Guest ~BD~ Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Please see: http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c...0c-51de7d99758f Comment(s) here - in this thread, please. TIA Dave -- Quote
Guest Paul Adare Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:57:36 +0100, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Please see: > http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c...0c-51de7d99758f > > Comment(s) here - in this thread, please.</span> Here's a comment for you. Go Away. You contribute nothing here. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca Quote
Guest VanguardLH Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Please see: > http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c...0c-51de7d99758f > > Comment(s) here - in this thread, please. > > TIA > > Dave</span> Since the web page you listed doesn't provide an actual link to where "there" is, my guess is that it points at just one of the MVP lists. There is an mvps.org site. That's not a Microsoft official site. Go look at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx and search on "bear". The one you want to look at is, I think, Robear. Why he goes by PA Bear which doesn't match up with his name is his choice (obviously I wasn't named VanguardLH by my parents). So did you have an actual topic for your post? Or did you just want to go phishing, er, fishing for something, anything regarding this poster? Or might you be fishing to unfocused comments on your moniker and your posts? Quote
Guest TaurArian Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 And your point being? -- Disclaimer: The information has been posted "as is" with no warranties or guarantees and doesn''t give any rights. "~BD~" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Please see: > http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c...0c-51de7d99758f > > Comment(s) here - in this thread, please. > > TIA > > Dave > > -- > > > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:ecEqfI%23MJHA.5060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > ~BD~ wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Please see: >> http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/c...0c-51de7d99758f >> >> Comment(s) here - in this thread, please. >> >> TIA >> >> Dave</span> > > Since the web page you listed doesn't provide an actual link to where > "there" is, my guess is that it points at just one of the MVP lists. > There is an mvps.org site. That's not a Microsoft official site. Go > look at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx and > search on "bear". The one you want to look at is, I think, Robear. Why > he goes by PA Bear which doesn't match up with his name is his choice > (obviously I wasn't named VanguardLH by my parents). > > So did you have an actual topic for your post? Or did you just want to > go phishing, er, fishing for something, anything regarding this poster? > Or might you be fishing to unfocused comments on your moniker and your > posts?</span> Vanguard - I am confused by your post! Whilst not wishing to 'go against the grain' so to speak, as a picture is better than a thousand words, I've attached a screenshot of the page to which the link above takes me Edit Oh dear! Unable so to do! You will find the screenshot here: http://sites.google.com/site/boaterdavetj/tj I was 'fishing' for some help. Robear Dyer (PA= Pensylvania .... where he lives .....'Bear' =obvious) is the most profligate poster at www.aumha.net (just under 18,000 posts to date) and is 'everywhere' on the MS Newsgroups - I'm sure you will have noticed! Regrettably 'he' has not always told the truth about me (but I recognise that I am the only one that knows that!). Additionally, I am also now aware that it is a fairly simple matter to masquerade as someone else in the multifarious newsgroups and, indeed, to publish false 'Header' information and IP addresses ..... so it is almost impossible to determine exactly who posts what! The site to which my link (http://social.microsoft.com:80/Forums/en-U...0c-51de7d99758f ) was expected to direct you is the 'test' site at the new Microsoft Forums facility - utilised for this purpose so as not to disrupt normal business there. Having been investigating just how folk operate on these newsgroups for nearly three years now, I find it difficut to believe that Mr Dyer has not registered in the new facility under his normal username - but that appears to be the case. There may, of course, be a simple reason/explanation - hence directing my enquiry to 'him' directly in this thread (I am well aware that he has 'kill-filed' me - but he cannot fail to notice the responses of others, I'm sure!). HTH Dave -- Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 "TaurArian" <taurarian@gmail.com> wrote in message news:BE17656D-FB4E-4EFB-BB1D-3E379C6E7D66@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > And your point being? > > -- > Disclaimer: The information has been posted "as is" with no warranties or > guarantees and doesn''t give any rights. ></span> Thank you for helping me to attract Mr Dyer's attention, 'TaurArian'. style_emoticons/) No doubt you will review my response to 'VanguardLH' Dave -- Quote
