> : "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message

> : news:uVWhwnPGJHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> : > WTF does it matter if he has two IP addresses? What business is it

> of

> : > yours, and who cares, you flaming nut.

> : >

> : > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> : > news:eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> : > : Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

> : > :

> : > : It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to everyone

> here -

> : > why PABear has two

> : > : differing IP addresses.

> : > :

> : > : If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I

> apologise.

> : > :

> : > : Over to you for the answer. TIA

> : > :

> : > : Dave

> : > :

> : > : "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> : > news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> : > : David

> : > :

> : > : Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap

> whenever

> : > you start up with someone

> : > : that you did not before.

> : > :

> : > : This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

> : > :

> : > : You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally

> sick

> : > :

> : > : --

> : > : Peter

> : > :

> : > : Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

> : > : Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be

> acknowledged.

> : > :

> : > : "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

> : > news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> : > : >

> : > : > "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

> : > : > news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> : > : >> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from

> this

> : > newsgroup? He's certainly

> : > : >> not

> : > : >> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a

> time

> when

> : > the best interests of the

> : > : >> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share of

> : > chances to shape up.

> : > : >> ---

> : > : >> Leonard Grey

> : > : >> Errare humanum est

> : > : >

> : > : > You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained

> : > already, there are NO 'powers

> : > : > that

> : > : > be'!

> : > : >

> : > : > I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and

> guide

> : > less experienced folk and

> : > : > for

> : > : > that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return to

> say

> : > 'thank you'!). I may of

> : > : > course

> : > : > be mistaken! <wink>

> : > : >

> : > : > Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header

> information?

> : > When I first came 'here' I

> : > : > had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a

> little

> 'in

> : > the dark'. I've tended,

> : > : > like

> : > : > I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone

> posting

> : > to represent who they

> : > : > really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

> : > : >

> : > : > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and

> every

> : > computer so I'm a little

> : > : > confused when I compare the header information I show below. The

> poster

> : > seems to have two

> : > : > different

> : > : > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there

> is a

> : > very simple reason for this.

> : > : > Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better

> understand.

> : > Thank you.

> : > : >

> : > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> : > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> : > : > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

> : > : > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

> : > : > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

> : > : > Lines: 66

> : > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

> : > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

> : > : > format=flowed;

> : > : > charset="UTF-8";

> : > : > reply-type=original

> : > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> : > : > X-Priority: 3

> : > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> : > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> : > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> : > : > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

> : > : > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

> : > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net

> : > 71.173.71.14

> : > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

> : > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl

> microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

> : > : >

> : > : > Now another header:-

> : > : >

> : > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

> : > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

> : > : > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> : > <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

> : > : >

> <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

> : > : > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> : > <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

> : > : >

> <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

> : > : > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

> : > <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

> : > : > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

> : > : > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

> : > : > Lines: 10

> : > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

> : > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

> : > : > format=flowed;

> : > : > charset="iso-8859-1";

> : > : > reply-type=response

> : > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> : > : > X-Priority: 3

> : > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

> : > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

> : > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

> : > : > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

> : > : > Newsgroups:

> : > : >

> : >

> microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

> : > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net

> 24.115.13.114

> : > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

> : > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl

> microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

> : > : > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873

> microsoft.public.security:103908

> : > : >

> : > :

> : >

> :

>

>

It can be difficult to tell if a poster is who they claim to be. Looking

at the headers is one way, but headers can be manipulated.

max

--

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September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

Bend over and put it there, net nanny.

Now, where should I put my responce? At the top? At the

: bottom (where it should be)?

:

: > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

: > news:eN3%235xPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

: > : I'm sure you've heard of Good Cop/Bad Cop - perhaps one poster isn't

: > really Robear Dyer at all!

: > :

: > : If he's one and the same, why not simply say so? So easy really!

: > :

: > : HTH

: > :

: > : Dave

: > :

: > : --

: > : "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message

: > : news:uVWhwnPGJHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

: > : > WTF does it matter if he has two IP addresses? What business is it

: > of

: > : > yours, and who cares, you flaming nut.

: > : >

: > : > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

: > : > news:eYWQxhPGJHA.1272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

: > : > : Peter, Hi! style_emoticons/

: > : > :

: > : > : It would be MUCH more helpful if you simply explained - to

everyone

: > here -

: > : > why PABear has two

: > : > : differing IP addresses.

: > : > :

: > : > : If I've been told before, I must have forgotten; for that I

: > apologise.

: > : > :

: > : > : Over to you for the answer. TIA

: > : > :

: > : > : Dave

: > : > :

: > : > : "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message

: > : > news:u1yhlYPGJHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

: > : > : David

: > : > :

: > : > : Do yourself and others a favor and stop posting this same crap

: > whenever

: > : > you start up with someone

: > : > : that you did not before.

