Guest doreilley Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 Hi I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows Defender instead. It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it on but now it dosen't want to run at all. If I could get it running is this program good enough for virus and malware etc. or could you recomend something better to use. Dan I am using Vista Home premium. -- doreilley Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com Quote
Guest Victek Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 > Hi<span style="color:blue"> > I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine > but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > Defender instead. It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > on but now it dosen't want to run at all. If I could get it running is > this program good enough for virus and malware etc. or could you > recomend something better to use. > Dan > > I am using Vista Home premium. ></span> Even if you can get it working again Windows Defender only provides spyware protection. You will need an additional antivirus program. If you want a free program you can choose from the big free three; Avira, Avast!, AVG. Quote
Guest Mick Murphy Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 Firstly, uninstall the expired version of Windows Live One Care. And defender is anti-spware. Below is a useful combo of Security Programs to suit Vista: http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html Avast Anti-Virus is XP and Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE, auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer. And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at any one time.. Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one). http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6 is a very good, FREE Anti-Spyware Program. Download, install, update, and immunize your System with it. Then SCAN with it. Update it, and scan your System once a fortnight. http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html SpywareBlaster 4.1 is a non-intrusive, FREE Anti-Spyware Program (no scanning by you!). SpywareBlaster prevents the installation of many so-called spyware, adware and malware programs by disabling the CLSIDs of popular spyware ActiveX controls, and also prevents the installation of any of them via a webpage Update it once a fortnight. http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php Malwarebytes is as the name says, a Malware Remover! For the Free version scroll down their page to either download from Download.com, or Major Geeks.com Download, install, and update. -- Mad Mike "doreilley" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > > Hi > I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine > but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > Defender instead. It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > on but now it dosen't want to run at all. If I could get it running is > this program good enough for virus and malware etc. or could you > recomend something better to use. > Dan > > I am using Vista Home premium. > > > -- > doreilley > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com > > </span> Quote
Guest Jim Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > >Hi >I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine >but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows >Defender instead. It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it >on but now it dosen't want to run at all. If I could get it running is >this program good enough for virus and malware etc. or could you >recomend something better to use. >Dan > >I am using Vista Home premium.</span> Avast a/v ( free ) , ComodoPro free firewall . Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine</span> It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are discontinuing it. <span style="color:blue"> > but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > Defender instead. </span> "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the things Windows Live OneCare did. <span style="color:blue"> > It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > on but now it dosen't want to run at all. </span> That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. <span style="color:blue"> > If I could get it running is > this program good enough for virus and malware etc. </span> No! First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't really make any sense. Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not protect you against viruses. <span style="color:blue"> > or could you > recomend something better to use.</span> A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in essentially three types, and you should have all three: 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but there are also other choices. 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you choose at least two others from the following list (there are all available in free versions): MalwareBytes SuperAntiSpyware Spybot Search & Destroy Spyware Blaster Adaware. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest Cave Man Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, the only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security Center in Vista was AVG. For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient as it seems to work well with Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal tool. The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live Essentials. So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG Free. Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus software. Just my 2 cents. CaveMan "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: > ><span style="color:green"> >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine</span> > > > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are > discontinuing it. > ><span style="color:green"> >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows >> Defender instead.</span> > > > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the > things Windows Live OneCare did. > ><span style="color:green"> >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all.</span> > > > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. > ><span style="color:green"> >> If I could get it running is >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc.</span> > > > No! > > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't > really make any sense. > > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not > protect you against viruses. > ><span style="color:green"> >> or could you >> recomend something better to use.</span> > > > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in > essentially three types, and you should have all three: > > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but > there are also other choices. > > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. > > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all > available in free versions): > > MalwareBytes > SuperAntiSpyware > Spybot Search & Destroy > Spyware Blaster > Adaware. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span> Quote