Guest VanguardLH Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Vanguard - I am confused by your post! </span> Now you know how everyone else felt when they read yours. <span style="color:blue"> > Whilst not wishing to 'go against the > grain' so to speak, as a picture is better than a thousand words, I've > attached a screenshot of the page to which the link above takes me > > Edit Oh dear! Unable so to do! You will find the screenshot here: > http://sites.google.com/site/boaterdavetj/tj</span> Nothing there, either. 2 for 2. I saw the "post" (of what it was but was still undecipherable as to your intent) for the first attachment in this 2nd URL (which is a blank post with attachments). The 2nd attachment is a picture of a boat. Okay, but don't know how that relates to PA Bear of whatever you really meant to ask him. It's a pretty good bet that a vast majority of MVPs and other regulars here won't bother with those forums. <span style="color:blue"> > I was 'fishing' for some help. </span> On WHAT? That's why others have posted what they did for their replies. Your post seems an attack or a slight that you didn't bother to complete. If someone isn't over in those forums, why would you post a message in those forums asking why they aren't there? Why would you expect a mass migrate of MVPs into those pitiful forums? <span style="color:blue"> > Robear Dyer (PA= Pensylvania .... where he > lives .....'Bear' =obvious) is the most profligate poster </span> You want to back that up with proof posts about him being profligate? Or maybe you misunderstand what that word means versus proliferous. You do realize that the term you used was an insult, right? If profligate is what you actually meant to use, why would you want him around? <span style="color:blue"> > at www.aumha.net</span> You expect Usenet regulars to bother gathering statistics at some other venue for public communications? <span style="color:blue"> > (just under 18,000 posts to date) </span> At aumha.net? Or in newsgroups? <span style="color:blue"> > and is 'everywhere' on the MS Newsgroups -</span> In newsgroups, looks like he's racked up 90,000 posts: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:pa+author:bear I have over 7,000 posts and that's only for my VanguardLH moniker that I started using since April 11. I used VanguardLH before that but Google Groups searching omits non-alphanumeric characters. Before that I was Vanguard but it wasn't unique enough (others were using that moniker) so I don't know how many total posts I've made so far. Lots. <span style="color:blue"> > I'm sure you will have noticed! Regrettably 'he' has not always told the > truth about me (but I recognise that I am the only one that knows that!). > Additionally, I am also now aware that it is a fairly simple matter to > masquerade as someone else in the multifarious newsgroups </span> PA Bear has probably been in around 256 newsgroups (see http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...75xS36mXc24h6ww). I've only been in 78 newsgroups (under my current VanguardLH moniker) but presently I'm only monitoring 38 of them. <span style="color:blue"> > and, indeed, to > publish false 'Header' information and IP addresses ..... so it is almost > impossible to determine exactly who posts what!</span> Usually you can still tell the imposters by using the headers. They would need to use an NNTP server that let them lie about several or all of the overview NNTP headers (only one that I know that does that is news.alt.net and I tag those since trolls like to use it, but then I also tag dizum and other mail2news posters who like hiding behind a proxy). However, unless you save your own cache of old posts by leeching all posts from an NNTP server so you have your own full history, you may not have the info needed to follow a nymshifter or imposter. Most aren't very smart and can be identified. <span style="color:blue"> > The site to which my link > (http://social.microsoft.com:80/Forums/en-U...0c-51de7d99758f > ) was expected to direct you is the 'test' site at the new Microsoft Forums > facility - utilised for this purpose so as not to disrupt normal business > there.</span> http://social.microsoft.com "Welcome to Microsoft Social, a central place to manage your bookmarks and share them with other people on Microsoft." What "this purpose" were you talking about? The forums are at: http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/categories/ Guess it's easier for Microsoft to create a new forum in their server software than trying to go through the process of adding a new newsgroup. Of course, that means without a gateway to publish those posts back and forth to Usenet (like Microsoft did with their Communities forums that pretended to be forums instead of Usenet) that there will be lost all those Usenet participants in those forums. I certainly am not going to bother with those "private" forums. Google Groups and Yahoo Groups have their private forums, too (i.e., not gatewayed to Usenet). I already waste too much time in Usenet to spend more of in private forums. However, if those forums are NOT gatewayed to Usenet then they might be moderated. While some Usenetters don't like