Guest Peter Foldes Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 A new beginning? Trouble is, PABear, that BoaterDave, aka ~BD~, always tells the truth and never actually /tries/ to hide! He /knows/ that YOU have lied (hence 'Dyer the Liar') and he's quite sure that I've not told the truth either. Do you think that Microsoft will believe me now that I've been visted by the Security services already? -- Peter "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:udZMCY3aJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > cf. > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...d4?dmode=source > > Posted via OE by none other than BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk in violation > of the Hotmail EULA! (@Peter: Report this to Live ID admin, please.) > > BD usually "hides" by posting via the web-interface (cf. > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...c7?dmode=source) > so his post via OE may be the undoing of yet another of his email > accounts and ISPs. > > Peter Foldes wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> These posts by me answering Boater Dave are not by me. I am using a >> W2K3 >> Enterprise Server as shown in my posting properties ( 6.00.3790.3959) >> which cannot be duplicated unless this imposter has the same along >> with the >> accompanying additions . which I doubt that the poster can achieve.. >> I must >> apologize for this post but I feel it must be known, Also to post by >> BD and >> not Boater Dave is also a imposter post.</span> > </span> Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Re: A new beginning? I did a competent and thorough investigation of BD's online history a few years ago and discovered that he'd been banned by several ISPs (including AOL), that several of his non-ISP email accounts had been discontinued, and that he'd been banned by several forums and newsservers for abuse. This led to BD being permanently banned from AumHa Forums and all of his multiple user-accounts being Deleted. Payback's a b and I think you oughta sic MI5 and MI6 on him. Peter Foldes wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Trouble is, PABear, that BoaterDave, aka ~BD~, always tells the truth > and never actually /tries/ to hide! > > He /knows/ that YOU have lied (hence 'Dyer the Liar') and he's quite > sure that I've not told the truth either. > > Do you think that Microsoft will believe me now that I've been visted by > the Security services already? > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:udZMCY3aJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> cf. >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...d4?dmode=source >> >> Posted via OE by none other than BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk in violation >> of the Hotmail EULA! (@Peter: Report this to Live ID admin, please.) >> >> BD usually "hides" by posting via the web-interface (cf. >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...c7?dmode=source) >> so his post via OE may be the undoing of yet another of his email >> accounts and ISPs. >> >> Peter Foldes wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> These posts by me answering Boater Dave are not by me. I am using a >>> W2K3 >>> Enterprise Server as shown in my posting properties ( 6.00.3790.3959) >>> which cannot be duplicated unless this imposter has the same along >>> with the >>> accompanying additions . which I doubt that the poster can achieve.. >>> I must >>> apologize for this post but I feel it must be known, Also to post by >>> BD and >>> not Boater Dave is also a imposter post. </span></span></span> Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Re: A new beginning? That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you can't even get my name right and I hide behind nothing. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ezOwVJ4aJHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >I did a competent and thorough investigation of BD's online history a few >years ago and discovered that he'd been banned by several ISPs (including >AOL), that several of his non-ISP email accounts had been discontinued, and >that he'd been banned by several forums and newsservers for abuse. This >led to BD being permanently banned from AumHa Forums and all of his >multiple user-accounts being Deleted. > > Payback's a b and I think you oughta sic MI5 and MI6 on him. > > Peter Foldes wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Trouble is, PABear, that BoaterDave, aka ~BD~, always tells the truth >> and never actually /tries/ to hide! >> >> He /knows/ that YOU have lied (hence 'Dyer the Liar') and he's quite >> sure that I've not told the truth either. >> >> Do you think that Microsoft will believe me now that I've been visted by >> the Security services already? >> >> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:udZMCY3aJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> cf. >>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...d4?dmode=source >>> >>> Posted via OE by none other than BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk in violation >>> of the Hotmail EULA! (@Peter: Report this to Live ID admin, please.) >>> >>> BD usually "hides" by posting via the web-interface (cf. >>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...c7?dmode=source) >>> so his post via OE may be the undoing of yet another of his email >>> accounts and ISPs. >>> >>> Peter Foldes wrote: >>>> These posts by me answering Boater Dave are not by me. I am using a >>>> W2K3 >>>> Enterprise Server as shown in my posting properties ( 6.00.3790.3959) >>>> which cannot be duplicated unless this imposter has the same along >>>> with the >>>> accompanying additions . which I doubt that the poster can achieve.. >>>> I must >>>> apologize for this post but I feel it must be known, Also to post by >>>> BD and >>>> not Boater Dave is also a imposter post.</span></span> > </span> Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Re: A new beginning? You mean JPL employee Christopher (not Christine) Butts? cf. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/NASA_van_rolls...fornia_mountain The Real Truth MVP wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you can't > even > get my name right and I hide behind nothing. </span> Quote
