Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OSJH1F7XJHA.4480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > So MS just muddies the waters further with another interface ("seeded" > by MVP posts in the newsgroups): http://answers.microsoft.com <grrr></span> Watch out Robear Dyer or they'll take away your badge! I think Microsoft Answers is a great idea - get people away from this totally unregulated free-for-all known as Newsgroups. I often wonder how many folk who post in Microsoft Communities really understand that they are becoming involved in Usenet and that their post may be displayed across a myriad of servers. Exposed, too, to some who may not have their welfare at heart. My guess is that it will be close to zero. At least in the Microsoft Forums there will be some supervision and moderation. That is a good thing IMO. One may start here: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums...istant/threads/ HTH Dave Quote
Guest N. Miller Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:49:01 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > I think Microsoft Answers is a great idea - get people away from this > totally unregulated free-for-all known as Newsgroups. > > I often wonder how many folk who post in Microsoft Communities really > understand that they are becoming involved in Usenet and that their post > may be displayed across a myriad of servers. Exposed, too, to some who > may not have their welfare at heart. My guess is that it will be close > to zero. > > At least in the Microsoft Forums there will be some supervision and > moderation. That is a good thing IMO.</span> NNTP servers can be moderated; and moderation may not be a good thing. BTW, 'msnews.microsoft.com' is moderated to a limited extent. They do try to keep the spam levels down, and are, generally, pretty good at it. -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message news:12vyalgnxo3n0$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...<span style="color:blue"> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:49:01 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> I think Microsoft Answers is a great idea - get people away from >> this >> totally unregulated free-for-all known as Newsgroups. >> >> I often wonder how many folk who post in Microsoft Communities really >> understand that they are becoming involved in Usenet and that their >> post >> may be displayed across a myriad of servers. Exposed, too, to some >> who >> may not have their welfare at heart. My guess is that it will be >> close >> to zero. >> >> At least in the Microsoft Forums there will be some supervision and >> moderation. That is a good thing IMO.</span> > > NNTP servers can be moderated; and moderation may not be a good thing. > > BTW, 'msnews.microsoft.com' is moderated to a limited extent. They do > try to > keep the spam levels down, and are, generally, pretty good at it. > > -- > Norman > ~Shine, bright morning light, > ~now in the air the spring is coming. > ~Sweet, blowing wind, > ~singing down the hills and valleys.</span> Norman - you said "They do try to keep the spam levels down ... " My response is NOT meant to be confrontational ......... Who, exactly, are the "They" to which you refer? AFAICT, if a post is made from a server other than Microsoft, no-one has any control whatsoever. Anyone may post a link to who-knows-where and no-one is responsible for checking that any 'link' is safe. If I've got this wrong, please tell me. Dave Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:usUBX7GYJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > Who, exactly, are the "They" to which you refer?</span> Sysop's Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:eLqOU1HYJHA.5312@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:usUBX7GYJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... ><span style="color:green"> >> Who, exactly, are the "They" to which you refer?</span> > > Sysop's ></span> Insufficient information, FTR. I looked and found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysop but that isn't really very helpful. Are the Sysop's to which you refer employees of Microsoft? Are they MVP's? Are they paid to do the job? Do they make sure that no links to'bad' sites are posted? Do they remove them if they are found? Someone removes SPAM - I've noticed, but make the Newsgroups safe? I think not . Dave Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 inline "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23ZgPLHIYJHA.6064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message > news:eLqOU1HYJHA.5312@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:usUBX7GYJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >><span style="color:darkred"> >>> Who, exactly, are the "They" to which you refer?</span> >> >> Sysop's >></span> > > Insufficient information, FTR. > > I looked and found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysop but that isn't > really very helpful.</span> Anyone can run a nntp server, and be a sysop. <span style="color:blue"> > Are the Sysop's to which you refer employees of Microsoft?</span> I assume the MS servers are run by someone that Microsoft allows to run them. Whether by subcontract or inhouse. <span style="color:blue"> > Are they MVP's?</span> We're getting into the "who cares" category. <span style="color:blue"> > Are they paid to do the job?</span> Who cares? (we have arrived) <span style="color:blue"> > Do they make sure that no links to'bad' sites are posted?</span> No, they can only control what their server does. They can't "take back" something that already went out to usenet at large (posted through them) but they can remove them from their servers. <span style="color:blue"> > Do they remove them if they are found?</span> I don't know, I have seen some posts disappear from their server, while I still can view them locally. <span style="color:blue"> > Someone removes SPAM - I've noticed, but make the Newsgroups safe? > > I think not .</span> Newsgroups have no central governing body - only protocols. Some have moderators (usually volunteers) to police what their servers offer or allow. Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 From: "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> | I assume the MS servers are run by someone that Microsoft allows to | run them. Whether by subcontract or inhouse. The administration of the MS News Service has been outsourced. Prior to that is was administered by Microsoft personnel such as John Eddy. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest PA Bear [MS MVP] Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 N. Miller wrote: <snip><span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> At least in the Microsoft Forums there will be some supervision and >> moderation. That is a good thing IMO.</span> > > NNTP servers can be moderated; and moderation may not be a good thing...</span> OTOH, moderated forums are a good thing. BD's been banned from several of them (and has been banned by several ISPs, too). Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > BD's been banned from several of them (and has been banned by several > ISPs, too).</span> BD has NEVER been 'banned' by ANY ISP Why, I wonder, does Robear lie - blatantly? He KNOWS that is not true! If he lies - really LIES about this , he cannot be trusted - ever. Dave Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. It can be destroyed in an instant. You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in the two groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - before Christmas. You choose. Dave Quote
Guest N. Miller Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:42:36 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message > news:12vyalgnxo3n0$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...</span> <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:49:01 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:</span></span> <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> I think Microsoft Answers is a great idea - get people away from >>> this totally unregulated free-for-all known as Newsgroups. >>> >>> I often wonder how many folk who post in Microsoft Communities really >>> understand that they are becoming involved in Usenet and that their >>> post may be displayed across a myriad of servers. Exposed, too, to >>> some who may not have their welfare at heart. My guess is that it >>> will be close to zero. >>> >>> At least in the Microsoft Forums there will be some supervision and >>> moderation. That is a good thing IMO.</span></span></span> <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> NNTP servers can be moderated; and moderation may not be a good thing. >> >> BTW, 'msnews.microsoft.com' is moderated to a limited extent. They do >> try to keep the spam levels down, and are, generally, pretty good at it.</span></span> <span style="color:blue"> > Norman - you said "They do try to keep the spam levels down ... " > > My response is NOT meant to be confrontational ......... > > Who, exactly, are the "They" to which you refer?</span> "They" are the administrators of 'msnews.microsoft.com'. They can clean their own feeds of spam; and, because their servers propagate to the other serves, their actions also propagate to the other servers. <span style="color:blue"> > AFAICT, if a post is made from a server other than Microsoft, no-one has > any control whatsoever. Anyone may post a link to who-knows-where and > no-one is responsible for checking that any 'link' is safe. > > If I've got this wrong, please tell me.</span> The administrators of 'msnews.microsoft.com' have the authority to cancel posts in their groups. Their cancels, unlike user cancels, will be honored by other NNTP servers, because they are the authorized administrators of 'msnews.microsoft.com'. -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 17, 2008 Posted December 17, 2008 "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message news:44u0zczro2p7$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...<span style="color:blue"> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:42:36 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:</span> My thanks for your response, Norman. I now request a favour. I have recently posted a message to PABear which I will repeat/paste below. I now realise that as he has 'Killfiled' me he may not actually see my warning to him. I should be grateful if you would use your skills and knowledge of Newsgroups to make sure he does actually see what I have said. Thank you. "A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. It can be destroyed in an instant. You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in the two groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - before Christmas. You choose. Dave " Quote
Guest N. Miller Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:29:48 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message > news:44u0zczro2p7$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...</span> <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"> >> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:42:36 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:</span></span> <span style="color:blue"> > My thanks for your response, Norman. > > I now request a favour. > > I have recently posted a message to PABear which I will repeat/paste > below. I now realise that as he has 'Killfiled' me ...</span> And he has his reasons for doing so (assuming that he actually has). Why should I disturb him any more than I already do? Frankly, I am surprised that he hasn't killfiled me. But it would be rude of me to violate his wishes, don't you think? -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message news:l27zfg4y7fa5.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...<span style="color:blue"> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:29:48 -0000, ~BD~ wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message >> news:44u0zczro2p7$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...</span> ><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:42:36 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:</span></span> ><span style="color:green"> >> My thanks for your response, Norman. >> >> I now request a favour. >> >> I have recently posted a message to PABear which I will repeat/paste >> below. I now realise that as he has 'Killfiled' me ...</span> > > And he has his reasons for doing so (assuming that he actually has). > Why > should I disturb him any more than I already do? Frankly, I am > surprised > that he hasn't killfiled me. But it would be rude of me to violate his > wishes, don't you think? > > -- > Norman > ~Shine, bright morning light, > ~now in the air the spring is coming. > ~Sweet, blowing wind, > ~singing down the hills and valleys.</span> I confess that I am a little surprised by your answer, Norman. Your posts seem absolutely fine to me and I have never questioned your advice or motives. I cannot conceive a circumstance where PABear would wish to killfile you . Rude or not, I feel it only right and proper that someone should warn him of my intentions before I publish to the world that he has LIED - I know that, He knows that ......... and so does Robear Dyer. It is your prerogative to refuse my request, Norman. Maybe, just maybe, someone else will make sure the message gets through to him. Regardless, I'd like you to know that I value the help which you have given to me and I'm confident that many others appreciate your advice too. Thank you. Dave Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 ROFLMAO!!! "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:gic05j$7fn$1@news.motzarella.org... : : "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message : news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : : A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. : : It can be destroyed in an instant. : : You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in the two : groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note : regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - before : Christmas. : : You choose. : : Dave : : Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I've made a booking in my local library and will spend however long it takes to post to every English speaking group. Perhaps you will advise Mr Bear in case he has not yet read my warning. That would be most kind. Dave "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message news:uhFkfdRYJHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > ROFLMAO!!! > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:gic05j$7fn$1@news.motzarella.org... > : > : "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > : news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. > : > : It can be destroyed in an instant. > : > : You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in the > two > : groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note > : regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - before > : Christmas. > : > : You choose. > : > : Dave > : > : > > </span> Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 ROFLMAO even more!! "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:gidkr5$bit$1@news.motzarella.org... : I've made a booking in my local library and will spend however long it : takes to post to every English speaking group. : : Perhaps you will advise Mr Bear in case he has not yet read my warning. : That would be most kind. : : Dave : : : "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message : news:uhFkfdRYJHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > ROFLMAO!!! : > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message : > news:gic05j$7fn$1@news.motzarella.org... : > : : > : "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message : > : news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : > : : > : A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. : > : : > : It can be destroyed in an instant. : > : : > : You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in the : > two : > : groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note : > : regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - before : > : Christmas. : > : : > : You choose. : > : : > : Dave : > : : > : : > : > : : Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Do I take that as a 'Yes' then, Tom? I'm so pleased to bring laughter into your life, though I have absolutely no idea what you find so funny. Dave "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message news:uq8d$nRYJHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > ROFLMAO even more!! > > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > news:gidkr5$bit$1@news.motzarella.org... > : I've made a booking in my local library and will spend however long > it > : takes to post to every English speaking group. > : > : Perhaps you will advise Mr Bear in case he has not yet read my > warning. > : That would be most kind. > : > : Dave > : > : > : "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message > : news:uhFkfdRYJHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > ROFLMAO!!! > : > "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > : > news:gic05j$7fn$1@news.motzarella.org... > : > : > : > : "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > : > : news:OEh6adJYJHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : > : > : > : A good reputation can take years to aquire, Robear Dyer. > : > : > : > : It can be destroyed in an instant. > : > : > : > : You know you have lied. Unless you issue a public apology in > the > : > two > : > : groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note > : > : regarding your dishonesty - on every single Microsoft group - > before > : > : Christmas. > : > : > : > : You choose. > : > : > : > : Dave > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > : > > </span> Quote
Guest Helroy Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 ==> From a foreign land far far away..... ~BD~ scribbled: | Do I take that as a 'Yes' then, Tom? | | I'm so pleased to bring laughter into your life, though I have | absolutely no idea what you find so funny. | | Dave | Maybe because you're a buffoon. style_emoticons/) -- Helroy Quote
Guest David H. Lipman Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> | ROFLMAO even more!! ROFLMAO ^3 ! :-) -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp Quote
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I bet ~Robear is shaking in his boots right now ;-) Tom "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:OSEKrhVYJHA.4480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... : From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> : : | ROFLMAO even more!! : : : ROFLMAO ^3 ! :-) : : : : -- : Dave : http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html : Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp : : Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Wer zuletzt lacht, lacht am besten! style_emoticons/ Dave "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message news:OSEKrhVYJHA.4480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... <span style="color:blue"> > From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> > > | ROFLMAO even more!! > > > ROFLMAO ^3 ! :-) > > > > -- > Dave > http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > > </span> Quote
Guest ~BD~ Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 I'll take that comment as a positive that you have informed him. Thank you, Tom. BD "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message news:eZOYn7VYJHA.2280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> >I bet ~Robear is shaking in his boots right now ;-) > > Tom > "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message > news:OSEKrhVYJHA.4480@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > : From: "Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> > : > : | ROFLMAO even more!! > : > : > : ROFLMAO ^3 ! :-) > : > : > : > : -- > : Dave > : http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html > : Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp > : > : > > </span> Quote
Guest John Eddy Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 On Dec 17, 2:58Â pm, "~BD~" <BoaterD...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > A good reputation can take years to aquire... It can be destroyed in an instant. > Unless you issue a public apology in the two > groups involved here, I will make certain that I publish a note > ... on every single Microsoft group</span> Brilliant. Y'know, posting a spam like that is, in fact, a great way to ruin ones own reputation. You make me wish I was still the NG Admin. I removed one idiot's post when he did the same sort of thing, and it would have been my pleasure to do it to yours too. Quote
Guest Tom F Posted December 18, 2008 Posted December 18, 2008 Dave, Are you a natural ignorant jackass, or do you work at it? Quote
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