censorship, many users prefer a moderated environment for their discussions. Just doesn't seem to be much of a selection right now. Searching in those forums definitely sucks. You'll have to give URLs to example posts by PA Bear or an imposter of him for anyone here to know what you are talking about. <span style="color:blue"> > Having been investigating just how folk operate on these newsgroups for > nearly three years now, I find it difficut to believe that Mr Dyer has not > registered in the new facility under his normal username - but that appears > to be the case. </span> Well, you won't see me over there, either. There are only a few forums over there. Searching sucks. I do visit some forums and their software is a lot better. It's going to be a LOT smaller community size over there. Don't expect anyone here to waste their time over there. There's only a little over 30 forums there. <span style="color:blue"> > There may, of course, be a simple reason/explanation - hence > directing my enquiry to 'him' directly in this thread (I am well aware that > he has 'kill-filed' me - but he cannot fail to notice the responses of > others, I'm sure!).</span> Neither can you. No one knew by your original post what the heck you were trying to elicit for a conversation or comments. When others say your post, and probably PA Bear, the reaction was probable "WTF is this?" From what I gather from your post, the forum message, and your reply is that you want PA Bear to participate in those forums besides spending time here (and presumably used profligate incorrectly). I only had a fleeting glance at those forums. Doesn't look like anywhere that I'll spend time. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:gdmq6t$q86$1@registered.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > ~BD~ wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Vanguard - I am confused by your post!</span> > > Now you know how everyone else felt when they read yours.</span> OK - you win! style_emoticons/ <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> Whilst not wishing to 'go against the >> grain' so to speak, as a picture is better than a thousand words, I've >> attached a screenshot of the page to which the link above takes me >> >> Edit Oh dear! Unable so to do! You will find the screenshot here: >> http://sites.google.com/site/boaterdavetj/tj</span> > > Nothing there, either. 2 for 2.</span> I'm afraid that I'm uncertain what you mean by '2 for 2', so cannot comment. <span style="color:blue"> > I saw the "post" (of what it was but was still undecipherable as to your > intent) for the first attachment in this 2nd URL (which is a blank post > with attachments). The 2nd attachment is a picture of a boat.</span> The 'boat' ........ is mine! style_emoticons/ <span style="color:blue"> > Okay, but don't know how that relates to PA Bear of whatever you really > meant > to ask him. It's a pretty good bet that a vast majority of MVPs and > other regulars here won't bother with those forums. ><span style="color:green"> >> I was 'fishing' for some help.</span> > > On WHAT? That's why others have posted what they did for their replies. > Your post seems an attack or a slight that you didn't bother to > complete. If someone isn't over in those forums, why would you post a > message in those forums asking why they aren't there?</span> My message was in the 'test' area. It 'posted' just as I'd hoped it would in a practical sense. Whilst I cannot be 100% certain, I'm pretty sure that there was no record of PA Bear 'over there' when my test post was made. There is now a member entry for PA Bear. I have a theory that 'bad guys' always make mistakes. Maybe that was another of them! (i.e. a correction has now been made) <span style="color:blue"> > Why would you expect a mass migrate of MVPs into those pitiful forums?</span> I don't! <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> Robear Dyer (PA= Pensylvania .... where he >> lives .....'Bear' =obvious) is the most profligate poster</span> > > You want to back that up with proof posts about him being profligate? > Or maybe you misunderstand what that word means versus proliferous. You > do realize that the term you used was an insult, right?</span> A mistake on my part. I had meant to say prolific. No insult was intended. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> at www.aumha.net</span> > > You expect Usenet regulars to bother gathering statistics at some other > venue for public communications? ><span style="color:green"> >> (just under 18,000 posts to date)</span> > > At aumha.net?</span> Yes! <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> and is 'everywhere' on the MS Newsgroups -</span> > > In newsgroups, looks like he's racked up 90,000 posts: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:pa+author:bear > > I have over 7,000 posts and that's only for my VanguardLH moniker that I > started using since April 11. I used VanguardLH before that but Google > Groups searching omits non-alphanumeric characters. Before that I was > Vanguard but it wasn't unique enough (others were using that moniker) so > I don't know how many total posts I've made so far. Lots.