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 Cave Man wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. > > After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, > the only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security > Center in Vista was AVG. > > For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient as it seems to work well > with Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software > Removal tool. The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows > Live Essentials. > > So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG > Free. Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free > Anti-Virus software. > > Just my 2 cents.</span> Not even 2¢, really. Service Pack 2 for Vista is just starting to enter beta testing; you should not be using it on a production machine, nor does it make any sense whatsoever to base conclusions about future (in several months when SP2 is finally released) behavior on the observations of an early beta version. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. > > After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, the > only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security Center in > Vista was AVG. > > For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient as it seems to work well with > Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal tool. > The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live Essentials. > > So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG Free. > Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus > software. > > Just my 2 cents. > > CaveMan > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley > > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine</span> > > > > > > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective > > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are > > discontinuing it. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > >> Defender instead.</span> > > > > > > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the > > things Windows Live OneCare did. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all.</span> > > > > > > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> If I could get it running is > >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc.</span> > > > > > > No! > > > > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is > > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious > > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. > > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't > > really make any sense. > > > > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not > > protect you against viruses. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> or could you > >> recomend something better to use.</span> > > > > > > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs > > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in > > essentially three types, and you should have all three: > > > > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but > > there are also other choices. > > > > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the > > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but > > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which > > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. > > > > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single > > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run > > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you > > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all > > available in free versions): > > > > MalwareBytes > > SuperAntiSpyware > > Spybot Search & Destroy > > Spyware Blaster > > Adaware. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span></span> -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted December 20, 2008 Posted December 20, 2008 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. > > After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, the > only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security Center in > Vista was AVG. > > For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient</span> Your choice. As I said, I think that in the realm of free programs, Avast is much better, and if you're willing to pay for an anti-virus program, NOD32 is better still. Moreover it is certainly not sufficient to run an anti-virus program, and no anti-spyware programs. <span style="color:blue"> > as it seems to work well with > Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal tool. > The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live Essentials. > > So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG Free. > Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus > software. > > Just my 2 cents. > > CaveMan > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley > > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine</span> > > > > > > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective > > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are > > discontinuing it. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > >> Defender instead.</span> > > > > > > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the > > things Windows Live OneCare did. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all.</span> > > > > > > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> If I could get it running is > >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc.</span> > > > > > > No! > > > > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is > > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious > > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. > > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't > > really make any sense. > > > > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not > > protect you against viruses. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> or could you > >> recomend something better to use.</span> > > > > > > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs > > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in > > essentially three types, and you should have all three: > > > > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but > > there are also other choices. > > > > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the > > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but > > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which > > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. > > > > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single > > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run > > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you > > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all > > available in free versions): > > > > MalwareBytes > > SuperAntiSpyware > > Spybot Search & Destroy > > Spyware Blaster > > Adaware. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span></span> -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest Cave Man Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 Well you folks might be right, but I haven't had a virus for several years. BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware, and I also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be compatible was frowned upon. While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from Microsoft update do? IMHO, free Windows Firewall, free Windows Defender, and free AVG is easier to manage and support than products originally designed for Windows XP, and I only have to download and install 1 program, not download, install and manually update 2 or 3 programs in addition to the free ones that are already in Windows. Isn't that better than having nothing on my computer? What ever happened to K.I.S.S.? "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:qnpqk4h3qhbr9p5ssh11u0ginsd6n0oi0v@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> > wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. >> >> After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, >> the >> only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security Center >> in >> Vista was AVG. >> >> For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient</span> > > > Your choice. As I said, I think that in the realm of free programs, > Avast is much better, and if you're willing to pay for an anti-virus > program, NOD32 is better still. > > Moreover it is certainly not sufficient to run an anti-virus > program, and no anti-spyware programs. > ><span style="color:green"> >> as it seems to work well with >> Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal >> tool. >> The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live >> Essentials. >> >> So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG >> Free. >> Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus >> software. >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> CaveMan >> >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message >> news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley >> > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine >> > >> > >> > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective >> > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are >> > discontinuing it. >> > >> > >> >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows >> >> Defender instead. >> > >> > >> > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the >> > things Windows Live OneCare did. >> > >> > >> >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it >> >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all. >> > >> > >> > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. >> > >> > >> >> If I could get it running is >> >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc. >> > >> > >> > No! >> > >> > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is >> > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious >> > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. >> > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't >> > really make any sense. >> > >> > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not >> > protect you against viruses. >> > >> > >> >> or could you >> >> recomend something better to use. >> > >> > >> > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs >> > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in >> > essentially three types, and you should have all three: >> > >> > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but >> > there are also other choices. >> > >> > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the >> > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but >> > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which >> > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. >> > >> > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single >> > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run >> > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you >> > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all >> > available in free versions): >> > >> > MalwareBytes >> > SuperAntiSpyware >> > Spybot Search & Destroy >> > Spyware Blaster >> > Adaware. >> > >> > -- >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span></span> > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span> Quote
Guest Martin Descartes Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware, and I >also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be >compatible was frowned upon.</span> That's real time antivirus programs, not malware programs. <span style="color:blue"> >While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from >Microsoft update do?</span> It performs a quick malware scan prior to installing new updates. Quote
Guest Cave Man Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 You may wish to Google Malicious Software Removal Tool. According to Microsoft it runs in the background on XP and Vista to monitor for Malware. My original point was that AVG Free, Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal Tool might be sufficient for most home users and that it works for my computers. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe Microsoft would support all but the AVG product. Like I said clean and simple, BUT I NEVER INDICATED THAT IT WAS THE ONLY CHOICE, only an additional option for the person who had OneCare expire. In fact, if you were to replace my reference to AVG Free with OneCare or any Antivirus product in my comments, I believe the comments may still contain technical accuracy. "Martin Descartes" <martypdescartes@yahoo.spamstop.com> wrote in message news:7hmsk458h4gi5jsencela4kug855322cnq@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >>BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware, and I >>also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be >>compatible was frowned upon.</span> > > That's real time antivirus programs, not malware programs. ><span style="color:green"> >>While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from >>Microsoft update do?</span> > > It performs a quick malware scan prior to installing new updates. </span> Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:57:49 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Well you folks might be right, but I haven't had a virus for several years.</span> Good, glad to hear it. But let me make two points: 1. One difference between you and me is that I have never had a virus. And I've been using personal computers since 1987. 2. A statement like "I don't use an anti-virus program and I haven't had a virus..." is like one that says "I don't use a seatbelt in my car, and I've never been hurt in it." You should consider yourself lucky rather than anything else. <span style="color:blue"> > BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware,</span> Yes it is. My list of antispyware below was prefaced with "I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you choose at least two others..." <span style="color:blue"> > and I > also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be > compatible was frowned upon.</span> It's not a matter of being compatible. It's fine to run multiple anti-spyware programs, as long as you don't run them at the same time. Running two or more at once can cause problems because they can conflict with each other. <span style="color:blue"> > While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from > Microsoft update do? </span> It removes some malicious software, and does it automatically. <span style="color:blue"> > IMHO, free Windows Firewall,</span> That's fine. <span style="color:blue"> > free Windows Defender,</span> That's OK, but it's far from the best, and as I said, one isn't sufficient, especially when it's one of the weakest, as Defender is. <span style="color:blue"> > and > free AVG </span> AVG is not one of the better freeware anti-virus programs. Avast (my recommendation) or Avira are both better choices. <span style="color:blue"> > is easier to manage and support than products originally designed > for Windows XP, and I only have to download and install 1 program, not > download, install and manually update 2 or 3 programs in addition to the > free ones that are already in Windows. Isn't that better than having nothing > on my computer? </span> No. I completely disagree with that concept. What's best is what offers you the best protection. And your fears of the difficulties of downloading, installing, and updating are unwarranted. I use one antivirus and about half a dozen anti-spyware programs, and have no problems doing any of this. And keeping them up-to-date takes very little time. <span style="color:blue"> > What ever happened to K.I.S.S.?</span> Nothing. Keeping it simple is still an excellent thing to do. As I just said, your fears of the difficulties are unwarranted. <span style="color:blue"> > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:qnpqk4h3qhbr9p5ssh11u0ginsd6n0oi0v@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. > >> > >> After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista Ultimate, > >> the > >> only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security Center > >> in > >> Vista was AVG. > >> > >> For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient</span> > > > > > > Your choice. As I said, I think that in the realm of free programs, > > Avast is much better, and if you're willing to pay for an anti-virus > > program, NOD32 is better still. > > > > Moreover it is certainly not sufficient to run an anti-virus > > program, and no anti-spyware programs. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> as it seems to work well with > >> Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal > >> tool. > >> The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live > >> Essentials. > >> > >> So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG > >> Free. > >> Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus > >> software. > >> > >> Just my 2 cents. > >> > >> CaveMan > >> > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > >> news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com... > >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley > >> > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine > >> > > >> > > >> > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most effective > >> > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are > >> > discontinuing it. > >> > > >> > > >> >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > >> >> Defender instead. > >> > > >> > > >> > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the > >> > things Windows Live OneCare did. > >> > > >> > > >> >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > >> >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all. > >> > > >> > > >> > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. > >> > > >> > > >> >> If I could get it running is > >> >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc. > >> > > >> > > >> > No! > >> > > >> > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is > >> > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of malicious > >> > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of malware. > >> > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" doesn't > >> > really make any sense. > >> > > >> > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not > >> > protect you against viruses. > >> > > >> > > >> >> or could you > >> >> recomend something better to use. > >> > > >> > > >> > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs > >> > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in > >> > essentially three types, and you should have all three: > >> > > >> > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, but > >> > there are also other choices. > >> > > >> > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the > >> > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, but > >> > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, which > >> > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. > >> > > >> > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single > >> > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run > >> > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you > >> > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all > >> > available in free versions): > >> > > >> > MalwareBytes > >> > SuperAntiSpyware > >> > Spybot Search & Destroy > >> > Spyware Blaster > >> > Adaware. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span> > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span></span> -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest Cave Man Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 Okay you win! Your dick is bigger. BTW, I have used computers since 1985, look up Columbia PC. Perhaps before responding next time, you might take the time to read all the posts, since it's painfully clear, that I never once indicated in any way that I don't use an Antivirus program, so the second point in your latest response may be inaccurate, but I guess not everybody strives for accuracy, when they get personal. One other MAJOR difference between us is that I respect your opinion and invite it as well as others. Yes, even if your opinion is narrow-minded and biased I respect it and you for having it, because I am respectful of others. I personally read the newsgroups to try and learn. You should value all comments even if they differ slightly from yours. Is this a PUBLIC newsgroup, or just your newsgroup? "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:q9osk49hcar1sg5ibn8a2kb0mmnrsgo760@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue"> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:57:49 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> > wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Well you folks might be right, but I haven't had a virus for several >> years.</span> > > > Good, glad to hear it. But let me make two points: > > 1. One difference between you and me is that I have never had a > virus. And I've been using personal computers since 1987. > > 2. A statement like "I don't use an anti-virus program and I haven't > had a virus..." is like one that says "I don't use a seatbelt in my > car, and I've never been hurt in it." You should consider yourself > lucky rather than anything else. > ><span style="color:green"> >> BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware,</span> > > > Yes it is. My list of antispyware below was prefaced with "I recommend > that, in addition to Defender, you choose at least two others..." > ><span style="color:green"> >> and I >> also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be >> compatible was frowned upon.</span> > > > It's not a matter of being compatible. It's fine to run multiple > anti-spyware programs, as long as you don't run them at the same time. > Running two or more at once can cause problems because they can > conflict with each other. > ><span style="color:green"> >> While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from >> Microsoft update do?</span> > > > It removes some malicious software, and does it automatically. > ><span style="color:green"> >> IMHO, free Windows Firewall,</span> > > > That's fine. > ><span style="color:green"> >> free Windows Defender,</span> > > > That's OK, but it's far from the best, and as I said, one isn't > sufficient, especially when it's one of the weakest, as Defender is. > ><span style="color:green"> >> and >> free AVG</span> > > > AVG is not one of the better freeware anti-virus programs. Avast (my > recommendation) or Avira are both better choices. > ><span style="color:green"> >> is easier to manage and support than products originally designed >> for Windows XP, and I only have to download and install 1 program, not >> download, install and manually update 2 or 3 programs in addition to the >> free ones that are already in Windows. Isn't that better than having >> nothing >> on my computer?</span> > > > No. I completely disagree with that concept. What's best is what > offers you the best protection. > > And your fears of the difficulties of downloading, installing, and > updating are unwarranted. I use one antivirus and about half a dozen > anti-spyware programs, and have no problems doing any of this. And > keeping them up-to-date takes very little time. > ><span style="color:green"> >> What ever happened to K.I.S.S.?</span> > > > Nothing. Keeping it simple is still an excellent thing to do. As I > just said, your fears of the difficulties are unwarranted. > ><span style="color:green"> >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message >> news:qnpqk4h3qhbr9p5ssh11u0ginsd6n0oi0v@4ax.com...<span style="color:darkred"> >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. >> >> >> >> After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista >> >> Ultimate, >> >> the >> >> only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security >> >> Center >> >> in >> >> Vista was AVG. >> >> >> >> For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient >> > >> > >> > Your choice. As I said, I think that in the realm of free programs, >> > Avast is much better, and if you're willing to pay for an anti-virus >> > program, NOD32 is better still. >> > >> > Moreover it is certainly not sufficient to run an anti-virus >> > program, and no anti-spyware programs. >> > >> > >> >> as it seems to work well with >> >> Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal >> >> tool. >> >> The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live >> >> Essentials. >> >> >> >> So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG >> >> Free. >> >> Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus >> >> software. >> >> >> >> Just my 2 cents. >> >> >> >> CaveMan >> >> >> >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message >> >> news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com... >> >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley >> >> > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked >> >> >> fine >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most >> >> > effective >> >> > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are >> >> > discontinuing it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using >> >> >> Windows >> >> >> Defender instead. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the >> >> > things Windows Live OneCare did. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it >> >> >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> If I could get it running is >> >> >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > No! >> >> > >> >> > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is >> >> > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of >> >> > malicious >> >> > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of >> >> > malware. >> >> > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" >> >> > doesn't >> >> > really make any sense. >> >> > >> >> > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not >> >> > protect you against viruses. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> or could you >> >> >> recomend something better to use. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs >> >> > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in >> >> > essentially three types, and you should have all three: >> >> > >> >> > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, >> >> > but >> >> > there are also other choices. >> >> > >> >> > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the >> >> > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, >> >> > but >> >> > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, >> >> > which >> >> > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. >> >> > >> >> > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single >> >> > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run >> >> > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you >> >> > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all >> >> > available in free versions): >> >> > >> >> > MalwareBytes >> >> > SuperAntiSpyware >> >> > Spybot Search & Destroy >> >> > Spyware Blaster >> >> > Adaware. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience >> >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup >> > >> > -- >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span></span> > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span> Quote
Guest Victek Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 > BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware, and I <span style="color:blue"> > also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be > compatible was frowned upon. ></span> For the record, it is generally true that you should not have more then one anti-"VIRUS" installed at a time. During installation antivirus programs will actually check to see if another antivirus is already present on the PC. If so the new program will warn the user and the install will usually abort. Antivirus with resident protection is designed to run exclusively. This is not generally true for anti-"SPYWARE". Antispyware programs can often be configured for "on demand" use, meaning they don't have a resident component to potentially conflict with other resident security applications. Even with resident protection enabled it is often possible to have more then one antispyware program installed and have them get along, but you have to do your homework - some get along and others don't. Regarding K.I.S.S. (keep it simple Sergio), programs with a resident component generally update automatically. On-Demand applications only need to be updated right before you want to use them. In fact one of my criteria for choosing a security app is the auto-update feature is reliable. If I can't trust it I don't want it. So, if you have a few well behave applications that update automatically the result is pretty simple. By the way AVG does not have the most reliable auto-update component in my experience. Cheers! Quote
Guest John Barnett MVP Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 Windows Live OneCare is useless and always has been useless. Microsoft have now seen the error of their ways and have now discontinued it. Windows defender is a spyware application 'not' anti virus; you still need anti virus software on your machine because you are not protected. Uninstall OneCare and the copy of Windows defender already installed with Vista will be re-enabled (OneCare turns it off so it can use its web based version.) Next download the free version of AVG Anti Virus and install that on your PC (http://free.avg.com/ ) -- -- John Barnett MVP Windows XP Associate Expert Windows Desktop Experience Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this mail/post.. "doreilley" <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in message news:doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > Hi > I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked fine > but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using Windows > Defender instead. It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > on but now it dosen't want to run at all. If I could get it running is > this program good enough for virus and malware etc. or could you > recomend something better to use. > Dan > > I am using Vista Home premium. > > > -- > doreilley > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com > </span> Quote
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted December 21, 2008 Posted December 21, 2008 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:30:37 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Okay you win! Your dick is bigger. BTW, I have used computers since 1985, > look up Columbia PC.</span> I'm not interested in comparing our experience, but I've been using computers (but not personal computers) since way before then <span style="color:blue"> > Perhaps before responding next time, you might take the time to read all the > posts, since it's painfully clear, that I never once indicated in any way > that I don't use an Antivirus program, so the second point in your latest > response may be inaccurate, but I guess not everybody strives for accuracy, > when they get personal.</span> I have no interest in getting personal, and I always strive for accuracy. However being a human being, I don't always make it to everyplace I strive for. This was one example. I mistook you for someone else who doesn't use antivirus programs in another thread I'm involved with. So I was wrong about that, and my apologies. As I said, "I have no interest in getting personal." My intent is often to rebut points made by someone when I believe that the points are inaccurate. My targets are the points, not the people who made the points. <span style="color:blue"> > One other MAJOR difference between us is that I respect your opinion and > invite it as well as others. Yes, even if your opinion is narrow-minded and > biased I respect it and you for having it, because I am respectful of > others. I personally read the newsgroups to try and learn. You should value > all comments even if they differ slightly from yours.</span> I value comments when they are accurate. I even value them when they put forth opinions that may differ from mine. But I don't value them when they say things that are wrong. Once again, all of my disagreements in this thread are with some of the points you have made, not with you as a person. If I've given you the impression that I've been attacking you personally, in the interests of harmony, I'll offer you my apologies. <span style="color:blue"> > Is this a PUBLIC newsgroup, or just your newsgroup? > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:q9osk49hcar1sg5ibn8a2kb0mmnrsgo760@4ax.com...<span style="color:green"> > > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:57:49 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> Well you folks might be right, but I haven't had a virus for several > >> years.</span> > > > > > > Good, glad to hear it. But let me make two points: > > > > 1. One difference between you and me is that I have never had a > > virus. And I've been using personal computers since 1987. > > > > 2. A statement like "I don't use an anti-virus program and I haven't > > had a virus..." is like one that says "I don't use a seatbelt in my > > car, and I've never been hurt in it." You should consider yourself > > lucky rather than anything else. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware,</span> > > > > > > Yes it is. My list of antispyware below was prefaced with "I recommend > > that, in addition to Defender, you choose at least two others..." > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> and I > >> also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be > >> compatible was frowned upon.</span> > > > > > > It's not a matter of being compatible. It's fine to run multiple > > anti-spyware programs, as long as you don't run them at the same time. > > Running two or more at once can cause problems because they can > > conflict with each other. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> While you're at it, what does the Malicious Software Removal Tool from > >> Microsoft update do?</span> > > > > > > It removes some malicious software, and does it automatically. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> IMHO, free Windows Firewall,</span> > > > > > > That's fine. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> free Windows Defender,</span> > > > > > > That's OK, but it's far from the best, and as I said, one isn't > > sufficient, especially when it's one of the weakest, as Defender is. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> and > >> free AVG</span> > > > > > > AVG is not one of the better freeware anti-virus programs. Avast (my > > recommendation) or Avira are both better choices. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> is easier to manage and support than products originally designed > >> for Windows XP, and I only have to download and install 1 program, not > >> download, install and manually update 2 or 3 programs in addition to the > >> free ones that are already in Windows. Isn't that better than having > >> nothing > >> on my computer?</span> > > > > > > No. I completely disagree with that concept. What's best is what > > offers you the best protection. > > > > And your fears of the difficulties of downloading, installing, and > > updating are unwarranted. I use one antivirus and about half a dozen > > anti-spyware programs, and have no problems doing any of this. And > > keeping them up-to-date takes very little time. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> What ever happened to K.I.S.S.?</span> > > > > > > Nothing. Keeping it simple is still an excellent thing to do. As I > > just said, your fears of the difficulties are unwarranted. > > > ><span style="color:darkred"> > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > >> news:qnpqk4h3qhbr9p5ssh11u0ginsd6n0oi0v@4ax.com... > >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:05:58 -0700, "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> I have used Avira, Avast!, OneCare, and AVG. > >> >> > >> >> After installing and patching Vista Service Pack 2 on my Vista > >> >> Ultimate, > >> >> the > >> >> only program that seemed to communicate properly with the Security > >> >> Center > >> >> in > >> >> Vista was AVG. > >> >> > >> >> For "MOST" home usage, AVG Free is sufficient > >> > > >> > > >> > Your choice. As I said, I think that in the realm of free programs, > >> > Avast is much better, and if you're willing to pay for an anti-virus > >> > program, NOD32 is better still. > >> > > >> > Moreover it is certainly not sufficient to run an anti-virus > >> > program, and no anti-spyware programs. > >> > > >> > > >> >> as it seems to work well with > >> >> Windows Defender, Windows Firewall, and the Malicious Software Removal > >> >> tool. > >> >> The email scanning utility even seems to work with Windows Live > >> >> Essentials. > >> >> > >> >> So if you plan to eventually use Vista with SP2, I would plan on AVG > >> >> Free. > >> >> Within 6 months, Microsoft will be making available free Anti-Virus > >> >> software. > >> >> > >> >> Just my 2 cents. > >> >> > >> >> CaveMan > >> >> > >> >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > >> >> news:sthqk4hqi0aq6htdheldkvh6rpd7u3i1n6@4ax.com... > >> >> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:13:25 +0000, doreilley > >> >> > <doreilley.3kp403@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I was using Windows Live One for virus and security and it worked > >> >> >> fine > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > It may have worked fine, but it was far from being the most > >> >> > effective > >> >> > such program around. Microsoft has even announced that they are > >> >> > discontinuing it. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> but trying to save the $60 I let it expire and had been using > >> >> >> Windows > >> >> >> Defender instead. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "Instead" isn't really the correct word, since it doesn't do all the > >> >> > things Windows Live OneCare did. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> It was working ok at least it came on when I turned it > >> >> >> on but now it dosen't want to run at all. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > That might be an indication that you have a malware infection. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> If I could get it running is > >> >> >> this program good enough for virus and malware etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > No! > >> >> > > >> >> > First of all, a word about the terminology: the term "malware" is > >> >> > short for "malicious software." It refers to all types of > >> >> > malicious > >> >> > software, so viruses, trojans, spyware, etc. are all types of > >> >> > malware. > >> >> > So since viruses are malware, the phrase "virus and malware" > >> >> > doesn't > >> >> > really make any sense. > >> >> > > >> >> > Second, Windows Defender is an anti-spyware program, and does not > >> >> > protect you against viruses. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> or could you > >> >> >> recomend something better to use. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > A single "something" is not what you need. You need several programs > >> >> > to protect you against the various types of malware. They come in > >> >> > essentially three types, and you should have all three: > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. A firewall. If you are running the Windows firewall, that's OK, > >> >> > but > >> >> > there are also other choices. > >> >> > > >> >> > 2. An anti-virus program. The two worst ones are unfortunately the > >> >> > most popular: Norton and McAfee. The best one available is NOD32, > >> >> > but > >> >> > it's not free. If you want to save the money, I recommend Avast, > >> >> > which > >> >> > is free, not quite as good as NOD32, but still very good. > >> >> > > >> >> > 3. At least two anti-spyware programs. The problem is that no single > >> >> > such product is good enough to protect you fully, and you should run > >> >> > two or more of these. I recommend that, in addition to Defender, you > >> >> > choose at least two others from the following list (there are all > >> >> > available in free versions): > >> >> > > >> >> > MalwareBytes > >> >> > SuperAntiSpyware > >> >> > Spybot Search & Destroy > >> >> > Spyware Blaster > >> >> > Adaware. > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > >> >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > >> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span> > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span></span> -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3BECC460-580A-4E37-AD66-EC23FF0FF3E5@microsoft.com... <span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred"> >>>BTW, I thought that Windows Defender (also FREE) was anti-spyware, and I >>>also thought that running any multiple "ANTI" programs, that may not be >>>compatible was frowned upon.</span> >> >> That's real time antivirus programs, not malware programs.</span></span> Real time can be achieved in more than one manner, so more specifically, multiple "on-access" scanners may conflict. Some programs use daemons or "agents" to check for specific things that malware does - in real time - yet there presents no conflict with "on-access" scanners. It doesn't matter which type of malware is being looked for, it is the method used to trigger the scans that may conflict. Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted December 22, 2008 Posted December 22, 2008 "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:36AB6242-C812-4FB4-B0BF-0EBC654B7F33@microsoft.com... <span style="color:blue"> > I have used computers since 1985,</span> I have been "computering" since 1970 and have never had a virus. sort of... I applied the "scriptlet.typelib/Eyedog" patch when I first heard about it, and two days later a lady at Microsoft sent me an e-mail with the kakworm attached. My AV went whoop whoop whoop. ....so I never had the "malware" but my AV did detect malware on my computer once. No, wait. Many times my AV has alerted to malware I knew I had - the opening of the malware file for the resource (icon) also caused an alert. It was annoying at first, but I got used to it. So, in almost thirty-nine years I haven't been infected or infested by malware. <knocks on wood> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Are most products you use designed for Vista or later? I would be surprised if that were true. "Cave Man" <fjmflynn@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:D285D911-D272-45EA-8420-8DF32154B96D@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > > products originally designed for Windows XP</span> Quote
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