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[Guest Leonard Grey]

So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software

("responsible for MANY people being infected with malware

due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")

 

On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft

software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected

by any type of malware.

 

All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so

let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my

soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.

---

Leonard Grey

Errare humanum est

 

David H. Lipman wrote:<span style="color:blue">

> From: "Leonard Grey" <l.grey@invalid.invalid>

>

> | In the first place, I believe the word is /capisce/ but I'll defer to

> | the Italians in the group.

>

> | However you describe it, you have a bone to pick. No big deal...everyone

> | has a bone to pick. But I don't post (or cross-post) to a public

> | newsgroup to tell people to stop using any and all Zone Alarm products

> | just because I disagree with the way Zone Alarm conducts its business.

>

> | And even if I were so inclined, I would do it in a newsgroup for Zone Alarm.

> | ---

> | Leonard Grey

> | Errare humanum est

>

> Except for the suspicions of a backdoor in ZoneAlarm inserted by (censored), it is

> intended to protect a PC.

>

> On the otherhand, SUN Java is responsible for MANY people being infected with malware

> due to they're overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.

>

> </span>

[Guest Ken Blake, MVP]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:41:55 -0500, Leonard Grey

<l.grey@invalid.invalid> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> In the first place, I believe the word is /capisce/ but I'll defer to

> the Italians in the group.</span>

 

 

I'm not Italian, but I speak some Italian. Yes, your spelling is

correct. It's the second person singular of the verb "capire." And, by

the way, it's pronounced ka-PEE-shay.

 

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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[Guest FromTheRafters]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message

news:uB89b0yWJHA.256@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue">

> From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org>

>

>

> | Thanks for mentioning this again, I was wondering if there was any

> | response. A vulnerable program in a known location is a very bad

> | thing securitywise.

>

> I brought it up on the semi-private Adobeforums and they were more

> interested in the URLs

> in my signature calling them spam and my quoting those I responded to.</span>

 

I suppose that is a typical response in that forum. Too bad. Good thing

that sort of thing never happens here (pick one).

 

[snipped the SPAM]

 

style_emoticons/D

[Guest ~BD~]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message

news:eEZiWSmWJHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

<span style="color:blue">

> There are some organizations, like ours, that REQUIRE Sun Java !

>

> Who needs it -- We do.

>

> --

> Dave</span>

 

--

 

I've snipped the SPAM too! style_emoticons/

 

If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I

might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman.

 

Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so,

maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do you think?

 

BDave

 

--

[Guest David H. Lipman]

A conformative reply in the Adobeforums would be like this one.

 

No quoting (or very little).

 

--

Dave

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>

 

 

| If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I

| might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman.

 

| Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so,

| maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do you think?

 

| BDave

 

My signature is fully conforming to Usenets standards as it is less that four lines long

and URLs in signatures are not spam.

 

The Adobeforums is semi-private. That is you must authenticate to post to the the

Adobeforums (have and account and password). It is semi-private because it has a one-way

propogation to Usenet. Posts and replys made at the Adobeforums propogate to Usenet.

Posts and replys made on Usenet do not propogate back to the Adobeforums. Therefore they

DO have the right to set limiting rules that are non conforming to Usenet standards.

 

As to the organization for which I work...

That's none of you f'n business and is NOT for public consumption, especially in an

International forum. There are reasons why this must be done and I can't even explain

why because it falls into the category of too much information.

 

Yes, we have web sites. There are Wikis on us too. Some of "our" web sites are public.

Other web sites you and other not in the "family" can not access, them even at the root

level.

 

 

--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Guest MowGreen [MVP]]

Leonard Grey wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software

> ("responsible for MANY people being infected with malware

> due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")

>

> On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft

> software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected

> by any type of malware.

>

> All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so

> let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my

> soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.

> ---

> Leonard Grey

> Errare humanum est

> </span>

 

I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are

'still investigating' style_emoticons/

 

capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ?

 

 

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]

===============

-343- FDNY

Never Forgotten

===============

[Guest Leonard Grey]

Si, si amigo ;-)

---

Leonard Grey

Errare humanum est

 

MowGreen [MVP] wrote:<span style="color:blue">

> Leonard Grey wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

>> So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software

>> ("responsible for MANY people being infected with malware

>> due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")

>>

>> On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft

>> software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected

>> by any type of malware.

>>

>> All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited,

>> so let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out

>> my soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.

>> ---

>> Leonard Grey

>> Errare humanum est

>></span>

>

> I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are

> 'still investigating' style_emoticons/

>

> capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ?

>

>

> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]

> ===============

> -343- FDNY

> Never Forgotten

> ===============

> </span>

[Guest Anteaus]

Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For

some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has

to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (style_emoticons/ install a memory-resident portion

to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every

once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the

system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com>

 

| Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For

| some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has

| to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (style_emoticons/ install a memory-resident portion

| to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every

| once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the

| system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.

 

This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was

Terminate and Stay Redsident.

 

--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Guest FromTheRafters]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message

news:eiwTgsDYJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue">

> From: "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com>

>

> | Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing.

> For

> | some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software

> has

> | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (style_emoticons/ install a memory-resident

> portion

> | to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run

> every

> | once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of

> the

> | system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.

>

> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,

> in DOS, it was

> Terminate and Stay Redsident.</span>

 

I recall having a discussion long ago about trend GUI's had for the

completely

unnecessary, precious cycle stealing, animations being displayed during move

or

copy operations. It's just one of those things - a bigger garage ends up

holding

a greater amount of crap - in fact you would think that since it was

apparenty

designed to hold more crap, you are obliged to collect more just to make

it

happy. Beyond that, evidently, you opt in for a crap-preloaded (happy)

garage

and pay the installer to remove most of it.

 

style_emoticons/)

[Guest Vadim Rapp]

> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, <span style="color:blue">

> in DOS, it was

> Terminate and Stay Redsident.</span>

 

I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some

practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of

today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the

"value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk

supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception

itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing

idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed

buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.

One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been

licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,

and it's easy to figure out why.

[Guest Vadim Rapp]

"Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:<7BB03887-6D52-4883-A9F8-510AA60FFA54@microsoft.com>...<span style="color:blue">

> Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For

> some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software

> has

> to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (style_emoticons/ install a memory-resident

> portion

> to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run

> every

> once-in-a-long-while to perform its task.</span>

 

They believe it's good marketing. The interesting question is who is more

stupid and who is paying whom - "value-added" vendors to the system

integrator for allowing their junk into the system because they believe it's

good marketing, or integrator to the vendors because it believes that the

junk actually adds value to the system.

[Guest David H. Lipman]

From: "Vadim Rapp" <nospam@sbcglobal.net>

<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

>> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,

>> in DOS, it was

>> Terminate and Stay Redsident.</span></span>

 

| I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some

| practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of

| today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the

| "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk

| supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception

| itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing

| idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed

| buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.

| One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been

| licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,

| and it's easy to figure out why.

 

 

Nope. Its the same. Its a program "stub" in memoy.

 

--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp