Guest Sandy Wood Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as our AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this thing off? -- Sandy Wood Orange County District Attorney Quote
Guest Beoweolf Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > our > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > thing > off? > -- > Sandy Wood > Orange County District Attorney</span> It appears there is a group policy setting, either at the local or domain level, which is overriding your manual disable at your workstation/PC. If you are not the system administrator, then bring this issue to their attention. As you mentioned, Forefront is a centralize, subscription-based solution where Windows Defender is a good, but limited solution best suited for SOHO users that can't, won't or don't want to make a conscious effort, responsibility for their own data protection. Its a good product, its just limited in scope and manageability. There are ways to suppress Windows Defender, in the case where a more comprehensive solution is in place. It would seem, from your post, that the sys admin staff may have missed a step. As I suggested, take this up with your sys admin staff, if you are having this problem, I'm guessing others are too. For a little background reading, follow the link below. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367 Quote
Guest Beoweolf Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Not knowing the extent of your domain Group policy controls, I could also suggest going through "Control Panel"? .....If you have access to "services", did you already try to disable it. "services (local)" > Windows Defender > properties > disabled OK > exit? "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > our > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > thing > off? > -- > Sandy Wood > Orange County District Attorney </span> Quote
Guest Sandy Wood Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Thanks for the response. I've looked through and double-checked the group policies applied to my machine (I'm the admin for my machine and the domain) and the RSOP doesn't show anything Windows Defender related. I do have the requisite Forefront policy settings in group policy (I'm also the Forefront admin) but from what I can see they don't include any Windows Defender settings from what I can see. Thanks for the link to the Windows Defender Group Policy template article. Looks like I should consider adding a GPO to disable Windows Defender on our Vista machines as this is a step that Microsoft left out. Appreciate the help and tips. -- Sandy Wood Orange County District Attorney "Beoweolf" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > > our > > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > > thing > > off? > > -- > > Sandy Wood > > Orange County District Attorney</span> > > It appears there is a group policy setting, either at the local or domain > level, which is overriding your manual disable at your workstation/PC. If > you are not the system administrator, then bring this issue to their > attention. As you mentioned, Forefront is a centralize, subscription-based > solution where Windows Defender is a good, but limited solution best suited > for SOHO users that can't, won't or don't want to make a conscious effort, > responsibility for their own data protection. Its a good product, its just > limited in scope and manageability. > > There are ways to suppress Windows Defender, in the case where a more > comprehensive solution is in place. It would seem, from your post, that the > sys admin staff may have missed a step. > > As I suggested, take this up with your sys admin staff, if you are having > this problem, I'm guessing others are too. For a little background reading, > follow the link below. > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367 > </span> Quote
Guest Sandy Wood Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal would work the best for us in our environment. -- Sandy Wood Orange County District Attorney "Beoweolf" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Not knowing the extent of your domain Group policy controls, I could also > suggest going through "Control Panel"? > > ....If you have access to "services", did you already try to disable it. > "services (local)" > Windows Defender > properties > disabled OK > exit? > > > "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > > our > > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > > thing > > off? > > -- > > Sandy Wood > > Orange County District Attorney </span> > </span> Quote
Guest Mr GRiM Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Just type msconfig in the search bar and go to start up and disable it from there that's how I did it. -- Mr GRiM Quote
Guest Paul Montgomery Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:57:02 -0700, Sandy Wood <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move >towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to >develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing >the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose >I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal >would work the best for us in our environment.</span> You can disable it (in Administrative Services) but I don't believe that you can uninstall it in Vista. In XP, yes, but not in Vista. Quote
Guest Sandy Wood Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Looks like disabling the service is the way to go. We've added this change to our base Vista Enterprise image. -- Sandy Wood Orange County District Attorney "Paul Montgomery" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:57:02 -0700, Sandy Wood <sandy.wood@nospam.com> > wrote: > <span style="color:green"> > >Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move > >towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to > >develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing > >the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I suppose > >I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but removal > >would work the best for us in our environment.</span> > > You can disable it (in Administrative Services) but I don't believe > that you can uninstall it in Vista. In XP, yes, but not in Vista. > </span> Quote