</span> Are you still 'working' too? <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> I'm sure you will have noticed! Regrettably 'he' has not always told the >> truth about me (but I recognise that I am the only one that knows >> that!). >> Additionally, I am also now aware that it is a fairly simple matter to >> masquerade as someone else in the multifarious newsgroups</span> > > PA Bear has probably been in around 256 newsgroups (see > http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?en...75xS36mXc24h6ww). > I've only been in 78 newsgroups (under my current VanguardLH moniker) > but presently I'm only monitoring 38 of them.</span> That doesn't mean he's a better man than you! <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> and, indeed, to >> publish false 'Header' information and IP addresses ..... so it is almost >> impossible to determine exactly who posts what!</span> > > Usually you can still tell the imposters by using the headers. They > would need to use an NNTP server that let them lie about several or all > of the overview NNTP headers (only one that I know that does that is > news.alt.net and I tag those since trolls like to use it, but then I > also tag dizum and other mail2news posters who like hiding behind a > proxy). However, unless you save your own cache of old posts by > leeching all posts from an NNTP server so you have your own full > history, you may not have the info needed to follow a nymshifter or > imposter. Most aren't very smart and can be identified. ><span style="color:green"> >> The site to which my link >> (http://social.microsoft.com:80/Forums/en-U...0c-51de7d99758f >> ) was expected to direct you is the 'test' site at the new Microsoft >> Forums >> facility - utilised for this purpose so as not to disrupt normal business >> there.</span> > > http://social.microsoft.com > "Welcome to Microsoft Social, a central place to manage your bookmarks > and share them with other people on Microsoft." > > What "this purpose" were you talking about? The forums are at:</span> You've lost me! style_emoticons/ I'm sorry. <span style="color:blue"> > http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/categories/ > > Guess it's easier for Microsoft to create a new forum in their server > software than trying to go through the process of adding a new > newsgroup. Of course, that means without a gateway to publish those > posts back and forth to Usenet (like Microsoft did with their > Communities forums that pretended to be forums instead of Usenet) that > there will be lost all those Usenet participants in those forums. I > certainly am not going to bother with those "private" forums. Google > Groups and Yahoo Groups have their private forums, too (i.e., not > gatewayed to Usenet). I already waste too much time in Usenet to spend > more of in private forums. > > However, if those forums are NOT gatewayed to Usenet then they might be > moderated. While some Usenetters don't like censorship, many users > prefer a moderated environment for their discussions. Just doesn't seem > to be much of a selection right now. > > Searching in those forums definitely sucks. You'll have to give URLs to > example posts by PA Bear or an imposter of him for anyone here to know > what you are talking about. ><span style="color:green"> >> Having been investigating just how folk operate on these newsgroups for >> nearly three years now, I find it difficut to believe that Mr Dyer has >> not >> registered in the new facility under his normal username - but that >> appears >> to be the case.</span> > > Well, you won't see me over there, either. There are only a few forums > over there. Searching sucks. I do visit some forums and their software > is a lot better. It's going to be a LOT smaller community size over > there. Don't expect anyone here to waste their time over there. > There's only a little over 30 forums there.</span> Your thoughts and comments are noted. <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> There may, of course, be a simple reason/explanation - hence >> directing my enquiry to 'him' directly in this thread (I am well aware >> that >> he has 'kill-filed' me - but he cannot fail to notice the responses of >> others, I'm sure!).</span> > > Neither can you. No one knew by your original post what the heck you > were trying to elicit for a conversation or comments. When others say > your post, and probably PA Bear, the reaction was probable "WTF is > this?"</span> My understanding of 'Ping' is that I was targetting PA Bear - no-one else. <span style="color:blue"> > From what I gather from your post, the forum message, and your reply is > that you want PA Bear to participate in those forums besides spending > time here (and presumably used profligate incorrectly). I only had a > fleeting glance at those forums. Doesn't look like anywhere that I'll > spend time.</span> Not so, Vanguard. I have a hinky feeling that PA Bear, his 'master' at Aumha.net ..... and some of the other 'staff', may not actually be as they appear to be on the surface. I know little about the technicalities of computers, much like most folk who come to the Microsoft groups seeking help (and usually somewhat distraught - thus vulnerable!). Folk carry out all manner of actions under the guidance of 'experts' to clean their machines without having a clue as to what may transpire thereafter. Maybe they will leave the 'helper' forum with a clean machine - or might they have had unseen malware surrepticiously installed? No-one would ever know ........ would they?!! Dave -- Quote
