Guest ~BD~ Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 When looking at a hijackthis log today (not my own) I copied this item: http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&t...rio&pf=desktopI pasted same into Internet Explorer (IE7) address bar, clicked and I was actually taken here:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comI did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comThis was to be expected, I suppose, as AOL is based on/uses IE AFAICT.I then carried out a similar exercise with Firefox (3.0.4)and was taken here:http://compaq-desktop.aol.com/In all cases the 'final' site was the main AOL 'master' Web page. www.aol.com I Find this kind of thing intriguing. I'd welcome sme suggestions as to why this might happen.Dave (XP Home SP3 and updates - AOL is my ISP) Quote
Guest Peter Foldes Posted November 16, 2008 Posted November 16, 2008 Why do you have a need to crosspost this to 3 different newsgroups That link takes me and probably others to this page http://www.hp.com/#Product What you have is the AOL virus .You are definitely infected with it. To fix this virus get rid of AOL and use a proper ISP not one that is Proprietary like the latter and maybe just maybe you will be satisfied and happy after. I hope this satisfies your ignorance -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:%23%23GgJZ9RJHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > When looking at a hijackthis log today (not my own) I copied this item: > http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&t...rio&pf=desktopI > pasted same into Internet Explorer (IE7) address bar, clicked and I was > actually taken here:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comI did > the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same > place:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comThis was to be > expected, I suppose, as AOL is based on/uses IE AFAICT.I then carried out a > similar exercise with Firefox (3.0.4)and was taken > here:http://compaq-desktop.aol.com/In all cases the 'final' site was the > main AOL 'master' Web page. www.aol.com I Find this kind of thing > intriguing. I'd welcome sme suggestions as to why this might happen.Dave (XP > Home SP3 and updates - AOL is my ISP) > ></span> Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:5546848d-7291-40c7-a76e-98cf323c0d62@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com... You appear to indicate that AOL(UK) is, in itself, is an 'improper' ISP. You may be correct, but I wonder if you can substantiate that allegation. Can you? David One day when you have 3 or 4 hours spare, go into the Windows Registry ( Start/run - type regedit - enter) and click Find and enter AOL. Count the number of changes that AOL makes to the windows registry? Write then all down, count them, and let me know.. OK? I once spent 6 hours removing AOL from a friend's computer manually. I thought it would be a 10 minute job. Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 On Nov 17, 5:27 am, "Andrew Taylor" <andrewcrumpleh...@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "BoaterDave" <BoaterD...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:5546848d-7291-40c7-a76e-98cf323c0d62@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com... > >    You appear to indicate that AOL(UK) is, in itself, is an > 'improper' > ISP. You may be correct, but I wonder if you can substantiate that > allegation. Can you? > > David > > One day when you have 3 or 4 hours spare, go into the Windows Registry ( > Start/run - type regedit - enter) and click Find and enter AOL. Count the > number of changes that AOL makes to the windows registry? Write then all > down, count them, and let me know.. OK? > > I once spent 6 hours removing AOL from a friend's computer manually. I > thought it would be a 10 minute job.</span> I take your point Andrew! style_emoticons/ The registry changes can only be made though (I think!) if the actual AOL programme is installed - in my case AOL9 VR What Peter Foldes seemed to imply was that AOL(UK) as an Internet Service Provider (ISP) is not to be trusted. As far as I am aware, AOL is next only to BT (is the second biggest) Broadband supplier in the UK. I'm sure 'someone' would have noticed if they were up to no good (wouldn't they? <vbg>) I'm not so sure about Hewlett Packard though. This is some of the info. my printer sends back to base: I'm sure I will have authorised HP to collect data when I accepted their Terms and Conditions, but I do wonder if other manufacturers take the liberty of sendin back user activity back to its HQ. Do you (or anyone else) know? I found it intriguing that the 'questionable' link I found leads to .......... HP! 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Guest Richard Urban Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 Long ago I worked on a fellows computer. I did it as a "favor" without compensation. The job took me about 7 hours. I gave the computer back to him and told him if he put anything from AOL on it I would no longer help him out. Damned if he didn't call me up about 6 weeks later with a problem. I went to his home and, sure enough, there was a bunch of AOL crap on the computer again. I walked - as I told him I would! -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23YoXjN%23RJHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... Why do you have a need to crosspost this to 3 different newsgroups That link takes me and probably others to this page http://www.hp.com/#Product What you have is the AOL virus .You are definitely infected with it. To fix this virus get rid of AOL and use a proper ISP not one that is