Guest Leonard Grey Posted December 31, 2008 Posted December 31, 2008 Re: A new beginning? True - you can't hide from your own lies. Which filthy comeback this time? --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est The Real Truth MVP wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you can't > even get my name right and I hide behind nothing. > > </span> Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: A new beginning? From: "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@invalid.invalid> | True - you can't hide from your own lies. Like being a Blackman hiding behind the persona of a white blonde female. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest The Real Truth MVP Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: A new beginning? That's exactly what I mean. You just pick a name out of the blue and stick with it. -- The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/ "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eZmlUj5aJHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > You mean JPL employee Christopher (not Christine) Butts? > > cf. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/NASA_van_rolls...fornia_mountain > > The Real Truth MVP wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you can't >> even >> get my name right and I hide behind nothing.</span> > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: A new beginning? "The Real Truth MVP" <not@real.atall> wrote in message news:gjgr8u$ch8$1@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you > can't even get my name right and I hide behind nothing. > > > -- > The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/</span> You are 100% correct - a complete crock of sh t as you put it! Anyone worth his salt will know that I'm actually using AOL as my ISP right now - surely that proves the statement totally false? Then again, how can anyone be sure that the poster purporting to be PA Bear in this thread is really Robear Dyer? Dave Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Header information (This is a resurrection of a past query - to which no satisfactory reply was received) Can you help me to better understand Header information? When I first came 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent who they really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is involved. I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header information I show below. The poster seems to have two different IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a very simple reason for this. I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and the other from a different computer at work. However as 'PA Bear' has now blatantly lied about my history (I've never been banned by any ISP) I now wonder if there is ... a) someone masquerading as Robear Dyer or style_emoticons/ something of the dark about him. Comments welcomed (especially any from Peter Foldes - he knows it can be done!) Dave <span style="color:blue"> > > > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP> > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> > References: <C32A72E4-F29D-4F1F-86A9-085F7B8F7082@microsoft.com> > Subject: Re: my windows update will not turn on > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:28:18 -0400 > Lines: 66 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 > Message-ID: <ORJsVZTAJHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.homeusers > NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-71-173-71-14.ptldme.east.verizon.net 71.173.71.14 > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:26729 > > Now another header:- > > Reply-To: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <moc.liamg@PVMraeBAP> > From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> > References: <e2WPfUmFJHA.768@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> <xn0fv63uk4enbio003@news.motzarella.org> > <2b1e5eb5-877a-404a-b1d3-3368c6852544@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> > <u3hdkG0FJHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> <u#YNIN0FJHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl> > <8fc6f8b1-cf26-42a5-964d-bfa08570e1e6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> > <uwzDVw$FJHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> <eDo9n9$FJHA.4200@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> > Subject: Re: Off Topic! Subject:: Farmer > Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:21:34 -0400 > Lines: 10 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 > Message-ID: <O0CmuFBGJHA.2456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> > Newsgroups: > microsoft.public.security,microsoft.public.security.homeusers,microsoft.public.security.virus > NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.115.13.114.res-cmts.tvh.ptd.net 