: > : > :

: > : > : This has been explained to you 100 times if not more.

: > : > :

: > : > : You are playing head games with everyone or you are truly mentally

: > sick

: > : > :

: > : > : --

: > : > : Peter

: > : > :

: > : > : Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others

: > : > : Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be

: > acknowledged.

: > : > :

: > : > : "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

: > : > news:ugc9SbLGJHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

: > : > : >

: > : > : > "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@not.valid.net> wrote in message

: > : > : > news:eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: > : > : >> Can the powers that be please consider banning Boater Dave from

: > this

: > : > newsgroup? He's certainly

: > : > : >> not

: > : > : >> the worst offender this newsgroup has seen, but there comes a

: > time

: > when

: > : > the best interests of the

: > : > : >> group have to prevail. I believe he's had more than his share

of

: > : > chances to shape up.

: > : > : >> ---

: > : > : >> Leonard Grey

: > : > : >> Errare humanum est

: > : > : >

: > : > : > You are, of course, entitled to a view Mr Grey but, as explained

: > : > already, there are NO 'powers

: > : > : > that

: > : > : > be'!

: > : > : >

: > : > : > I believe that you are here in these groups to try to help and

: > guide

: > : > less experienced folk and

: > : > : > for

: > : > : > that I thank you (also on behalf of the many that never return

to

: > say

: > : > 'thank you'!). I may of

: > : > : > course

: > : > : > be mistaken! <wink>

: > : > : >

: > : > : > Now, perhaps you could help me to better understand Header

: > information?

: > : > When I first came 'here' I

: > : > : > had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a

: > little

: > 'in

: > : > the dark'. I've tended,

: > : > : > like

: > : > : > I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone

: > posting

: > : > to represent who they

: > : > : > really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.

: > : > : >

: > : > : > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and

: > every

: > : > computer so I'm a little

: > : > : > confused when I compare the header information I show below. The

: > poster

: > : > seems to have two

: > : > : > different

: > : > : > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there

: > is a

: > : > very simple reason for this.

: > : > : > Perhaps you and/or others will comment so that I may better

: > understand.

: > : > Thank you.

: > : > : >

: > : > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > : > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > : > : > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com>

: > : > : > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on

: > : > : > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400

: > : > : > Lines: 66

: > : > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > : > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > : > : > format=flowed;

: > : > : > charset="UTF-8";

: > : > : > reply-type=original

: > : > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

: > : > : > X-Priority: 3

: > : > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > : > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > : > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > : > : > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

: > : > : > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers

: > : > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net

: > : > 71.173.71.14

: > : > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

: > : > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl

: > microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729

: > : > : >

: > : > : > Now another header:-

: > : > : >

: > : > : > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP>

: > : > : > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com>

: > : > : > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

: > : > <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org>

: > : > : >

: > <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>

: > : > : > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

: > : > <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>

: > : > : >

: > <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

: > : > : > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>

: > : > <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>

: > : > : > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer

: > : > : > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400

: > : > : > Lines: 10

: > : > : > MIME-Version: 1.0

: > : > : > Content-Type: text/plain;

: > : > : > format=flowed;

: > : > : > charset="iso-8859-1";

: > : > : > reply-type=response

: > : > : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

: > : > : > X-Priority: 3

: > : > : > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

: > : > : > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

: > : > : > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579

: > : > : > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

: > : > : > Newsgroups:

: > : > : >

: > : >

: >

microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus

: > : > : > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net

: > 24.115.13.114

: > : > : > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

: > : > : > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl

: > microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077

: > : > : > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873

: > microsoft.public.security:103908

: > : > : >

: > : > :

: > : >

: > :

: >

: It can be difficult to tell if a poster is who they claim to be. Looking

: at the headers is one way, but headers can be manipulated.

:

: max

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September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:17:52 -0400, Tom [Pepper] Willett, after consulting

Websters' dictionary, could only come up with this:

> Bend over and put it there, net nanny.

> snip 214 lines of wasted space <

What a professional responce, struck a nerve did we?

max

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September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

"What's in a Name?" <maxwachtel@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:op.uhm8y3c5cxu3pg@max...

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:25:32 -0400, Tom [Pepper] Willett <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote:

>

> Don't you just love those who announce their plonking? Isn't it much eaiser just not clicking on

> certain messages that you don't want to read?

I've never noticed Mr Willet give real help to anyone!

He doesn't need to be involved at all here.

> with all the different news clients and posting styles used in this thread I felt that quoting

> the entire message was important to show how hard it is to read now. Now, where should I put my

> responce? At the top? At the bottom (where it should be)?

<snip>

It doesn't really matter does it? <wink>

> It can be difficult to tell if a poster is who they claim to be. Looking at the headers is one

> way, but headers can be manipulated.