Proprietary like the latter and maybe just maybe you will be satisfied and happy after. I hope this satisfies your ignorance -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:%23%23GgJZ9RJHA.4524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > When looking at a hijackthis log today (not my own) I copied this item: > http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&t...rio&pf=desktopI > pasted same into Internet Explorer (IE7) address bar, clicked and I was > actually taken here:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comI did > the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same > place:http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.comThis was to be > expected, I suppose, as AOL is based on/uses IE AFAICT.I then carried out > a > similar exercise with Firefox (3.0.4)and was taken > here:http://compaq-desktop.aol.com/In all cases the 'final' site was the > main AOL 'master' Web page. www.aol.com I Find this kind of thing > intriguing. I'd welcome sme suggestions as to why this might happen.Dave > (XP > Home SP3 and updates - AOL is my ISP) > > </span> Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted November 17, 2008 Posted November 17, 2008 On Nov 17, 1:43Â pm, "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Long ago I worked on a fellows computer. I did it as a "favor" without > compensation. The job took me about 7 hours. I gave the computer back to him > and told him if he put anything from AOL on it I would no longer help him > out. > > Damned if he didn't call me up about 6 weeks later with a problem. I went to > his home and, sure enough, there was a bunch of AOL crap on the computer > again. > > I walked - as I told him I would! > > -- > > Richard Urban > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience ></span> Thanks for the tale, Richard :-) Things can, and do, change (for the better I trust!) Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply uses the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband connection, but NOT the AOL browser etc., no registry changes will (or can possibly be) made on ones computer. Please let me know if I'm mistaken about this. Dave Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted November 18, 2008 Posted November 18, 2008 "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:7d15eb32-3422-4d35-85c2-a6720e7eed1a@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com... I take your point Andrew! style_emoticons/ The registry changes can only be made though (I think!) if the actual AOL programme is installed - in my case AOL9 VR What Peter Foldes seemed to imply was that AOL(UK) as an Internet Service Provider (ISP) is not to be trusted. As far as I am aware, AOL is next only to BT (is the second biggest) Broadband supplier in the UK. I'm sure 'someone' would have noticed if they were up to no good (wouldn't they? <vbg>) I always used to say that AOL was aimed at children and geriatrics and this was borne out by the big buttons with pictures on them. When you turn your computer over to AOL, you take THEIR browser and THEIR e-mail system, plus all the gadgets and gizmos that they think you need. With a _real_ ISP, you just make a connection to their modem and use the features that Microsoft gave you on your computer when you purchased it. In the main, people took AOL as an ISP because of the free installation discs that appeared in you life at every corner and their marketing of free minutes, and aggressive sales tactics. AOL isn't to be trusted because of the thousands of changes it makes to your computer without you being aware. When I took Freeserve as an ISP, I just set up a connection to their phone number, that was it. I used Internet Explorer and Outlook Express as supplied by Microsoft and set up the accounts myself. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted November 19, 2008 Posted November 19, 2008 "Andrew Taylor" <andrewcrumplehorn@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.com> wrote in message news:492254dc$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...<span style="color:blue"> > > "BoaterDave" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:7d15eb32-3422-4d35-85c2-a6720e7eed1a@c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > > I take your point Andrew! style_emoticons/ > > The registry changes can only be made though (I think!) if the actual > AOL programme is installed - in my case AOL9 VR > > What Peter Foldes seemed to imply was that AOL(UK) as an Internet > Service Provider (ISP) is not to be trusted. As far as I am aware, AOL > is next only to BT (is the second biggest) Broadband supplier in the > UK. I'm sure 'someone' would have noticed if they were up to no good > (wouldn't they? <vbg>) ></span> <snip><span style="color:blue"> > > AOL isn't to be trusted because of the thousands of changes it makes to > your computer without you being aware. ></span> Maybe you can comment Andrew. "Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply uses the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband connection, but one does NOT install the AOL browser etc., NO registry changes will (or can possibly) be made to one's computer." Am I correct? TIA Dave -- Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message news:%23KUNkpkSJHA.4576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > Maybe you can comment Andrew. > > "Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply uses > the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband connection, > but one does NOT install the AOL browser etc., NO registry changes will > (or can possibly) be made to one's computer." Am I correct? ></span> At some stage you must have installed AOL V9 from an AOL installation disk? Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 On Nov 21, 7:25Â am, "Andrew Taylor" <andrewcrumpleh...@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "~BD~" <~...@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message > > news:%23KUNkpkSJHA.4576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... ><span style="color:green"> > > Maybe you can comment Andrew.</span> ><span style="color:green"> > > "Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply uses > > the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband connection, > > but one does NOT install the AOL browser etc., NO registry changes will > > (or can possibly) be made to one's computer." Am I correct?</span> > > At some stage you must have installed AOL V9 from an AOL installation disk?</span> Not so, Andrew! Well, to be truthful (as always!) I have, in the past, used an installation disk provided by AOL to initiate matters (especially in dial-up days). When I first subscribed to Broadband when it became available here by the sea (in Devon) AOL sent, by post, a Netgear router and a special 'set-up' CD which programmed the router as well as installing the AOL browser. It also doubled-up as an easy route to set up a home network by inserting it into another computer! However, right now I am scribing this note on machine with a freshly installed Windows XP SP3 OS and which has had NO disk from AOL anywhere near it! Nor have I downloaded AOL 9.0 VR from the Internet (which is possible and which I've done in the past). So this 'clean' machine is connected wirelessly to the router which I have set up manually with Wi-Fi Protected Accessâ„¢ (WPA). It is thereby connected to the Internet. One reason I've stuck with AOL as my ISP is because their stated priority is to strive to provide a 'safe' web environment (don't laugh!). Maybe, just maybe, their server provides a modicum of additional protection! HTH Dave -- Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 "Peter Foldes" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Why do you have a need to crosspost this to 3 different newsgroups > > That link takes me and probably others to this page http://www.hp.com/#Product > > What you have is the AOL virus .You are definitely infected with it. To fix this virus get rid of AOL and use a proper ISP not one that is Proprietary like the latter and maybe just maybe you will be satisfied and happy after. > > I hope this satisfies your ignorance</span> <span style="color:blue"> > -- > Peter > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.</span> I apologise for my ignorance, Mr Foldes but I still do not understand. I think that you are, perhaps, 'pulling my leg' as we say in the UK! style_emoticons/ So. I'll ask again: "Imbeady2" <Imbeady2@nomail.Im.afraid> wrote in message news:uFFLhAITJHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > When looking at a hijackthis log today (not my own) I copied this item: > > http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&t...rio&pf=desktopI > > I then pasted same into Internet Explorer (IE7) address bar, clicked and I > was actually taken here: http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com > > I did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place: > http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com > > This was to be expected, I suppose, as AOL is based on/uses IE AFAICT. > > I then carried out a similar exercise with Firefox (3.0.4)and was taken > here: http://compaq-desktop.aol.com/ > > In all cases the 'final' site was the main AOL 'master' Web page. > www.aol.com > > NOW that same link above takes one to http://www.hp.com/#Product > > I find this kind of thing intriguing. I'd welcome some suggestions as to why > this might happen. > > Dave (XP Home SP3 and updates - AOL is my ISP)</span> -- Quote
Guest Peter Foldes Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 <span style="color:blue"> > I did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place: > http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com</span> Andrew The above is from one of his posts just a few days ago.So much for BD not having AOL installed.Who knows what to believe -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Andrew Taylor" <andrewcrumplehorn@spamcopSUBVERSIVE.com> wrote in message news:49266258$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...<span style="color:blue"> > > "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message > news:%23KUNkpkSJHA.4576@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> Maybe you can comment Andrew. >> >> "Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply uses >> the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband connection, >> but one does NOT install the AOL browser etc., NO registry changes will >> (or can possibly) be made to one's computer." Am I correct? >></span> > At some stage you must have installed AOL V9 from an AOL installation disk? > ></span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OAas0UITJHA.5676@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > I did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place: > http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com</span> Andrew The above is from one of his posts just a few days ago.So much for BD not having AOL installed.Who knows what to believe -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. -- You may (and should!) believe what I tell you! I said ".... right now I am scribing this note on machine with a freshly installed Windows XP SP3 OS and which has had NO disk from AOL anywhere near it!" Are you OK, Peter? No sleep problems? I noted that your post was timed at 0932 GMT - isn't that some time in the middle of the night in Canada? That is where you have told me you live. Dave -- Quote
