Guest Paul Adare - MVP Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a > Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you > access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you > have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...</span> <sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone who isn't even on this continent. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on. Quote
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it >> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the >> switching station's end. >> >> NO log-in credentials required. >> >> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with >> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer >> connected to the modem. >></span> > ><sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a >Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you >have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it... </span> <bigger sigh> You're full of it Gordon. I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP magically inserts the Username and Password? You need some sleep. Quote
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:59:20 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a >> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you >> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it...</span> > ><sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider >which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and >password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone >who isn't even on this continent.</span> Please: we're "the Colonies" <harrumph!> How does your explanation reconcile purchasing one's own modem (which I did) and it works right out of the box? The RCN cable company I mentioned earlier uses the MAC address method. If one buys their own modem, all they have to do is call the support desk and give them the MAC. Quote
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:53:12 -0500, Paul Montgomery <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, "Gordon" ><gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: ><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it >>> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the >>> switching station's end. >>> >>> NO log-in credentials required. >>> >>> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with >>> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer >>> connected to the modem. >>></span> >> >><sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a >>Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >>access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you >>have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it... </span> > ><bigger sigh> > >You're full of it Gordon. > >I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP >magically inserts the Username and Password? > >You need some sleep.</span> I hope "Gordon" isn't the same "Gordon" running the web-hosting service. Quote
Guest Richard G. Harper Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 <double sigh> You are both right and both wrong. Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect. Gordon - yeah, that's true for DSL ... but for CABLE modems, there is no place to put a username and password, the MAC address controls whether or not you can access the Internet. So both of you may wish to consider that your view depends entirely on the direction one is looking in. ;-) -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ "Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1rimv7nkfylbg$.t0xio1xxiwpn$.dlg@40tude.net...<span style="color:blue"> > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in >> it a >> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account >> you >> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with >> it...</span> > > <sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider > which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and > password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone > who isn't even on this continent. > > -- > Paul Adare > MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager > http://www.identit.ca > The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on. </span> Quote
Guest Paul Adare - MVP Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:30:39 -0400, Richard G. Harper wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into > the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my > username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect.</span> You might to actually read the post of mine where I mentioned PPOE there sport. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca RAM: A male sheep. Quote
Guest Coogee Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita. "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up > newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up > OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the > newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to > log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password > are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, > and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am > giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to > download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account > screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security > options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security > screen. Any advice on this? > </span> Quote
Guest JohnJ Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer > I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! > Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard > for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I > didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita. > > "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message > news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to >> log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password >> are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, >> and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am >> giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to >> download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account >> screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security >> options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security >> screen. Any advice on this? >></span> ></span> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and see where that goes. John Quote
Guest Coogee Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's not the problem. Thanks for replying, though. "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> >> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. >> I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed >> yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL >> server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >> newsgroups. Such agita. >> >> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >>> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >>> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me >>> to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and >>> password are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and >>> password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same >>> prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't >>> begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in >>> the account screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows >>> security options off that I could find, but still can't get past the >>> security screen. Any advice on this? >>></span> >></span> > > Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and > password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But > sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and > see where that goes. > > John </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted September 24, 2008 Posted September 24, 2008 " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:BFF33E4A-F5D6-44EB-B7EB-EBE672311285@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> >I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's >not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.</span> Have tou tried creating a new account (Standard User) and setting up the NNTP account in that user account? Maybe there's corruption in your admin user account data or code. Quote
Guest Paul Montgumdrop Posted September 25, 2008 Posted September 25, 2008 Coogee wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So > that's not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.</span> It's a problem on Vista. You were given information about how to go to the account itself on WM, Outlook or whatever is being used and entering the credentials again typing over the existing credentials and doing send/recv of email or post/read on NNTP until the credentials hold. You giving the credentials when being prompted is not going to work, as they will not hold. It has to be done on the account iteslf off of Tools menu and select the account and set it there. And besides, they are going to be lost again, but it has not happened for me in a long long time, knock on wood. <span style="color:blue"> > > "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >>> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or >>> not. I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been >>> fixed yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my >>> MAIL server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >>> newsgroups. Such agita. >>> >>> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >>> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set >>>> up newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All >>>> is set up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially >>>> download the newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security >>>> notice, asking me to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that >>>> both username and password are correct for your mail server". After >>>> I enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps >>>> popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, >>>> but will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. >>>> Whatever I enter will change what's in the account screen for the >>>> server setup. Tried turning all the windows security options off >>>> that I could find, but still can't get past the security screen. Any >>>> advice on this? >>>> >>></span> >> >> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and >> password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). >> But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and >> complain and see where that goes. >> >> John </span> > </span> Quote
Guest Coogee Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 As I said before, I have done this many, many times, just as you suggested. My next try will be to follow the directions in http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/62560-wi...l-problems.html Think it will work? "Paul Montgumdrop" <Paul@Montgumdrop.com> wrote in message news:%23MxX05rHJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Coogee wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's >> not the problem. Thanks for replying, though.</span> > > It's a problem on Vista. You were given information about how to go to the > account itself on WM, Outlook or whatever is being used and entering the > credentials again typing over the existing credentials and doing send/recv > of email or post/read on NNTP until the credentials hold. You giving the > credentials when being prompted is not going to work, as they will not > hold. It has to be done on the account iteslf off of Tools menu and select > the account and set it there. > > And besides, they are going to be lost again, but it has not happened for > me in a long long time, knock on wood. ><span style="color:green"> >> >> "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com... >>>> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >>>> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. >>>> I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed >>>> yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL >>>> server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >>>> newsgroups. Such agita. >>>> >>>> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >>>> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >>>>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is >>>>> set up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download >>>>> the newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, >>>>> asking me to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both >>>>> username and password are correct for your mail server". After I >>>>> enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping >>>>> up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will >>>>> not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter >>>>> will change what's in the account screen for the server setup. Tried >>>>> turning all the windows security options off that I could find, but >>>>> still can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and >>> password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). >>> But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain >>> and see where that goes. >>> >>> John</span> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Paul Montgumdrop Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 Coogee wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > As I said before, I have done this many, many times, just as you > suggested. My next try will be to follow the directions in > http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/62560-wi...l-problems.html > Think it will work?</span> I don't know if anything in that link will correct the authentication problems. You might try deleting the account and creating the account again in your client newsgroup reader and/or POP3/SMTP email programs. Quote
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