Indeed they can be, but I had no idea about that when first I ventured into a newsgroup! <sigh>

So ........... long thread, but still no answer to my query. FWIW, I don't think Mr Dyer can have

time to actually go to work - the last time I looked he had made 17,911 posts at Aumha.net and

Google Groops reports about 44,500 posts for PABear!

Amazing effort really.

Dave

September 17, 2008

Re: IP addresses query - solution from Peter Foldes?

"FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:uXniXdQGJHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The one other link that still works is the one referring to out-of-date information Viz:-

>> http://www.identit.ca/events.html

>>

>> My intuition suggests that if you really are the whiz-kid you are supposed to be, you would have

>> blocked me from every web page. You haven't. Perhaps you'd kindly share the reason.

>

> Because it bothers you so much?

It bothers me not one jot, FTR - it's a technicality and I'm simply interested in an explanation.

It's a hinky feeling really. I'm quite confident that most genuine business folk would be only too

pleased to be notified, politely, of an 'error' in any area of their business and would make every

effort to correct matters without delay. To totally ignore such information does not, to me, smack

of professionalism.

> Have you tried "refreshing" the locally cached page?

> (it's not the real one anyway)

I did - and tried AOL, IE7 and Google Chrome - all with the same result. However, I reset my IP and

tried again. Bingo! All links working again.

FWIW

Dave

PS > BD's draggin' a line ... what's runnin' these days MVPs?

Been quite successful today, eh? <wink>

>

September 18, 2008

Drive-by attacks

"FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:uXniXdQGJHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> BD's draggin' a line ... what's runnin' these days MVPs?

>

Let's try this today. Drive-by attacks

Quote:

http://www.scmagazineus.com/Google-450000-...tArticle/34986/

A Google white paper analyzing web-based malware has reported that nearly a half-million URLs

contain malicious code.

The report, "The ghost in the browser: Analysis of web-based malware," says that Google researchers

analyzed the contents of several billion URLs and executed an in-depth analysis of approximately 4.5

million URLs.

The researchers discovered that about 450,000 URLs were successfully launching drive-by downloads of

malicious code. The study also uncovered 700,000 other pages that "seemed malicious," but "did not

meet the thresholds we had in place," said Niels Provos, one of the study's co-authors.

Malware found included trojans, adware and obfuscated binary code. The study, which analyzed a year

of queries using the search engine giant, pinpointed four mechanisms - poorly secured servers,

user-contributed content, advertising and third-party "widgets" - as the most prevalent methods for

injecting malicious code onto websites.

In these and other newsgroups, many helpers include 'links' either within their posted message or in

their signatures. It has already been established that no-one is responsible for checking links in

the "Microsoft" newsgroups - clicking on any one of them might take a viewer to an infected site

........... and many might never know that they had been hit!

Just a thought.

Dave

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September 18, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

On 18 Sep, 12:41, "~BD~" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> "FromTheRafters" <Erra...@ne.rr.com> wrote in messagenews:uXniXdQGJHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> > BD's draggin' a line ... what's runnin' these days MVPs?

>

> Let's try this today. Â Drive-byattacks

>

> Quote:http://www.scmagazineus.com/Google-450000-...nching-drive-by...

>

> A Google white paper analyzing web-based malware has reported that nearly a half-million URLs

> contain malicious code.

>

> The report, "The ghost in the browser: Analysis of web-based malware," says that Google researchers

> analyzed the contents of several billion URLs and executed an in-depth analysis of approximately 4.5

> million URLs.

>

> The researchers discovered that about 450,000 URLs were successfully launchingdrive-bydownloads of

> malicious code. The study also uncovered 700,000 other pages that "seemed malicious," but "did not

> meet the thresholds we had in place," said Niels Provos, one of the study's co-authors.

>

> Malware found included trojans, adware and obfuscated binary code. The study, which analyzed a year

> of queries using the search engine giant, pinpointed four mechanisms - poorly secured servers,

> user-contributed content, advertising and third-party "widgets" - as the most prevalent methods for

> injecting malicious code onto websites.

>

> In these and other newsgroups, many helpers include 'links' either within their posted message or in

> their signatures. It has already been established that no-one is responsible for checking links in

> the "Microsoft" newsgroups - clicking on any one of them might take a viewer to an infected site

> .......... and many might never know that they had been hit!

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Dave

>

> --

Oh! Btw - if you are sceptical, watch this video tutorial from

watchguard.com!

http://www.watchguard.com/education/video/...id=dbd-cubecast

HTH

Dave

September 18, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

> In these and other newsgroups, many helpers include 'links' either within

> their posted message or in their signatures. It has already been

> established that no-one is responsible for checking links in the

> "Microsoft" newsgroups - clicking on any one of them might take a viewer

> to an infected site .......... and many might never know that they had

> been hit!

Malware could be served up from an adserver too. Even

so-called good sites can get you.