24.115.13.114 > Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl > Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.homeusers:27077 > microsoft.public.security.virus:82873 microsoft.public.security:103908 > > > > > </span> Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 HAPPY NEW YEAR! I thought I'd said it before! <s> <span style="color:blue"> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OG6YUCRFJHA.4104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > <span style="color:green"> > > That must be BD's fifth or sixth ISP in as many years. Wonder why he keeps switching...or having to switch? <w></span></span> <span style="color:blue"> > You are not often wrong Robear, but you are this time! > > Ten years ago I subscribed to Freeserve. Freeserve were bought by Wanadoo.Wanadoo was >bought by Orange. I remained with them throughout the changes. > > After the theft of my identity in 2005, I elected to take advantage of a Broadband package being > offered by AOL which included a Netgear router to enable wireless connection. I joined in early 2006 > and I have been with AOL ever since (albeit that shortly after I became a subscriber, AOL UK was > hived off by parent group Time Warner ) > > Although still trading as AOL UK, the company has been bought by Carphone Warehouse and is the > third largest ISP in the UK. > > So, that's really just TWO ISP's in ten years. > > Earlier this year I took advantage of the newly available 3G Mobile Broadband technology so that I > can use my laptop for Internet connection when I am cruising the British Waterays on my >narrowboat. This additional ISP is called 'Three'. > > HTH - it's the truth! See > http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.p...7599&entry27599 > > Dave</span> plus ....... <span style="color:blue"> > When I first ventured into the newsgroup area through the MS Communities server, I took all >comments from the likes of PA Bear 'on trust'. I am aware - now - that one cannot in any way be >sure that a post has actually been made by a specific individual unless one checks IP addresses; >even then, one cannot be sure.</span> <span style="color:blue"> > I know that the 'identity' posting in this thread as PA Bear has lied. Others may think whatever > they like. > > No longer do I trust the initials MVP - nor the supposed folk that abuse that status (if, indeed, > they do!). It could well be someone else masquerading as same. > > FWIW > > Dave</span> Quote
Guest Charlie42 Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Header information "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Can you help me to better understand Header information? When > I first came 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at > all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm confident > most > visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent > who they really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is > involved.</span> Don't. Anybody can hide behind a nick on the Internet, in the MS newsgroups you will find both tech specialists and utter computer illiterates. Since you have been hanging around here for a while, you have obviously developed a knowledge about this ng and its participants, but still: sound judgement, and perhaps a few extra checks, are required. In MS newsgroups the MVP title - awarded by MS - is a fairly strong signal that somebody knows their subject. Of course, anybody can add these three letters to their signature, but it will not pass unnoticed, so using information provided by MVPs is relatively safe. As for message headers, they are a piece of code attached to posts and e-mails, where you can find information like a unique ID for the message, thread indexing, text type/encoding, and perhaps most important: the message subject, recipients, sender, priority and where it originated from (and yes, this information may or may not be forged. Usually it is not). <span style="color:blue"> > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and > every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header > information I show below. The poster seems to have two different > IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps > there is a very simple reason for this.</span> <span style="color:blue"> > I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better > understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from > home and the other from a different computer at work.</span> Go with simple. Your suggested explanation is pretty likely correct. In the case of the aforementioned IP addresses, they belong to different Internet Service Providers in Kansas and Delaware, U.S. (but the computers in question can be located elsewhere, probably not that far apart). You can find this information yourself by doing a WHOIS search. The information may not be of much use, though. http://www.fr2.cyberabuse.org/whois/?page=whois_server Charlie42 Quote
