Guest Jo-Anne Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.239ef79bbcb54d1498973d@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <E9E27F95-9391-42AF-8CEF-5770F5500C99@microsoft.com>, > steve.riley@microsoft.com says...<span style="color:green"> >> I have a proposal for you -- actually, for everyone reading this thread. >> The >> MSRT creates a log file in %WINDIR%Debug. KB 890830 describes its >> output. >> If you ever encounter an instance of where the tool fails to properly >> clean >> a machine, the Microsoft Malware Protection Center is ready to help. Go >> to >> http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal, click on "Submit a Sample," and >> please send us your MRT.LOG file and a sample of the malware, if you can. >> We'd love to work with everyone to make sure the tool is as effective as >> possible. >></span> > > Steve, with all due respect, there are companies that have a single > business of removing malware, they do a better job at removing MORE than > the MSRT. > > My entire point was that most people don't take the MSRT seriously as it > removes a fraction of the malware out there, there are better tools > already on the market that are free, and they get better feedback from > other tools than from the MSRT. > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)</span> After all the praise of MSRT by Microsoft, I decided to run it the night before last, when I was suspicious that my computer had been invaded. It took 1.5 hours to scan my system--and for the last half hour the blue progress bar filled the space, pretending the scan was done--and found nothing. A later scan with two other malware tools, SuperAntiSpyware (which took just over an hour) and Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (which took 45 minues), found the Vundo trojan. Jo-Anne Jo-Anne Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 In article <OR0INBKVJHA.4456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, "Jo-Anne" <Jo- AnneATnowhere.com> says...<span style="color:blue"> > After all the praise of MSRT by Microsoft, I decided to run it the night > before last, when I was suspicious that my computer had been invaded. It > took 1.5 hours to scan my system--and for the last half hour the blue > progress bar filled the space, pretending the scan was done--and found > nothing. A later scan with two other malware tools, SuperAntiSpyware (which > took just over an hour) and Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (which took 45 > minues), found the Vundo trojan. > </span> That has been my experience every time, all other tools find things, MSRT finds nothing. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 From: "Jo-Anne" <Jo-AnneATnowhere.com> | After all the praise of MSRT by Microsoft, I decided to run it the night | before last, when I was suspicious that my computer had been invaded. It | took 1.5 hours to scan my system--and for the last half hour the blue | progress bar filled the space, pretending the scan was done--and found | nothing. A later scan with two other malware tools, SuperAntiSpyware (which | took just over an hour) and Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (which took 45 | minues), found the Vundo trojan. | Jo-Anne MRT doesn't target the Vundo Trojan/Virtumonde Adware. The same way I no longer suggest McAfee Stinger as a detection tool due to its limited target list. If someone was infected with something that Stinger targeted then OK but then again the McAfee Command Line Scanner from my Multi AV Scanning Tool will catch and remove everything Stinger targets and much, much, more. Now if you KNOW you have an infector targeted by MRT, that would be a different story. But, on the same note, a computer infected with one piece of malware may be infected with a different family of malware and thus a broad spectrum detection/removal tool is is the better approack thatn one with a sub-set target list. Getting back to why MRT is a good tool is tat it is updated, downloaded and executed monthly on you behalf. I applaau that fact ! -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 2, 2008 Posted December 2, 2008 "Steve Riley [MSFT]" <steve.riley@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E9E27F95-9391-42AF-8CEF-5770F5500C99@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > When the MSRT runs, if it finds what it looks for, it removes it and > reports that removal to Microsoft. If it finds nothing, it exits. Neither > I nor the tool nor the SIR make any claims that the MSRT completely cleans > a machine. As others have pointed out, it is one element of an effective > arsenal of tools to help improve security. > > Here's something interesting, which might even surprise you: this month > (November 2008) the single most prevalent piece of malware the tool > detects is Win32/FakeSecScan (rogues that mimic the Security Center). As > of 13 November, we've tracked 811,000 removals. This includes some > FakeSecScan threats that were no longer active when detected -- meaning > that they were incompletely cleaned manually or by other AV products, and > the MSRT successfully cleaned out the remaining bits. > > I have a proposal for you -- actually, for everyone reading this thread. > The MSRT creates a log file in %WINDIR%Debug. KB 890830 describes its > output. If you ever encounter an instance of where the tool fails to > properly clean a machine, the Microsoft Malware Protection Center is ready > to help. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal, click on "Submit > a Sample," and please send us your MRT.LOG file and a sample of the > malware, if you can. We'd love to work with everyone to make sure the tool > is as effective as possible. > > -- > Steve Riley > steve.riley@microsoft.com > http://blogs.technet.com/steriley > Protect Your Windows Network: http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321336437 > ></span> Quote:- "I believe that the MSRT exists in part because even after all this time many people do not run anti-malware tools. They should, but they don't. The MSRT focuses on the most prevalent, the most malicious, and removes them when found. It doesn't scan regularly, look for updates or monitor or anything like that, it just runs, looks for a specific and pre-defined set of known threats and removes them. And it's part of Windows Update so that more people will get it, automatically, when they take updates to Windows". An extract from 'Ask Leo', here:- http://ask-leo.com/just_what_is_the_malici...=1d4NcekHQpdfbL Dave -- Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.239ef79bbcb54d1498973d@us.news.astraweb.com... <snip> <span style="color:blue"> > My entire point was that most people don't take the MSRT seriously as it > removes a fraction of the malware out there, there are better tools > already on the market that are free, and they get better feedback from > other tools than from the MSRT. > > -- </span> You are entitled to your opinion, Leythos, but I personally believe that the MSRT is probably the biggest step Microsoft have ever taken in a bid to hit back at the bad guys. I support its use 100%! FYI - here is someone who DOES recommend MSRT! He says ............... "If you think that your computer has a rogue security program, you may contact me for expert malware detection and removal service. If you'd like to do it yourself: a.. Run System Restore to restore the computer to the way it was before the infection occurred. b.. If that doesn't remove the infection, download and run these removal tools: a.. Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool b.. Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware c.. Sophos Anti-Rootkit c.. After removal, update your antivirus program and run a full scan to check for other types of infections." You'll find the whole article here: http://www.bcmaven.com/newsletters/December2008.htm#Rogue Who says this? Mr Steve Winograd. He has a Master's degree in Computer Science and worked for 20 years as a computer programmer, specializing in operating systems, programming languages, and computer graphics. https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...4E-479DDAB0CBF3 HTH Dave Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 In article <Osz9k5TVJHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk says...<span style="color:blue"> > > "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.239ef79bbcb54d1498973d@us.news.astraweb.com... > <snip> > <span style="color:green"> > > My entire point was that most people don't take the MSRT seriously as it > > removes a fraction of the malware out there, there are better tools > > already on the market that are free, and they get better feedback from > > other tools than from the MSRT. > > > > -- </span> > > You are entitled to your opinion, Leythos, but I personally believe that the > MSRT is probably the biggest step Microsoft have ever taken in a bid to hit > back at the bad guys. I support its use 100%!</span> I've not said it's not a good thing that MS came out with it, not once. I've only stated that it's not effective as most tools on the market and because of that, no security people accept it as a viable tool in malware removal. It's great that MS came out with the MSRT, it's just too bad that they didn't choose to invest in securing the OS against those threats. <span style="color:blue"> > FYI - here is someone who DOES recommend MSRT! He says ............... > </span> [snipped instructions since they have nothing to do with thread] <span style="color:blue"> > http://www.bcmaven.com/newsletters/December2008.htm#Rogue > > Who says this? Mr Steve Winograd. He has a Master's degree in Computer > Science and worked for 20 years as a computer programmer, specializing in > operating systems, programming languages, and computer graphics. > https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...4E-479DDAB0CBF3</span> BD, I've worked designing computer hardware and programming in more than a dozen languages for over 30 years and I'm stating, with all my experience, that MSRT is not a viable tool to fight malware, it's too limited, to late, and MS would have been better off INVESTING in SECURING THE OS PLATFORM instead. You can quote thousands of people that believe the MSRT is great, but, what we don't have is numbers showing where it actually cleaned a machine, only that it removed malware it specifically targets, which, in most cases, leaves the machine STILL INFECTED. You can test this yourself - take a infected machine, something simple, 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT. just look at the latest malware, take what is released as malware last month (November) and a compromised machine, now, in the December release/update of the MSRT, see if it removes ALL of the malware on that machine - come back and tell us what you've found. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 From: "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> | MRT doesn't target the Vundo Trojan/Virtumonde Adware. Actually I was incorrect. MRT DOES traget the Vundo Trojan and Virtumonde Adware. What this information DOES prove is that MRT was unable to remove the variants you had on your PC. This shows that Micrososoft's statistics are skewed because it only collects data on removals and NOT failures to remove. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Richard Urban Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 No program is going to remove ALL the malware on a machine. You are holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain. Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do! Quote from you: You can test this yourself - take a infected machine, something simple, 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT. A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods he gets all of this game. He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set out to bag a deer? -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.23a0a7a4b97cff9b989740@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <Osz9k5TVJHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, > BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk says...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.239ef79bbcb54d1498973d@us.news.astraweb.com... >> <snip> >><span style="color:darkred"> >> > My entire point was that most people don't take the MSRT seriously as >> > it >> > removes a fraction of the malware out there, there are better tools >> > already on the market that are free, and they get better feedback from >> > other tools than from the MSRT. >> > >> > -- </span> >> >> You are entitled to your opinion, Leythos, but I personally believe that >> the >> MSRT is probably the biggest step Microsoft have ever taken in a bid to >> hit >> back at the bad guys. I support its use 100%!</span> > > I've not said it's not a good thing that MS came out with it, not once. > I've only stated that it's not effective as most tools on the market and > because of that, no security people accept it as a viable tool in > malware removal. > > It's great that MS came out with the MSRT, it's just too bad that they > didn't choose to invest in securing the OS against those threats. ><span style="color:green"> >> FYI - here is someone who DOES recommend MSRT! He says ............... >></span> > > [snipped instructions since they have nothing to do with thread] ><span style="color:green"> >> http://www.bcmaven.com/newsletters/December2008.htm#Rogue >> >> Who says this? Mr Steve Winograd. He has a Master's degree in Computer >> Science and worked for 20 years as a computer programmer, specializing in >> operating systems, programming languages, and computer graphics. >> https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=8...4E-479DDAB0CBF3</span> > > BD, I've worked designing computer hardware and programming in more than > a dozen languages for over 30 years and I'm stating, with all my > experience, that MSRT is not a viable tool to fight malware, it's too > limited, to late, and MS would have been better off INVESTING in > SECURING THE OS PLATFORM instead. > > You can quote thousands of people that believe the MSRT is great, but, > what we don't have is numbers showing where it actually cleaned a > machine, only that it removed malware it specifically targets, which, in > most cases, leaves the machine STILL INFECTED. > > You can test this yourself - take a infected machine, something simple, > 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other > major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT. > > just look at the latest malware, take what is released as malware last > month (November) and a compromised machine, now, in the December > release/update of the MSRT, see if it removes ALL of the malware on that > machine - come back and tell us what you've found. > > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 In article <ez322BZVJHA.5236@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > No program is going to remove ALL the malware on a machine. You are > holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain. > Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do!</span> Please show me any of the major NON-MS products that don't remove MORE malware than the MSRT. Please explain how almost every product on the market out performs that MSRT at malware removal, and that includes most FREE anti-malware apps. You seem to be under the impression that if a tool removes 1 malware item from X number of computers, that it's a good tool. So, if that's the case, then all malware tools that remove MORE malware items than the MSRT are BETTER tools. When we look at cleaning machines we look at the overall result, not just that a few malware items were removed and that the machine is still infect, we expect a malware removal tool to remove MOST if not all of them. Yes, you are right, and I've never said otherwise, there is not a single anti-malware tool on the market that removes everything all the time. If you ignore the MS hype, the MSRT, auto-distributed, is a good tool at removing malware that it targets, but we don't really know that to be true - we don't know how many times it failed to remove malware it targets. So, taken on the basis of what we know to be fact, MS releases a MSRT that gets updates and is installed on MOST windows computers, it reports back to MS when it removes malware. We are told that it's report back many times that it's worked. What we are NOT told is how many times it failed to remove malware it targeted. If you had a choice between the MSRT and any of the 5 major products that are free, which ONE would you pick? I can't think of any knowledgeable honest person that would pick the MSRT over the others on the market. As I've said, with thousands of computers, in my experience, the MSRT has been useless at helping clean computers of infected people. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 From: "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> | No program is going to remove ALL the malware on a machine. You are | holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain. | Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do! | Quote from you: You can test this yourself - take a infected machine, | something simple, | 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other | major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT. | A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 | squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods | he gets all of this game. | He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set | out to bag a deer? Good scenario. But, if we look at Jo-Anne's case of a Vundo infection, the hunter, with the intent of bagging 6 squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote came home empty handed. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Richard Urban Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 I have never said that the MRT is great. I have just said (consistently in this thread) that it is just another tool in a layers arsenal of removal tools. You are saying that it is worthless. HARDLY! -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.23a0d162e9fd9e6f989741@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <ez322BZVJHA.5236@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, > richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:green"> >> No program is going to remove ALL the malware on a machine. You are >> holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain. >> Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do!</span> > > Please show me any of the major NON-MS products that don't remove MORE > malware than the MSRT. > > Please explain how almost every product on the market out performs that > MSRT at malware removal, and that includes most FREE anti-malware apps. > > You seem to be under the impression that if a tool removes 1 malware > item from X number of computers, that it's a good tool. > > So, if that's the case, then all malware tools that remove MORE malware > items than the MSRT are BETTER tools. > > When we look at cleaning machines we look at the overall result, not > just that a few malware items were removed and that the machine is still > infect, we expect a malware removal tool to remove MOST if not all of > them. > > Yes, you are right, and I've never said otherwise, there is not a single > anti-malware tool on the market that removes everything all the time. > > If you ignore the MS hype, the MSRT, auto-distributed, is a good tool at > removing malware that it targets, but we don't really know that to be > true - we don't know how many times it failed to remove malware it > targets. > > So, taken on the basis of what we know to be fact, MS releases a MSRT > that gets updates and is installed on MOST windows computers, it reports > back to MS when it removes malware. We are told that it's report back > many times that it's worked. What we are NOT told is how many times it > failed to remove malware it targeted. > > If you had a choice between the MSRT and any of the 5 major products > that are free, which ONE would you pick? I can't think of any > knowledgeable honest person that would pick the MSRT over the others on > the market. > > As I've said, with thousands of computers, in my experience, the MSRT > has been useless at helping clean computers of infected people. > > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest Richard Urban Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 So the hunter eats oatmeal for supper today! (-: -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:eJT%230bZVJHA.3740@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > From: "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> > > | No program is going to remove ALL the malware on a machine. You are > | holding M/S to much higher standards than any company is able to attain. > | Please show me a program that will do what you expect MRT to do! > > | Quote from you: You can test this yourself - take a infected machine, > | something simple, > | 20-30 trojans and other things, run the MSRT, then go back and run other > | major tools, you WILL find that the MSRT missed a LOT. > > | A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 > | squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the > woods > | he gets all of this game. > > | He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't > set > | out to bag a deer? > > Good scenario. > But, if we look at Jo-Anne's case of a Vundo infection, the hunter, with > the intent of > bagging 6 squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote came home empty > handed. > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > </span> Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 3, 2008 Posted December 3, 2008 From: "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> | So the hunter eats oatmeal for supper today! (-: | -- | Richard Urban | Microsoft MVP | Windows Desktop Experience -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 In article <ez322BZVJHA.5236@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 > squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods > he gets all of this game. > > He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set > out to bag a deer? > </span> Bad scenario, you're looking at it from the MS side instead of the customers side. Try this on for a scenario: Hunter is HUNGRY, goes into woods, find raspberries doesn't see all of the Deer, Pheasant, Rabbits, nuts, etc.... Hunter comes home with just raspberries and claims it was good adventure to his family, they go mostly hungry because he missed all of the real food. The Hunter wanted food (a clean machine), but the hunter missed all of the obvious food types and only focused on 1 item for some unknown reason, and the hunter also missed that he could have setup traps, studied the land, taken friends, etc.... So, in effect, the hunter is next to worthless as a hunter, he missed the OBVIOUS. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Richard Urban Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 Again, you are implying that the Microsoft MRT should catch everything. Why do you think so. I admit it would be nice if I could find ANY single program that would catch everything! But, it isn't about to happen! -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.23a1fd6ceb650dfc989745@us.news.astraweb.com...<span style="color:blue"> > In article <ez322BZVJHA.5236@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, > richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:green"> >> A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 >> squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the >> woods >> he gets all of this game. >> >> He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't >> set >> out to bag a deer? >></span> > > Bad scenario, you're looking at it from the MS side instead of the > customers side. > > Try this on for a scenario: > > Hunter is HUNGRY, goes into woods, find raspberries doesn't see all of > the Deer, Pheasant, Rabbits, nuts, etc.... > > Hunter comes home with just raspberries and claims it was good adventure > to his family, they go mostly hungry because he missed all of the real > food. > > The Hunter wanted food (a clean machine), but the hunter missed all of > the obvious food types and only focused on 1 item for some unknown > reason, and the hunter also missed that he could have setup traps, > studied the land, taken friends, etc.... So, in effect, the hunter is > next to worthless as a hunter, he missed the OBVIOUS. > > > > -- > - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. > - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a > drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" > spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) </span> Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 From: "Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> | In article <ez322BZVJHA.5236@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, | richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> A hunter goes out into the woods with the intention of harvesting 6 >> squirrels, 4 rabbits , a pheasant and a coyote. After 6 hours in the woods >> he gets all of this game.</span></span> <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> He didn't shoot a deer. Does that make him a bad hunter - when he didn't set >> out to bag a deer?</span></span> | Bad scenario, you're looking at it from the MS side instead of the | customers side. | Try this on for a scenario: | Hunter is HUNGRY, goes into woods, find raspberries doesn't see all of | the Deer, Pheasant, Rabbits, nuts, etc.... | Hunter comes home with just raspberries and claims it was good adventure | to his family, they go mostly hungry because he missed all of the real | food. | The Hunter wanted food (a clean machine), but the hunter missed all of | the obvious food types and only focused on 1 item for some unknown | reason, and the hunter also missed that he could have setup traps, | studied the land, taken friends, etc.... So, in effect, the hunter is | next to worthless as a hunter, he missed the OBVIOUS. You're beating this subject matter to death ! -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 In article <essYvImVJHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com says...<span style="color:blue"> > Again, you are implying that the Microsoft MRT should catch everything. Why > do you think so. > > I admit it would be nice if I could find ANY single program that would catch > everything! But, it isn't about to happen!</span> The MS poster claimed it was a great product and posted stats that didn't not reflect the true ability of the product - that's why. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
Guest Leythos Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 In article <#iulQSmVJHA.5496@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net says...<span style="color:blue"> > You're beating this subject matter to death ! > </span> Yea, but when sitting here installing Server 2008 and SQL on 4 servers it's a little boring style_emoticons/ -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) Quote
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