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 Perhaps this link might be useful: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367 -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > our > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > thing > off? > -- > Sandy Wood > Orange County District Attorney </span> Quote
Guest Sandy Wood Posted October 10, 2008 Posted October 10, 2008 I imagine that disabling Windows Defender in a GPO would be a far better practive than hard setting the service. Thanks for the link! -- Sandy Wood Orange County District Attorney "John Barnett MVP" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Perhaps this link might be useful: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367 > > -- > > -- > John Barnett MVP > Windows XP Associate Expert > Windows Desktop Experience > > Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org > Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org > Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com > > The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any > kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, > reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for > any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the > use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this > mail/post.. > > > "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security as > > our > > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for new > > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender in > > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > > thing > > off? > > -- > > Sandy Wood > > Orange County District Attorney </span> > > </span> Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 It is not part of XP SP3; thank heavens! When people have installed it on XP; it makes XP run extra slow! At least you can uninstall it from XP. -- Mad Mike "Beoweolf" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Since Windows defender is native to windows Vista (it is an add-on to XP, I > think it was part of SP3(?)). You can not actually "remove" Windows > defender, but as I mentioned - it can be disabled. > > There are several paths to "services", but the fact is the same - it > ultimately must be disabled in services. > > "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:C81EE536-2BC9-438F-A8E5-36EF88C1C317@microsoft.com...<span style="color:green"> > > Yes, I was considering that as an option. As we are just beginning to move > > towards replacing our XP SP3 fleet of machines with Vista, I'd like to > > develop a plan to idealling 'uninstall' Windows Defender before installing > > the Forefront Client. That would seem to be the cleanest solution. I > > suppose > > I could set the service to Disabled or create a GPO to disable it but > > removal > > would work the best for us in our environment. > > -- > > Sandy Wood > > Orange County District Attorney > > > > > > "Beoweolf" wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> Not knowing the extent of your domain Group policy controls, I could also > >> suggest going through "Control Panel"? > >> > >> ....If you have access to "services", did you already try to disable it. > >> "services (local)" > Windows Defender > properties > disabled OK > exit? > >> > >> > >> "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message > >> news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com... > >> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security > >> > as > >> > our > >> > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows > >> > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for > >> > new > >> > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender > >> > in > >> > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this > >> > thing > >> > off? > >> > -- > >> > Sandy Wood > >> > Orange County District Attorney > >> </span></span> > </span> Quote
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 That was just a link I came across while searching for something else and I thought it may be of interests. However, yes disabling in GPO would probably be a better practice. -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message news:5165A31D-3F73-40FF-932A-8120AF01E29D@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > I imagine that disabling Windows Defender in a GPO would be a far better > practive than hard setting the service. Thanks for the link! > -- > Sandy Wood > Orange County District Attorney > > > "John Barnett MVP" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Perhaps this link might be useful: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927367 >> >> -- >> >> -- >> John Barnett MVP >> Windows XP Associate Expert >> Windows Desktop Experience >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org >> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable >> for >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of >> the >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this >> mail/post.. >> >> >> "Sandy Wood" <sandy.wood@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:AD24B35B-5AB3-404F-BF6F-15CEBD87113A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > Running Vista Enterprise SP1. We're running ForeFront Client Security >> > as >> > our >> > AV / Spyware app. Each morning after I start my system up. the Windows >> > Defender icon appears in the tray with a note that I need to check for >> > new >> > definitions. Since we're running Forefront, I turn off Windows Defender >> > in >> > Tools > Options. The next day it's enabled again. How can I turn this >> > thing >> > off? >> > -- >> > Sandy Wood >> > Orange County District Attorney</span> >> >> </span></span> Quote
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