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Header information BoaterDave wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > (This is a resurrection of a past query - to which no satisfactory > reply was received) > > Can you help me to better understand Header information? When I > first came 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at > all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm > confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting > to represent who they really are - especially if a well know > 'helper' is involved. > > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and > every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header > information I show below. The poster seems to have two different IP > addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a > very simple reason for this. > > I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better > understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and > the other from a different computer at work. > > However as 'PA Bear' has now blatantly lied about my history (I've > never been banned by any ISP) I now wonder if there is ... > > a) someone masquerading as Robear Dyer or > style_emoticons/ something of the dark about him. > > Comments welcomed (especially any from Peter Foldes - he knows it > can be done!) > > Dave</span> <snipped> First - headers and how to read them: http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+read+email+headers Such as the first link: http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/header.html Or second link: http://www.virtualchase.com/researchskills...mailheader.html Or fourth link: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer....en&answer=29436 Second, anyone can post from multiple IP addresses. Don't overthink. If someone was to use a laptop - they could post from possibly dozens (or more) different IP addresses throughout a normal day just by act of traveling and using free internet access. If someone was a computer technician and did not work from a single location - again - very plausible they would post from various IPs. Even if they worked from a single locataion - it is possible they could post from multiple IP addresses in a single day (perhaps they have two or more different ISPs, perhaps they just released their internet assigned IP and grabbed a new one or used a different computer and they get multiple IPs from my ISP, etc.) Are there more complicated ways to do it? Sure. Many times people travel and still post from the same IP because they remote into a central machine and do their work over a more secure connection that way - leaving all their data and such in the secured/locked down physical location. Third - you should know that anyone can be anyone, anywhere. It's just easier to be anyone here than it is face-to-face. It takes little effort, really. Someone changes their reply-to and posting name - they are now seen as someone else at a casual glance. If the header exists and is accurate (and actually goes back as far as the original poster - it may not depending on the news server they used, etc) - then that is one way of determining more accurately that a person is the same person they have always been; however - as stated before - getting another IP address (even on the same machine) is a fairly easy process these days - so that is no guarantee either. Most of this you already know in a manner of speaking - bacause we all know you have several accounts you post from (you have said this yourself - or have you ? Could we ever be sure?) - even in these newsgroups. I have seen you change names. No matter what, ~BD~ and BoaterDave are not the same name - even if they are meant to be and are the same person behind the curtain. After all - I see three names for you here: http://forums.techarena.in/security-home-users/1053152.htm (BoaterDave, ~BD~ and imbeady2) More complete and readily visibly: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...10a8248f093fd99 In that example alone - out of your (assumption on my part - although you state it is you in there somewhere with all the names) 20+r so responses in that conversation, I count at least seven different 'google groups profiles' or addresses that would lead to seperate profile links: One of the more active profiles (~BD~): http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...RnJjPBzguKo4L2w Not quite as active - but still active profile (BoaterDave) http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...zHmXCv8ZX1vhwwQ And the "imbeady2" 'nick' shows a different address each time - likely because of how it was synchronized with the main post from a web forum. If you were to check out the headers on just your own messages - the "NNTP-Posting-Host:" changes several times. It's all dependent on how you post, from where, etc. Hope that helps explain a little better what is going on. - Headers can give you more details about the path a message took and more. - Headers can give you very little actual information about the person sending the message if that person is capable (of some computer savvy and/or just moving from place to place.) - Therefore "nicks" (short for nickname) mean very little in an open anonymous forum. Anyone can be anybody at surface level. If someone chooses to take on the nick of someone who also uses multiple computers/IPS (moves around a lot) - it can be even more difficult to tell (although if one minute a post is leading back to Texas and the next - China... Well - no - it could still be just savvy - because a simple explanation could be a friend/business partner/business in one or the other and remote desktop.) -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: A new beginning? Yeah, right, Chris. Don't forget to take your meds, please. The Real Truth MVP wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > That's exactly what I mean. You just pick a name out of the blue and stick > with it. ><span style="color:green"> >> You mean JPL employee Christopher (not Christine) Butts? >> >> cf. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/NASA_van_rolls...fornia_mountain >> >> The Real Truth MVP wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> That's a crock of Sh t. How can you find out all of that when you can't >>> even >>> get my name right and I hide behind nothing. </span></span></span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Header information Hi Charlie - thanks for your response. My replies are in-line ..... "Charlie42" <Charlie42@spam.me.not> wrote in message news:ePNntVBbJHA.5676@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Can you help me to better understand Header information? When >> I first came 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at >> all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm >> confident most >> visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent >> who they really are - especially if a well know 'helper' is >> involved.</span> > > Don't. Anybody can hide behind a nick on the Internet, in the MS > newsgroups you will find both tech specialists and utter computer > illiterates. Since you have been hanging around here for a while, you > have obviously developed a knowledge about this ng and its > participants, but still: sound judgement, and perhaps a few extra > checks, are required.</span> It's good to hear someone confirm this! style_emoticons/ <span style="color:blue"> > In MS newsgroups the MVP title - awarded by MS - is a fairly strong > signal that somebody knows their subject. Of course, anybody can add > these three letters to their signature, but it will not pass > unnoticed, so using information provided by MVPs is relatively safe.</span> That was my initial thinking, but since then I know - categorically and without doubt - that a user of the 'PA Bear' 'nick' has lied about me being banned by an ISP. I do recognise that only I can be certain of this, but it IS the truth. <span style="color:blue"> > As for message headers, they are a piece of code attached to posts and > e-mails, where you can find information like a unique ID for the > message, thread indexing, text type/encoding, and perhaps most > important: the message subject, recipients, sender, priority and where > it originated from (and yes, this information may or may not be > forged. Usually it is not).</span> That is what I now understand. I'd wager that very few people coming to the Microsoft newsgroups for help have any idea about such matters. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and >> every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header >> information I show below. The poster seems to have two different >> IP addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps >> there is a very simple reason for this.</span> ><span style="color:green"> >> I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better >> understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from >> home and the other from a different computer at work.</span> > > Go with simple. Your suggested explanation is pretty likely correct. > In the case of the aforementioned IP addresses, they belong to > different Internet Service Providers in Kansas and Delaware, U.S. (but > the computers in question can be located elsewhere, probably not that > far apart). You can find this information yourself by doing a WHOIS > search. The information may not be of much use, though.</span> Using the service at the link you provided http://www.fr2.cyberabuse.org/whois/?page=whois_server (I'd not used this one before) I found that one ISP was in Dodge City, Kansas and the other in Palmerton, Pennsylvania (albeit Delaware Ave.!!) DNSstuff says Danville, Pennsylvania and agrees with Dodge City, Kansas http://member.dnsstuff.com/pages/tools.php?ptype=free It takes time to answer posts and I'm confident that most 'helpers' are great guys. My thanks to all of them, yourself included! Dave Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Header information inline "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:02B46951-A983-4E15-BF5A-610D8BA5356B@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > (This is a resurrection of a past query - to which no satisfactory reply > was > received) > > Can you help me to better understand Header information?</span> http://www.cynthiaarmistead.com/headers/headers.shtml <span style="color:blue"> > When I first came > 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at all. I'm still a > little > 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm confident most visitors do, to accept > the 'Nick' of someone posting to represent who they really are -</span> Well...my momma didn't really name me FromTheRafters - sorry to burst your bubble. style_emoticons/) I could use an assumed 'real sounding' name and back it up with website registration to give it an authentic feel. Bottom line is that short of digital signatures there is no authentication in usenet posts. <span style="color:blue"> > especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.</span> Secondhand trust issues pale in comparison to the inability to authenticate either party. <span style="color:blue"> > I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and every > computer</span> Not all network devices are'computers'. <span style="color:blue"> > so I'm a little confused when I compare the header information I > show below. The poster seems to have two different IP addresses > 71.173.71.14 > and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a very simple reason for this.</span> Perhaps. <span style="color:blue"> > I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better understand. > Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and the other from a > different computer at work.</span> ....or from one laptop using two different wireless access points. [snip] Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: Header information See below for my response: "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Oee7xbCbJHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > BoaterDave wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> (This is a resurrection of a past query - to which no satisfactory >> reply was received) >> >> Can you help me to better understand Header information? When I >> first came 'here' I had no knowledge of message 'Properties' at >> all. I'm still a little 'in the dark'. I've tended, like I'm >> confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' of someone posting >> to represent who they really are - especially if a well know >> 'helper' is involved. >> >> I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and >> every computer so I'm a little confused when I compare the header >> information I show below. The poster seems to have two different IP >> addresses 71.173.71.14 and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a >> very simple reason for this. >> >> I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better >> understand. Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and >> the other from a different computer at work. >> >> However as 'PA Bear' has now blatantly lied about my history (I've >> never been banned by any ISP) I now wonder if there is ... >> >> a) someone masquerading as Robear Dyer or >> style_emoticons/ something of the dark about him. >> >> Comments welcomed (especially any from Peter Foldes - he knows it >> can be done!) >> >> Dave</span> > <snipped> > > First - headers and how to read them: > http://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+read+email+headers > > Such as the first link: > http://www.emailaddressmanager.com/tips/header.html > Or second link: > http://www.virtualchase.com/researchskills...mailheader.html > Or fourth link: > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer....en&answer=29436 > > Second, anyone can post from multiple IP addresses. Don't overthink. > If someone was to use a laptop - they could post from possibly dozens > (or more) different IP addresses throughout a normal day just by act > of traveling and using free internet access. If someone was a > computer technician and did not work from a single location - again - > very plausible they would post from various IPs. Even if they worked > from a single locataion - it is possible they could post from multiple > IP addresses in a single day (perhaps they have two or more different > ISPs, perhaps they just released their internet assigned IP and > grabbed a new one or used a different computer and they get multiple > IPs from my ISP, etc.) Are there more complicated ways to do it? > Sure. Many times people travel and still post from the same IP > because they remote into a central machine and do their work over a > more secure connection that way - leaving all their data and such in > the secured/locked down physical location. > > Third - you should know that anyone can be anyone, anywhere. It's > just easier to be anyone here than it is face-to-face. It takes > little effort, really. Someone changes their reply-to and posting > name - they are now seen as someone else at a casual glance. If the > header exists and is accurate (and actually goes back as far as the > original poster - it may not depending on the news server they used, > etc) - then that is one way of determining more accurately that a > person is the same person they have always been; however - as stated > before - getting another IP address (even on the same machine) is a > fairly easy process these days - so that is no guarantee either. > > Most of this you already know in a manner of speaking - bacause we all > know you have several accounts you post from (you have said this > yourself - or have you ? Could we ever be sure?) - even in these > newsgroups. I have seen you change names. No matter what, ~BD~ and > BoaterDave are not the same name - even if they are meant to be and > are the same person behind the curtain. > > After all - I see three names for you here: > http://forums.techarena.in/security-home-users/1053152.htm > (BoaterDave, ~BD~ and imbeady2) > More complete and readily visibly: > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.p...10a8248f093fd99 > > In that example alone - out of your (assumption on my part - although > you state it is you in there somewhere with all the names) 20+r so > responses in that conversation, I count at least seven different > 'google groups profiles' or addresses that would lead to seperate > profile links: > > One of the more active profiles (~BD~): > http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...RnJjPBzguKo4L2w > > Not quite as active - but still active profile (BoaterDave) > http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...zHmXCv8ZX1vhwwQ > > And the "imbeady2" 'nick' shows a different address each time - likely > because of how it was synchronized with the main post from a web > forum. > > If you were to check out the headers on just your own messages - the > "NNTP-Posting-Host:" changes several times. It's all dependent on how > you post, from where, etc. > > Hope that helps explain a little better what is going on. > > - Headers can give you more details about the path a message took and > more. > - Headers can give you very little actual information about the person > sending the message if that person is capable (of some computer > savvy and/or just moving from place to place.) > - Therefore "nicks" (short for nickname) mean very little in an open > anonymous forum. Anyone can be anybody at surface level. If someone > chooses to take on the nick of someone who also uses multiple > computers/IPS (moves around a lot) - it can be even more difficult to > tell (although if one minute a post is leading back to Texas and the > next - China... Well - no - it could still be just savvy - because a > simple explanation could be a friend/business partner/business in one > or the other and remote desktop.) > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ></span> Shenan You have no idea how much I value your help and advice - especially as you ignore others who say "do not feed the troll"! If any 'newbies' read this thread they would learn much from your responses to me - part-and-parcel of what I perceive to be the essence of what newsgroups are meant to be for. You have also appreciated that I've not actually tried to hide my identity - I have, indeed, used all the 'nicks' that you mention above - primarily so that I could try and track just how messages showed up in Outlook Express when posted from 'outside' sources (Google Groups. TechArena Community or Microsoft). Thank you once again for all the help you give to so many folk. Have a great 2009! Dave Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Re: A new beginning? From: "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> | Yeah, right, Chris. Don't forget to take your meds, please. Maybe when he doesn't want to be a black male in a blonde female body he wants to known as Patrick Christopher Butts. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Re: A new beginning? Hoople Head. "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3A888356-F52B-42CD-A3BF-A0609D8CC8BA@microsoft.com... : : : "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: : : > Paul Adare - MVP wrote: : : > > No wonder you've been banned from a number of web forums. : > : > And several ISPs. : : You know that isn't so, Robear Dyer - why say such things? : : I trust that you will be truthful in 2009. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Re: Header information "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:%23A%23CYQEbJHA.1704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > inline</span> Snip <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> Can you help me to better understand Header information?</span> > > http://www.cynthiaarmistead.com/headers/headers.shtml</span> Thank you. I spent a while reading Cynthia's site! <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> I've tended, like I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the >> 'Nick' of someone posting to represent who they really are</span> > Well...my momma didn't really name me FromTheRafters - sorry to > burst your bubble. style_emoticons/)</span> Hahaha! I enjoy your sense of humour, FTR <span style="color:blue"> > I could use an assumed 'real sounding' name and back it up with > website > registration to give it an authentic feel. Bottom line is that short > of digital signatures there is no authentication in usenet posts.</span> That I now understand. Hence my concern about IdentitIT Inc - it is the attitude of bad guys which will be their undoing eventually. I've never said that this particular organisation is bogus, but IMO the attitude of those involved (posting here) leaves doubt in my mind. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> especially if a well know 'helper' is involved.</span> > > Secondhand trust issues pale in comparison to the inability to > authenticate > either party.</span> Agreed <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> I've also learned that an IP address is attributable to each and >> every >> computer</span> > > Not all network devices are'computers'.</span> Agreed. My apologies for the generalisation! <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> so I'm a little confused when I compare the header information I >> show below. The poster seems to have two different IP addresses >> 71.173.71.14 >> and also 24.115.13.114. Perhaps there is a very simple reason for >> this.</span> > > Perhaps. ><span style="color:green"> >> I had hoped that someone would comment so that I might better >> understand. >> Maybe simply say that one item was posted from home and the other >> from a >> different computer at work.</span> > > ...or from one laptop using two different wireless access points. > > [snip]</span> It's that 'attitude' phenomenon again. PA Bear (aka Robear Dyer) is a highly prolific poster both in the Microsoft Newsgroups and at Aumha. It is difficult to imagine that someone so knowledgeable and helpful (on the surface anyway) could be a 'bad guy' - but 'he' HAS lied about me and my past. I remain suspicious of both 'him' and of Aumha! (see http://www.aumha-oto.org/thelema.html ) Dave Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Re: Header information "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23cb01hPbJHA.4664@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message > news:%23A%23CYQEbJHA.1704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> inline</span> > Snip ><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> Can you help me to better understand Header information?</span> >> >> http://www.cynthiaarmistead.com/headers/headers.shtml</span> > > Thank you. I spent a while reading Cynthia's site!</span> Many places on the net have these explanations, some stick with e-mail and barely touch on newsgroups. You could read some nntp rfc's to learn how the system is/was designed to work. A person has to have good reading comprehension to make heads or tails of the information though. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> I've tended, like I'm confident most visitors do, to accept the 'Nick' >>> of someone posting to represent who they really are</span> >> Well...my momma didn't really name me FromTheRafters - sorry to >> burst your bubble. style_emoticons/)</span> > > Hahaha! I enjoy your sense of humour, FTR</span> Let me apologize in advance for any jabs at you that may appear in future or past posts. style_emoticons/D [snip] Quote