Guest BurfordTJustice Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 You are a liar and a fraud! "~BD~" <~BD~@no.mail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:OP%23QK9GNJHA.276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... .. I know little about the technicalities of computers, much like most folk who come to the Microsoft groups seeking help (and usually somewhat distraught - thus vulnerable!). Folk carry out all manner of actions under the guidance of 'experts' to clean their machines without having a clue as to what may transpire thereafter. Maybe they will leave the 'helper' forum with a clean machine - or might they have had unseen malware surrepticiously installed? No-one would ever know ........ would they?!! Dave -- Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 How so? D. -- "BurfordTJustice" <hot@smokey.v8> wrote in message news:c66dnaTHZuDfB2LVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@trueband.net...<span style="color:blue"> > You are a liar and a fraud!</span> <snip> Quote
Guest Paul Adare Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:36:13 +0100, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > How so? > > D.</span> Take this to email, it is totally off topic and completely non-productive. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca Quote
Guest VanguardLH Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 Paul Adare wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Take this to email, it is totally off topic and completely non-productive.</span> Not possible. No one in this subthread uses a valid e-mail address for their posts. Quote
Guest Paul Adare Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:37:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Paul Adare wrote: > <span style="color:green"> >> Take this to email, it is totally off topic and completely non-productive.</span> > > Not possible. No one in this subthread uses a valid e-mail address for > their posts.</span> And that was extremely helpful and productive now wasn't it? -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted October 25, 2008 Posted October 25, 2008 On Oct 24, 6:08Â pm, Paul Adare <pkad...@gmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:37:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:<span style="color:green"> > > Paul Adare wrote:</span> ><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> > >> Take this to email, it is totally off topic and completely non-productive.</span></span> ><span style="color:green"> > > Not possible. Â No one in this subthread uses a valid e-mail address for > > their posts.</span> > > And that was extremely helpful and productive now wasn't it? > > -- > Paul Adare > MVP - Identity Lifecycle Managerhttp://www.identit.ca</span> Just like your response, Paul! In any event, VanguardLH wasn't correct. <s> Anyone may reach me at the address shown in this post (from Google Groups) In case of doubt ~BD~ posts from OE6 - but it's still me! HTH Dave -- Quote
Guest VanguardLH Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 BoaterDave wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Paul Adare wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> >> VanguardLH wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> >>> Paul Adare wrote: >>>> >>>> Take this to email, it is totally off topic and completely >>>> non-productive. >>> >>> Not possible. Â No one in this subthread uses a valid e-mail address >>> for their posts.</span> >> >> And that was extremely helpful and productive now wasn't it?</span> > > Just like your response, Paul! In any event, VanguardLH wasn't > correct. <s> Anyone may reach me at the address shown in this post > (from Google Groups) In case of doubt ~BD~ posts from OE6 - but it's > still me!</span> I don't waste time tracking down nymshifters to see what other monikers they might use to then see if they divulge a valid e-mail address under a different moniker. Also, I only disconnect a newsgroup thread to take it offline when there is a sensitive need to do so, like discussing some vulnerability that shouldn't be revealed in public to further help malcontents. For those nyms that DID post in this subthread up to my post at that time, none used a valid e-mail address. My statement made at that time was correct. My post exposing your suggestion as undoable and which rankled your ego doesn't obviate its validity. There is no guarantee that a subthread remains on-topic nor may it remain focused for participation by the entire Usenet community but rather become a personal venue of communication between just a few participants. That's why it's the anarchy called Usenet, not a moderated forum enforcing an Iron Claw posting policy. Even you should be able to recognize a subthread for which you don't want to waste time digging into. Quote
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