Guest ~BD~ Posted December 13, 2008 Posted December 13, 2008 "Peter Foldes" <okf122@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23QzdxVTXJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > go to 202.177.16.121 > ></span> IP address: 202.177.16.121 Reverse DNS: 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. Reverse DNS authenticity: XXXXX Could be forged: hostname 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist]XXXXX ASN: 7479 ASN Name: KDDHK-AS-AP (KDD HONG KONG LIMITED) IP range connectivity: 1 Registrar (per ASN): APNIC Country (per IP registrar): HK [Hong Kong] Country Currency: HKD [Hong Kong Dollars] Country IP Range: 202.177.0.0 to 202.177.31.255 Country fraud profile: Normal City (per outside source): Unknown Country (per outside source): -- [] Private (internal) IP? No IP address registrar: whois.apnic.net Known Proxy? No Link for WHOIS: 202.177.16.121 Quote
Guest Twayne Posted December 14, 2008 Posted December 14, 2008 Because Re: Why? > "Peter Foldes" <okf122@hotmail.com> wrote in message<span style="color:blue"> > news:%23QzdxVTXJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> go to 202.177.16.121 >> >></span> > > IP address: 202.177.16.121 > Reverse DNS: 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. > Reverse DNS authenticity: XXXXX Could be forged: hostname > 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist]XXXXX > ASN: 7479 > ASN Name: KDDHK-AS-AP (KDD HONG KONG LIMITED) > IP range connectivity: 1 > Registrar (per ASN): APNIC > Country (per IP registrar): HK [Hong Kong] > Country Currency: HKD [Hong Kong Dollars] > Country IP Range: 202.177.0.0 to 202.177.31.255 > Country fraud profile: Normal > City (per outside source): Unknown > Country (per outside source): -- [] > Private (internal) IP? No > IP address registrar: whois.apnic.net > Known Proxy? No > Link for WHOIS: 202.177.16.121</span> Quote
Guest Colton Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? -- /¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ \\ \\ Colton \\ http://explosion.debug-inc.com // educability@gmail.com // \\ PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javascript/IIS/Apache \\ Vista Home Premium User // // Anytime support, via email. (Do not spam.) // \____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:e96XBZZXJHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > "Peter Foldes" <okf122@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23QzdxVTXJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> go to 202.177.16.121 >> >></span> > > IP address: 202.177.16.121 > Reverse DNS: 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. > Reverse DNS authenticity: XXXXX Could be forged: hostname > 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist]XXXXX > ASN: 7479 > ASN Name: KDDHK-AS-AP (KDD HONG KONG LIMITED) > IP range connectivity: 1 > Registrar (per ASN): APNIC > Country (per IP registrar): HK [Hong Kong] > Country Currency: HKD [Hong Kong Dollars] > Country IP Range: 202.177.0.0 to 202.177.31.255 > Country fraud profile: Normal > City (per outside source): Unknown > Country (per outside source): -- [] > Private (internal) IP? No > IP address registrar: whois.apnic.net > Known Proxy? No > Link for WHOIS: 202.177.16.121</span> Quote
Guest Cody Jarrett Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:57:02 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? > >-- >/¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >\ > \ Colton > \ http://explosion.debug-inc.com > // educability@gmail.com > // > \ PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javascript/IIS/Apache > \ Vista Home Premium User > // > // Anytime support, via email. (Do not spam.) >// >_______________________________________________________________________</span> Why do you have such an obnoxious sig? I mean, IT IS REALLY OBNOXIOUS!!! Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message news:497BE699-D8B9-4A2D-8371-96B3542B15CB@microsoft.com... Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? -- Just a silly idea of mine in view of the fact that the authenticity of the URL seemed questionable, viz:- Reverse DNS authenticity: Could be forged: hostname 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist Perhaps you should ask Peter Foldes (who first posted the URL) what might happen if someone were to visit that site. I've not been there , so have no idea if it is a trap or not. There are lots of clever people on the Microsoft newsgroups, some with Virtual Machines. Someone may have been/be able to take a look to see if the site is/was infected in some way. Dave Quote
Guest Colton Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. -- Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 - http://explosion.debug-inc.com - educability@gmail.com "Cody Jarrett" <artcody@jarrett.invalid> wrote in message news:1efck49hn3t6d4sb3bsbav746h17orhh3m@4ax.com... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:57:02 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? > >-- >/¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ >\ > \ Colton > \ http://explosion.debug-inc.com > // educability@gmail.com > // > \ PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javascript/IIS/Apache > \ Vista Home Premium User > // > // Anytime support, via email. (Do not spam.) >// >_______________________________________________________________________</span> Why do you have such an obnoxious sig? I mean, IT IS REALLY OBNOXIOUS!!! Quote
Guest Cody Jarrett Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:37:44 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. > >-- > >Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache > >OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 > >- http://explosion.debug-inc.com >- educability@gmail.com</span> Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines. Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Cody Jarrett wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:37:44 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> > wrote: > <span style="color:green"> >> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. >> >> -- >> >> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache >> >> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 >> >> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com >> - educability@gmail.com</span> > > Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines.</span> Just curious, what difference does it make? Do get off being a net cop or what? Alias Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? The same reason you get off on being a jerk in so many newsgroups with your acid-tongued replies. "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message news:gi5jnq$kmv$3@news.motzarella.org... : Cody Jarrett wrote: : > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:37:44 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> : > wrote: : > : >> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. : >> : >> -- : >> : >> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache : >> : >> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 : >> : >> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com : >> - educability@gmail.com : > : > Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines. : : Just curious, what difference does it make? Do get off being a net cop : or what? : : Alias Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > The same reason you get off on being a jerk in so many newsgroups with your > acid-tongued replies.</span> Care to cite one or do we have to live with vague generalizations? BTW, "jerk" and "acid-tongued" are opinions (yours) and not facts. Alias<span style="color:blue"> > > "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message > news:gi5jnq$kmv$3@news.motzarella.org... > : Cody Jarrett wrote: > : > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:37:44 -0500, "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> > : > wrote: > : > > : >> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just > reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're > here to critique signatures; you've done your job. > : >> > : >> -- > : >> > : >> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache > : >> > : >> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 > : >> > : >> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com > : >> - educability@gmail.com > : > > : > Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines. > : > : Just curious, what difference does it make? Do get off being a net cop > : or what? > : > : Alias > > </span> Quote
Guest Colton Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Dave, Thanks for the information. As soon as I get my virtual box up on this computer again, I'll see if I can't find out why we're looking at this as a newsgroup topic. -- Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 - http://explosion.debug-inc.com - educability@gmail.com "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:%231OLwgqXJHA.4380@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:497BE699-D8B9-4A2D-8371-96B3542B15CB@microsoft.com... > Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? > > -- > > Just a silly idea of mine in view of the fact that the authenticity of the > URL seemed questionable, viz:- > > Reverse DNS authenticity: Could be forged: hostname > 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist > > Perhaps you should ask Peter Foldes (who first posted the URL) what might > happen if someone were to visit that site. I've not been there , so have > no idea if it is a trap or not. There are lots of clever people on the > Microsoft newsgroups, some with Virtual Machines. Someone may have been/be > able to take a look to see if the site is/was infected in some way. > > Dave > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? It's good of you to take the time and trouble to look, Colton. I'll be most interested to learn what, if anything, you find. Good luck! Dave -- "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message news:E9281952-8636-4A41-9A6A-223015703983@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Dave, > > Thanks for the information. As soon as I get my virtual box up on > this computer again, I'll see if I can't find out why we're looking at > this as a newsgroup topic. > > -- > > Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache > OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 > > - http://explosion.debug-inc.com > - educability@gmail.com > > > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%231OLwgqXJHA.4380@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:497BE699-D8B9-4A2D-8371-96B3542B15CB@microsoft.com... >> Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? >> >> -- >> >> Just a silly idea of mine in view of the fact that the authenticity >> of the URL seemed questionable, viz:- >> >> Reverse DNS authenticity: Could be forged: hostname >> 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist >> >> Perhaps you should ask Peter Foldes (who first posted the URL) what >> might happen if someone were to visit that site. I've not been there >> , so have no idea if it is a trap or not. There are lots of clever >> people on the Microsoft newsgroups, some with Virtual Machines. >> Someone may have been/be able to take a look to see if the site >> is/was infected in some way. >> >> Dave >></span> > </span> Quote
Guest N. Miller Posted December 15, 2008 Posted December 15, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:28:15 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:497BE699-D8B9-4A2D-8371-96B3542B15CB@microsoft.com...</span> <span style="color:blue"> > Yes, why are we posting whois information for this IP address? > > -- </span> Dave, this is pretty annoying; posting your reply after a sig separator, which causes a proper news reader to trim the quote, instead of mark it as a quote. In fact, your post makes it appear not to be your post at all. On to business ... <span style="color:blue"> > Just a silly idea of mine in view of the fact that the authenticity of > the URL seemed questionable, viz:- > > Reverse DNS authenticity: Could be forged: hostname > 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist > > Perhaps you should ask Peter Foldes (who first posted the URL) what > might happen if someone were to visit that site.</span> Nothing. I've been there. The "could be forged: hostname does not exist" is not something Peter can control; he does not own that IP address. It is a flaw in the way that 'kdd.net.hk' has set up their IP address host names, nothing more. I've noticed that the APNIC ISPs tend to set up dynamic hosts in unusual, and unexpected ways. I am not conversant in the requirements of the RFCs, but I don't think an ISP is required to provide more than a generic 'in-addr.arpa' pointer for a dynamically assigned IP address, thus: | 12/15/08 14:28:20 dig 202.177.16.121 @ 68.94.156.1 | Dig 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa@68.94.156.1 ... | Non-authoritative answer | Recursive queries supported by this server | Query for 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa type=255 class=1 | 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa PTR (Pointer) 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk Now, see what you can make of these: | 12/15/08 14:29:23 dns aosake.net | Mail for aosake.net is handled by reki.aosake.net | Canonical name: aosake.net | Addresses: | 68.126.43.169 That is a vanity domain, though I prefer to think of it as a "hobby" domain. I pay to use it. But I don't own that IP address, and can't control the host name assigned to it (the IP address is under the control of AT&T Internet Services (ATTIS), who determine what host name will be used). Then there is: | 12/15/08 14:43:39 dns www1.aosake.net | Mail for www1.aosake.net is handled by reki.aosake.net | Canonical name: aosake.net | Aliases: | www1.aosake.net | Addresses: | 68.126.43.169 But, if you do a DNS lookup on the IP address, you won't get my host name, you get: | 12/15/08 14:29:36 Dns 68.126.43.169 | nslookup 68.126.43.169 | Canonical name: adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net | Addresses: | 68.126.43.169 Which, on reverse lookup yields: | 12/15/08 14:29:43 Dns adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net | Canonical name: adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net | Addresses: | 68.126.43.169 There is no "hanky panky" here. Because AT&T assigns my IP address dynamically, and it will change whenever either AT&T, or I, make a change in the PPP session, I use the services of "Dynamic DNS Network Services, LLC" to keep the domain pointed at whatever IP address is assigned at any given time. It is just one way to keep a web site on the Internet; maybe not the best because malicious characters can do the same thing. But it would more than double my monthly ISP bill (as compared with the low annual fee I pay DynDNS) to have a static IP address from AT&T (but I would be able to get AT&T to changed the reverse name to match my domain record). As far as companies which pay for static IP address assignment, and/or blocks of IP addresses, and/or control their own DNS records: Even they can be compromised by malicious actors, hijacking their domains, or hacking their web sites with malicious intent. The Internet infrastructure, as currently uses, was designed when the Internet was totally under the control of the U.S. Department of Defense, and access was limited, and granted by administrators who jealously guarded the gates, lest they lose their own government granted rights of access. Security was built in to the method used to vet those requesting Internet access; it was, basically, a "need to know" sort of thing. Then along came Al Gore ... -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? In line "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message news:jitzc2ekqrg2$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...<span style="color:blue"> > > Dave, this is pretty annoying; posting your reply after a sig > separator, > which causes a proper news reader to trim the quote, instead of mark > it as a > quote. In fact, your post makes it appear not to be your post at all.</span> Do I take it that by 'sig separator' you mean '--'? I think you do - I started putting same in posts because I interpreted advice from someone else as meaning that I should! There surely must be some written guidlines somewhere on the why's and wherefore's of posting styles. I may have read same once, but the significance of the points you have raised have never really registered. I am really sorry to have annoyed you - it is not intentional. <span style="color:blue"> > > On to business ... ><span style="color:green"> >> Just a silly idea of mine in view of the fact that the authenticity >> of >> the URL seemed questionable, viz:- >> >> Reverse DNS authenticity: Could be forged: hostname >> 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk. does not exist >> >> Perhaps you should ask Peter Foldes (who first posted the URL) what >> might happen if someone were to visit that site.</span> > > Nothing. I've been there.</span> How can you be SO sure of that Norman? Two phrases to be found in the Sophos article I posted today: http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/art...eat-report.html ""People need to wake up to the reality that the completely legitimate website they are visiting could be harbouring a dangerous malware infection planted by hackers."" and ............. "Internet attacks are overwhelmingly orchestrated via networks of innocent home computers that have - UNKNOWN TO THEIR OWNERS - been commandeered by hackers." <span style="color:blue"> > The "could be forged: hostname does not exist" is > not something Peter can control; he does not own that IP address. It > is a > flaw in the way that 'kdd.net.hk' has set up their IP address host > names, > nothing more. I've noticed that the APNIC ISPs tend to set up dynamic > hosts > in unusual, and unexpected ways. I am not conversant in the > requirements of > the RFCs, but I don't think an ISP is required to provide more than > a > generic 'in-addr.arpa' pointer for a dynamically assigned IP address, > thus: > > | 12/15/08 14:28:20 dig 202.177.16.121 @ 68.94.156.1 > | Dig 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa@68.94.156.1 ... > | Non-authoritative answer > | Recursive queries supported by this server > | Query for 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa type=255 class=1 > | 121.16.177.202.in-addr.arpa PTR (Pointer) > 202-177-16-121.kdd.net.hk > > Now, see what you can make of these: > > | 12/15/08 14:29:23 dns aosake.net > | Mail for aosake.net is handled by reki.aosake.net > | Canonical name: aosake.net > | Addresses: > | 68.126.43.169 > > That is a vanity domain, though I prefer to think of it as a "hobby" > domain. > I pay to use it. But I don't own that IP address, and can't control > the host > name assigned to it (the IP address is under the control of AT&T > Internet > Services (ATTIS), who determine what host name will be used). > > Then there is: > > | 12/15/08 14:43:39 dns www1.aosake.net > | Mail for www1.aosake.net is handled by reki.aosake.net > | Canonical name: aosake.net > | Aliases: > | www1.aosake.net > | Addresses: > | 68.126.43.169 > > But, if you do a DNS lookup on the IP address, you won't get my host > name, > you get: > > | 12/15/08 14:29:36 Dns 68.126.43.169 > | nslookup 68.126.43.169 > | Canonical name: adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net > | Addresses: > | 68.126.43.169 > > Which, on reverse lookup yields: > > | 12/15/08 14:29:43 Dns adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net > | Canonical name: adsl-68-126-43-169.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net > | Addresses: > | 68.126.43.169 > > There is no "hanky panky" here. Because AT&T assigns my IP address > dynamically, and it will change whenever either AT&T, or I, make a > change in > the PPP session, I use the services of "Dynamic DNS Network Services, > LLC" > to keep the domain pointed at whatever IP address is assigned at any > given > time. It is just one way to keep a web site on the Internet; maybe not > the > best because malicious characters can do the same thing. But it would > more > than double my monthly ISP bill (as compared with the low annual fee I > pay > DynDNS) to have a static IP address from AT&T (but I would be able to > get > AT&T to changed the reverse name to match my domain record). > > As far as companies which pay for static IP address assignment, and/or > blocks of IP addresses, and/or control their own DNS records: Even > they can > be compromised by malicious actors, hijacking their domains, or > hacking > their web sites with malicious intent. > > The Internet infrastructure, as currently uses, was designed when the > Internet was totally under the control of the U.S. Department of > Defense, > and access was limited, and granted by administrators who jealously > guarded > the gates, lest they lose their own government granted rights of > access. > Security was built in to the method used to vet those requesting > Internet > access; it was, basically, a "need to know" sort of thing.</span> This is all very interesting information, Norman, and I thank you yet again for taking the time and trouble to help me learn. I have been jousting with Peter Foldes both here and Annexcafe for over two and a half years now. I think you are working on the premise that he's one of the good guys. I believe that to be a false premise and I do NOT trust him and/or his organisation. <span style="color:blue"> > Then along came Al Gore ...</span> Al Gore? .......... Say no more! Dave Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message news:C7E8002E-6EE6-4EEE-942A-ED5BC6C2DCB9@microsoft.com... That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. -- Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 - http://explosion.debug-inc.com - educability@gmail.com A Usenet sig should be no more than 5 lines... your is 7. Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message news:gi5jnq$kmv$3@news.motzarella.org... <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> >> Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines.</span> > > Just curious, what difference does it make? Do get off being a net cop or > what?</span> Same difference as doing 90 mph in a 50 mph zone, or scrawling graffiti in the local shopping centre. Someone made a law against it and we should stick to it. Without laws we become a lawless society. Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Andrew Taylor wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message > news:gi5jnq$kmv$3@news.motzarella.org... > <span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> Now you could remove the unnecessary spaces between the lines.</span> >> Just curious, what difference does it make? Do get off being a net cop or >> what?</span> > > Same difference as doing 90 mph in a 50 mph zone, or scrawling graffiti in > the local shopping centre. Someone made a law against it and we should stick > to it. Without laws we become a lawless society. > > </span> There's no law on how to craft a signature. Got any more lame analogies? Laws, btw, usually get changed because people break them. The more people that break a law, the better the chances are that the law will be repealed. An example was the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution. Alias Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? Andrew Taylor wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message news:C7E8002E-6EE6-4EEE-942A-ED5BC6C2DCB9@microsoft.com... > That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. > > -- > > Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache > > OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 > > - http://explosion.debug-inc.com > - educability@gmail.com > > > A Usenet sig should be no more than 5 lines... your is 7.</span> Who says? And, pray tell, how will they enforce it? Alias Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message news:gi855d$uhv$2@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > Andrew Taylor wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:C7E8002E-6EE6-4EEE-942A-ED5BC6C2DCB9@microsoft.com... >> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I >> just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. Although, >> if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your job. >> >> -- >> >> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache >> >> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 >> >> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com >> - educability@gmail.com >> >> >> A Usenet sig should be no more than 5 lines... your is 7.</span> > > Who says? And, pray tell, how will they enforce it? > > Alias</span> If you make posts like that, Alias, the regulars here will think YOU are really ME ........ and that I've changed my name/address again! hahaha style_emoticons/ You and I know the truth - but no-one else can possibly know for sure, can they? Andrew, btw, is one of the good guys IMO (but I could just be wrong!) Dave Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message news:gi8agn$s4i$1@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > ~BD~ wrote:<span style="color:green"> >> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message >> news:gi855d$uhv$2@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:darkred"> >>> Andrew Taylor wrote: >>>> "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:C7E8002E-6EE6-4EEE-942A-ED5BC6C2DCB9@microsoft.com... >>>> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I >>>> just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. >>>> Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your >>>> job. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache >>>> >>>> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 >>>> >>>> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com >>>> - educability@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> A Usenet sig should be no more than 5 lines... your is 7. >>> Who says? And, pray tell, how will they enforce it? >>> >>> Alias</span> >> >> >> If you make posts like that, Alias, the regulars here will think YOU >> are really ME ........ and that I've changed my name/address again! >> hahaha style_emoticons/ >> >> You and I know the truth - but no-one else can possibly know for >> sure, can they? >> >> Andrew, btw, is one of the good guys IMO (but I could just be wrong!) >> >> Dave</span> > > I have little use for self appointed Usenet cops. > > Alias</span> Ooops! Regardless, you helped me before, Alias - I don't forget! Thanks. Any chance you could take a look here 'microsoft.public.security.homeusers' at my thread entitled 'Tracing an IP address' - Perhaps I should tell you that the IP addresses are not chosen randomly. Dave Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? ~BD~ wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message > news:gi8agn$s4i$1@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:green"> >> ~BD~ wrote:<span style="color:darkred"> >>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message >>> news:gi855d$uhv$2@news.motzarella.org... >>>> Andrew Taylor wrote: >>>>> "Colton" <educability@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:C7E8002E-6EE6-4EEE-942A-ED5BC6C2DCB9@microsoft.com... >>>>> That was earlier when I was attempting to fix my signature, as I >>>>> just reformatted this computer to Windows Vista last night. >>>>> Although, if you're here to critique signatures; you've done your >>>>> job. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Colton, PHP/VB6/HTML/CSS/Javscript/IIS/Apache >>>>> >>>>> OS: Vista Home Premium x86 SP1 >>>>> >>>>> - http://explosion.debug-inc.com >>>>> - educability@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A Usenet sig should be no more than 5 lines... your is 7. >>>> Who says? And, pray tell, how will they enforce it? >>>> >>>> Alias >>> >>> If you make posts like that, Alias, the regulars here will think YOU >>> are really ME ........ and that I've changed my name/address again! >>> hahaha style_emoticons/ >>> >>> You and I know the truth - but no-one else can possibly know for >>> sure, can they? >>> >>> Andrew, btw, is one of the good guys IMO (but I could just be wrong!) >>> >>> Dave</span> >> I have little use for self appointed Usenet cops. >> >> Alias</span> > > > Ooops! Regardless, you helped me before, Alias - I don't forget! Thanks. > > Any chance you could take a look here > 'microsoft.public.security.homeusers' at my thread entitled 'Tracing an > IP address' - Perhaps I should tell you that the IP addresses are not > chosen randomly. > > Dave > > </span> I went there but it wasn't very interesting so I unsubscribed. As I use Linux for most things, security isn't really a concern. Alias Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.ubunturocks> wrote in message news:gi8vs8$d40$2@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> Ooops! Regardless, you helped me before, Alias - I don't forget! >> Thanks. >> >> Any chance you could take a look here >> 'microsoft.public.security.homeusers' at my thread entitled 'Tracing >> an IP address' - Perhaps I should tell you that the IP addresses are >> not chosen randomly. >> >> Dave</span> > > I went there but it wasn't very interesting so I unsubscribed. As I > use Linux for most things, security isn't really a concern. > > Alias</span> I really appreciate that, Alias - even though you found nothing of interest. Thank you. Maybe PABear will explain to someone like you why he thinks I'm special. He has often said "Please don't feed the trolls...especially /that/ troll". Have you ever visited Aumha (Robear's home territory) and challenged anyone to a duel over technical matters? You might find that interesting!! Dave Quote
Guest Alias Posted December 16, 2008 Posted December 16, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? ~BD~ wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.ubunturocks> wrote in message > news:gi8vs8$d40$2@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> Ooops! Regardless, you helped me before, Alias - I don't forget! >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Any chance you could take a look here >>> 'microsoft.public.security.homeusers' at my thread entitled 'Tracing >>> an IP address' - Perhaps I should tell you that the IP addresses are >>> not chosen randomly. >>> >>> Dave</span> >> I went there but it wasn't very interesting so I unsubscribed. As I >> use Linux for most things, security isn't really a concern. >> >> Alias</span> > > > I really appreciate that, Alias - even though you found nothing of > interest. Thank you.</span> It might be a good information source if I have to deal with a compromised Windows machine. <span style="color:blue"> > > Maybe PABear will explain to someone like you why he thinks I'm special. > He has often said "Please don't feed the trolls...especially /that/ > troll".</span> I stopped worrying about what people said about me on Usenet way before the turn of the century. <span style="color:blue"> > > Have you ever visited Aumha (Robear's home territory) and challenged > anyone to a duel over technical matters? You might find that > interesting!! > > Dave > > </span> I assume it's moderated. The only forums I visit are on Usenet and not all that many. I used to do it more and on web based forums but I just ain't got that much time or inclination anymore. That said, PABear can come up with some useful copy and pastes every once and awhile and is well informed regarding Windows Updates. Alias Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "Alias" <iamaliasTAKE@gmailTHISOUT.com> wrote in message news:gi8530$uhv$1@news.motzarella.org...<span style="color:blue"> > > There's no law on how to craft a signature. Got any more lame analogies? ></span> But there is, you just don't know it or acknowledge it. The rules for Usenet are under the 'rules' of RFCs. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/ This is just one of the RFCs governing signatures. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html My aim is not to be confrontational, but to educate. Here are the rules http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/posting-rules/part1/ which quote If you have a standard signature you like to append to your articles, and you are running a form of news software that supports automatic inclusion of a signature file, it is usually enabled by putting it in a file called .signature in your home directory. The posting software you use should automatically append it to your article. Please keep your signatures concise, as people do not appreciate seeing lengthy signatures, nor paying the phone bills to repeatedly transmit them. 2 or 3 lines are usually plenty. Sometimes it is also appropriate to add another line or two for addresses on other major networks where you can be reached (e.g., CompuServ, Bitnet). Long signatures are definitely frowned upon. DO NOT include drawings, pictures, maps, or other graphics in your signature -- it is not the appropriate place for such material and is viewed as rude by other readers. <span style="color:blue"> > Laws, btw, usually get changed because people break them. The more people > that break a law, the better the chances are that the law will be > repealed. An example was the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution. ></span> Great, let's all go down to the mall tomorrow and shoot people. If we all do it, it won't be illegal. Quote
Guest Andrew Taylor Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 Re: Because Re: Why? "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:ee6njF4XJHA.5704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > Andrew, btw, is one of the good guys IMO (but I could just be wrong!)</span> You aren't wrong David. Quote
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