Guest Kayman Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is software called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, president of Sunbelt Software." [unquote] You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for commenting on this issue! In his website: http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ He claims: The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it gives you a false sense of security." [unquote] (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different view). His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to fool the inexperienced! Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie :-))! MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action! Quote
Guest MAP Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Kayman wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers > http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers > > "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." > > > The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is software > called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, president of > Sunbelt Software." > [unquote] > > You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for > commenting on this issue! > > In his website: > http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ > He claims: > > The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it > gives you a false sense of security." > [unquote] > > (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different > view). > > His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous > and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! > > The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to > fool the inexperienced! > > Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie :-))! > > MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action!</span> Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall which by the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both incoming and outgoing traffic, IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing wrong with Sunbelts statment. -- Mike Pawlak Quote
Guest Kayman Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Kayman wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >> >> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >> >> >> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is software >> called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, president of >> Sunbelt Software." >> [unquote] >> >> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >> commenting on this issue! >> >> In his website: >> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >> He claims: >> >> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >> gives you a false sense of security." >> [unquote] >> >> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different >> view). >> >> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous >> and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! >> >> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to >> fool the inexperienced! >> >> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie :-))! >> >> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action!</span> > > Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall which by > the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both incoming and > outgoing traffic,</span> Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound traffic are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security measure against malware is utter nonsense! <span style="color:blue"> > IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing wrong with > Sunbelts statment.</span> Your will change your opinion if you're willing to educate yourself. Instead reading and believing all that hype created by these software manufacturers, study and try to comprehend publications authored by well respected (and unbiased) Internet security experts. Quote
Guest MAP Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Kayman wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Kayman wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >>> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >>> >>> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >>> >>> >>> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is >>> software called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, >>> president of Sunbelt Software." >>> [unquote] >>> >>> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >>> commenting on this issue! >>> >>> In his website: >>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >>> He claims: >>> >>> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >>> gives you a false sense of security." >>> [unquote] >>> >>> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different >>> view). >>> >>> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous >>> and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! >>> >>> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to >>> fool the inexperienced! >>> >>> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie >>> :-))! >>> >>> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action!</span> >> >> Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall >> which by the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both >> incoming and outgoing traffic,</span> > > Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound > traffic are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security > measure against malware is utter nonsense! ><span style="color:green"> >> IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing wrong with >> Sunbelts statment.</span> > > Your will change your opinion if you're willing to educate yourself. > Instead reading and believing all that hype created by these software > manufacturers, study and try to comprehend publications authored by > well respected (and unbiased) Internet security experts.</span> Do you mean articles like this one? http://netsecurity.about.com/od/firewalls/a/aa081804b.htm or perhaps this one-Very scary( near the bottom of the page. http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/arch.../2005/mar13.php No in reguards to the second link you may ask who is this guy? Mike Healan the webmaster was one of the very first to pffer any help in reguard to malware. He seems to have moved on (good for him) but what he says is gospel. From his site. About the owner/editor/webmaster Mike Healan Currently, I am a writer. I have published articles for Intermute, Lavasoft, and DogReader. Several web sites and email newsletters have also republished existing articles of mine with my permission. I am also starting to work as a software consultant. Unfortunately, for legal reasons, I am unable to say for which companies. I am an administrator at the TomCoyote message boards. I also volunteer at several other message boards devoted to privacy and/or security. For a period of time, I was an administrator at the Lavasoft Support Forums, the official support site for Lavasoft's Ad-aware. I am formerly an OP (moderator) for the Lockergnome IRC chat room, as well as several other chat rooms. Their are many more links but this will suffice, who should I believe the Experts or you? Have a nice day! -- Mike Pawlak Quote
Guest Kayman Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:15:15 -0400, MAP wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Kayman wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> Kayman wrote: >>>> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >>>> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >>>> >>>> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >>>> >>>> >>>> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is >>>> software called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, >>>> president of Sunbelt Software." >>>> [unquote] >>>> >>>> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >>>> commenting on this issue! >>>> >>>> In his website: >>>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >>>> He claims: >>>> >>>> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >>>> gives you a false sense of security." >>>> [unquote] >>>> >>>> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different >>>> view). >>>> >>>> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous >>>> and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! >>>> >>>> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to >>>> fool the inexperienced! >>>> >>>> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie >>>> :-))! >>>> >>>> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action! >>> >>> Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall >>> which by the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both >>> incoming and outgoing traffic,</span> >> >> Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound >> traffic are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security >> measure against malware is utter nonsense! >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing wrong with >>> Sunbelts statment.</span> >> >> Your will change your opinion if you're willing to educate yourself. >> Instead reading and believing all that hype created by these software >> manufacturers, study and try to comprehend publications authored by >> well respected (and unbiased) Internet security experts.</span> > > Do you mean articles like this one? > http://netsecurity.about.com/od/firewalls/a/aa081804b.htm > or perhaps this one-Very scary( near the bottom of the page. > http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/arch.../2005/mar13.php > > No in reguards to the second link you may ask who is this guy? > Mike Healan the webmaster was one of the very first to pffer any help in > reguard to malware. He seems to have moved on (good for him) but what he > says is gospel. > > From his site. > > About the owner/editor/webmaster > Mike Healan > Currently, I am a writer. I have published articles for Intermute, Lavasoft, > and DogReader. Several web sites and email newsletters have also republished > existing articles of mine with my permission. > > I am also starting to work as a software consultant. Unfortunately, for > legal reasons, I am unable to say for which companies. > > I am an administrator at the TomCoyote message boards. I also volunteer at > several other message boards devoted to privacy and/or security. For a > period of time, I was an administrator at the Lavasoft Support Forums, the > official support site for Lavasoft's Ad-aware. > > I am formerly an OP (moderator) for the Lockergnome IRC chat room, as well > as several other chat rooms. > Their are many more links but this will suffice, who should I believe the > Experts or you? > Have a nice day!</span> You have to get your facts right before getting sarcastic! I am advocating to go with the experts! All you dig up are imposters! The drivel you provided are commercially supported publications and or forum postings, when printed out, not even worth to consider as toilet tissues as the paper would smear...! These publications are a breeding ground for all these Illusion Ware, uninformed users like you are falling for it...marketing does its job, oh well. Your (so-called experts LOL) moderators are either biased or completely incompetent when it comes to Internet Security! They are writers who are trying to make a buck...an easy one as it seems. Their in-depth knowledge of the NT/Vista operating system is appalling, in fact it is non-existent! Now, before you dig yourself in an even deeper hole, I'd kindly suggest, if your comprehension ability is intact, to conduct some serious research, do some earnest reading and discard that mind-contaminating tabloid garbage; Unless of course you are a representative of one of these software manufacturers. Quote
Guest MAP Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Kayman wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:15:15 -0400, MAP wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Kayman wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: >>> >>>> Kayman wrote: >>>>> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >>>>> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >>>>> >>>>> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is >>>>> software called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, >>>>> president of Sunbelt Software." >>>>> [unquote] >>>>> >>>>> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >>>>> commenting on this issue! >>>>> >>>>> In his website: >>>>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >>>>> He claims: >>>>> >>>>> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >>>>> gives you a false sense of security." >>>>> [unquote] >>>>> >>>>> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a >>>>> different view). >>>>> >>>>> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is >>>>> ridiculous and is not based on facts; It is misleading the >>>>> uninformed users! >>>>> >>>>> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique >>>>> to fool the inexperienced! >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie >>>>> :-))! >>>>> >>>>> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action! >>>> >>>> Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall >>>> which by the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors >>>> both incoming and outgoing traffic, >>> >>> Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound >>> traffic are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security >>> measure against malware is utter nonsense! >>> >>>> IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing wrong with >>>> Sunbelts statment. >>> >>> Your will change your opinion if you're willing to educate yourself. >>> Instead reading and believing all that hype created by these >>> software manufacturers, study and try to comprehend publications >>> authored by well respected (and unbiased) Internet security experts.</span> >> >> Do you mean articles like this one? >> http://netsecurity.about.com/od/firewalls/a/aa081804b.htm >> or perhaps this one-Very scary( near the bottom of the page. >> http://www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/arch.../2005/mar13.php >> >> No in reguards to the second link you may ask who is this guy? >> Mike Healan the webmaster was one of the very first to pffer any >> help in reguard to malware. He seems to have moved on (good for him) >> but what he says is gospel. >> >> From his site. >> >> About the owner/editor/webmaster >> Mike Healan >> Currently, I am a writer. I have published articles for Intermute, >> Lavasoft, and DogReader. Several web sites and email newsletters >> have also republished existing articles of mine with my permission. >> >> I am also starting to work as a software consultant. Unfortunately, >> for legal reasons, I am unable to say for which companies. >> >> I am an administrator at the TomCoyote message boards. I also >> volunteer at several other message boards devoted to privacy and/or >> security. For a period of time, I was an administrator at the >> Lavasoft Support Forums, the official support site for Lavasoft's >> Ad-aware. >> >> I am formerly an OP (moderator) for the Lockergnome IRC chat room, >> as well as several other chat rooms. >> Their are many more links but this will suffice, who should I >> believe the Experts or you? >> Have a nice day!</span> > > You have to get your facts right before getting sarcastic! > I am advocating to go with the experts! All you dig up are > imposters! The drivel you provided are commercially supported > publications and or forum postings, when printed out, not even worth > to consider as toilet tissues as the paper would smear...! These > publications are a breeding ground for all these Illusion Ware, > uninformed users like you are falling for it...marketing does its > job, oh well. Your (so-called experts LOL) moderators are either > biased or completely incompetent when it comes to Internet Security! > They are writers who are trying to make a buck...an easy one as it > seems. Their in-depth knowledge of the NT/Vista operating system is > appalling, in fact it is non-existent! > Now, before you dig yourself in an even deeper hole, I'd kindly > suggest, if your comprehension ability is intact, to conduct some > serious research, do some earnest reading and discard that > mind-contaminating tabloid garbage; Unless of course you are a > representative of one of these software manufacturers.</span> This one is completly free, where is the buck to be made? http://www.tallemu.com/free-firewall-prote...n-software.html I haven't been here in awhile your not that idiot PCButts are you? -- Mike Pawlak Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 "MAP" <mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com> wrote in message news:OhDEecEJJHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Kayman wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >> >> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >> >> >> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is software >> called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, president of >> Sunbelt Software." >> [unquote] >> >> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >> commenting on this issue! >> >> In his website: >> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >> He claims: >> >> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >> gives you a false sense of security." >> [unquote] >> >> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different >> view). >> >> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous >> and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! >> >> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to >> fool the inexperienced! >> >> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie :-))! >> >> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action!</span> > > Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall which by > the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both incoming and > outgoing traffic, IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing > wrong with Sunbelts statment.</span> First, one would have to 'buy in' to the notion that you need this feature in the name of security . It is a defeatist attitude that you allow malware to execute and then try to mitigate what happens next. I wouldn't hire a bodyguard based solely on his EMT skills, but that's just me. Quote
Guest Michael D. Ober Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 "Kayman" <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote in message news:OE3Iz%23FJJHA.4968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: > > Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound traffic > are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security measure against > malware is utter nonsense! ></span> OK - what about spambots. Having software to block unauthorized outbound SMTP connections would be a very good thing as this would eliminate a lot of the SPAM that gets sent. Mike Ober. Quote
Guest Kayman Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:45:13 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "MAP" <mikepawlak2REM@OVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OhDEecEJJHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> Kayman wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Microsoft, Washington state to sue 'scareware' pushers >>> http://www.itworld.com/security/55420/micr...areware-pushers >>> >>> "Microsoft and Washington state are cracking down on scammers..." >>> >>> >>> The most prevalent scareware program in circulation today is software >>> called Antivirus XP 2008, according to Alex Eckelberry, president of >>> Sunbelt Software." >>> [unquote] >>> >>> You have to admire Alex Eckelberry's arrogance and the nerve for >>> commenting on this issue! >>> >>> In his website: >>> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/home-home-o...sonal-firewall/ >>> He claims: >>> >>> The Windows Firewall (both XP and Vista) is worse than useless, it >>> gives you a false sense of security." >>> [unquote] >>> >>> (Although it is a fact that his software engineers have a different >>> view). >>> >>> His assertion in relation to both WinXP and Vista F/W is ridiculous >>> and is not based on facts; It is misleading the uninformed users! >>> >>> The false advertising (hype) is nothing but a deceptive technique to >>> fool the inexperienced! >>> >>> Therefore, it is Scareware as well (besides it's a blatant lie :-))! >>> >>> MSFT, please take note and initiate appropriate action!</span> >> >> Sunbelt by the way provides a free version of their firewall which by >> the way is better than the one on XP since it monitors both incoming and >> outgoing traffic, IMHO since their is a "free" version their is nothing >> wrong with Sunbelts statment.</span> > > First, one would have to 'buy in' to the notion that you need > this feature in the name of security . It is a defeatist attitude > that you allow malware to execute and then try to mitigate what > happens next.</span> Precisely, prevention is the key! Attempting to block outbound unapproved traffic provides no additional security whatsoever, but is often used as a selling point by vendors who either do not understand security, or are trying to make money by misleading customers! Sadly, many IT experts and forum moderators etc. seem not to understand the issue either. Dr. Jesper M. Johannson wrote quite some educational material concerning this and other (Internet) security issues. (I wonder if A. Eckelberry would enter into a discussion with him). Managing the Windows Vista Firewall http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx Note the scenario in relation to: "...the proverbial naked dancing pigs". Quote
Guest Bob I Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 Michael D. Ober wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "Kayman" <kaymanDeleteThis@operamail.com> wrote in message > news:OE3Iz%23FJJHA.4968@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > <span style="color:green"> >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:24:08 -0400, MAP wrote: >> >> Software firewalls that advertise they can stop malicious outbound >> traffic >> are, as outbound control on a XP platform as a security measure against >> malware is utter nonsense! >></span> > > OK - what about spambots. Having software to block unauthorized > outbound SMTP connections would be a very good thing as this would > eliminate a lot of the SPAM that gets sent. > > Mike Ober. > </span> Unfortunately, once the novice user allows the machine to be compromised, then the malware simply disables outbound monitoring, and all you are left with is a compromised PC and a false sense of security. Quote
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