Guest Richard Urban Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 BoaterDave wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Nov 17, 1:43 pm, "Richard Urban" > <richardurbanREMOVET...@hotmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> Long ago I worked on a fellows computer. I did it as a "favor" without >> compensation. The job took me about 7 hours. I gave the computer back to him >> and told him if he put anything from AOL on it I would no longer help him >> out. >> >> Damned if he didn't call me up about 6 weeks later with a problem. I went to >> his home and, sure enough, there was a bunch of AOL crap on the computer >> again. >> >> I walked - as I told him I would! >> >> -- >> >> Richard Urban >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Desktop Experience >></span> > > > Thanks for the tale, Richard :-) > > Things can, and do, change (for the better I trust!) > > Maybe I'm wrong about this, but my perception is that if one simply > uses the telephone line (duly activated by AOL) for ones Broadband > connection, but NOT the AOL browser etc., no registry changes will (or > can possibly be) made on ones computer. Please let me know if I'm > mistaken about this. > > Dave</span> How do you "activate" a telephone? You don't do it by inserting the AOL disk, do you. You get an ISP. They either come to your home to make physical changes to your phone lines or it is done 100% from a central office somewhere. You are turned on or turned off. But there is no activation involved. So - what exactly are YOU doing? Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted November 23, 2008 Posted November 23, 2008 "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uuvotdNTJHA.5408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... <snip>><span style="color:blue"> > > How do you "activate" a telephone? You don't do it by inserting the AOL > disk, do you.</span> NO!!!! (See below) <span style="color:blue"> > You get an ISP. They either come to your home to make physical changes to > your phone lines or it is done 100% from a central office somewhere. > > You are turned on or turned off. But there is no activation involved. > > So - what exactly are YOU doing?</span> -- Hello Richard I found this ............ which might help you to understand! http://www.greenisp.net/resources_infosheets/adsl_info.htm HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BE ACTIVATED? At the present time most ADSL lines are activated within 7 to 10 working days, once the line is declared ready for activation you will be given an estimated and Actual Activation date in your Green ISP Control Panel usually (keep an eye on your Control Panel) cp.greenisp.org WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? Once you have placed the order for ADSL services the procedure is that the Telecom's Engineers will do further checks on the condition and function of the actual line. Once this has been done then it is decided when the line will be Activated. Your telephone line must be connected to an ADSL enabled BT exchange, it must also be of suitable Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted November 23, 2008 Posted November 23, 2008 "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23f2cUKJTJHA.4148@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > You may (and should!) believe what I tell you! > > I said ".... right now I am scribing this note on machine with a freshly > installed Windows XP SP3 OS and which has had NO disk from AOL > anywhere near it!" > > Are you OK, Peter? No sleep problems? > > I noted that your post was timed at 0932 GMT - isn't that some time in the > middle of the night in Canada? That is where you have told me you live. ></span> That is only 2:32 in the morning. I am often up at that time if I am starting work at 12:00 mid-day. Quote
Guest BoaterDave Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 On Nov 22, 9:32Â am, "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote:<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> > > I did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place: > >http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com</span> > > Andrew > > Â The above is from one of his posts just a few days ago.So much for BD not having AOL installed.Who knows what to believe > > -- > Peter > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. ></span> -- I may have missed your answer Mr Peter Foldes - DID you explain? When looking at a hijackthis log today (not my own) I copied this item: http://ie.redirect.hp.com/svs/rdr?TYPE=3&t...ale=EN_US&c=Q10... I then pasted same into Internet Explorer (IE7) address bar, clicked and I was actually taken here: http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com I did the same thing with my AOL browser and ended up at the same place: http://www.aol.co.uk/?src=compaq-desktop.aol.com This was to be expected, I suppose, as AOL is based on/uses IE AFAICT. I then carried out a similar exercise with Firefox (3.0.4)and was taken here: http://compaq-desktop.aol.com/ In each and every case the 'final' site arrived at was the main AOL 'master' Web page. www.aol.com However, NOW that same link above takes one to http://www.hp.com/#Product I find this kind of thing intriguing. I'd welcome some suggestions as to why this might happen. Dave (XP Home SP3 and updates - AOL is my ISP) Quote
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