Guest James Matthews Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! Thank You likewise -- http://www.astorandblack.com/ "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:681FA41C-9053-4089-B94F-086FCB6BE51C@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I thought I'd said it before! <s> > ><span style="color:green"> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OG6YUCRFJHA.4104@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >><span style="color:darkred"> >> > That must be BD's fifth or sixth ISP in as many years. Wonder why he >> > keeps switching...or having to switch? <w></span></span> > > ><span style="color:green"> >> You are not often wrong Robear, but you are this time! >> >> Ten years ago I subscribed to Freeserve. Freeserve were bought by >> Wanadoo.Wanadoo was >bought by Orange. I remained with them throughout >> the changes. >> >> After the theft of my identity in 2005, I elected to take advantage of a >> Broadband package being >> offered by AOL which included a Netgear router to enable wireless >> connection. I joined in early 2006 >> and I have been with AOL ever since (albeit that shortly after I became a >> subscriber, AOL UK was >> hived off by parent group Time Warner ) >> >> Although still trading as AOL UK, the company has been bought by Carphone >> Warehouse and is the > third largest ISP in the UK. >> >> So, that's really just TWO ISP's in ten years. >> >> Earlier this year I took advantage of the newly available 3G Mobile >> Broadband technology so that I >> can use my laptop for Internet connection when I am cruising the British >> Waterays on my >narrowboat. This additional ISP is called 'Three'. >> >> HTH - it's the truth! See >> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.p...7599&entry27599 >> >> Dave</span> > > plus ....... > ><span style="color:green"> >> When I first ventured into the newsgroup area through the MS Communities >> server, I took all >comments from the likes of PA Bear 'on trust'. I am >> aware - now - that one cannot in any way be >sure that a post has >> actually been made by a specific individual unless one checks IP >> addresses; >even then, one cannot be sure.</span> ><span style="color:green"> >> I know that the 'identity' posting in this thread as PA Bear has lied. >> Others may think whatever >> they like. >> >> No longer do I trust the initials MVP - nor the supposed folk that abuse >> that status (if, indeed, >> they do!). It could well be someone else masquerading as same. >> >> FWIW >> >> Dave</span> > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR! style_emoticons/ YW You have a great year, James! Never tell lies like the poster PA Bear (aka Robear Dyer) viz:- <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> You are not often wrong Robear, but you are this time! >>> >>> Ten years ago I subscribed to Freeserve. Freeserve were bought by >>> Wanadoo.Wanadoo was bought by Orange. I remained with them >>> throughout the changes. >>> >>> After the theft of my identity in 2005, I elected to take advantage >>> of a Broadband package being >>> offered by AOL which included a Netgear router to enable wireless >>> connection. I joined in early 2006 >>> and I have been with AOL ever since (albeit that shortly after I >>> became a subscriber, AOL UK was >>> hived off by parent group Time Warner ) >>> >>> Although still trading as AOL UK, the company has been bought by >>> Carphone Warehouse and is the third largest ISP in the UK. >>> >>> So, that's really just TWO ISP's in ten years. >>> >>> Earlier this year I took advantage of the newly available 3G Mobile >>> Broadband technology so that I >>> can use my laptop for Internet connection when I am cruising the >>> British Waterays on my narrowboat. This additional ISP is called >>> 'Three'. >>> >>> HTH - it's the truth! See >>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.p...7599&entry27599 >>> >>> Dave</span> >> >> plus ....... >> >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> When I first ventured into the newsgroup area through the MS >>> Communities server, I took all comments from the likes of PA Bear >>> 'on trust'. I am aware - now - that one cannot in any way be sure >>> that a post has actually been made by a specific individual unless >>> one checks IP addresses; even then, one cannot be sure.</span> >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> I know that the 'identity' posting in this thread as PA Bear has >>> lied. Others may think whatever they like. >>> >>> No longer do I trust the initials MVP - nor the supposed folk that >>> abuse that status (if, indeed, they do!). It could well be someone >>> else masquerading as same. >>> >>> FWIW >>> >>> Dave</span> >></span> > </span> Quote
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