You're just not safe doing anything these days.

You make a decision, you take your chances. The best you

can hope for is to make informed decisions and reduce the

chances of getting 'hit' by something.

Jumping around like a flea from forum to forum and group

to group dragging conversations around doesn't help you to

get a feel for whom to trust, so it is no small wonder that

you don't know how anyone can know whom to trust these

days in newsgroups.

I used to be able to send e-mail with a meta-refresh so that

I could force my uncle to the URL of my choice - since he

read his e-mail in OE with HTML rendering enabled. My

e-mail send would bring him to a website dedicated to using

every known trick in the book to crash his system. He didn't

have to do anything at all to get slammed - except to accept

the Microsoft default settings. All I had to do was use 'source

edit' in OE.

September 18, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

"FromTheRafters" <Erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message

news:%2358x0xYGJHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> In these and other newsgroups, many helpers include 'links' either within their posted message or

>> in their signatures. It has already been established that no-one is responsible for checking

>> links in the "Microsoft" newsgroups - clicking on any one of them might take a viewer to an

>> infected site .......... and many might never know that they had been hit!

>

It bothers me because it is the most vulnerable who come to the MS newsgroups for help - usually in

a panic from what I have seen. If they were then to be claimed as additions to a Botnet - without

ever knowing it - I think that would be reprehensible.

> Malware could be served up from an adserver too. Even

> so-called good sites can get you.

I know!

> You're just not safe doing anything these days.

I feel fairly safe when I'm boating! style_emoticons/

> You make a decision, you take your chances. The best you

> can hope for is to make informed decisions and reduce the

> chances of getting 'hit' by something.

Agreed - but thing really have changed in the last 5 years.

> Jumping around like a flea from forum to forum and group

> to group dragging conversations around doesn't help you to

> get a feel for whom to trust, so it is no small wonder that

> you don't know how anyone can know whom to trust these

> days in newsgroups.

It has been a deliberate strategy FTR. FWIW, I trust you!

I do not trust Peter Foldes ..... he once described the death of

my son as having being a "frustrating" event.

> I used to be able to send e-mail with a meta-refresh so that

> I could force my uncle to the URL of my choice - since he

> read his e-mail in OE with HTML rendering enabled. My

> e-mail send would bring him to a website dedicated to using

> every known trick in the book to crash his system. He didn't

> have to do anything at all to get slammed - except to accept

> the Microsoft default settings. All I had to do was use 'source

> edit' in OE.

>

>

I bet that scared him to death! I wouldn't have a clue how to do that (and no, I don't want to

learn!) If you really know what you are doing, pop over to Annexcafe.com - register - and ask the

posters on User2User some testing questions. The moderator - Roy C - is adamant that he needs no

more protection than a Hosts file!

Dave

September 18, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>

Please STOP changing the subject of the thread !

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September 18, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

You are a pitiful old man who needs a life

and a brain.....now bugger off!!

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message

news:uFhW4ZZGJHA.4972@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

September 19, 2008

Re: Drive-by attacks

How do we know your link is safe ?

"BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:144177c7-6cd1-4b6c-a6fc-459bdf23148d@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

On 18 Sep, 12:41, "~BD~" <BoaterD...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> "FromTheRafters" <Erra...@ne.rr.com> wrote in messagenews:uXniXdQGJHA.5944@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

> > BD's draggin' a line ... what's runnin' these days MVPs?

>

> Let's try this today. Drive-byattacks

>

> Quote:http://www.scmagazineus.com/Google-450000-...nching-drive-by...

>

> A Google white paper analyzing web-based malware has reported that nearly a half-million URLs

> contain malicious code.

>

> The report, "The ghost in the browser: Analysis of web-based malware," says that Google researchers

> analyzed the contents of several billion URLs and executed an in-depth analysis of approximately 4.5

> million URLs.

>

> The researchers discovered that about 450,000 URLs were successfully launchingdrive-bydownloads of

> malicious code. The study also uncovered 700,000 other pages that "seemed malicious," but "did not

> meet the thresholds we had in place," said Niels Provos, one of the study's co-authors.

>

> Malware found included trojans, adware and obfuscated binary code. The study, which analyzed a year

> of queries using the search engine giant, pinpointed four mechanisms - poorly secured servers,

> user-contributed content, advertising and third-party "widgets" - as the most prevalent methods for

> injecting malicious code onto websites.

>

> In these and other newsgroups, many helpers include 'links' either within their posted message or in

> their signatures. It has already been established that no-one is responsible for checking links in

> the "Microsoft" newsgroups - clicking on any one of them might take a viewer to an infected site

> .......... and many might never know that they had been hit!

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Dave

>

> --

Oh! Btw - if you are sceptical, watch this video tutorial from

watchguard.com!

http://www.watchguard.com/education/video/...id=dbd-cubecast

HTH

Dave

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