Guest Neil Jones Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message. How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings? Thank you in advance. NJ Quote
Guest Norm Raddick Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:49:00 -0500, Neil Jones <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote: <span style="color:blue"> >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific >directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) >from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I >got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System >Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.</span> What specifically are you trying to defrag? Norman -- If people concentrated on the really important things of life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles. Doug Larson Quote
Guest Rick Rogers Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 Hi Neil, Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated prompt. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...<span style="color:blue"> >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific > directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) > from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I > got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System > Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message. > > How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings? > > Thank you in advance. > > NJ </span> Quote
Guest Neil Jones Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 Rick Rogers wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Hi Neil, > > Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the > start menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated > prompt. > </span> Hello Rick, Thank you! This works now. Regards, NJ Quote
Guest Neil Jones Posted December 27, 2008 Posted December 27, 2008 Rick Rogers wrote:<span style="color:blue"> > Hi Neil, > > Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the > start menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated > prompt. > </span> Hello Rick, Thank you! This works now. Regards, NJ Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 You seem to be saying that it is necessary to use "run as administrator" eventhough the account being used is an Administrator. Is my understanding correct? If so then it sure helps to know that it can make a difference to do that. It is not logical of course. I am sorry if I am hijacking this thread, but I think my question is relevant and useful. I have a similar problem that I am researching. I will create a new thread if I don't get my specific problem(s) is (are) not solved. "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message news:uULUW5BaJHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > Hi Neil, > > Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start > menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated prompt. > > -- > Best of Luck, > > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org > My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com > > "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...<span style="color:green"> >>I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific >> directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) >> from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I >> got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System >> Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message. >> >> How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> NJ</span> > </span> Quote
Guest LDM Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Rick, I only came across this Elevated prompt thing myself the other day when being given help troubleshooting another issue. Never heard of it before. Neil, Is Ultimate different from Vista Bus. Ed.? Or is this some sort of special defrag you are doing? I thought all Windows OS had a defrag program. "Rick Rogers" wrote: <span style="color:blue"> > Hi Neil, > > Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start > menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated prompt. > > -- > Best of Luck, > > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ > Windows help - www.rickrogers.org > My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com > > "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...<span style="color:green"> > >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific > > directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) > > from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I > > got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System > > Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message. > > > > How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > NJ </span> > > </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message news:uftp94PbJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > You seem to be saying that it is necessary to use "run as administrator" > eventhough the account being used is an Administrator.</span> In Vista, even the administrator account runs as a limited user account. The administrative level token is available through a consent prompt. This use is similar to that of any other limited privilege account except that the other accounts prompt for credentials rather than just the consent to use those already available via Vista's Admin Approval Mode. Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's AAM is not a security boundary. Quote
Guest Rick Rogers Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Hi, Ultimate has all the features of Business plus the multimedia aspects of the Home versions. Read up on the use of the contig tool here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinte...s/bb897428.aspx -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com "LDM" <LDM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F922578C-C21D-40D9-8D0C-88A7303F353A@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue"> > Rick, > I only came across this Elevated prompt thing myself the other day when > being given help troubleshooting another issue. Never heard of it before. > > Neil, > Is Ultimate different from Vista Bus. Ed.? Or is this some sort of special > defrag you are doing? I thought all Windows OS had a defrag program. > > > "Rick Rogers" wrote: ><span style="color:green"> >> Hi Neil, >> >> Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start >> menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated >> prompt. >> >> -- >> Best of Luck, >> >> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ >> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org >> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com >> >> "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in >> message >> news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...<span style="color:darkred"> >> >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific >> > directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset) >> > from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I >> > got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System >> > Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message. >> > >> > How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper >> > settings? >> > >> > Thank you in advance. >> > >> > NJ</span> >> >> </span></span> Quote
Guest Sam Hobbs Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > This use is similar to that of any other limited > privilege account</span> It is substantially different from the way security works in previous versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread earlier today. <span style="color:blue"> > Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account > for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's > AAM is not a security boundary.</span> It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage; period, end of advice. Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by violation of that excellent policy. I support use of limited accounts for everyday usage and have complied with that advice since my first use of NT, eventhough I am a developer and the only user of my systems. This Vista security stuff evidently is the result of Microsoft not emphasizing and supporting use of limited accounts in the past. Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2007.06.uac.aspx "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message news:uvSo%23oUbJHA.1704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message > news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> This use is similar to that of any other limited >> privilege account</span> > > It is substantially different from the way security works in previous > versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread > earlier today. ><span style="color:green"> >> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account >> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's >> AAM is not a security boundary.</span> > > It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage; > period, end of advice. > > Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by > violation of that excellent policy. I support use of limited accounts for > everyday usage and have complied with that advice since my first use of > NT, eventhough I am a developer and the only user of my systems. This > Vista security stuff evidently is the result of Microsoft not emphasizing > and supporting use of limited accounts in the past. </span> Quote
Guest FromTheRafters Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 "Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message news:uvSo%23oUbJHA.1704@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue"> > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message > news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...<span style="color:green"> >> >> This use is similar to that of any other limited >> privilege account</span> > > It is substantially different from the way security works in previous > versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread > earlier today. ><span style="color:green"> >> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account >> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's >> AAM is not a security boundary.</span> > > It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage; > period, end of advice.</span> So say you... But Vista installs and hides and disables that account and gives you a limited account that you think is Administrator -but really isn't. That way most people won't actually be using the full admin account even though they think they are. Still, one shouldn't be fooled into thinking it is OK to use this 'not really admin' account as an everyday account because it may be possible to get around the consent prompt and make it act more like the real adimin account. <span style="color:blue"> > Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by > violation of that excellent policy.</span> Indeed, the default condition for an XP install seems to be single user full admin. Vista's default is different while allowing the user to believe they are the only and highest privileged account. <span style="color:blue"> > I support use of limited accounts for everyday usage and have complied > with that advice since my first use of NT, eventhough I am a developer and > the only user of my systems. This Vista security stuff evidently is the > result of Microsoft not emphasizing and supporting use of limited accounts > in the past.</span> Yeah, Vista is less lenient in this regard - and I hear the next OS will be even less so. Quote
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